As a temporary fix against Real Money Trading (RMT), the Adena amount rewards for the 1-40 Newbie Quest Series has been reduced to 1% of its original amount.
The Magmeld and Shilen servers have been set back on their correct timezone, after a technical glitch in last week's maintenance that caused the two servers' time zone settings to switch.
As a temporary fix against Real Money Trading (RMT), the Adena amount rewards for the 1-40 Newbie Quest Series has been reduced to 1% of its original amount.
Oh snap! Does this mean it will be changed back at some point?
As a temporary fix against Real Money Trading (RMT), the Adena amount rewards for the 1-40 Newbie Quest Series has been reduced to 1% of its original amount.
Maybe forbid creating new chars/accounts then too? How should a new guy without any friends on the server start playing if he has no money at all?
Exping beyond 40 lvl is not hard and most of RMT guys should already have higher chars, there are many quests with adena these days, you should consider cutting their rewards down too.
And remove drop of unidentified items, they can be sold to shops for adena...
If you can't stop auto-parties from exping packs of newbies ofc there is the only way - remove adena rewards. Good job :D
Belophan, the key word is "bots" there, isn't it?
well, maybe I sound like the one who sells adena and is hurt by the change but I honestly don't know why they can't work on better anti-bot system.
People won't farm adena manually this way, well, they will but not so many people and not so long, it's dam tiring afterall.
As a temporary fix against Real Money Trading (RMT), the Adena amount rewards for the 1-40 Newbie Quest Series has been reduced to 1% of its original amount.
As a temporary fix against Real Money Trading (RMT), the Adena amount rewards for the 1-40 Newbie Quest Series has been reduced to 1% of its original amount.
:eek: 1% x few= few !
How can someone get LOTS of billions to sell with some few hundreads of adena/char? Until lvl 40 a char gets a max of 1.5 M! Have you thought about Billions from clans that own castles? Why you dont abolish taxes?? I dream may be... but ... in the past some clan leaders have been banned for adena trade. IMO is here the source of adena trade: taxes->clan leader-> trade (after drop/pickup to a char on an account with a different IP -coffee PC for instance).
Abolish rewards?? Mark of king has been abolished and now no1 do campaingns! All campaings are failed!
Rich ppl are in good clans with castles! think about this! It's a joke to think that they own billions by creating little new chars! or doing quests! to trade money you need to get a source of billions/day and this is not accomplished by creating little baby chars!!! have you thought about cheat programs to create adena? if they exist I don't know!
As a temporary fix against Real Money Trading (RMT), the Adena amount rewards for the 1-40 Newbie Quest Series has been reduced to 1% of its original amount.
Really? Is that where you think the adena comes from? How about starting to ban bots in MoS? Or lower the adena drop there if banning bots is too difficult for you guys. One bot there makes 1 mil there in 5 minutes or so.
Really? Is that where you think the adena comes from? How about starting to ban bots in MoS? Or lower the adena drop there if banning bots is too difficult for you guys. One bot there makes 1 mil there in 5 minutes or so.
Bots alone don't win enough money to sell! Castle'owners with taxes and manor get Billions each day to sell! I know this since 6 years ago but NCSoft doesn't.
Is just ridiculous to reduce 1% from 15.00 - 150.000 adena/quest on newborn chars! R I D I C U L O U S
You guys are clueless, yet again you punish legit players whilst allowing the RMT's to flourish like you've been doing for the last 8 years...
This is not going to affect the RMT's at all
Want to stop RMT ? Sell adena in the store for a price that cripples the RMT's to the point it's not economically viable for them to sell adena anymore
As a temporary fix against Real Money Trading (RMT), the Adena amount rewards for the 1-40 Newbie Quest Series has been reduced to 1% of its original amount.
hah... but isn't it also the real top D weapon that is also worth botting for? that can be sold to store, as well as the 3 quest ewd, to make cash
anyway the adena rewards for that quest were already far too lavish compared to how things used to be, especially since people get all shots and gear they need free now for quite some time
:eek: 1% x few= few !
