I dont think the servers are "light".... Its hard to find a good place to lv up without KSers. Cities are overcrowded with shops (i get a LOT of lag at Aden... cuz that)
I think NCwest even must open 1 o 2 more servers, A lot of L2 private servers close and the servers population grow every day....
Also need a server with a better PING for South American Players... (i cant play without batleping cuz the delay...) and improve the customers services ( i fell likes theres NO SUPORT AT ALL in this game and theres a LOT of BOTS especilly at nigths....). Some spanish support could be nice -.- ...
they need to advertise like wow to get fresh blood into the game since it is free it should be able to attract hundreds of thousands of new players simply by few million per month advertisments which will pay 10 fold in the long run if done correctly.. but ncwest doesnt learn.. ;)
They changed the server status thingy
You would know that if u read maintenance notes
Id guess that it would go normal at 4k and heavy at 6k, but thats just a guess
Wait for siege weekends and we will see if servers go heavy
(its the only time both Euro and US is on at same time, the whole time)The old cap used to be 6k. Right now about 4.1k people are on chronos which is listed as "normal". While that is a decent amount it's still over 1k lower then what the average population was this time of the week last month.
I think the game has changed too much, it's lost it's identity. Players no longer see class progression, instead they are reduced to being the same as other mages or other daggers for example.
There is no longer a sense of acomplishment because everything is given. The first 84 levels of gameplay are rushed, class change quests are a joke, all those areas worth exploring between towns, at least once are ignored completely by the main quest chain.
When players hit 86 there is a massive xp wall because NC suddenly stops babying you with mentor buffs. Vitality suddenly depletes in 40 minutes too & your stuck shelling out money in the cash shop. There are only 3 areas to level in, mostly dailies for the chance at more free gear handouts (top r grade weapon no less). You immediatly question if it's worth the investment in time to move forward, this is where most players leave the game. I feel sorry for the newbies as they really never experienced Lineage 2, they just see an empty shell.
I remember a time when l2 was all about the effort you put into it, walking around with your hard earned gear & being in the top 10 of your class, even **** talking on the forums etc. Now it's such a generic mess. I would rather remember the game for what it used to be then be a part of what it has become, generic.
The server population and trends have not changed, but as some one mentioned here, and as was posted in the maintenance notice, the method for calculating server population on the server selection screen has changed. It is now adjusted to reflect population by % of server capacity, which is more accurate for the values of Light, Normal and Heavy.
Sace is there any plan to advertise the game so that it grows in a serious nature? I personally think ncsofts new model is great for the game if they can find ways to make the pile of money without unbalancing the gameplay. The new bewr system is better then the original get 1 per pack setup. Advertise, thats what League of legends did.. now look at them.. 300x the playerbase of lineage2.. wow does it all the time.. still growing after 7 years of existance.. ncsoft.. no advertisment.. game barely serviving a year ago.. now its 5x better then it was.. but could be 30x.. lineage2 is a better game arguably then the rest of them out there!
i think the game has changed too much, it's lost it's identity. Players no longer see class progression, instead they are reduced to being the same as other mages or other daggers for example.
There is no longer a sense of acomplishment because everything is given. The first 84 levels of gameplay are rushed, class change quests are a joke, all those areas worth exploring between towns, at least once are ignored completely by the main quest chain.
When players hit 86 there is a massive xp wall because nc suddenly stops babying you with mentor buffs. Vitality suddenly depletes in 40 minutes too & your stuck shelling out money in the cash shop. There are only 3 areas to level in, mostly dailies for the chance at more free gear handouts (top r grade weapon no less). You immediatly question if it's worth the investment in time to move forward, this is where most players leave the game. I feel sorry for the newbies as they really never experienced lineage 2, they just see an empty shell.
I remember a time when l2 was all about the effort you put into it, walking around with your hard earned gear & being in the top 10 of your class, even **** talking on the forums etc. Now it's such a generic mess. I would rather remember the game for what it used to be then be a part of what it has become, generic.
Just w8 till TERA, Diablo3, GuildWars2 will hit the L2 Playerbase....
I rly wonder what are the plans of NCWest to counter this. Cos i see a lot of problems coming for them in the next 1-2 months.
