The lineage 2 after 10 years of existence won the hearts of all its players with its original history and beauty in all aspects, with beautiful that no other class has a sword singer mmo, blade dancers, etc. all related to the history of the game and race, an incredible imagination and impressive, but right now you have destroyed all 30 classes to create only 8? to simplify something so extraordinary and complex that it was our dear lineage2? what happened with you? you guys have any idea of the path that will take l2? you guys simply killed the whole game with this update, pick up items on the site? where are our dwarves seeking items and crafting? oh i know also wanted to simplify this, 60% quit after the server has to know the path of awakening, you guys thought it would impress us with those sills "fantastic"? killing our beloved classes? took the golems of dwarves took the panther dark avenger, slew the classes so well designed and well prepared for you guys to create a simple archer archer yue? a single tank? Sigel knight? where is the imagination of lineage2?? I can only cry for what they did to our beloved game, now has no turning back, the third class was destroyed, and the armor? Where are the designers of Dragonic Tallum armor and other armor? beautiful armor that NO other mmo has not lineage 2 the best mmo of all (or was). these new armors are looking for something ridiculous mu online, why not invest in the game all the level 1-99? why kill the game from level 1 to 85? LINEAGE STARTING LEVEL OF 1 TO 99 AND 85 TO 99 DO NOT. Please wake up, the old staff left? recontratem they please. I think an injustice in the players stay at the mercy of officials who do not think the traditional players and seek to impress the masses with these skills "impressive" awakening.
The lineage 2 after 10 years of existence won the hearts of all its players with its original history and beauty in all aspects, with beautiful that no other class has a sword singer mmo, blade dancers, etc. all related to the history of the game and race, an incredible imagination and impressive, but right now you have destroyed all 30 classes to create only 8? to simplify something so extraordinary and complex that it was our dear lineage2? what happened with you? you guys have any idea of the path that will take l2? you guys simply killed the whole game with this update, pick up items on the site? where are our dwarves seeking items and crafting? oh i know also wanted to simplify this, 60% quit after the server has to know the path of awakening, you guys thought it would impress us with those sills "fantastic"? killing our beloved classes? took the golems of dwarves took the panther dark avenger, slew the classes so well designed and well prepared for you guys to create a simple archer archer yue? a single tank? Sigel knight? where is the imagination of lineage2?? I can only cry for what they did to our beloved game, now has no turning back, the third class was destroyed, and the armor? Where are the designers of Dragonic Tallum armor and other armor? beautiful armor that NO other mmo has not lineage 2 the best mmo of all (or was). these new armors are looking for something ridiculous mu online, why not invest in the game all the level 1-99? why kill the game from level 1 to 85? LINEAGE STARTING LEVEL OF 1 TO 99 AND 85 TO 99 DO NOT. Please wake up, the old staff left? recontratem they please. I think an injustice in the players stay at the mercy of officials who do not think the traditional players and seek to impress the masses with these skills "impressive" awakening.
HA! The facts that you stated here are exactly the ones that I' ve been thinking about for the last 3 months. I couldn' t agree more with you mate...However, you forgot to mention our old beloved pk system. Anyways, guess that no admin cares about this, though I think that it is kinda stupid of them, since we are their customers and they should do as we please...
Dont play retail if you were playing on a crappy interlude private server,you think the game changed a lot but it havent.
It has not? Oh. And here I was and thought all the different summoner races now had exactly the same summons when awakened, and all the unique thought-out classes with different skillsets were reduced to only eight. Man, where did I get that idea from.
Now that you say it, those differences only existed on private servers!! Yes, that must be it. Official lineage2 always only had eight classes, nothing changed. Thanks for reminding us.
I am just sick of people, the ones that no matter what happens, no matter how awful this game has become compared to the game it used to be, are okay with it. In your case, it is even worse, as I can see that you' ve been playing for quite some time now...
I am just sick of people, the ones that no matter what happens, no matter how awful this game has become compared to the game it used to be, are okay with it. In your case, it is even worse, as I can see that you' ve been playing for quite some time now...
Everything changes, NOTHING stays the same forever.
The Years change, people change, the seasons change and Lineage 2 changed, and in billions of years the solar system will change too.
L2 has changed, most people were looking for a change since its such a Classic but old game. The changes put through wasn't wat 60% of the people playing agreed with quite possibly. I agree with L2 losing it's variety of classes, that blows. A lot of games as the standard melee, archer, mage,etc.
