Since we all know that MANY L2 players test Tera and actually like it (cos of the old L2 dudes and their way to think about gameplay) and that there is also a HUGE fanbase for Diablo, what are your plans to counter the coming loss of players?
There is already a lot of talk going on in L2 / on fansites etc. about who will leave, recruiting players to start as a group and so on.
You have to act NOW to counter that BEFORE the players will leave.
Tell us how you wanna stop this, because many that think about to leave could be bound to L2 then.
I doubt that any company would reveal their plans how to counter other games in forums. This will be again IknowEVERYTHINGaboutNCSOFTcompanyANDwhatACTIONSthe yWILLmake topic. Better do something that concerns you. We have no power to stop people migrating from game to game, to find what suits them more. So why to waste your time for useless disccussion as this?
What does the OP care about customer loss. I wouldn't mind if a couple hundred foreign roaches quit the game for those other games.
I have a feeling though L2 would lose more English players to the newer games and the BR and GR players will keep flooding L2 since it's f2p and said foreign players can't afford the new games.
Do you really think that this will keep the players at L2? I doubt so.
The events won't be enough to keep players from leaving L2 since D3, Tera and GW2 already have a large fanbase waiting for their release. I already know of at least 20 friends (long time players here and all English speaking) who are planning on quitting L2 for Tera Online.
The real problem is L2 is too old, outdated and poorly managed compared to the newer games. The other problems, and their biggest downfall, is that they never advertised Lineage II except in a few online info sites. They think that by holding a few events and giving players some items will be enough to keep them here, it won't.
What does the OP care about customer loss. I wouldn't mind if a couple hundred foreign roaches quit the game for those other games.
I have a feeling though L2 would lose more English players to the newer games and the BR and GR players will keep flooding L2 since it's f2p and said foreign players can't afford the new games.
BR and GR ain't 3rd world countries, so better keep your opinion to yourself. I am from foreign country too, But being American (I assume you're American) doesn't mean you're better than others. ;]
(and NO I'm not from BR nor GR., I just hate people who make full-of-themselves on the Internet.)
BR and GR ain't 3rd world countries, so better keep your opinion to yourself. I am from foreign country too, But being American (I assume you're American) doesn't mean you're better than others. ;]
(and NO I'm not from BR nor GR., I just hate people who make full-of-themselves on the Internet.)
It's just that most of them keep talking in their language in white/orange/party chats, completely ignoring other people requests and refusing to express themselves in an understandable language.
They aren't 3rd world countries, but their lack of manners say otherwise. I keep up with economy papers and I see why there is a high flood of people from said countries in game. Unemployment means nothing to do, people will turn to games to burn time. L2 is f2p so ofc they would flood this game. I don't like either. All they do is ks me then spam me for buffs and heals.
I'm moving to GW2 as soon as it comes out. I'm playing LoL and L2 just to waste time till then.
I really dunno, why do you screaming always around the Tera and D3.
I did ask a lot of peoples from Naia server, that while they go play with these games. In 90% or more they told, that they won't go.
But honestly it isn't interesting, if some peoples make break in l2 until play for some weeks or months with Tera or D3.
The most important, that the NC can lure back them 2-3 months later.
You peoples always generate much bigger panic or trouble as it is really, mostly this is what hits the game, not the real problems.
If you see, NC will take a lots of stuffs in May and June Account Services, Tauti and who knows still what.
Piotress has right, that NC have to improve their management and marketing, because currently this is what would help a lot also.
But Piotress you wrong, if you think, that the age is count something. Because it isn't. Maybe the graphic what can be weaker year by year, but in MMOs not really important, who play an MMO for its graphic this player leave every MMO in some weeks.
Also the developers did talk about it in December, that the Lineage 2 might will get a new engine soon, to can control without problem the gigantic Cross Server Wars and Cross Server Raids.
...Also the developers did talk about it in December, that the Lineage 2 might will get a new engine soon, to can control without problem the gigantic Cross Server Wars and Cross Server Raids.
This are rumors that are around. But even with the Glory Days update isn't a change of that.
(And we still miss the final Harmony patches, then Tauti update and then Glory Days update)
Tera will be it's own death. I tried beta and dropped the game. It's not interesting at all. Not what they claimed it to be either. D3 I believe will be killed by bots/farmers and rl money cost to play. I'll see you all back in l2 by the time you 30 days are up.
