I go to swamp to kill lvl 86 mobs. every dead mob gives me 1000 adena, and cost me in 1500 adena in shots to kill it... So how on earth can websites to sell adena for 25 cents per mil (so cheap. huge demand, no supply)? I can only think of one way for these websites to source so much adena, and I cannot say it here cuz it may get me banned...
please also do not tell me these adena from lvl 95 mobs. i go to gog, same stuff: low adena drop and few players.
shortage of adena supply almost killed this game pre-GoD. But now, miraclously, with lower supply of adena from mobs, the L2 economy is filled with adena...
please also do not tell me these adena from lvl 95 mobs. i go to gog, same stuff: low adena drop and few players.
shortage of adena supply almost killed this game pre-GoD. But now, miraclously, with lower supply of adena from mobs, the L2 economy is filled with adena...
The adena from mobs before GOD was ridiculously high. I still don't understand how you are losing adena while xping. Shots are free...
24hr 365day bot groups using no adena for shots tends to make quite a bit money so stop hinting that its NCSoft running the gold farming sites. OR havn't you noticed that those sites sell currencly for all the other games that NCSoft doesn't own.
As I remember if summoner craft pet SS it cost ~3-4 adena per ss. Summons consume 1 ss for hit. If summoner use dps build (bow, melee transform, light set) summons have ~10k p.atk. So summoner dont use more than 50a for mob in solo exp zone.
If you care a lot about adena for ss and adena from mobs - go reroll summoner xd
Summon uses 4 shots per hit...
ANNDDDD YOUR POINT???? Xp loot some R grade drops CRYSTAL it uses your summon soulshots skill. FREE SHOTS OMG O_O Was that so hard?
You can get like 200k shots from the mentee certificates,its not like you waste money for it(you also get like 3kk from lvling a char to 40 lol).Did you forgot daily quests give money? and selling drops to shop aswell? you are going to a solo zone,dont expect huge adena drops.
only bots make money from adena drops from mobs. players make money on whole equipment drops from mobs (1 easy spot that drop apoc weapons and Twilight armor is Gog lower, depending on levels, don't even need a full party for it). for free shots, take 2 hours to level a new alt 1-41 following all the quests, claim mentee cert on main, turn in at mentor guide for 200,000 soulshot or 100,000 spiritshot, profit.
only bots make money from adena drops from mobs. players make money on whole equipment drops from mobs (1 easy spot that drop apoc weapons and Twilight armor is Gog lower, depending on levels, don't even need a full party for it). for free shots, take 2 hours to level a new alt 1-41 following all the quests, claim mentee cert on main, turn in at mentor guide for 200,000 soulshot or 100,000 spiritshot, profit.
I've been so much time on GOG lower, only 1 drop, twilight circlet >< it's more viable if you are duoing because one has to heal all the time (my gear is bleh). I do solo but with a box to heal.
I go to swamp to kill lvl 86 mobs. every dead mob gives me 1000 adena, and cost me in 1500 adena in shots to kill it... So how on earth can websites to sell adena for 25 cents per mil (so cheap. huge demand, no supply)? I can only think of one way for these websites to source so much adena, and I cannot say it here cuz it may get me banned...
adena grind and exp grind are 2 completly different task. Even in the past, when mobs drop 10k adena you dont get rich (or even decent gear) yust by leveling. Thats the reason (for example) why ppl craft soulshots and sell them. There is alot of adena in this game, find your market to grind it from other players .. not from mobs :)
You seriously have no clue about what you are saying lol. Since the game is f2p there are many people playing the market on multiple accounts even on a separate PC lol. Its somewhat easy to make 100m per week without leaving Aden in this chronicle
You seriously have no clue about what you are saying lol. Since the game is f2p there are many people playing the market on multiple accounts
You realize it is impossible to be "playing the market" without someone else FARMING all the adena?
Imagine for a second that all mobs at any level become to drop as much adena as they do at 85+ (i.e. close to zero), and you end up with cashless economy where the only possible kind of trade is barter. Good luck "playing the market" under such conditions lol.
P.S. Gotta love it how every time someone states the obvious regarding the adena farming/ebaying issue (pointing out that a certain number of players have acquired their assets by illegit means), a few idiots immediately pop up saying "no-no-no, you all are clueless, they did it legit, just by playing the market!!!"