Lots of people have nothing negative to add so that say it to others.
A lot of people will tell u to get over it and deal with change as it is in real life. The original post was not a dig at NCSOFT, it was an opinion and i for 1 enjoy reading these types of threads (when i have the time to read them . .).
You couldn' t have caught my point better. I was gonna write the exact same thing, but you proved too quick for me.
Ok, let's me give you guys a example:
If your dog DIE, you will say to God "This life sucks, I want the life to be back when my dog is alive" and will suicide because of this, or accept the fact the life never will be the same again, you had your fun momments with your dog but now its all over, carry on and no metter how much you pray, this never will change ?
Some with L2, you guys had your fun momments with the game, but don't accept that(for you) this is over, and never will return if you guys stay chained to the past.
The life it's not always the way we want, and we need to deal with it, if the changes are so much a pain for you guys, simple quit, because the game never will be the same again.
I think that the essence of the game killed with this change to only 8 classes. Certainly many other games have this amount however also have many other things that do that here there. In addition to bad work of administrators, the community of this game is fatal, full of rude people and believe to be the best to spend 12 hours a day on a site, killing the same mobs over and over again.
Also the lag, overcrowding in servers, bots and gold sellers make the game a nothing fun experience. I, the months that I played it, felt more it was a job than a hobby. To be accepted in a clan you must play out of control, have "team speaker" spend all the hours with a headset in the head.... is similar and be working in a call center.
Within the game there is much racism and constant conflict, and in the Forum not to mention, never missing the cocky that fix you any error or makes a mockery of your questions.
Particularly I've withdrawn temporarily from this game to AION online, it seems to me more fun and was easy to find a good clan with whom pass it well after work 8 hours a day and study 4. I hope in future updates to improve this game because I have him some appreciation for having been one of the first in which I was involved for many years.
En español:
Yo pienso que mataron la esencia del juego con este cambio a solo 8 clases. Ciertamente muchos otros juegos tienen esta cantidad sin embargo también tienen muchas otras cosas que hacer que acá no hay. Adicional al mal trabajo de los administradores, la comunidad de este juego es fatal, llena de gente grosera y que creen ser los mejores por pasar 12 horas diarias en un sitio, matando los mismos mobs una y otra vez.
También el lag, la sobrepoblación en los servidores, los bots y vendedores de oro hacen del juego una experiencia nada divertida. Yo, los meses que lo jugué, sentía mas que era un trabajo que un pasatiempo. Para ser aceptado en un clan debes jugar fuera de control, tener "team speaker" y pasar todas las horas con un headset en la cabeza.... es parecido a estar trabajando en un call center.
Dentro del juego hay mucho racismo y conflictos constantes, y en el foro ni hablar, nunca falta el engreído que te corrige cualquier error o se burla de tus preguntas.
Particularmente me he retirado temporalmente de este juego a AION online, me parece mas divertido y fue sencillo encontrar un buen clan con quien pasarla bien luego de trabajar 8 horas diarias y estudiar 4. Espero que en futuras actualizaciones mejoren este juego ya que le tengo bastante aprecio por haber sido uno de los primeros en que participé hace muchos años.
YES, WE CAN
So, this is game evolution. Maybe in next chronicle koreans made new reborn and back to old class system.
I read this days "make a Interlude Server"... another private rage.
If your dog DIE, you will say to God "This life sucks, I want the life to be back when my dog is alive" and will suicide because of this, or accept the fact the life never will be the same again, you had your fun momments with your dog but now its all over, carry on and no metter how much you pray, this never will change ?
Some with L2, you guys had your fun momments with the game, but don't accept that(for you) this is over, and never will return if you guys stay chained to the past.
The life it's not always the way we want, and we need to deal with it, if the changes are so much a pain for you guys, simple quit, because the game never will be the same again.
Do as I do, just accept it.
It seems that I' ll have to say it again. As already stated, I don' t have a problem with change, as long as it is for the best. Your example was about a situation that was irreversible, well, guess what...This situation is not. We are their customers, so they have to subdue to our demands, don' t they? By this I mean that with our constant whining they might think of modifying L2 according to our wishes.
60 % do server deu quit depois de conhecer o path of awakening
You're a real BR. Did you just make up those %? You know why some people quit when they came to retail? Cause it was too hard for them, the moment they hit 85 it would be waaay too much grind and the nabs quit, other reason is botters that got banned and moved on.
