Hi ppl, i started in server, finish my iss and now i want up may main char....look for opnions for tyrr warrior or othell rogue , what is better for pve,pvp,mass pvp and oly, pls give opnions , thx ....
Hi ppl, i started in server, finish my iss and now i want up may main char....look for opnions for tyrr warrior or othell rogue , what is better for pve,pvp,mass pvp and oly, pls give opnions , thx ....
Stay on ISS its already hard to find one, with box iss you wont go far.
Stay on ISS its already hard to find one, with box iss you wont go far.
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Keep iss, its esy to get party, and after lv87~89 there are no places to lvl solo.
Plus, a good iss can kill Othell, Tyrr, archer, etc.
Just focus on +HP itens and +CON Dyes.
Plus, a good iss can kill Othell, Tyrr, archer, etc.
hmm,i dont remember any of the classes on the list pre awakening for ISS enchanter being all that great in pvp.they were pretty much all or most used for like support or debuffing
but i dont know,i havent played in a loooong time so maybe stuff has changed since then.im kinda thinkin about checkin out Lineage 2 again cuz ive been kinda bored lately but was thinkin about makin a othell rogue.dagger classes were always fun back in the day
Forget the old classes. They have nothing to do with Awakened chars.
An Iss have nearly the same Pdef and Mdef as Tankers, and also a great heal (35%), it means 7k/heal when you have 20k Hp (orc iss on with health)
Shadow and Cripple are great debuffs, -40% patk/pdef in pvp
Suspension is amazing since a lot of awakened skills have high reuse.
it also has Transform to disable, and petrify can help too on 2x1, or when you need time to heal.
And you got 3 'save ***' skills. Turn stone, enemies cant target you. Quick Escape is a UD+Dash, and celestial aegis.
Its a great pvp class, mainly on 1x1, you just have to play it right.
hmm,i dont remember any of the classes on the list pre awakening for ISS enchanter being all that great in pvp.they were pretty much all or most used for like support or debuffing
but i dont know,i havent played in a loooong time so maybe stuff has changed since then.im kinda thinkin about checkin out Lineage 2 again cuz ive been kinda bored lately but was thinkin about makin a othell rogue.dagger classes were always fun back in the day
Forget the old classes. They have nothing to do with Awakened chars.
hmm,are othell rogues any good in pvp then?
cuz i was plannin on rollin one,but i dont know.if they suck i might just try a ISS enchanter.i know dagger classes were always fun and pretty good in pvp back when i played though but this was like a long time ago
Well, i have no idea on how its gonna be on lvl95~99
IMO the game is very balanced.
Daggers are weak in pvp util it hits lvl90+
When it learns Uppercut and Clone attack, and some other great skills.
Soon in a update, dagger will have a big boost on skills.
I think it will be great after this boost.
About the Iss enchanter, all party needs one.
And since on lvl88+ there are no good places to lvl up solo, you will aways lvl up in full party.
Sadly it's so easy to win against an iss in Oly,when what counts its the dmg in total. and iss has only 1 rush every 15 sec,ok he has some debuffs like transforming the guy into a pig or a rabbit or increasing the cd on the enemy's skills,but still easy to win.
hmm,are othell rogues any good in pvp then?
cuz i was plannin on rollin one,but i dont know.if they suck i might just try a ISS enchanter.i know dagger classes were always fun and pretty good in pvp back when i played though but this was like a long time ago
you mean 1 stab 1 kill, tssh
i know only unskilled ppl played such classes.
Sadly it's so easy to win against an iss in Oly,when what counts its the dmg in total. and iss has only 1 rush every 15 sec,ok he has some debuffs like transforming the guy into a pig or a rabbit or increasing the cd on the enemy's skills,but still easy to win.
You forget the rock UD that makes the iss untargettable and the pig transformation that's UD+rush away.
Sadly it's so easy to win against an iss in Oly,when what counts its the dmg in total. and iss has only 1 rush every 15 sec,ok he has some debuffs like transforming the guy into a pig or a rabbit or increasing the cd on the enemy's skills,but still easy to win.
you mean 1 stab 1 kill, tssh
i know only unskilled ppl played such classes.
i dont really plan on doing oly
pretty much,i just want a easy fun class i can log in for a couple hours and smash people in pvp with.i know back when i played(which was before godess of destruction and the awakening classes)dagger classes were kinda.like that,buti dont know.maybe things have changed since then
Again i will repeat to all those clueless above me,
Iss in oly is so easy to win,he has no dmg and 1 rush every 15 sec, you burst him, then just run rush burst run rush burst, until oly ends, total dmg counts at the end = a sad iss.
simple result is that Iss has heal,but he has no burst dmg to kill or do a huge dmg in TOTAL, cuz in oly if the match hasnt finished yet then it has a TIMER, that timer when it ends it gives the win to the one who did total dmg in oly, iss don't have dmg nor burst,pm me in game any time in game to prove you that i am correct, i have tested it many times even have seen it of some top tyrrs doing it in oly.
no wonder why some people are complaining about how the system is unbalanced.
pretty much,i just want a easy fun class i can log in for a couple hours and smash people in pvp with.i know back when i played(which was before godess of destruction and the awakening classes)dagger classes were kinda.like that,buti dont know.maybe things have changed since then
Iss is fun class,outside in 1 v 1 you can win almost to any class but you can also lose to any class,that's what balance means.