How can someone get LOTS of billions to sell with some few hundreads of adena/char? Until lvl 40 a char gets a max of 1.5 M! Have you thought about Billions from clans that own castles? Why you dont abolish taxes?? I dream may be... but ... in the past some clan leaders have been banned for adena trade. IMO is here the source of adena trade: taxes->clan leader-> trade (after drop/pickup to a char on an account with a different IP -coffee PC for instance).
Obviously you do something wrong when leveling lowbies. A level 40 character will get around 3m after finishing all the quests. Currently, most of low level bots stop around level 32 and have around 2m. Run 10, 15 or 20 of them at the same time (as long as you have the script which does it) and you get tons of money, literraly. Let's imagine I run 20 characters, It's 40m / hour. Do hit 10 hours a day it's 400m a day, i.e. 2.8b / week. And you don't need to spend anything else, just launch a stupid script and you can't be bothered while doing it. It was the safest way for cheaters to make adena.
1% of what they get will be too ridiculous for them to continue, and I expect a purge of low level chars farming those quests.
hah... but isn't it also the real top D weapon that is also worth botting for? that can be sold to store, as well as the 3 quest ewd, to make cash
During the last week maintenance, the weapon has been changed to an unidentified one which is worth a lot less at shop :)
Bots alone don't win enough money to sell! Castle'owners with taxes and manor get Billions each day to sell! I know this since 6 years ago but NCSoft doesn't.
Getting adena from the taxes/manor system is working as intended. It's a main feature of the game. Why should we delete it if some user use it badly (and if it's the case, it's the first time I hear this conspiracry theory). I am glad I am still able to drive my car since there are people using a car to do bad things with it (drug traffic for example). Castle are not what you are imaginating: manor never gived great benefits, and it's close to none since GoD because the old mats are not usefull at all. Taxes ? The amount of money is minor, even if it will greatly change with the Tauti update.
You guys are clueless, yet again you punish legit players whilst allowing the RMT's to flourish like you've been doing for the last 8 years...
This is not going to affect the RMT's at all
Want to stop RMT ? Sell adena in the store for a price that cripples the RMT's to the point it's not economically viable for them to sell adena anymore
But of course you won't do this because alot of your profits come from these very same RMT's so you'll act like you're trying to combat the problem when in actuality you do little anything because getting rid of them will lose you so much money. However that loss of money would be countered by new money coming in from store sales of adena.
But you don't want a simple approach to finally fix the problem do you..........
Do you have any good example to prove that your economical system would be working ? Selling Adena in the store, just lol. Think about the game today, and see all the dramas about items affecting gameplay you can/could buy in the store (DEWR, Power Shirt). I am sorry for you, but you won't find here a random private server when you can come anyday, spend 100$ and catch up with others because you "donated" and got a red glowing weapon. The adena grind is a whole part of this game, and it's not impossible at all to make millions of adena in one week by staying legit. RMT is a problem ? Of course it is, but it's not by legalizing it it will works better. The game will just be rotten, what the point of grinding and farming adena if you can get them ingame for real money ? In fact this game will just be a game where the richer people will win, and good luck with 400 players doing that on 5 different servers. It would simply kill the game
hah... but isn't it also the real top D weapon that is also worth botting for? that can be sold to store, as well as the 3 quest ewd, to make cash
anyway the adena rewards for that quest were already far too lavish compared to how things used to be, especially since people get all shots and gear they need free now for quite some time
the weapon was already changed to un identified in a previous maintenance and ppl here obviously don't realize how many bots are run daily through as a run from lvl1-40 takes 2hrs for which they run non stop scripts that generates accounts..
as others said before real newbie chars get everything for free till 85 so why would they need that much adena anyways hmm ?
As a temporary fix against Real Money Trading (RMT), the Adena amount rewards for the 1-40 Newbie Quest Series has been reduced to 1% of its original amount.