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És mesmo BR caralho, acabaste de inventar essa porcaria de percentagem? Sabes porque o ppl desistiu quando vieram para o retail? Porque quando chegavam ao 85 queixavam-se que era mt dificil lvlar e que devia de ser mais facil e os noobs foram-se embora (graças a Deus), a outra razão é porque estes burros andaram a dar bot porque nao conseguiam lvlar e farmar sozinhos e foram banidos e andaram a chorar que o retail é injusto. pelo menos agora não tenho que ler todos os dias "HUAHSUEHSUHSUSHEUSHAEA VOCE É NOOB CARA VLW!", "adena PL0X!".
We are their customers, so they have to subdue to our demands, don' t they? By this I mean that with our constant whining they might think of modifying L2 according to our wishes.
lol..sorry...way too funny...nah really..they could care less. The game will die before OUR WISHES are granted. "Ty for playing."
We've been constantly whining for the past 8 years ( well i haven't been that long but generally speaking), you believe what you just said? You ever played official or read any thread here?
If you even knew a thing about it, you'd know L2 has projects 2 years ahead from the present moment and they're not just canceled like that.
You're a real BR. Did you just make up those %? You know why some people quit when they came to retail? Cause it was too hard for them, the moment they hit 85 it would be waaay too much grind and the nabs quit, other reason is botters that got banned and moved on.
Portuguese:
És mesmo BR caralho, acabaste de inventar essa porcaria de percentagem? Sabes porque o ppl desistiu quando vieram para o retail? Porque quando chegavam ao 85 queixavam-se que era mt dificil lvlar e que devia de ser mais facil e os noobs foram-se embora (graças a Deus), a outra razão é porque estes burros andaram a dar bot porque nao conseguiam lvlar e farmar sozinhos e foram banidos e andaram a chorar que o retail é injusto. pelo menos agora não tenho que ler todos os dias "HUAHSUEHSUHSUSHEUSHAEA VOCE É NOOB CARA VLW!", "adena PL0X!".
lol..sorry...way too funny...nah really..they could care less. The game will die before OUR WISHES are granted. "Ty for playing."
We've been constantly whining for the past 8 years ( well i haven't been that long but generally speaking), you believe what you just said? You ever played official or read any thread here?
Not really, I am of those who' d never spend money for a game. I myself started playing official since it went f2p. As for the second question of yours, well, yes. I have read quite many threads, but I am from the ones that never stop hoping.
It seems that I' ll have to say it again. As already stated, I don' t have a problem with change, as long as it is for the best. Your example was about a situation that was irreversible, well, guess what...This situation is not. We are their customers, so they have to subdue to our demands, don' t they? By this I mean that with our constant whining they might think of modifying L2 according to our wishes.
I understand your point of view, I really do.
But... the problem is that things don’t work this way.
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Let's start why they don't will do it:
Eastern side of the globe (specially Koreans) is the primary focus of the developer right now, and they will hear only then. Its sad but is the truth. If the Koreans have no problem with the current game features, they don't will change it back, no matter how we, westerns, scream.
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Even if they manage to bring everything back, how they will change everything back to Interlude style in a smooth manner?
Think, how they gonna remove the Awakened, the attributes, the R grades armor, and so on, without players losing a lot of time and effort put on making those things.
I don't want to lose my TW set that I put my blood on it to get(or the Seraph upper that I have in the WH), neither lose my Aeore class that I learned to love to go back to a inferior class, that was SE.
Downgrading is HARDER than upgrading, almost impossible without having a lot of people angry.
If you even knew a thing about it, you'd know L2 has projects 2 years ahead from the present moment and they're not just canceled like that.
By the way, it matters not whether they have projects for 2 years ahead. People had been whining for quite a long time about my precious SoulHound class and now, in reverse to what you said, their wishes were granted. SoulHounds got nerfed. That being said, I believe that the pk system will change and become as it was, for the same reason. Moreover, you are unable to know whether L2' s projects aren' t similar to the Hellbound or the Interlude chronicle. By this I mean that L2 might roll back, since now they' ve learned what' s what we prefer.
By the way, it matters not whether they have projects for 2 years ahead. People had been whining for quite a long time about my precious SoulHound class and now, in reverse to what you said, their wishes were granted. SoulHounds got nerfed. That being said, I believe that the pk system will change and become as it was, for the same reason. Moreover, you are unable to know whether L2' s projects aren' t similar to the Hellbound or the Interlude chronicle. By this I mean that L2 might roll back, since now they' ve learned what' s what we prefer.