Lol you people hating just for hating..seriously, when a game that shows some kind of competition pops up "bleeeh it sux", you get influenced so easily just because some hardcore l2 gamer says it sux =/
The game is good, it breaks the monotonous grinding + the community is hilarious and not a bunch of downers.
U deem what is now a Free to Play game as "survived" all the other games over the years? F2P is NCWest's last chance to keep the game available to the NA Market....and at this point it is not even being played in a NA time zone....
We all respond to L2 related issues in our own little micro worlds; the fact is L2 had a great run but was run into the ground by incompetent staff, an unrealistic company, and by far by it's own playerbase.
Nothing is like L2, both the good and bad, which is why it is unplayed by most yet loved so dearly by so few.
U deem what is now a Free to Play game as "survived" all the other games over the years? F2P is NCWest's last chance to keep the game available to the NA Market....and at this point it is not even being played in a NA time zone....
We all respond to L2 related issues in our own little micro worlds; the fact is L2 had a great run but was run into the ground by incompetent staff, an unrealistic company, and by far by it's own playerbase.
Nothing is like L2, both the good and bad, which is why it is unplayed by most yet loved so dearly by so few.
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I couldn't have said it better, L2 was the first MMO I played as a youngster and probably the only reason I still play it.
everyone I know who just started has already quit before they reached 70s.
I think the only reason I still play is for nostalgic reasons but as you've already mentioned I've noticed the decline in player base
(just have to walk through Aden to realize numbers have dwindled from a month prior)
and much like everyone else I've had enough of people refusing to speak in a c'mon language that all can understand.
P.S. before you all flame me: No, I'm not American. and yes I too speak more then just one language, I simply choose to speak in the Universal one and not annoy the hell outta people in greek ty very much.
It has challange. It has limitations that you can break if you work hard enough.
I believe that the limitations are the things that make this game worth playing.
You can't be an orc wizard. You can't be an orc summonner, or a healer, or a knight.
ONLY if you are willing to work hard for it.
L2 shows that no matter where you come from, or who you are you can be anything you want to be (it fails at kamaels, but well...) if you are willing to fight for yourself.
In other MMOs you are who you are. You are either a warrior or a mage, maybe a rouge. Your character NEVER changes. It always stays the same.
In Lineage 2 your character can break the stereotypes.
You can show that dwarves are capable of magic. You can show that elves can be badass warriors. You can show that darkelves are not all evil.
Other MMOs don't have this. You hit max level and bye bye.
It has challange. It has limitations that you can break if you work hard enough.
I believe that the limitations are the things that make this game worth playing.
You can't be an orc wizard. You can't be an orc summonner, or a healer, or a knight.
ONLY if you are willing to work hard for it.
L2 shows that no matter where you come from, or who you are you can be anything you want to be (it fails at kamaels, but well...) if you are willing to fight for yourself.
In other MMOs you are who you are. You are either a warrior or a mage, maybe a rouge. Your character NEVER changes. It always stays the same.
In Lineage 2 your character can break the stereotypes.
You can show that dwarves are capable of magic. You can show that elves can be badass warriors. You can show that darkelves are not all evil.
Other MMOs don't have this. You hit max level and bye bye.
Um what? There are tons of MMORPGs with races that don't restrict classes.
It has challange. It has limitations that you can break if you work hard enough.
I believe that the limitations are the things that make this game worth playing.
You can't be an orc wizard. You can't be an orc summonner, or a healer, or a knight.
ONLY if you are willing to work hard for it.
L2 shows that no matter where you come from, or who you are you can be anything you want to be (it fails at kamaels, but well...) if you are willing to fight for yourself.
In other MMOs you are who you are. You are either a warrior or a mage, maybe a rouge. Your character NEVER changes. It always stays the same.
In Lineage 2 your character can break the stereotypes.
You can show that dwarves are capable of magic. You can show that elves can be badass warriors. You can show that darkelves are not all evil.
Other MMOs don't have this. You hit max level and bye bye.
Lineage 2 HAD something no other games had...then those 35 classes turned into 8. Then it was like we were playing WoW.