:eek: 1% x few= few !
How can someone get LOTS of billions to sell with some few hundreads of adena/char? Until lvl 40 a char gets a max of 1.5 M! Have you thought about Billions from clans that own castles? Why you dont abolish taxes?? I dream may be... but ... in the past some clan leaders have been banned for adena trade. IMO is here the source of adena trade: taxes->clan leader-> trade (after drop/pickup to a char on an account with a different IP -coffee PC for instance).
Abolish rewards?? Mark of king has been abolished and now no1 do campaingns! All campaings are failed!
Rich ppl are in good clans with castles! think about this! It's a joke to think that they own billions by creating little new chars! or doing quests! to trade money you need to get a source of billions/day and this is not accomplished by creating little baby chars!!! have you thought about cheat programs to create adena? if they exist I don't know!
I don't think you understand how the farmers are actually doing it, good for you I suppose... Here is my guess on why noob toons are still quite lucrative: using out-of-game botting programs, one computer can run many game instances as it uses much less system resources than a full in-game client. If say 1 computer runs 20 bots at a time, each doing quest for perhaps 2 hours, makes 1.5m per bot per 2h, in 1 day makes 360m adena to sell, which is decent amount. Then multiply that by however many computers they have, and maybe it can run even more clients per computer, or do the quest faster than that. That does add up to billions.
frankly I don't understand this obsession with castle owners. yes some clan leaders and high lvl ppl sell adena, but I don't think they are the main suppliers of adena for all the rmt sites. I don't think castle owners make billions in taxes a day, but I will ask...
hah... but isn't it also the real top D weapon that is also worth botting for? that can be sold to store, as well as the 3 quest ewd, to make cash
That has been already changed into an unidentified random weapon.
the weapon was already changed to un identified in a previous maintenance and ppl here obviously don't realize how many bots are run daily through as a run from lvl1-40 takes 2hrs for which they run non stop scripts that generates accounts..
as others said before real newbie chars get everything for free till 85 so why would they need that much adena anyways hmm ?
edit: pony beat me to it lolz
ah k, but I did also get a real C grade weapon by chance on my noob when I went to identify it XD
but anyway yes, new players in no way need that much adena to get by, I was like lvl 12 and had 500k or something, wtf?
and to beat dead horse... why it always take so long for NC to figure this stuff out that should be REALLY OBVIOUS
and to beat dead horse... why it always take so long for NC to figure this stuff out that should be REALLY OBVIOUS
I guess the main problem is that they don't have any people related to a dev team in Seattle. They have a QA department yet, but mostly it will check for bugs / flaw in the game and send report to the development team. If NCWest want a change, they have to ask it specifically to Seoul.
So In fact it may be something like
1. Figure a problem
2. Try to find a solution
3. Explain and categorize the process under the solution
4. Send the request to the dev team
5. Dev team waiting for approval
6. Do the fix
7. Send it in a nice package to Seattle
8. Apply it.
Even if some steps are really quick, it may be easy to loose time in such a chain. I may be wrong still about the inner functionnement of NCWest :)
I know, but it's just so funny, and this is a very long-time recurring problem we see with all kinds of things NC does, that if the dev team had stopped to think about critically for 5 minutes before creation would never have been implemented and cause massive problems the first place ...
only thing I can say is problems are getting fixed relatively faster now than before, which is to say, within 3-6 months instead of years-never
Do you have any good example to prove that your economical system would be working ?
8 years of RMT is example enough to prove that there is a viable economy for profitable trading of adena for real money. If they didn't make money they wouldn't do it, the fact they've been doing it in this game for 8 years is proof enough that money can and is being made.