Nerfing a class is not the same as reversing all the game features. Plus the complaints didn't come from NC NA.
Nerfing one class requires changing a line in the code, a simple tweak of power of effect. Changing game features requires a whole team and there are salaries to be paied, don't expect the DEVs to magically change everything they worked on when it doesn't come with any profit.
Nerfing a class is not the same as reversing all the game features. Plus the complaints didn't come from NC NA.
Nerfing one class requires changing a line in the code, a simple tweak of power of effect. Changing game features requires a whole team and there are salaries to be paied, don't expect the DEVs to magically change everything they worked on when it doesn't come with any profit.
We both know (as well as the NC guys do) that their releasing a new version of L2, similar, if not the same with L2 that we used to love ( C1-Hellbound ), would prove profitable to them. It' s not a belief, it is a fact. After they decided to make L2 f2p, a great influx of players logged in official. Now, just 4 months later, the number of players has greatly downsized and I think that we both know the reason. Most of the ones that left hate the game that is currently being provided to us, the whole GoD-thing, along with the inadequate service NCwest provides us with. As I' ve stated in another post of mine, it' s just a matter of time until the servers remain empty for once again. This situation has to be dealt with ASAP, otherwise the NC guys will experience their company' s bankruptcy. They know what to do, so why don' t they do it? It is a messed up solution, I know, but not more than their decision to modify L2 to what it is now. Messed up modifications require messed up solutions in order to be rectified. And that also, is a fact.
First i couldn't log on Chronus because of that stupid NC event.
Then i kept running into the statues that glorify bots now i get stuck in the middle of a field.
And i agree with the original poster.
I also can't wait until all the servers are awakened so that there will be 1000 people divided between 8 different classes. All looking the same.
Then again i don't think the game will last that long.
I'm waiting for server merge.
PS sorry for infraction using F U is bad...how about this
NC could screw up a 2 car funeral!
ps: Sace instead of giving infractions why not help to alleviate some of NC's incompetence in that way you could actually make the game better...oh wait thats not your job!
Here's the problem with rants about NC. It's unproductive and pointless. In the past 8 years or more that I've been playing it has NEVER mattered how much we complained. You learn how to play the game or quit. Just when you think you've figured out how to make some adena and xp the spot is either nerfed or removed so if you think crying over it on the forums would change it you're sadly mistaken. You find something else that works.
No one is going to console you here. In fact you've probably realized that now. Those of us who've played since it launched don't always actually like what NC does per say,we just adjust and keep going. It's more about your in game friends over the game itself.
all the unique thought-out classes with different skillsets were reduced to only eight.
They reduced the classes,but the roles remain the same and even back then there wasnt much of a diference betwen each class.What summoners had before? PS had deathspike and the other 2 pretty much the same thing,diferent banes and pet sprite? i dont see how the new classes are such a shocking change.
They reduced the classes,but the roles remain the same and even back then there wasnt much of a diference betwen each class.What summoners had before? PS had deathspike and the other 2 pretty much the same thing,diferent banes and pet sprite? i dont see how the new classes are such a shocking change.
I had to lol at this. Not much a difference in lets say a dark elf dagger archer to human or light elf dagger or archer? Or how bout spellsinger to spellhowler, what server did you play on? I could go on and on but I think you might want to rethink that, yes classes reduction killed the game, it makes everyone the same of a particular class, but I believe items in the shop sealed the fate.
Here's the problem with rants about NC. It's unproductive and pointless. In the past 8 years or more that I've been playing it has NEVER mattered how much we complained. You learn how to play the game or quit. Just when you think you've figured out how to make some adena and xp the spot is either nerfed or removed so if you think crying over it on the forums would change it you're sadly mistaken. You find something else that works.
No one is going to console you here. In fact you've probably realized that now. Those of us who've played since it launched don't always actually like what NC does per say,we just adjust and keep going. It's more about your in game friends over the game itself.Ha the only complaining that ever did a thing was bot complaints. Eventually after enough complaining NCwest always seemed to go on a massive banning spree for a couple days to get people to shut up for a bit.
Ha the only complaining that ever did a thing was bot complaints. Eventually after enough complaining NCwest always seemed to go on a massive banning spree for a couple days to get people to shut up for a bit.