In oly i am afraid things are bad for an iss,i have seen plenty ppl with iss in oly losing with the same way i have even checked it myself.
does it really matter what pre awakening class you go.i mean,lets say i wanted to roll a ISS enchanter,would going bladedancer have any different effect on going doom cryer.cuz none of the pre awakening classes of an ISS enchanter ive really played but i was watchin this video and they looked kinda fun
i think the dude was eather a dominator pre awakening or a doomcryer though.orc mystic female he looked like
does it really matter what pre awakening class you go.i mean,lets say i wanted to roll a ISS enchanter,would going bladedancer have any different effect on going doom cryer.cuz none of the pre awakening classes of an ISS enchanter ive really played but i was watchin this video and they looked kinda fun
i think the dude was eather a dominator pre awakening or a doomcryer though.orc mystic female he looked like
First of all, not every class can be as main an iss,you can either make one with SoD ( stone of Destruction) or with dual class but you won't be able to play on oly with it.
Secondly,the only things that matters is the racial skills,and some old skills that you may keep for the time until new (tauti or glory days) patch comes which will remove old skills,
enchanter a joke for tyrr? level 86 box enchanter maybe
the only way a tyrr 90+ can beat an enchanter 90+ is to crit and do huge dmg the first 30 secs of the match and then run and hope that he never catches you (or finishes his mana) because if you stay in front of him you'll be without chance, he deals slightly less dmg than you (you have ogre but iss have lvl2 buffs + sonata) but he has a little thing that makes him immortal, heal... a tyrr simply can't outdmg an iss heal after lvl 90 and when he uses Rhapsody he'll outdmg you by a lot.
and iss vs tank is even funnier, iss just have to run till tank finishes ultimate defense... then, even when tank has reflect or knight frenzy (or both) iss can afk hit the tank and sometimes smash the keyboard for rhapsody and heal.
tank critted 3k with skill? omg, i have to press healing melody to gain 4k+ hp asap!
I agree. Unfortunately most people don't know how to play Tyrr properly in Oly =/
enchanter a joke for tyrr? level 86 box enchanter maybe
the only way a tyrr 90+ can beat an enchanter 90+ is to crit and do huge dmg the first 30 secs of the match and then run and hope that he never catches you (or finishes his mana) because if you stay in front of him you'll be without chance, he deals slightly less dmg than you (you have ogre but iss have lvl2 buffs + sonata) but he has a little thing that makes him immortal, heal... a tyrr simply can't outdmg an iss heal after lvl 90 and when he uses Rhapsody he'll outdmg you by a lot.
There is no way Iss can outdamage Tyrr with Boost+Zerk. Tyrr also have several heals--Ogre (under 30 second reuse), Second Wind (twice a match), Power Revival--with which to tank Iss through. Rhapsody is the easiest thing to avoid; in the three seconds it takes to even cast it the Tyrr can fire off every single one of their disables and cancel it, or if it actually goes off, it's easily kited out.
and iss vs tank is even funnier, iss just have to run till tank finishes ultimate defense... then, even when tank has reflect or knight frenzy (or both) iss can afk hit the tank and sometimes smash the keyboard for rhapsody and heal.
tank critted 3k with skill? omg, i have to press healing melody to gain 4k+ hp asap!
Once again, Iss cannot win this match on damage. They do almost nothing to a tank. In fact, when I fight an Iss in Oly, I stand there and tank it without any UDs or Knight Frenzy and watch it pitifully spam skills and heals while I stay full HP. When the match ends, I've done 3x as much damage as they have. Complete and utter joke of a fight.
There is no way Iss can outdamage Tyrr with Boost+Zerk. Tyrr also have several heals--Ogre (under 30 second reuse), Second Wind (twice a match), Power Revival--with which to tank Iss through. Rhapsody is the easiest thing to avoid; in the three seconds it takes to even cast it the Tyrr can fire off every single one of their disables and cancel it, or if it actually goes off, it's easily kited out.
they cast rhapsody only when enemy is stone and even if for some reason you have more dmg than a full buff lv2 + sonata char, you can't for no reason take out 16/20k hp between 2 iss heals (2seconds)
I don't know why you're so focused on how Iss is so "impossible" to kill. That is completely irrelevant when matches can also be won by most damage done in the five minute period, in which case Iss cannot come anywhere close to the damage output of Tyrr.