I've got a consiperacy theory, wait for it... wait for it... OP has no idea what he's talking about (but really does) and therefore is the mastermind behind LineAge 2.
An easy way to make some adena is just play your character and do the daily quests. They pay decent money. Use the free gear and supplies at path to awakening. There's no instant get rich method. Everything takes some time and effort.
An easy way to make some adena is just play your character and do the daily quests. They pay decent money. Use the free gear and supplies at path to awakening. There's no instant get rich method. Everything takes some time and effort.
I agree, in the old days many would just play their characters and find efficient ways grind out some good Adena. Today you can do the same and those quest all the way up the levels are a great source for Adena. As mentioned it is much cheaper to level a character with free gear and supplies given by the path to awakening system. There are always short cuts and other ways to get easy funds, these ways come with a risk.
There's no instant get rich method. Everything takes some time and effort.
? on the contrary, more bots and more players = more ebayers to buy the bot money and input more adena into the economy, because ppl like to buy adena and then buy all kinds of random crap, which creates a market for smart legits to sell otherwise useless stuff for decent money.
the ONLY time adena drop from mobs mattered to anyone but bots was during double money drop event, when drops actually accumulated noticeably more than usual, enough to actually cover soul shot cost...
well 1 night GOG lower drop apoc weapon and tw robe top for us, so I think it's still worth to grind there if you need money; and we was in trio, gave the weapon to the person who needed it, and sold the robe & shared for 100m each.
You realize it is impossible to be "playing the market" without someone else FARMING all the adena?
Imagine for a second that all mobs at any level become to drop as much adena as they do at 85+ (i.e. close to zero), and you end up with cashless economy where the only possible kind of trade is barter. Good luck "playing the market" under such conditions lol.
P.S. Gotta love it how every time someone states the obvious regarding the adena farming/ebaying issue (pointing out that a certain number of players have acquired their assets by illegit means), a few idiots immediately pop up saying "no-no-no, you all are clueless, they did it legit, just by playing the market!!!"
Sure like lil-ol' drops of mob adena matter to make 100m easily. Secondly open your eyes take a look around shops, if you don't see Legit business oportunities there you seriously need to delete L2 lol.
An easy way to make some adena is just play your character and do the daily quests. They pay decent money. Use the free gear and supplies at path to awakening. There's no instant get rich method. Everything takes some time and effort.
That's one way if people save it. For example, if people did their homework,they have for example the Legendary Tales Quest. Sure many ppl will say that "HAHA ****** S grade weapon, Why would I waste time on that ****?", if they only knew that if you sell the reward to Grocery shop, it gives you nearly 80m :)
I agree, in the old days many would just play their characters and find efficient ways grind out some good Adena. Today you can do the same and those quest all the way up the levels are a great source for Adena. As mentioned it is much cheaper to level a character with free gear and supplies given by the path to awakening system. There are always short cuts and other ways to get easy funds, these ways come with a risk.
Exactly, and if a lot of people explored Aden market, npc shops etc, they'd see that with something little as 5m investment, you can end up in the end of the day with 10, 15m. One example people used to do (they don't because prices went up), was buy R grade crystal for like 9, 10k each, then take those crystals that they bought and sell them to npc shop for 15k.
For those still slow heres an example on what i talked about:
You have 5m to invest, that gives you 500 r grade crystals at 10k each, and if you take those crystals to npc shop he gives you 15k for them, so you end up with 7.5m, aka 2.5m more than what you started.
Easy profit lol
another example I see on shilen is people selling on the auction house Vorpal jewels for 3m, when npc gives 5m.
Now i'm not talking that selling to npc is the most profitable way, but it is one. There are other legit ways to do adena, you just need to open your eyes lol
There are methods combined with other practices while you xp that make you money. Before path to awakening and daily quests players would make money off events or well at least that's what I'd do when there was one. I didn't risk trying to win an item I'd use the event drops to make my money. I'd also buy under priced items and then flip them for more. Doing repeat quests and claiming the rewards to sell was slow,but profitable to save for new gear.
ancient adena/seal stones used to be good for profits when we had the catacombs. There were other things you could do,but it took a lot of time. Now it's so easy it's silly,but makes it fun to play a lowbie.
The easiest way to make adena is make some lvl 85 chars and farm soa/zaken with them. Look before you cry its time consuming I'll tell you its about how fast you wanna achieve something without griding adena or botting like a idiot in solo zones. If you do 5 soa quests per day you might get crystal stones/ewr or a weapon.