What limitations does Lineage 2 have that make it so unique? Please, name them. Name their limitations that no other MMO has ever had. Class restriction isn't a limitation, it's just a race-specific value in this game that make it so we don't have more than the previously gigantic amount of classes.
L2 doesn't show that you can't be anything you want to be if you're willing to fight for yourself. If you fight for yourself and win, the BRGRBGhuehue's will bring in their Awakened toon to counteract your lowbie and grief you. Wanna know where I've seen that behavior stem from? WoW.
Hey Dav, you are who you are? Last I checked, there are only 8 classes in end-game here now, not 35. Shockingly, you're either a warrior, wizard, healer, rogue, tank, buffer, summoner, archer. Wanna know of a game that had those 8 classes at the same timeframe it opened? WoW. How is it a popular game like WoW IMPROVED on their 8 class maximum, and yet over the years L2 has digressed from 35 to 8?
Stone of Destiny and subclasses can prove dwarves are capable of magic. Without that stone, your dwarf will always be a fighter. Subclasses consider the toon in question a member of said race, you're still not a dwarven Elemental Summoner when you pick to subclass Elemental Summoner.
Yes, L2 doesn't have much strenght to attract new players(who never played L2 before) nowadays, so developes, at least, need to encourage players not to leave the game because some of them will go to TERA-D3-GW2, but the biggest threat for L2 here, in my opinion, is the TITAN MMO from Blizzard.
Lineage 2 HAD something no other games had...then those 35 classes turned into 8. Then it was like we were playing WoW.
Quantity =/= quality
WoW will have 11* classes in the next expansion, but each one has 3 different builds, as Druid will have 4 builds, WoW has a total of 34* completely different builds in MoP expansion, much more diverse and rich that even the old 35 classes from L2:
Lol you people hating just for hating..seriously, when a game that shows some kind of competition pops up "bleeeh it sux", you get influenced so easily just because some hardcore l2 gamer says it sux =/
The game is good, it breaks the monotonous grinding + the community is hilarious and not a bunch of downers.
I still think Tera sux. I don't like the game mechanics. Has nothing to do with competition. The game is not what they claimed it to be and it's boring. Most people only play their free 30 days and return to the game they played before claim xxx game sux. Just because you like it doesn't mean it's a good game. It's not bad because I dislike the game. I stated an opinion. Like someone else said it's L2 with better graphics. Same dev team means massively ignoring NA customers and only half releasing content on NA servers. I deal with that in L2 but I am not starting a new game for the same crap under a different company name. Plus a game that's been out a year in Korea should play much smoother then Tera does.
F2P model isn't only an economic rescue, F2P is the future of MMO
You'll see less P2P MMO in the next years.
For my part, my CP took a break for 2 weeks, it's pretty hard to start to xp again.
I'll try tera for sure and D3 is already preordered and I took 1 week vacation in may :O
Everyone hypes about a game,then a month after when they realize the game has major flaws and its not the perfect utopia they expected from such a hype,they ragequit.Remember Swtor? well,look how that turned out.
Tera isn't that horrid jeez. Okay some people won't like it,but you can't possibly predict it's outcome. Not everything that comes out is doomed to fail. Tera won't replace L2, nothing will,but for some people it's something different from the old hum drum.
WoW will have 11* classes in the next expansion, but each one has 3 different builds, as Druid will have 4 builds, WoW has a total of 34* completely different builds in MoP expansion, much more diverse and rich that even the old 35 classes from L2:
So are you meaning to tell me that the 35 classes L2 had before didn't count as having quality and only fulfilled quantity? Because if that's what you're implying, your opinion is invalid. The 8 classes we have now are JOKES compared to the 35 we had before. I don't care if they're stronger than the old ones, now there is no strategy involved whatsoever. Every pvp party now needs 2 Aeore's, an Iss, a Sigel, and DD's to be effective. Oh wow, how difficult that is to put together with no strategy behind it whatsoever. Racial traits are hardly a matter, so no one cares if you have a Kamael Iss, Orc Iss, Dwarf Iss, etc. It's hardly something game-breaking.
Shocking, a game that starts with a small amount of classes is expanding further and they still have more of a steady player-base than a game that went from an expansive amount of classes and went in reverse. Prove me right more.