I am sorry for you, but you won't find here a random private server when you can come anyday, spend 100$ and catch up with others because you "donated" and got a red glowing weapon. The adena grind is a whole part of this game, and it's not impossible at all to make millions of adena in one week by staying legit. RMT is a problem ? Of course it is, but it's not by legalizing it it will works better. The game will just be rotten, what the point of grinding and farming adena if you can get them ingame for real money ? In fact this game will just be a game where the richer people will win, and good luck with 400 players doing that on 5 different servers. It would simply kill the game
Are you for real ? We already have this situation, besides people already buy adena from RMT's and the game is not the "sky is falling" scenario you try to paint. You will still have to grind experience regardless of how much adenas you have, buying adena isn't paying to win unlike these power shirts...
Why are you in favour of NOT putting RMT's out of business ?
You dont need much adena until u reach 85 since u get everything for free...
and the bots only go to lvl 32 or so
then they repeat the process
till 90 -.-, after 86 you can get free weap armor and jewel and shot to, you get 40 diploma
All guys shouting that 1-40 is not proffitable shuld take a look on TI, how many chars named like 43jhgs is runing from npc to npc.
Run 100 chars/day for reward, lets say 500k (i think there is no full support bot for lvl 40). It's 50kk/day. And from what I can see there is much more chars then 100/day.
Getting castle is not free, and u have to fight for it. Setup few hundreds bot process on shell is almost free.
well, the problem is that the farmers make the bots when the GMs are not online, so even if they could ban them...
So every morning you have sql server run a report on all new peeps made. You see what is going on with that adena, delete the toons, delete the money trail, and start to log the IPs to track if there is a pattern that can be blocked at the router.
Could be integrated into the morning coffee routine, generate report to email for the support staff to refer too when the QQ'ing starts. Rinse, lather repeat.
This was a legit way for real players to fund their other toons too so it is akin to banning a gun because some people use it for crimes.
As a temporary fix against Real Money Trading (RMT), the Adena amount rewards for the 1-40 Newbie Quest Series has been reduced to 1% of its original amount.
I'm glad that this is temporary, because we all know the real problem is not the rewards, it's the bots. If you don't ban the bots, they will just make 100x more bots to compensate. (ok, maybe not 100x, but you get the idea)
And please, as mentionned by another used, there must be a warning when creating a new char that this is a "temporary reduced reward period". It does not seem fair that people joining the game during this period will get almost no reward compared to those who joined before or those who will join in the future.
All guys shouting that 1-40 is not proffitable shuld take a look on TI, how many chars named like 43jhgs is runing from npc to npc.
Actually YOU should be the one to take a look on TI how many chars like that are running around. The endless supply of bots w4hgr43 after gd5gttd after dgge523 has STOPPED already for a whole week. I know that because I used to kill those bots (often for hours) with a red specifically made for that, and after last maintenance the flow of bots completely stopped (at least on Magmeld).
Now I have a level 24 permared parked in Ye Sagira at the area where you have to follow the dog and he has nothing to do anymore :)
PS: For a little while I actually thought NCSoft had managed to really DO something against the bots, like figuring out a way to detect and autokick them. But it seems the only reason the bots stopped running the questline is that the top D weapon from the quest now is unidentified instead of normal. Well, even when they could not prevent the bots from botting, at least they managed to change the game in a way that this particular botting behaviour became unattractive, which is nice too I guess.
w/o botting 90+ ppl if play in constant party 8h+ per day can make 4-5b per week easy so what for you need scripts/3rd programs? only ******ed people who forgot how to play witrh hands are using scripts.
Many ppl using scripts for pvp/pve botting and olympiad. They got reported many times and they are still playing and keep botting. They are much more smart than NCsoft.
ON shillen half or more players only keep botting to get adena and sell for real cash, and events like colecting letters make them happy :cool:
(ToNCSOFT) think about events where ppl cannot use bots to take it. or event items drops at high lvl locations. Letters funny event, get 40lvl char go to ant nest and aoe= 15 letters in 1 min easy? go to garden of genesis= 1 letter in 15min
Letters funny event, get 40lvl char go to ant nest and aoe= 15 letters in 1 min easy? go to garden of genesis= 1 letter in 15min
Ants are killed with a stomp of your foot, GoG mobs are miniraids.