Every game, even good one, with lack of support, thousands of bots will die(like it was in previous chronicles).
GoD with its lack of content, an empty shell of L2 like deathcoil said, will die way faster.
With start of new MMOs L2 will be half dead again.
1. You guys always repeat yourself lets go back in the time until 2007 since you say different dooms and lets check what happen, these what you shout out as uber brutal super games and what is with them now:
2008 Spring - Age of Conan - at now dead.
2008 Autumn - Warhammer Online - at now dead.
2009 Autumn - AION - was close to be dead.
2010 Winter - Start Trek Online - dead or the f2p saved it.
2010 Winter - DC Universe - was dead the F2P saved it.
2010 Spring - Mortal Online - dead since it is released.
2010 Summer - any russian wow styled game - was fail.
2011 Winter - SWTOR - peoples already doesn't talk about it.
Now what do you wait peoples?
TERA already showed, that if it isn't a bad game too, but it isn't so good game as much it is overhyped.
Diablo 3 simple overhyped cheap budget game what the peoples just buy, because they are illuminated through the websites, magazines, tv.
Guild Wars 2, may only this game what has the chance to a longer and higher success, but it is far not Lineage 2 styled game.
And if you follow the news of Lineage 2 know, that the L2 will drastically return to the old style.
So if now when these stuffs will release may some peoples will leave the L2 as other currently games for longer or shorter times, but these stuffs will lure them back for sure.
Until for me who won't play with these stuffs just with the Lineage 2 have place and time to farm and be better and better and when these peoples return they will easy target:D:D
I stopped to play because the 86+ grind it's very hard. I'm waiting for double xp/sp event.
Sace said will be occurring after launch GoD, but nothing...
I stopped to play because the 86+ grind it's very hard. I'm waiting for double xp/sp event.
Sace said will be occurring after launch GoD, but nothing...
Comming Soon.... ZzzzZzzz
This game isnt for everyone it seems.
Even casual play you go from 86 to 87 in like a week. Apparently that is way too hard for some ppl to do...
D3 and Tera wont really hit L2 playerbase,GW might a bit but there is still a breakpoint betwen the people who have access to a credit card and people who doesnt,thats why F2P is popular.
Since the last maintenance servers show only numer of players with one box. Bots and dual boxes is removed from server capacity counter.
If player want to login, the server will disconnect one bot to log a player.
If all bots as disconnected the dual boxes will start disconnect.
Result: server will never "normal" or "heavy".
Tera is fake game. AIM bots turn the game in "full automated how to win". D3 is a different play style game, maybe Lineage 1.5 will beat D3.
just a simple fact but Naia & Chronos have atm still way more concurrent users/players logged in then before F2P and when you add the other servers on top of that the game is far from dieing..
worst thing that might happen in the next 2 years is another round of server mergers but with the changes coming in the Tauti & Glory Days updates I doubt this game will die soon cause Korea keeps investing in making the game interesting..
I am not talking about the game dying, it won't because it is very addicting.
I was talking about the NCsoft US staff and their questionable policies that caused the game to be where it is at today. You can argue all you want that other games and lack of content are causing the problem, but that is untrue. It is the staff, their lack of commitment to the game, their lack of attention to detail, and VERY bad track record.
What I would really like to know is if the decisions at the top are still made by the same people that were here when the game started going downhill or if new people are the problem... And I am not talking about community managers, they have no say, I am talking about the people that get together and decide what the L2store should have, what staff to hire and fire, what events to run, what to implement from Korea and what not to, etc. Those people are the problem if they're the same people that cause the game to go down to 2 servers.
I am not talking about the game dying, it won't because it is very addicting.
I was talking about the NCsoft US staff and their questionable policies that caused the game to be where it is at today. You can argue all you want that other games and lack of content are causing the problem, but that is untrue. It is the staff, their lack of commitment to the game, their lack of attention to detail, and VERY bad track record.
What I would really like to know is if the decisions at the top are still made by the same people that were here when the game started going downhill or if new people are the problem... And I am not talking about community managers, they have no say, I am talking about the people that get together and decide what the L2store should have, what staff to hire and fire, what events to run, what to implement from Korea and what not to, etc. Those people are the problem if they're the same people that cause the game to go down to 2 servers.