So are you meaning to tell me that the 35 classes L2 had before didn't count as having quality and only fulfilled quantity? Because if that's what you're implying, your opinion is invalid. The 8 classes we have now are JOKES compared to the 35 we had before. I don't care if they're stronger than the old ones, now there is no strategy involved whatsoever. Every pvp party now needs 2 Aeore's, an Iss, a Sigel, and DD's to be effective. Oh wow, how difficult that is to put together with no strategy behind it whatsoever. Racial traits are hardly a matter, so no one cares if you have a Kamael Iss, Orc Iss, Dwarf Iss, etc. It's hardly something game-breaking.
Shocking, a game that starts with a small amount of classes is expanding further and they still have more of a steady player-base than a game that went from an expansive amount of classes and went in reverse. Prove me right more.
Well, I'm not a Blizzard fanboy, I play WoW or any other MMO without any prejudice, my first MMO was Lineage 1 and L2 was the second one, for example, each MMO has its own advantages and disadvantages, good and bad things, but my experience playing wow and L2 during years shows that the 34 class specializations in WoW are much more diverse and rich than the old 35 L2 classes, and there are a lot of strategies and rotations per class, if you are saying there is no strategy, you should never have played WoW.
All the classes from the same class archetype are kinda the same lol,they all do the same,with diferent sprites or self buffs.There are very minor diferences betwen say nuker or archer classes,WoW has indeed a much deeper class specialization than the old L2 classes.
It has challange. It has limitations that you can break if you work hard enough.
I believe that the limitations are the things that make this game worth playing.
You can't be an orc wizard. You can't be an orc summonner, or a healer, or a knight.
ONLY if you are willing to work hard for it.
L2 shows that no matter where you come from, or who you are you can be anything you want to be (it fails at kamaels, but well...) if you are willing to fight for yourself.
In other MMOs you are who you are. You are either a warrior or a mage, maybe a rouge. Your character NEVER changes. It always stays the same.
In Lineage 2 your character can break the stereotypes.
You can show that dwarves are capable of magic. You can show that elves can be badass warriors. You can show that darkelves are not all evil.
Other MMOs don't have this. You hit max level and bye bye.
are u insane? last time i checked my Human Duelist lost all sense of uniqueness when i turned him into a Tyrr.
Well, I'm not a Blizzard fanboy, I play WoW or any other MMO without any prejudice, my first MMO was Lineage 1 and L2 was the second one, for example, each MMO has its own advantages and disadvantages, good and bad things, but my experience playing wow and L2 during years shows that the 34 class specializations in WoW are much more diverse and rich than the old 35 L2 classes, and there are a lot of strategies and rotations per class, if you are saying there is no strategy, you should never have played WoW.
I did the same, and seeing NCSoft put L2 on the road to the ways WoW used to be back in the day is disappointing. When did I say there is no strategy in WoW? There's always been more strategy in WoW. Diversity existed alot more in L2 than WoW up until recently.
All the classes from the same class archetype are kinda the same lol,they all do the same,with diferent sprites or self buffs.There are very minor diferences betwen say nuker or archer classes,WoW has indeed a much deeper class specialization than the old L2 classes.
That's what I mean. Many classes in L2 have the same skills pattern, as nukers: vortex-slug-basic nuke, for example, while a fire mage, for example, is very different from a frost or arcane mage in wow.
I did the same, and seeing NCSoft put L2 on the road to the ways WoW used to be back in the day is disappointing. When did I say there is no strategy in WoW? There's always been more strategy in WoW. Diversity existed alot more in L2 than WoW up until recently.
You need to consider that L2 has very little character developtment,you can learn all skills,there is no skill tree and the only real customization is Dyes/Gear(aside terribly outdated character creation lol).
I still think Tera sux. I don't like the game mechanics. Has nothing to do with competition. The game is not what they claimed it to be and it's boring. Most people only play their free 30 days and return to the game they played before claim xxx game sux. Just because you like it doesn't mean it's a good game. It's not bad because I dislike the game. I stated an opinion. Like someone else said it's L2 with better graphics. Same dev team means massively ignoring NA customers and only half releasing content on NA servers. I deal with that in L2 but I am not starting a new game for the same crap under a different company name. Plus a game that's been out a year in Korea should play much smoother then Tera does.