Getting a crystal per char = around 4kk
EWR = 14kk
Apo weap = from 40kk to 140kk depends what wep you get
Zaken drops sell fast as well. Bres cost 1,9kk to 2,1kk x 7 or 9 = profit (saying that one of the chars get them) mine do.
Make the math, in 1 month I tuned my main with full attributed twilight and i bought it when main cost 450kk, apo thrower 300, OE AQ, Frint and nice dyes and all this without botting adena like you all think or even trading in aden. If i get a wep drop from soa per week from my 6 alts im happy if not im happy too, crystal stones will make my armor 120 and you will still be with immortal and not even 5x60 crying on forum where adena comes from.
Ofcourse I still grind a couple hours gog daily and ive been lucky few times but thats my effort.
There are many ways to make money.
Also, when you sell something to someone for let's say 500kk the person ur selling it too might be a person like me, who sells things he drops to different individuals. If i sell 20 crystal stones to 20 different people, that's where the aden came from. It is not necessary that 1 person farms 500kk in 1 month of 2 months.
The easiest way to make adena is make some lvl 85 chars and farm soa/zaken with them. Look before you cry its time consuming I'll tell you its about how fast you wanna achieve something without griding adena or botting like a idiot in solo zones. If you do 5 soa quests per day you might get crystal stones/ewr or a weapon.
Getting a crystal per char = around 4kk
EWR = 14kk
Apo weap = from 40kk to 140kk depends what wep you get
Zaken drops sell fast as well. Bres cost 1,9kk to 2,1kk x 7 or 9 = profit (saying that one of the chars get them) mine do.
Make the math, in 1 month I tuned my main with full attributed twilight and i bought it when main cost 450kk, apo thrower 300, OE AQ, Frint and nice dyes and all this without botting adena like you all think or even trading in aden. If i get a wep drop from soa per week from my 6 alts im happy if not im happy too, crystal stones will make my armor 120 and you will still be with immortal and not even 5x60 crying on forum where adena comes from.
Ofcourse I still grind a couple hours gog daily and ive been lucky few times but thats my effort.
There are many ways to make money.
Also, when you sell something to someone for let's say 500kk the person ur selling it too might be a person like me, who sells things he drops to different individuals. If i sell 20 crystal stones to 20 different people, that's where the aden came from. It is not necessary that 1 person farms 500kk in 1 month of 2 months.
Resources are out there.
Your point is valid about how to gear oneself., but i think the issue here is where adena come from, not for how much you can sell and buy from other players. A transaction of items between players do not create or destroy adena, no matter how expensive or cheap is the price you buy/sell an item.
Adena enter in the market only when you pick adena drops from mobs or when you sell an item to npc. For example the EWR that you posted that has a market value of 14kk it has an npc value of 8kk, so the question is where from those extra 6kk come from.
In the new servers there are several items worth several hundred millons (or even 1-2 billon) that are sold continually because the market is flooded with adena that allow players to pay those kind of prices, the OP is wondering how all that adena come into the game. If it was from adenas drops or item drops or maybe some other mysteious mechanism (aka the name of the thread).
I told you people months ago where the adena comes from (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=230830). Farmers don't do parties with no shots, high level farming, whatever. Easiest way, they level an endless stream of characters to 24. Takes about half an hour, they collect 1.5million per character. That's 21 million per hour per 7 accounts. Do they math for per day, and factor in endless free accounts, fully automated, no human interaction needed.
I told you people months ago where the adena comes from (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=230830). Farmers don't do parties with no shots, high level farming, whatever. Easiest way, they level an endless stream of characters to 24. Takes about half an hour, they collect 1.5million per character. That's 21 million per hour per 7 accounts. Do they math for per day, and factor in endless free accounts, fully automated, no human interaction needed.
That should be NC problem and had to react against 3rd pt programms.
But i guess their master plan is to ban the main supplier after he has gather all the 1.24m per day.
But that doesn't stop the 1-24lvl dorfs on TI to appear again.
PS I wonder if that is happening to Korean servers for example. If not, it means that these 1-24lvl dorfs have a whole market of 85 toons who want desperate to buy adena, so they can equip their brand new shiny armor, and feel proud of that.