You say in a way that sounds like the development team sits in their chairs everyday and say "How I can screw this game even more?! Muhahahaha".
I doubt that what they do, they do to piss us off or to make our lives miserable.
Before you put the fault in the development team, remember that NCSoft don't live with charity, they, as any developer, need to get money, lots of it.
Happy faces don’t pay bills, don't buy food and don't give you a home, unless you are a comedian. If they have to take decisions that players do not approve but give then money, they will do so, after all, they are here to gain money, not to lose it. You in their place will do the same thing if you were a business man. This is the cruel business world, a world that not everyone see their perfect world come true.
Since the last maintenance servers show only numer of players with one box. Bots and dual boxes is removed from server capacity counter.
If player want to login, the server will disconnect one bot to log a player.
If all bots as disconnected the dual boxes will start disconnect.
Played a ton from 2005-2007. The level cap was 75 when I started playing. The game has changed dramatically but I am pretty ok with it. I do appreciate a much more focused effort in ridding the server of bots (the reason I originally quit). I haven't hit 85 yet so I am yet to experience the let down, as it were. We'll see how it goes.
Of course 86 to 87 u get in a week playing 24/7...
I was playing 1 hour per day and get lvl 87 17% in two week.
I'm tired to lvling and lvling and lvling forever...
Before harmony yes, more time was needed to invest on 85-90 but after harmony 86-87 is possible in one week for casual players since you can get from 2 kartias a total of 8-10% + swamp daily that is 1,5%, and im not counting soa daily + nursery.
And doing kartia solo + group takes less than 2 hours average (counting the time spent finding party).
You say in a way that sounds like the development team sits in their chairs everyday and say "How I can screw this game even more?! Muhahahaha".
I doubt that what they do, they do to piss us off or to make our lives miserable.
Before you put the fault in the development team, remember that NCSoft don't live with charity, they, as any developer, need to get money, lots of it.
Happy faces don’t pay bills, don't buy food and don't give you a home, unless you are a comedian. If they have to take decisions that players do not approve but give then money, they will do so, after all, they are here to gain money, not to lose it. You in their place will do the same thing if you were a business man. This is the cruel business world, a world that not everyone see their perfect world come true.
How do two servers with 1,000 people in them pay the bills? NCsoft has no developers in the US, just bad translators and some people that are average at best at reading code and making a change from 0 to 1.
We are heading towards the same road again, do you not see it? Common, a month ago it was impossible to find places to level without contending for them, now it is back to the same as it was before the server mergers, or at least getting there. Same story. You manage the game badly, you're not only screwing yourself but you're screwing your playerbase too.
They have to stop listening to the people on these forums and start making well thought out, calculated decisions that DO make good business sense.
And definitely get rid of the people making decisions now. There are SO many examples, including l2store, bad events, bannings the servers empty, poor updates, etc.
To be fair, I am not here to agree or disagree with what method they use to manage the game, I am here to explain(or guess) why they do that.
NCSoft don't care about the western world as much they care about Asia, so, pretty much, our playerbase don't have voice to choose what we will get.
Do you think the changes are not well received in Asia? I personally don't know, but, all have me to believe that they loved the changes, and for us, the only thing that we can do is go to another MMO or live with it.
I am honestly doubting that the server trends have not changed now Sace.
You guys have a very serious problem of the level 1->40 script which takes thousands of characters per day from 1->40 to receive 5 million adena. The process takes 5 hours to complete as I understand and with enough accounts and botting subscriptions you can essentially do this thousands of times per month making billions. Just sit and watch TI church.. every few minuets at least one more new character enters that has some stupid name like 129dx2 and finds itself on its way to level 15 before the next 15 minuets are over.
A friend of mine pointed it out a few days ago to me and initially I did not believe him that the traffic is declining. What you guys are actually experiencing is a huge decline in "human" traffic.. and an increase in bot traffic.. and you guys cant seem to tell the difference between the two. The problem with this botting is the damage is already done before you have a chance to ban an account... and its being carried out by the hundreds of thousands of accounts per month.
I believe the solution to this problem is human involvement (You know, more then once every two months).. on a daily basis IP banning the creators of these bots.. and off course watching where the money is going with logging and banning those toons that recieve it also. Heck, you guys thinking exploting spezion is bad, these guys have already made a payload bigger then that in the last few weeks alone. Where is the amazingly active/hateful forum post for them?