No one will ever shut up about bots....period and because bots is an entirely different issue Imma **** on it because personally I'm sick of talking about them.
No one will ever shut up about bots....period and because bots is an entirely different issue Imma **** on it because personally I'm sick of talking about them.There's a bit of a cycle with it though.
HA! The facts that you stated here are exactly the ones that I' ve been thinking about for the last 3 months. I couldn' t agree more with you mate...However, you forgot to mention our old beloved pk system. Anyways, guess that no admin cares about this, though I think that it is kinda stupid of them, since we are their customers and they should do as we please.......Yeah like that will ever happen...GL with that...i been on same server for over 7 years ( Erica/Sayha/Chronos )....have 4 accts that i paid for , for those 7 years and ive yet to see them bow down and lay praise to us LOYAL l2 ppls :(
But... the problem is that things don’t work this way.
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Let's start why they don't will do it:
Eastern side of the globe (specially Koreans) is the primary focus of the developer right now, and they will hear only then. Its sad but is the truth. If the Koreans have no problem with the current game features, they don't will change it back, no matter how we, westerns, scream.
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Even if they manage to bring everything back, how they will change everything back to Interlude style in a smooth manner?
Think, how they gonna remove the Awakened, the attributes, the R grades armor, and so on, without players losing a lot of time and effort put on making those things.
I don't want to lose my TW set that I put my blood on it to get(or the Seraph upper that I have in the WH), neither lose my Aeore class that I learned to love to go back to a inferior class, that was SE.
Downgrading is HARDER than upgrading, almost impossible without having a lot of people angry.
What you said is the simple truth and I' ve already thought about this. I was unable to find a decent solution on my own. Dunno really, the only possible solution that comes to my mind, is to increase the current servers' cap, merge them and then make another huge server, run with (for example) Hellbound-like files.. But I' m just a 17-year old kid, whereas the Koreans have dozens of adult, qualified employees. They might come up with something better that would rectify the current situation.
There's not enough areas and monsters to fit more population, servers cap was already increased in December and it led to constant crashes and lags. We don't want anymore login issues, the 2-3months of login issues we had were ENOUGH!
There's not enough areas and monsters to fit more population, servers cap was already increased in December and it led to constant crashes and lags. We don't want anymore login issues, the 2-3months of login issues we had were ENOUGH!
That was December, population was cut down by bot bans and new games in open beta
That was December, population was cut down by bot bans and new games in open betaIndeed between a mass banning and other games coming out (including beta and f2p) the average online population on Chronos has seen a decent drop.
Nerfing a class is not the same as reversing all the game features. Plus the complaints didn't come from NC NA.
Nerfing one class requires changing a line in the code, a simple tweak of power of effect. Changing game features requires a whole team and there are salaries to be paied, don't expect the DEVs to magically change everything they worked on when it doesn't come with any profit.
No. Nerfs don't always come through direct nerfs to specific skills. There can be indirect nerfs via mechanics changes aimed at limiting the power of a certain class or group of classes.
Remember the VR nerf (where every mob only gives half the HP leech the previous did) aimed to limit the efficiency of Polearm leveling? Not a direct nerf to the classes, but certainly a nerf to them.
The Archery range damage variance nerf where how damage goes down the closer you are to your target wasn't really an archer nerf, targetted at classes like BDs/SWS who only used duals/sword+shield in PvP (and even a lot of PvE) to dance (SWS could with a Bow IIRC) and nothing else.
There are attribute nerfs that were obviously targetted at limiting nuker power, cause they were disgusting imba back when that was put in.
Lots of nerfs came through that weren't directly applied to a class or its class skills, but obviously targetted at them.
Nerfs are part of balancing games. Not sure why people always use it in a negative way. Sometimes things need to be nerfed because they are not balanced, and sometimes things need to be boosted because they are underpowered/too low on the balance scale.
Lineage 2 ends at level 85, Lineage 3, called GoD, then starts. If you think about it, if they dropped L2 and launched a L3, then L2 servers would not be maintained and eventually shut down, and the toons you spent years on, they'd be gone. If you like the old content, level personal mentees, or your subs.
Lineage 2 ends at level 85, Lineage 3, called GoD, then starts. If you think about it, if they dropped L2 and launched a L3, then L2 servers would not be maintained and eventually shut down, and the toons you spent years on, they'd be gone. If you like the old content, level personal mentees, or your subs.
No GoD is not L3, It's STILL called Lineage 2 just a new chronicle..If you think about