Nah, i just find people very close minded and go straight to flame and acusations without fully seeing everything. I too thot Tera wasn't such a big deal, i still don't think it's a big deal, but it's worth to play it imo becoz it offers what players want, if you agree it's just l2 with betters graphics, then you agree L2 players like it lol because its the "same thing".
Yet i find it very diferent, for starters i used a gamepad, that doesn't work quite well on L2.
The downside of L2 is how it has the worst FPS rate ever seen to mankind..! We just need new engine and we are good to continue on atracting ppl, i know that if i started now and starting to have FPS drop like a rocket the way it does, i'd quit right away (+ the lol sieges) but since i play for so long...
Nah, i just find people very close minded and go straight to flame and acusations without fully seeing everything. I too thot Tera wasn't such a big deal, i still don't think it's a big deal, but it's worth to play it imo becoz it offers what players want, if you agree it's just l2 with betters graphics, then you agree L2 players like it lol because its the "same thing".
Yet i find it very diferent, for starters i used a gamepad, that doesn't work quite well on L2.
The downside of L2 is how it has the worst FPS rate ever seen to mankind..! We just need new engine and we are good to continue on atracting ppl, i know that if i started now and starting to have FPS drop like a rocket the way it does, i'd quit right away (+ the lol sieges) but since i play for so long...
Yes I admit it's like L2 but considering Plaync sued Bluehole Studio (now En Masse Entertainment) over the codes sold to them by a former Plaync Employ. It's been long known Tera was suppose to be L3. There are differences too. It was a step back towards an action game like Lineage with L2 style world and better graphics then both. If it was L3 I still wouldn't be playing though. Just doesn't grab my attention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOlbeR7j8uA
There are many google links that are dated for 2012 on this but I knew of the lawsuit back in 2009. Most of En Masse's Dev team are former Plaync employees. If I recall correctly the codes in question were sold in 2007 or 2008.
Since we all know that MANY L2 players test Tera and actually like it (cos of the old L2 dudes and their way to think about gameplay) and that there is also a HUGE fanbase for Diablo, what are your plans to counter the coming loss of players?
There is already a lot of talk going on in L2 / on fansites etc. about who will leave, recruiting players to start as a group and so on.
You have to act NOW to counter that BEFORE the players will leave.
Tell us how you wanna stop this, because many that think about to leave could be bound to L2 then.
1. The way to keep people in L2 is to provide the best content for the best price. Not threats or legal proceedings.
2. GW2 is also coming soon and it is another NCSoft game, but a lot more beautiful with a new engine. They will not do anything to GW2 to stop players from going their, cos they ll fight their own.
3. Have you really seen Tera? I have a black and white tv and I bought myself a full HD, tomorrow it will arrive if you get what I am saying. I ll be around in L2 because it is f2p and some friends prefer black and white, but way more casual.
Lineage 2 HAD something no other games had...then those 35 classes turned into 8. Then it was like we were playing WoW.
What limitations does Lineage 2 have that make it so unique? Please, name them. Name their limitations that no other MMO has ever had. Class restriction isn't a limitation, it's just a race-specific value in this game that make it so we don't have more than the previously gigantic amount of classes.
L2 doesn't show that you can't be anything you want to be if you're willing to fight for yourself. If you fight for yourself and win, the BRGRBGhuehue's will bring in their Awakened toon to counteract your lowbie and grief you. Wanna know where I've seen that behavior stem from? WoW.
Hey Dav, you are who you are? Last I checked, there are only 8 classes in end-game here now, not 35. Shockingly, you're either a warrior, wizard, healer, rogue, tank, buffer, summoner, archer. Wanna know of a game that had those 8 classes at the same timeframe it opened? WoW. How is it a popular game like WoW IMPROVED on their 8 class maximum, and yet over the years L2 has digressed from 35 to 8?
Stone of Destiny and subclasses can prove dwarves are capable of magic. Without that stone, your dwarf will always be a fighter. Subclasses consider the toon in question a member of said race, you're still not a dwarven Elemental Summoner when you pick to subclass Elemental Summoner.
What are their plans? Rolling over and dying slowly.
Class restriction IS a limitation. If you are forced into something that is a limitation. You different point of view is appreciated but my opinion about this is solid.