I was wondering for quite some time what was driving up the prices on magmeld. This server had almost no adena on it when Dark Vengeance started their about 2 months ago now. I litterly added up the top 200 money makers and it totalled less then 100b adena... with the vast majority of that in the top 50 players.. i figured at that time the net worth of the server was maybe 150 billion including all the other players below the top 200. It seems these days that server has more adena then chronos flowing around as prices for items have become extremely expensive and I know many players with more then 10 billion lieing around in there inventory. Where is all that adena coming from?
Since the last maintenance servers show only numer of players with one box. Bots and dual boxes is removed from server capacity counter.
If player want to login, the server will disconnect one bot to log a player.
If all bots as disconnected the dual boxes will start disconnect.
Result: server will never "normal" or "heavy".
This is complete bull and not in any way true. Lineage II does not have such a system in plave. As always it is a first come first login system, it will not kick a bot to let somebody else log in.
The system does not care if you are a bot, a box or a player since all it knows is that an account is logged in.
No idea where you dreamed up this information but I would love to see or know where you got it.
1. We heard was some technical changes or problem around the traffic counter, this resulted the different results on your monitors. Naia was heavy yesterday too. We will see what will change after the next maintenance.
2. Enough login to your server and you can see EVERYWHERE players so, this is a proof too, that the counter has any problem.
3. If we watch the future of Lineage 2 at NCwest, Tauti and Glory Days updates in the middle of this year what will love the EU/NA community.
End of this year or maybe first days of 2013 new update again with huge contents new Dragon bosses new playable classes and tons of new stuffs.
With this update or the after coming update will come the new engine and with it the cross server raid and cross server war system.
I know, that a lots of peoples just like to come to forum to make dramas and disliking everything before read something.
But should be time to stop these stuffs and focus to real things or just stay in game and play!
just a simple fact but Naia & Chronos have atm still way more concurrent users/players logged in then before F2P and when you add the other servers on top of that the game is far from dieing..That is completely untrue. At this very moment there are 4445 people online in Chronos. That number is 1555 lower then what you typically would see during the early days of free to play.
445 of them are buy/sell/craft shops but even that number is down.
I'm not sure what is going on but the last couple days few if any of our mentors have been online.
Something has caused a chunk of players to leave the game.
Aion going F2P is why. Their servers have seen a healthy influx of rtards shouting "this is not WoW" (obviously ex-L2 players in most cases) and to be completely honest playing Aion makes stomaching L2 even harder. This game is not fun unless you're a masochist.
There are superior options on teh market and the fact that Aion is also free now + a better game and the fact that a level 85 player in L2 no longer equates to months if not years of in-game work means game hopping off of this old game is as easy as ever.
The biggest loss in server population was with what i call the "last drop" that proved this game is not 'free to play' but 'pay to win' a.k.a the power shirts.
After that update in a matter of 2 weeks harnak / soa /gog went from pvp for spot to be able to xp to complete ghost zones ...
The game will not die soon, yes it will loose even more playerbase when D3 will come out but that will not kill it just yet. Ncwest will 100% repeat history and merge the 6 servers into 2 super crowded ones and when those start failing aswell they will merge everything into 1 server only before closing the game down completely. Judging by past experience i would say that the game will survive at least 1-2 years more.
Yes i feel sorry for the new players that come to this game as someone else said, they will quit aftr 86 cuz it seems the grind is too ******ed. And i feel even more bad for the casual player because once he hits 90 he is pretty much ******. without a solid CP only thing u can do is kartia. Forget about POD/Fortuna it takes too much time to make a group, and it will fail anyway without proper players
So in conclusion , yes the population did decrease enormously compared to what we had 1 month ago BUT the game is farm from being dead.
Bot programs not working for few days after maintenance like some maintenances ?
One day at best because there are people who do nothing but work on botting programs. For them it is a source of income so the sooner they get back int game the sooner they can start making money again. :P
That is completely untrue. At this very moment there are 4445 people online in Chronos. That number is 1555 lower then what you typically would see during the early days of free to play.