See the difference?
Don't generalize that way.
I don't know in what city/state do you live in brazil to say that. But it must be bad to be you.
are u from brasil? if so, i guess u live in a parallel universe.
the staff/gm have info about the ips bans, they can confirm/prove what i just say.
btw, buy VEJA magazine and read about PT, mensalão, and other stuff. the futebol lovers killing each other. Drug dealers, favelas, last time i saw on tv one psychoanalyst involved in a crime of racial injury, dont forget the old family that sold snacks made of human flesh, even FAST AND FURIOUS 5 shows right and straight what i just say.
but i guess u live in a different brasil, i m right?
aren't you the guy who was crying about letters right now?
Seems that he failed to detect the basic rule of event item drops: farm lower HP mobs, don't go to 10x HP mobs.
Well, I've said it before (probably going back to 2004) and I'll say it again, any attempt to stop botting that affects RL players is bad (captcha, reducing rewards, etc). I know some think that this is a good idea but I respectfully disagree.
This is a cop-out, plain and simple. It is a blatantly admission that NCSoft is unable to stop these hordes of bots before they even log on. I know it's a continuing arms race between you two but you've just thrown in the towel. You're saying, "We can't stop them so we'll just nerf the rewards".
Why don't u take notes from EVE online. There 1 server with 55,000 players during peak days hardly has any RMT due to it's design. They truly know how to run a game.
By saying that you have 30 friends and they are not worth anything doesn't prove brazilian people bot. It only proves that you are bad or unlucky making friends.
Anyway, this discussion is more then pointless.
About the thread:
I like the temporary RMT fix, it may solve the T.I. bots.
There are a lot of other bots that everyone has seen that you could take a look, like the full pt bots on harnak 1-2. Some time ago me and some friends went there to make them die for mobs. We realized that they are very well configurated, but we succeed and got a lot of fun.
Sace, do you plan to solve the automatic SS not working sometimes after you teleport? This issue was way worst before some update, but it still exists and it is annoying.
By saying that you have 30 friends and they are not worth anything doesn't prove brazilian people bot. It only proves that you are bad or unlucky making friends.
Anyway, this discussion is more then pointless.
About the thread:
I like the temporary RMT fix, it may solve the T.I. bots.
There are a lot of other bots that everyone has seen that you could take a look, like the full pt bots on harnak 1-2. Some time ago me and some friends went there to make them die for mobs. We realized that they are very well configurated, but we succeed and got a lot of fun.
Sace, do you plan to solve the automatic SS not working sometimes after you teleport? This issue was way worst before some update, but it still exists and it is annoying.
Maybe forbid creating new chars/accounts then too? How should a new guy without any friends on the server start playing if he has no money at all?
I started before GOD with no such quests that give away adena. Was super easy, with items being now given away, i cannot understand how you think it will be hard.
As a temporary fix against Real Money Trading (RMT), the Adena amount rewards for the 1-40 Newbie Quest Series has been reduced to 1% of its original amount.
Well, I've said it before (probably going back to 2004) and I'll say it again, any attempt to stop botting that affects RL players is bad (captcha, reducing rewards, etc). I know some think that this is a good idea but I respectfully disagree.
This is a cop-out, plain and simple. It is a blatantly admission that NCSoft is unable to stop these hordes of bots before they even log on. I know it's a continuing arms race between you two but you've just thrown in the towel. You're saying, "We can't stop them so we'll just nerf the rewards".
I'm glad that this is temporary, because we all know the real problem is not the rewards, it's the bots. If you don't ban the bots, they will just make 100x more bots to compensate. (ok, maybe not 100x, but you get the idea)
And please, as mentionned by another used, there must be a warning when creating a new char that this is a "temporary reduced reward period". It does not seem fair that people joining the game during this period will get almost no reward compared to those who joined before or those who will join in the future.