Notice that I never said that you fight for yourself. I said that through work and effort you can become anything you want. And that is true. You can become anything you want. You can't deny it because it is fact. You can make subclass and turn it into a dualclass. There are no 35 classes left. True, it hurts me as well, but what can you do about this? Nothing.
I never gave 2 cents about pvp. I rarely initiated it. I usually acted in defense. I mostly failed but sometimes I stood victorious. I enjoy the game for the efficiency of my character.
I enjoy that I can build it up slowly, step by step.
WoW is fundamentally different from L2. It had its own restrictions, but you could never break those. As a human you could never play a shaman for example. This is where L2 is unique. You have the chance to change your character instead of creating a new one. In WoW you hit 85 and the game is over. In Lineage2 you hit 99 and you can level your dualclass up (which gives more content in my opinion) and you can have 2 more subs for fun if you desire.
Do you see people with SoD nowadays? I don't. Only trough effort can you reach the things I mentioned above. (Unless they put the stone on store and you pay for it) If you are a dwarven Elemental Summonner, than you are a dwarven elemental summonner. It is obvious. And as such it is obvious that you will develop into a dwarven Wynn summonner.
Your arguments are invalid, since they are based on your negative emotions (especially hatred and disappointment) and they lack any kind of logic.
You didn't prove me wrong you just tried to make me look stupid. You have failed. I have my own opinion and I hold myself to it. You have the right to disagree.
are u insane? last time i checked my Human Duelist lost all sense of uniqueness when i turned him into a Tyrr.
have you even awakened yet?
Your human duelist was NEVER unique. There were hundreds of the same character. Only your class was unique, not your character. In fact even your class was kind of very similar to Grand Khavatari, just saying. No character is unique in Lineage 2, because they can be recreated at any time.
BUT!!!
Note that I didn't even say that characters were unique. I only said that Lineage 2 is unique, because your characters limitations could be broken.
Calling me insane only proves your lack of arguments. I have my right for my subjective opinion. Calling me insane without insight is just plain ignorance.
The more I see of D3, the more I realize why I never liked the original 2 to begin with. Tera looked amazing but then I saw gameplay videos and my interest shrank.
Nothing can beat the feel of Lineage 2. Every single other game revolves around what it looks like people running around in circles like hyper active monkeys.
I recently placed two online pre-orders for TERA for myself and my girlfriend despite never getting a chance to try the beta. I've spent a lot of money in the NC-Shop already but the addition of the Power Shirt was a huge wake-up call to me as far as L2's direction is going. Unlike the past, it's unlikely I'll ever be coming back (and I have many times as an L2 beta player) as now I'll be permanently handicapped against anyone who has the stat boosts from the Power Shirt.
I also have a pre-order for D3 in case I don't like TERA, but I'm actually a huge Monster Hunter fan ever since playing the original PS2 game -- and watching the gameplay reminded me of that a lot (especially the Lance and bow charging).
That said, I don't think ANY game can kill L2. Only NC Soft can, and they seem to be doing a good job lately. GoD was an amazing addition to L2, but the cash item stuff has gotten out of hand and already caused irreparable damage. NC ought to pull a Squeenix and replace their director of operations.
The more I see of D3, the more I realize why I never liked the original 2 to begin with. Tera looked amazing but then I saw gameplay videos and my interest shrank.
Nothing can beat the feel of Lineage 2. Every single other game revolves around what it looks like people running around in circles like hyper active monkeys.
yeah right. tera is lacking the realistic character movements etc., i also watch the pvp videos, sorry to say guys im not satisfied. its more like a dynasty warrior type game with a shrek riding on a crazy donkey like horse
Lineage 2 HAD something no other games had...then those 35 classes turned into 8. Then it was like we were playing WoW.
What limitations does Lineage 2 have that make it so unique? Please, name them. Name their limitations that no other MMO has ever had. Class restriction isn't a limitation, it's just a race-specific value in this game that make it so we don't have more than the previously gigantic amount of classes.
L2 doesn't show that you can't be anything you want to be if you're willing to fight for yourself. If you fight for yourself and win, the BRGRBGhuehue's will bring in their Awakened toon to counteract your lowbie and grief you. Wanna know where I've seen that behavior stem from? WoW.