445 of them are buy/sell/craft shops but even that number is down.
I'm not sure what is going on but the last couple days few if any of our mentors have been online.
Something has caused a chunk of players to leave the game.
I think you should stop talk about unofficial sources. Nobody didn't say, that this site what from you watch the online numbers are right, never nobody didn't say it.
Useless to be so negative all time.
I can say too, that when the cross server war will release in the Lineage 2, It will kill the Tera the D3 or it will kill every MMORPG or it will kill every video games. Yes when release a new game some peoples go play with it some of them stay there some of them return, but come new players too to us.
We all know, that these words far not right.
NC could study from their Item shop mistakes, from their technically mistakes. So, I'm sure, that they won't repeat those mistakes what they did before.
Also it is normal, that after some months disappear the "new content feeling" so some peoples stop to play or play less at before.
Peoples please most of the new game loose its 80% of population after 2 months.
Now on our servers decreased the online population with about 15% while we can see the fact, that a lots of bot got bann too.
I can say too, that when the cross server war will release in the Lineage 2, It will kill the Tera the D3 or it will kill every MMORPG or it will kill every video games. Yes when release a new game some peoples go play with it some of them stay there some of them return, but come new players too to us.
You are dreaming, Lineage II is 8 years old and frankly the content, in my opinoin, has gone downhill to be replaced by nothing more than leveling to 85 as quickly as possibile. L2 will never be able to kill Tera, D3 or most new nline MMORPG's because unlike L2 they offer updated features, better gameplay and a fresh look at modern online gaming.
That website that display the online count is accurate and has been since it was created, you are just mad because the numbers have dropped. If you do not want to believe then it is your problem, the brainless leveling to 85 is one of the reasons I left to play on the Korean servers.. there is no more enjoyment in the game and since I do not PvP the game has become pointless to play for me here.
Population has dropped considerably and I noticed it when I logged into Chronos a few days ago and went to Giran; there are 1/3 of the original playershops around and the decrease is NOT caused by the auction house. All I see are bots, multiboxing groups and lots of adena selling ads being accounced in towns. I quit reporting violaters a long time ago because banning them does nothing to help, bots just generate a new IP and account and start again.
L2 won't die anytime soon, but it is slowly going downhill and I would not be surprised to see server merges in the near future.
You are dreaming, Lineage II is 8 years old and frankly the content, in my opinoin, has gone downhill to be replaced by nothing more than leveling to 85 as quickly as possibile. L2 will never be able to kill Tera, D3 or most new nline MMORPG's because unlike L2 they offer updated features, better gameplay and a fresh look at modern online gaming.
I know it won't do it, I told "it can". At the MMORPGs never important the age or the graphic.
If you watch the Tera never could step before the Lineage 1 on the Korean ranklist. Also tera always in match with the Lineage 2.
Also It isn't right, that they offer updated features. In the Tera the questing is like in the WoW or anywhere else and just because you targeting something with a cross and not with the mouse clicks it isn't a new feature or updated, simply a different what isnt better isnt worse, just different.
About the D3 useless talk it is a budget game, a normal person wouldn't pay for it more 4-5 Dollars. Diablo didn't chance since 1997 nothing.
I'm not mad, because the online numbers decreased, it was well known, that It will, but It will can increase again.
Every game drops the online numbers after some months, as will happen at the Tera and D3 too or better to say was happened at the Tera in Korea.
The problem is that the "prettiness" of GoD has worn off and players want something new to play and L2 is not giving it to them. With all the new games coming out players want to move onto new games. L2 is 8 years old and players are tired of the lack of intersting content and the poorly managed staff.
I love L2 but in the last few months I have sen too many things go wrong with NCWest and their handling of the game. The current problem with geodata and moving shows they do not really know what they are doing.
If updates didn't take so long to reach NA a lot of this could be avoided..tauti/glory days has a lot of updates post 85 but our players want the content now and are not willing to wait months so that this daily monotonous game gets some content.
I think you should stop talk about unofficial sources. Nobody didn't say, that this site what from you watch the online numbers are right, never nobody didn't say it.
Useless to be so negative all time.
I can say too, that when the cross server war will release in the Lineage 2, It will kill the Tera the D3 or it will kill every MMORPG or it will kill every video games. Yes when release a new game some peoples go play with it some of them stay there some of them return, but come new players too to us.