PS I wonder if that is happening to Korean servers for example. If not, it means that these 1-24lvl dorfs have a whole market of 85 toons who want desperate to buy adena, so they can equip their brand new shiny armor, and feel proud of that.
In korea you have to pay for your acc and afaik you can't box there. And the rules are much more strict. on the other hand, these quests that give money will be deleted on the coming update but dunno if we stil lget rewards at those lvls.
Like many people I made a lot of money by using mentee coins to overenchant bound items and sell the crystals.... usually to the NPCs.
Here's an example.
Buy an unid requiem weapon for 7m. Using 3 EWRs from mentee coins you can crystallize it and sell the crystals to the NPC for 18.9m. Or you can go for broke... every successful enchant adding what... 8-10m in crystal R grade (I forget the exact amount). If it breaks you retain the current amount with the net loss being the cost of the enchant weapon so it's a small gamble but worth it most of the time if only for the 2/3 success rate.
You can easily take mentee coins gained in a month and turn it into 100+ million adena by selling crystals to the NPCs alone. If you have multiple awakened chars and are on 24/7 that is!
As far as farming goes it's dumb to assume people can't make adena from adena drops alone. At my level, according to my museum statistics I've picked up over 220m adena off the ground. Add the fact that I used mentee certificates for all the BSPSR I've used and that's a lot of money I end up making on the average exp run. It takes me a day to make 300,000 BSPSR through mentee certs and that can last me for months... saving me 250m in shots. Runs that are total profit minus teleport costs.
I'm ball parking here but between monetizing my mentee coins from my main, iss, and healer and the adena I pick up from mobs... I've generated a total of 500-800m adena from mobs and NPC sales while saving 300,000,000 or so in shots from using mentee certifications.
And lets now forget tersi's light event which gave me roughly 500,000,000 in NPC sales by selling the what I thought were "bad" dyes (something I now regret by an immeasurable degree) among other things.
Most awakened characters share similar histories relative to their level. With that said I think the implication that NC soft might be generating and selling the adena themselves is absolutely bonkers and you should feel ridiculous for even suggesting that.
You can easily take mentee coins gained in a month and turn it into 100+ million adena by selling crystals to the NPCs alone. If you have multiple awakened chars and are on 24/7 that is!
At my level, according to my museum statistics I've picked up over 220m adena off the ground.
It takes me a day to make 300,000 BSPSR through mentee certs and that can last me for months... saving me 250m in shots.
Yeah if you play like a one-man-sweatshop... maybe.
Since GoD I've picked up over 550 million adena, so what? I feel more poor than ever before.
Btw before GoD I was able to farm 500+ mil per month just by solo farming blue mobs at Dino isle, without having to sell or crystallize anything.
And yes the game design in GoD is so exploitable and full of holes it's no wonder people resort to various odd ways of making money out of nowhere. I'd rather have it the good old way: I wish lvl 90+ mobs in GoD would drop proper amounts of adena instead of ~1k each.
And lets now forget tersi's light event which gave me roughly 500,000,000 in NPC sales
So you must be one of those responsible for the servers' total screw-up during the ******* event: either by running hundreds of bottrains or by sponsoring the farmers (i.e. buying from them and re-selling).
I think the implication that NC soft might be generating and selling the adena themselves is absolutely bonkers and you should feel ridiculous for even suggesting that.
I agree. Adena comes mostly from farmers, and the big part of the so-called "players community" is directly responsible for that, as they keep buying adena from farmers.
Amen.
I'll tell you its about how fast you wanna achieve something without griding adena or botting like a idiot in solo zones.
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If i get a wep drop from soa per week from my 6 alts im happy if not im happy too...
In my book playing 6 alts is playing like idiot, and if I had to play like this, I'd prefer to just set up a bot, and do something that is actually fun in mean time.
If you have multiple awakened chars and are on 24/7 that is!
That was acceptable for me 6 years ago, but since that time I've grown up, learned to treat game as a game, and part of that is not leaving pc turned on for the night.
I got my twilight from joined effort of my CP (all 7 people are in twilight), while XPing, raiding and pvping with live people and in general having fun - and not spending more than 3-4h/ day in game. About more luxurious stuff atm I can only dream, but I will never force myself to play a game like a second job.
So it's somewhat doable, but imo the game mechanics should be focused on supporting such playstyle, cooperation and organisation between players, rather than mindless farmers with multiple alts, pc 24/7 up etc - at least if NC wants to have more people on the servers :P