Hey Dav, you are who you are? Last I checked, there are only 8 classes in end-game here now, not 35. Shockingly, you're either a warrior, wizard, healer, rogue, tank, buffer, summoner, archer. Wanna know of a game that had those 8 classes at the same timeframe it opened? WoW. How is it a popular game like WoW IMPROVED on their 8 class maximum, and yet over the years L2 has digressed from 35 to 8?
Stone of Destiny and subclasses can prove dwarves are capable of magic. Without that stone, your dwarf will always be a fighter. Subclasses consider the toon in question a member of said race, you're still not a dwarven Elemental Summoner when you pick to subclass Elemental Summoner.
What are their plans? Rolling over and dying slowly.
There were 35 'classes' all of which were either a healer.dagger.tank.fighter.summoner.archer.buffer. nuker. Different skill sets yes, but fundamentally all the same.
The uniqueness came from each persons play style. Which still continues now.
You were locked into certain race/classes even before GoD so whats the qq?
The Lineage 2 players doesn't care about another games. As the players of another games doesn't care too about another games.
Who want go to play with these games lets go nobody doesn't hold him or her back.
I would like to use this forum to get informations about the Lineage 2 or NCwest and I'm not interesting about the another MMOs or their companies.
I really not tolerate, that some d3 or tera fun boys spam the forum with useless informations.
Who plays Lineage 2, this one plays because he likes to play, and how do you think, that you come here and, provoke the Lineage 2 players on their official forum why they play with Lineage 2 or if they/we try to defend it, than you just call them to idiot hardcore l2 players.
That said, I don't think ANY game can kill L2. Only NC Soft can, and they seem to be doing a good job lately. GoD was an amazing addition to L2, but the cash item stuff has gotten out of hand and already caused irreparable damage. NC ought to pull a Squeenix and replace their director of operations.
NC could never follow the masterpiece steps of SE:D
The Lineage 2 players doesn't care about another games. As the players of another games doesn't care too about another games.
Who want go to play with these games lets go nobody doesn't hold him or her back.
I would like to use this forum to get informations about the Lineage 2 or NCwest and I'm not interesting about the another MMOs or their companies.
I really not tolerate, that some d3 or tera fun boys spam the forum with useless informations.
Who plays Lineage 2, this one plays because he likes to play, and how do you think, that you come here and, provoke the Lineage 2 players on their official forum why they play with Lineage 2 or if they/we try to defend it, than you just call them to idiot hardcore l2 players.
What kind of peoples you are????
Hey there Profeta 2.0. Not sure why you are worried about people asking if NC will step up something in order to keep the game going a few years longer. Burying your head in the sand and saying no other games exist is silly, and would be the #1 reason all of a sudden you try to log in and see a "Servers Turned off" message. NC Soft has done it to alot of other games, L2 could easily be in the same boat. In my eyes the people fighting to get them to do something are the ones that actually want the servers to still be on when they login in 2014.
And I did play the TERA beta. I can honestly say there were more people there talking about their old games flaws/strengths then then were people talking about TERA. I do admit though, the game is ALOT different then L2. Some people will love the change some with totally hate it. Most MMO's have a targeting system where you select the mob you want to attack, then you use your characters skills to attack and kill it. /next target /F1 /F2 /Mob dead /next target. TERA plays alot like an action video game, strangely I compared it to a 3D Mario World in my head. Alot of the play style videos I watched, people were playing the game like they were still playing a targeting style MMO. Where the game gets fun is when you are dodging the Mob blows, getting behind it and slashing it, kiting the mob, ect. You could actually go up to a mob 20 levels above you and kill it if you really knew how to make your character fight. Something you can't do in a regular MMO. Not saying that this is better, its more personal preference. I loved the change, but at the same time I knew I could never pull off an 8 hour grind session in the game because your hands would be worn out. I also love FPS games like Battlefield 3. Most people here will probably hate that game. Its not that 1 type of game is better then the other, but people's preference.
The only thing I can say, don't put your entire life into 1 and only 1 video game, especially a game that you need to rely on a different company to be making a profit to be keeping the game running or 1 day you will be totally lost. It's not a marriage, your L2 game client isn't going to call you a cheating $%$% when it notices you installed Aion on the side. :)
The Lineage 2 players doesn't care about another games. As the players of another games doesn't care too about another games.