We all know, that these words far not right.
NC could study from their Item shop mistakes, from their technically mistakes. So, I'm sure, that they won't repeat those mistakes what they did before.
Also it is normal, that after some months disappear the "new content feeling" so some peoples stop to play or play less at before.
Peoples please most of the new game loose its 80% of population after 2 months.
Now on our servers decreased the online population with about 15% while we can see the fact, that a lots of bot got bann too.
I think the population is quite good!I think you should stop trying to use babblefish to post in English because most of your post makes little to no sense.
I'm just telling the truth via cold hard facts. I want this game to succeed and there's no way for it to succeed if you refuse to acknowledge reality. If you want to cover your ears and eyes while pretending everything is just fantastic then that's your prerogative. I have no interest in fueling your delusions though. So I will call out your 80% and 15% as just made up numbers with no basis in reality.
Eeee i saw a full pt of bots yesterday..so they're not shrinked in that manner. Indeed it seemed like the bots adapted pretty quickly and were running around within days of the patch.
L2 won't die anytime soon, but it is slowly going downhill and I would not be surprised to see server merges in the near future. A sad truth. Lineage 2 had a huge influx of players including new people but unfortunately Ncwest fumbled the ball. I think the Tersia's light debacle was the biggest killer of new players though. I know a few people I talked into playing the game quit during that. Right or wrong that single event gave the impression to new players that this game was very badly managed. I know a few veterans who rage quit due to not being able to log in.
D3 is an alright game right now but I cannot see myself spending the money to buy it.
Tera is going to make a big splash but only because it's doing a belly flop into N/A..
I think you should stop trying to use babblefish to post in English because most of your post makes little to no sense.
I'm just telling the truth via cold hard facts. I want this game to succeed and there's no way for it to succeed if you refuse to acknowledge reality. If you want to cover your ears and eyes while pretending everything is just fantastic then that's your prerogative. I have no interest in fueling your delusions though. So I will call out your 80% and 15% as just made up numbers with no basis in reality.
Let's see Shobu, the NCwest really had epic fail technical errors, of course I agree with that and I say too, that they will have to improve their team and yes if they constantly makes technical errors and manage badly the Item Shop will result, that they will loose players.
And yes, It is sure, that a part of players who left the game in the last times left for these issues.
But, the service team made these result and not the game!
Now really you not need make hardcore grind or hardcore questing to get level or gear so the game hasn't real problem, It would need more contents that is right, but it will get (yes it is depend from the service team when we will get the new contents:)).
They can't release so fast every update, because example if they would release the Tauti and Glory Days tomorrow. Maybe we should wait until the end of this year for a new expansion, because it is under developing in Korea too.
The game released in Korea in November of 2003 here in April of 2004. The difference is 5 months so it is the normal if the updates release at us with 5 months later as they released in Korea, so if the Tauti release in January in Korea, than it have to release in June at EU/NA.
We got the Harmony Update with a month closer to GD as the Korean players. So the Harmony arrived to here earlier as it should arrive.
Let's see Shobu, the NCwest really had epic fail technical errors, of course I agree with that and I say too, that they will have to improve their team and yes if they constantly makes technical errors and manage badly the Item Shop will result, that they will loose players.
And yes, It is sure, that a part of players who left the game in the last times left for these issues.
But, the service team made these result and not the game!
Now really you not need make hardcore grind or hardcore questing to get level or gear so the game hasn't real problem, It would need more contents that is right, but it will get (yes it is depend from the service team when we will get the new contents:)).
They can't release so fast every update, because example if they would release the Tauti and Glory Days tomorrow. Maybe we should wait until the end of this year for a new expansion, because it is under developing in Korea too.
The game released in Korea in November of 2003 here in April of 2004. The difference is 5 months so it is the normal if the updates release at us with 5 months later as they released in Korea, so if the Tauti release in January in Korea, than it have to release in June at EU/NA.
We got the Harmony Update with a month closer to GD as the Korean players. So the Harmony arrived to here earlier as it should arrive.They have had 8 years to fix their epic failure of support for this game EIGHT YEARS... This isn't something that has only recently begun.. I played this game in closed beta so I'm well aware of the time frames..