To reiterate, the Adena reward change is a temporary fix. In in all cases, however, a new character can get what they need from the Path to Awakening.
Sace, do you plan to solve the automatic SS not working sometimes after you teleport? This issue was way worst before some update, but it still exists and it is annoying.
This is a common issue but it generally related to user-side lag and it does not affect all players. You can ask other players or contact the support team for advice on how to reduce lag.
Any info about when the Vesper duals will be added in the support pack we get when we hit the 80th level?
We do not have an ETA for the fix at this time, but it is being worked on and it will be mentioned in maintenance patch notes once its ready to be implemented.
Is the truly-free site getting fixed?
atm i have to change browser all the time..
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right GOD had 3-4 good fixes and you removed all +plus some more changes you felt like doing.
By the way do you know about how much adena an average player besides spoiler make till he reaches 80? About 13m...
Besides what'sthe fun if you can't do anything till you reach 80 besides going to path of awakening. You removed the sailren q so people can xp slower and stay more in lvls 78-85 and you reduced the adena on characters 1-40. right...
1) For example an average mage who wants to become 20 usually buys devotion cause the armor q gives is crap light for fighters.
2) to buy shots to 20 lvls you need to a) never wear d grade so you have passes for shots
b) gather adena to buy shots and use passes to buy d grade clothes.
SO basically 1-40 will become a robot style play that will focus only on lvling up.So no fun in anything.... no chosing equipement, no potions buying, no shots buying, no accesories buying, just q and lvl till 4-5 hours pass and you hate this game for giving you 0 freedom and dropping it....
3) If you look at it in a more distant look you can chose to do everyday qs to gather money from 40-85 nad take about 100000m days to lvl up or you can check the fast xp hunting grounds and get few adena but xp fast so u can see the new game in 85. -3m adena helps being this game more boring. Not to mention s grade shots you still need to craft/buy though u get weapons s from path of awakening....
Anyway -1 from me for that change... That's all , my opinion.
OH and the most important thing. Why all legit players have to suffer for the ones that real money trade?
So you are punishing legits in favor of cheaters? wow +1 ...
Actually, Immortal good enough for being 85/86. After that they can get into good clans and get help getting better gear, or farm adena and buy better gear.
right GOD had 3-4 good fixes and you removed all +plus some more changes you felt like doing.
By the way do you know about how much adena an average player besides spoiler make till he reaches 80? About 13m...
Besides what'sthe fun if you can't do anything till you reach 80 besides going to path of awakening. You removed the sailren q so people can xp slower and stay more in lvls 78-85 and you reduced the adena on characters 1-40. right...
1) For example an average mage who wants to become 20 usually buys devotion cause the armor q gives is crap light for fighters.
2) to buy shots to 20 lvls you need to a) never wear d grade so you have passes for shots
b) gather adena to buy shots and use passes to buy d grade clothes.
SO basically 1-40 will become a robot style play that will focus only on lvling up.So no fun in anything.... no chosing equipement, no potions buying, no shots buying, no accesories buying, just q and lvl till 4-5 hours pass and you hate this game for giving you 0 freedom and dropping it....
3) If you look at it in a more distant look you can chose to do everyday qs to gather money from 40-85 nad take about 100000m days to lvl up or you can check the fast xp hunting grounds and get few adena but xp fast so u can see the new game in 85. -3m adena helps being this game more boring. Not to mention s grade shots you still need to craft/buy though u get weapons s from path of awakening....
Anyway -1 from me for that change... That's all , my opinion.
OH and the most important thing. Why all legit players have to suffer for the ones that real money trade?
So you are punishing legits in favor of cheaters? wow +1 ...
Stopped reading there. You have to be super bad at this game to only make 13M going frmo 41 to 80, and even that's being generous.
The rewards needed to be nerfed.
Love how people complain about the 100 dwarves and say something needs to be done then when something is done they cry about what was done...
It's become really hard to take anyone who posts here seriously on these matters.
Love how people complain about the 100 dwarves and say something needs to be done then when something is done they cry about what was done...