Who want go to play with these games lets go nobody doesn't hold him or her back.
I would like to use this forum to get informations about the Lineage 2 or NCwest and I'm not interesting about the another MMOs or their companies.
I really not tolerate, that some d3 or tera fun boys spam the forum with useless informations.
Who plays Lineage 2, this one plays because he likes to play, and how do you think, that you come here and, provoke the Lineage 2 players on their official forum why they play with Lineage 2 or if they/we try to defend it, than you just call them to idiot hardcore l2 players.
What kind of peoples you are????
WE are free to discuss whatever we desire.
If you are disgusted by this phenomena, please proceed to another forum, or just ignore the existence of threads, that are not related to L2.
Tera will be it's own death. I tried beta and dropped the game. It's not interesting at all. Not what they claimed it to be either. D3 I believe will be killed by bots/farmers and rl money cost to play. I'll see you all back in l2 by the time you 30 days are up.
and l2 doesnt have bots or farmers? what game have you been playing the last 9 years?
I was expecting the great mouse control interface like L2 has
& just having to position & aim your toon alot more to do combat.
Instead it was just keyboard / game controller based control so....No Tera 4 Me.
Once you get used to it,it's really not that horrid. I wasn't overly fond of it at first,but kept playing and learned a little of how to use it. I'm not 100% comfy with it,but I don't think it'll take long. For people who haven't played wow or rift it's a major adjustment. L2 was all I played so it was really different.
It was a nightmare for me to play TERA, I had no idea how can you properly use skills and move at the same time, but since I got used to it, it was okay.
What other mmorpgs are there with point and click?
It was a nightmare for me to play TERA, I had no idea how can you properly use skills and move at the same time, but since I got used to it, it was okay.
What other mmorpgs are there with point and click?
LOL I had the same problem. I was like how in the F do it move,aim and use skills at the same time? I don't think it's efficient,but that's probably because I'm not used to it.
I think point and click is outdated actually. Most games don't use it.
Tera is a minor threat to lineage 2 because it is p2p. Personally the lag in L2 in my part of the EU became so bad that I can't play L2 well anyway. Tera controls I prefer now, after I got used to it.
This weekends GW2 beta testing was filled. You couldnt even make a character on the countless EU servers. But why should you concern yourself with countering anything? What ever people prefer, whatever is most entertaining.
The personalization of the characters in l2 is very limited, perhaps the store could offer more interesting helmets. Not only funny hats. Many of the items are XP related and funny hats. Offer 20 different helmets, 20 different hairstyles and faces etc.
Not one game can appeal to everyone. Some won't like the movement or controls or skills or the look/feel of it. Play what you like best.
NCSoft killed L2 for me. Between the bots/adena selling, unwillingness to listen to their player base and constant nerfs (or ill advised boosts - pick your choice). There was just too much to take. L2 was the game for me for 8 years. I tried WOW and hated it, but then I found some other less known MMOs that have better design and keep bots away.
I play TERA now and I'm having a blast - better than I ever felt with L2. GW2 looks promising as well. If you been stuck with L2 for a long time - wake up and try something else.
Obviously your rigs can't handle it... go back to your 8 year old previous generation game. You guys are dinosaurs, old and slow and irrelevant. Soon to be extinct.
I feel sorry for all my friends who still play this game and WoW refuse to accept change and the greener pastures ahead.
NCSoft just throws in some new content, max lvl 999 and a trillion of tragic events like tersi's light. In their own little perfect world, thats enough
I still like L2,but I'm playing Tera more these days. If you hate it so much just leave. You don't need to trash NC then praise them because of another game, you're just being bi-polar now.
I was not all that impressed with Tera. D3 will become a mad race RMT game luring more and more people into buying for RL cash. Don't want to become part of that.
Different folks,different strokes. Everyone has an idea of what they like in games and will defend it until the bitter end. That being said you can have a new game hyped up to no end and when you've dropped your $75 for the super ultimate rage hard collector's edition with all betas and in game swagger only to find out the game blows to you and not someone else. I happen to find Tera very fun and have no interest in diablo 3 despite it's hype. I don't see the point of raging over what game is better. D3 isn't even out yet so you can't compare it to Tera and whatever else.