What's really frustrating is sometimes the support can be utterly amazingly good but a lot of the time it's just terribly subpar. My belief is that it's a lack of funding keeping NCwest from properly staffing this game. Those employees that are left are overworked and probably underpaid.
You're wrong. At one time I thought the same but that's not the case. They're not overworked just incompetent. I'm not talking about sace or juji. They do what they're told and there have been plenty of people in their chairs before.
The people that are incompetent are those that make the calls and manage the game. And you can tell it is the same staff because the same patterns repeat over and over. I wish those people would go away so we can have a refresher course in how a game is to be managed by someone else. How many times can you make bad decisions before you realize things are not well,
I think the main problem here with the leadership of the NCwest.
If only the Lineage 2 would have problem from the NC games on the EU/NA area, than we could say that the western L2 staff has the problem.
But same problems has/had the Lineage 1 and AION. While they have different team. So the connection between the L1 L2 and AION and Korea the leadership of the NCwest. They should change on their work to positive way, than everything would be better.
It is also not right, that Korea not interesting about the EU/NA, they kept live the Lineage 1 under 10 years at here, while it had just 2-3 thousands subscribers.
Also they would support the GW2 with so much money if they wouldn't care about the western market. GW totally took much lower incomings than the L1 or L2 or AION.
So, I guess the center of the problem is the NCwest leadership. We almost never see, that their boss would give interview or would talk with us or something. I just saw from him one letter. Under 5 years.
If we really want see this question/issue logically, than I have right.
You're wrong. At one time I thought the same but that's not the case. They're not overworked just incompetent. I'm not talking about sace or juji. They do what they're told and there have been plenty of people in their chairs before.
The people that are incompetent are those that make the calls and manage the game. And you can tell it is the same staff because the same patterns repeat over and over. I wish those people would go away so we can have a refresher course in how a game is to be managed by someone else. How many times can you make bad decisions before you realize things are not well,No I'm not wrong we're just talking about different people. Those that manage this game are not the ones I'm saying are probably overworked and underpaid.
As for leadership... Well the results of AIon and other games under their control speak for themselves. Especially Aion which went from being a Wowkiller to barely floating thanks to rank incompetence at the top.
The biggest loss in server population was with what i call the "last drop" that proved this game is not 'free to play' but 'pay to win' a.k.a the power shirts.
After that update in a matter of 2 weeks harnak / soa /gog went from pvp for spot to be able to xp to complete ghost zones ...
The game will not die soon, yes it will loose even more playerbase when D3 will come out but that will not kill it just yet. Ncwest will 100% repeat history and merge the 6 servers into 2 super crowded ones and when those start failing aswell they will merge everything into 1 server only before closing the game down completely. Judging by past experience i would say that the game will survive at least 1-2 years more.
Yes i feel sorry for the new players that come to this game as someone else said, they will quit aftr 86 cuz it seems the grind is too ******ed. And i feel even more bad for the casual player because once he hits 90 he is pretty much ******. without a solid CP only thing u can do is kartia. Forget about POD/Fortuna it takes too much time to make a group, and it will fail anyway without proper players
So in conclusion , yes the population did decrease enormously compared to what we had 1 month ago BUT the game is farm from being dead.
...man you read my mind...plus i'll give you a personal example,some of my friends quited by the same reasons that I've seen here,first and most common reason is after you hit 86, find a CP or you are dead,because solo farm based areas like old days are done , doing Kartia,SoA or even GoG FOREVER won't make the game unjoyable and spend ages to find a proper party doens't help either,instead, only make even more boring and hard to grind however much they liked their toons and I don't blame them,the game is as it turned out to be ...2nd,their boreness was bearable while they had weekly events, after that they just lost interest...and L2store item issue? It's a joke realy ,all the essence of official server f2p fell over the ground some of us can't tell the difference between this and a private server that has "need for donations"... :/
Some final note,in my opinion i hope they'll start to merge servers soon enougth and keep us distracted until new zone add-ons cuz this will take a while and ppl are impatient
Servers are heavy in weekends
Server pop is fine as it is now and i hope there wont be any server merge this year
Normal is normal, no servers should hit heavy, ever..