It won't stop the bots though, this is the problem. If it effectively stopped all RMT then I'm sure most people would agree with the decision but they've basically put a bandaid on a broken leg and kissed it better thinking everything will be fine. It's clear that after 8 years botters are pretty resilient and determined to stay. The only way to stop them is to kill their business and there are various methods to go about this AND result in extra income for NCSoft, why the company doesn't do this is beyond me
This is a common issue but it generally related to user-side lag and it does not affect all players. You can ask other players or contact the support team for advice on how to reduce lag.
I think this is not lag related. I don't have lag and I never had.
Anyway I got used to check SS every teleport. Annoying but this is a "solution".
Since the maintenance, gate keepers are not free (not the adena is an issue just putting it out there). Also I played at least 6 hours yesterday during primetime and had zero (0) drops of letters. Im lvl83 aoeing and killing plenty fast. Ive also noticed frequent crashes when SOE since the 5/2 maintenance. None of this was an issue prior to the 5/2 maintenance. Actually come to think of it, all of this started upon the first time I used soe yesterday and crashed. Before the crashes the gatekeeper would not display adena costs, now it does.
Since the maintenance, gate keepers are not free (not the adena is an issue just putting it out there). Also I played at least 6 hours yesterday during primetime and had zero (0) drops of letters. Im lvl83 aoeing and killing plenty fast. Ive also noticed frequent crashes when SOE since the 5/2 maintenance. None of this was an issue prior to the 5/2 maintenance. Actually come to think of it, all of this started upon the first time I used soe yesterday and crashed. Before the crashes the gatekeeper would not display adena costs, now it does.
srsly tho, it is useful to actually READ the first post of this thread
"The Anniversary Letters Event shifts into it's final phase: Letters no longer drop from monsters."
Since the maintenance, gate keepers are not free (not the adena is an issue just putting it out there).
Are you drunk? Or perhaps you used the special gatekeepers, who are not free.
Also I played at least 6 hours yesterday during primetime and had zero (0) drops of letters.
The letters stopped dropping after maintenance, in case you didn't notice.
Sace I realy send lots of troll posts in bad english, but mine trolls have good ideas, thanks for hear this game sugestion.
Colorado post in 04-17-2012, 02:36 PM:
Give 10 days shadow weapons / armor.
New toons don't need new adena.
The easy exp mode since GoD don't need adena for 84- toons.
Just get equips in GoD website and make a nice smile.
Sure. Make one and we'll find out. Just because they implemented it doesn't make it a good idea. Especially since they keep saying it's temporary.
"Account Services Unavailable" is temporary too.
Tool to kick bots from server is under development since lineage 2 start. Maybe this temporary word is sarcasm.
"Account Services Unavailable" is temporary too.
Tool to kick bots from server is under development since lineage 2 start. Maybe this temporary word is sarcasm.
Who knows? The fact is that they are admitting defeat on the botting front with this change. Plain and simple. Personally, I don't care if you get 10 million or 0 adena up to level 40. That really isn't the point. The point is that they have no idea how to stop this infestation. They gave up. This is a band aid on a bullet wound.
Who knows? The fact is that they are admitting defeat on the botting front with this change. Plain and simple. Personally, I don't care if you get 10 million or 0 adena up to level 40. That really isn't the point. The point is that they have no idea how to stop this infestation. They gave up. This is a band aid on a bullet wound.
Of course, but the idea to reduce rewards for new characters is originaly mine ^^.
Is a temporary solution, and at this moment, this "temporary" really work. Yesterday I start new toon to get diplomas and I don't see any dwarf train in newbie spots.
It won't stop the bots though, this is the problem. If it effectively stopped all RMT then I'm sure most people would agree with the decision but they've basically put a bandaid on a broken leg and kissed it better thinking everything will be fine. It's clear that after 8 years botters are pretty resilient and determined to stay. The only way to stop them is to kill their business and there are various methods to go about this AND result in extra income for NCSoft, why the company doesn't do this is beyond me
You can't do something like this to stop ALL RMTing. You're setting the bar super high to give yourself legitimacy in calling it a failure.