Servers are heavy in weekends
Server pop is fine as it is now and i hope there wont be any server merge this year
Normal is normal, no servers should hit heavy, ever..
This is not official servers like it was before,we don't need to keep playing everyday to justify the money that we spend in the end of month,so yes merge will happen if NCwest won't take any mesures soon ,i'm not saying that merging will be soon either,but eventualy will happen...ppl are in need of new contents to justify the time they spend playing here.
There's a lot of things stacked against this game really and there's a lot of valid points. I'll agree that within 1-2 years some servers will be merged with others if not sooner. I've seen things decline slowly like this before. In fact a year ago it did this very same thing then it went free to play.
Who wants to pay $15 a month for an 8 year old game? Only the ones who had been for the last 7 years haha
you mean all the fools that are still paying for WoW?
seems like blizzard is the only gaming company that knows how to make money...
My post wasn't referring to WoW,but that game has advertisement here and good customer support and not to mention updates. You can't even compare that with NC NA because we lack that.
Yea..even here in Portugal we never get ads for mmos, NEVER really. But the past months we got a lot of advertising to WoW on national tv.
I haven't seen anything here in the US on cable about Tera yet. I guess if you're a gamer you follow the market. I don't see PC games advertised as much as console games. Could be where I live or what channels I watch who knows.
I don't understand the people who scream "CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT".
I remember playing L2 back in the day with around 20 great buddies for years, we focused on leveling, sieges, and pvp.
Whats wrong with a beautiful game that gives you an entire world to create your own content?
Before WOW came and dropped the raiding hammer on MMO's a lot of the content was USER CREATED. I.E. you were given the tools and the platform, go enjoy the game however you please.
Now it seems everyone wants a NEW RAID, NEW BOSS, NEW KARTIA, NEW THIS... its rather quite silly especially this:
since I do not PvP the game has become pointless to play for me here.
because and correct me if I'm wrong this game is, and will continue to be a PVP based game. And if you don't think so go search up on the forums and read the developers letter where the developers state " Lineage 2 continues to be a PVP focused game"
hell we spent hours on end picking fights with rival clans, leveling in groups and fighting while server pop flourished. People gained levels for one reason and one reason only, to be the strongest clan on the server, not to down freya the fastest.
so everyone screaming content and raids, go play something else, no one is forcing you to play L2.
THE END.
because and correct me if I'm wrong this game is, and will continue to be a PVP based game. And if you don't think so go search up on the forums and read the developers letter where the developers state " Lineage 2 continues to be a PVP focused game".
It's closed minided people like you who think "This is a PvP game so you MUST PvP". Well, you are 100% incorrect because in the 7+ years I have been playing here only twice have I engaged in any PvP (I don't count sieges).
I do not PvP at all and still I got and equipped 3 characters to level 85, one to level 87 with several others ranging from 60 to 70 without engaging in anything having to do with PvP.
Lineage II is a PvP based game, meaning you do not have to, nor are you required to PvP at any point in the game if you do not choose to. I choose not to PvP and never will, and still for 7+ years I enjoyed the game but now GoD expansion in NA servers is a joke.
It's closed minided people like you who think "This is a PvP game so you MUST PvP". Well, you are 100% incorrect because in the 7+ years I have been playing here only twice have I engaged in any PvP (I don't count sieges).
I do not PvP at all and still I got and equipped 3 characters to level 85, one to level 87 with several others ranging from 60 to 70 without engaging in anything having to do with PvP.
Lineage II is a PvP based game, meaning you do not have to, nor are you required to PvP at any point in the game if you do not choose to. I choose not to PvP and never will, and still for 7+ years I enjoyed the game but now GoD expansion in NA servers is a joke.
but you still fail to realize you're playing a game that mostly revolves around PVP... of course its not going to have as much content as games that revolve around Boss's and Raid Progressions.
that's like me going to pizza pizza (which does serve other things besides pizza) and complaining that they don't have enough chicken options on their menu... well obviously they don't their a pizza place, hundreds of pizza's, 3 chicken choices.
I'm not close minded i just can comprehend things that are put in font of me.
Again no ones telling you not to play the game, just goto a god dam chicken hut instead of complaining about it in this god dam pizza pizza.