It's impossible to stop RMT at this point because the farmers already have hundreds of high level toons to sell, hundreds of epics to sell, hundreds of OE'd gear/weapons to sell, trillions of adena to sell, etc. Just their stockpiles will carry them over for white a long while. So stopping their low level farmers from farming the quest will not stop all of it.
Before this quest was in the game they were still RMTing, they will continue RMTing with it nerfed. Simple as that.
All they had to do to put an end to this was add a one time fee to create an account. It would have basically killed the newbie RMT on the spot.
Might slow it down some but if the people had to pay a fee to create accounts to make adena to sell they'd just raise the adena price a little to compensate.
Might slow it down some but if the people had to pay a fee to create accounts to make adena to sell they'd just raise the adena price a little to compensate.
They will eventually run out of game cards and credit card numbers.
Thoughts of Elhoir...
"OMG NC can't solve bot problems and make a brazilian solution, I with my incredible mind and a compreensive english language can't create ideas like this!"
I believe you did this face when see the notice of this maintenance.
Thoughts of Elhoir...
"OMG NC can't solve bot problems and make a brazilian solution, I with my incredible mind and a compreensive english language can't create ideas like this!"
All they had to do to put an end to this was add a one time fee to create an account. It would have basically killed the newbie RMT on the spot.
What is even more important, a one-time fee to create an account would not only make newbie RMT unprofitable, but it would also make legit people think twice before they created lvl 1 characters for farming certain event items (http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=751&start=100#p11212) (like during the Tersi event) or make throwaway accounts for trolling the forums. Such a fee would be beneficial all around.
And when you convert the fee into NCoins, as suggested by Smittie, EvaSummoner and others, you could maintain the "totally free" pretense and at the same time get new players hooked on exp runes early on in their character's life. Revenue would soar :D
As a temporary fix against Real Money Trading (RMT), the Adena amount rewards for the 1-40 Newbie Quest Series has been reduced to 1% of its original amount.
The Magmeld and Shilen servers have been set back on their correct timezone, after a technical glitch in last week's maintenance that caused the two servers' time zone settings to switch.
so no adena for new toons and the path to awakening is broken for most players. Im a returning player (well i want to be) how the hell am i supposed to get by? no weps or armour or ss from TPTA (its broken tried every solution in forums nothing works beyond one attempt at item retreival if u got it u were purely lucky) and now adena rewards are 1% till 40!!?? wtf? seems like in your scramble to stop RMT u have shafted anyone trying come back and play or any chars below lv 40. I played at release of Goddess of destruction and TPTA worked perfectly fine over 3 accounts first time everytime. Lets face it for any new player theses are massive obsticles. You had it right at the start and now you broke it. Is it really that hard for you to fix it?
I think a one time fee to start an account is not a bad idea. NCWest could easily see what accounts were either started before F2P and thus exempt. Then also what accounts after F2P have purchased enough NCcoin to also be exempt.
Combine that one time fee(a key code, not unlike how many got the game before F2P) with some aggressive bot bannings and the game could get rid of some of the riffraff.
A "one-time fee" would not be consistent with a "Truly Free" model.
"Truly" Free means: free to download, free to make an account, and free to play in-game.
It is this reason that many private server players have migrated to the official servers. Taking that away to appease people that are "paying-to-win" will make many legit people leave who cannot afford to pay.
FYI, I've paid hundreds over the years, left to play private servers, and came back to spend several hundred since GoD, so I and my friends are definitely not "riff-raff," and for people like us who came back because of the Truly Free model, it's working as intended.
You guys might want to take the blinders off before making idiotic comments like charging fees. What they should do, is use some of that increased revenue to hire more GMs that work off-peak hours, and ban the hordes of RMT bots that plague places like MoS...
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