I don't know why you're so focused on how Iss is so "impossible" to kill. That is completely irrelevant when matches can also be won by most damage done in the five minute period, in which case Iss cannot come anywhere close to the damage output of Tyrr.
that's why i say that a tyrr can only win if he manages to escape for 5 minutes after doing a lot of dmg
OK for the newbies here,
when you play tyrr in oly against an ISS, you go full dmg in the first 50-30 sec,lets hope you kill him fast enough,if you can't kill him then once your cp is gone
YOU run and spam jump attack --->> slow debuff YA? you run and spam jump attack,use eruption --->target off / run again,jump--> eruption run, you also have 2 knock downs for the non dwarf tyrr users.
Do all this until the match overs and you will SEE HOW you won that iss without any tears.
iss rush has only 15 sec, he can't catch you ON RABBIT(learn to use/switch your ******* feral cry) no matter what **** he uses he can't catch you, plus your slow on him and target cancel/stun it will be so funny to watch him trying to kill you, and when match ends the result is obvious that tyrr will win cuz he has more burst/dps than an iss. **** newbies!!!!!
PS: i have tried in the past when i was 87 against a 90 lvl iss full TW set/dual apoc and the result was the same, imagine how you do that with second wind also and barrier which 90% chance that you will never fall to 10% or use your heal, ofcourse if you try to kill him on 1 v 1 without doing this you will lose unless you deal some crazy crit on him. ******* newbies!!!!
1 in each 30 tyrr's will be able to kill an Iss enchanter on oly if both are good players.
Burst damage on first seconds?
Iss can simply use Polymorph(turn stone) wich you cant even target him
and Quick Escape(UD+Dash) all the time if he wants, because while he is using one of it, the other is ready to reuse.
Not forgetting that Suspension f*** all enemy skills reuse.
Orcs are slow. Other races arent that slow.
And yes, an Iss on Raphsody outdmg a Tyrr
It gets huge Patk and top atk speed, and iss debuffs makes your Pdef and Patk -40%.
Tyrr doesn't need to do all kinds of damage in the opening seconds. Eruption > Polymorph. Jump Attack > Quick Escape. Avoiding damage means you're not doing any damage either, and relying on solely on Rhapsody is a great way to ensure you won't win a match with 30 seconds worth of damage. Tyrr in Ogre with Zerk+Boost can straight up tank Rhapsody and pop another Ogre, Second Wind, and if they absolutely need to a Revival and easily outdamage whatever the Iss is doing during those 30 seconds.
keep iss, its esy to get party, and after lv87~89 there are no places to lvl solo.
plus, a good iss can kill othell, tyrr, archer, etc.
Just focus on +hp itens and +con dyes.
And yes, an Iss on Raphsody outdmg a Tyrr
It gets huge Patk and top atk speed, and iss debuffs makes your Pdef and Patk -40%.
a support/buff/debuffer outdamages the top 1 on warrior dmg dealers, where that kind of story came from?
Ncsoft balanced things, would you really believe that an iss would outdamage a damage dealer who is made for outdamaging all the rest?LOL wake up.go check it rather than imagine things from your own.
If you really believe such kind of a joke, then next thing ncsoft should make is, delete this class and all the rest classes that a support outdamage a dmgdealer.
PS: Did you ever checked Tyrr on max stats zerk/passive final frenzy how much p.atck he gets?
Did you ever checked that he has forces?6% dmg for each force until 5?
Did you ever checked that he has critical on skills?
Did you ever checked that he has armor destruction and provoke that makes your p.def look like butter?
Wake up,stop talking nonsense please.
a support/buff/debuffer outdamages the top 1 on warrior dmg dealers, where that kind of story came from?
Ncsoft balanced things, would you really believe that an iss would outdamage a damage dealer who is made for outdamaging all the rest?LOL wake up.go check it rather than imagine things from your own.
If you really believe such kind of a joke, then next thing ncsoft should make is, delete this class and all the rest classes that a support outdamage a dmgdealer.
PS: Did you ever checked Tyrr on max stats zerk/passive final frenzy how much p.atck he gets?
Did you ever checked that he has forces?6% dmg for each force until 5?
Did you ever checked that he has critical on skills?
Did you ever checked that he has armor destruction and provoke that makes your p.def look like butter?
Wake up,stop talking nonsense please.
this made my day! tyrr top damage dealer? rofl he can outdmg only healer, tank and iss
tyrr is good in pve only because of polearm for aoe because in single target pve or raid archer,dagger, nukers and summoner have much more dps (especially feoh and summoner have like 4x dmg of tyrr)
zerk is almost unnoticeable if you're not on 30%hp and you're not a titan that can afford to stay low in this chronicle where mobs use high dmg aoe.
i see you still think we're in h5 or gracia final...
1 charges work only for skills, not normal atk like it was for Grand Khavatari or Duelist
2 yeah crit on skills with very low chance and not influenced by anything (back in your days it was influenced by STR)
3 a debuff that reduce p.def by 10% and increase p.atk and atk spd of enemy by 10%? i'd rather call it a berserker spirit. i guess the only 3 tyrrs 97+ on my server can confirm it's usefullness only on pve
you remind me ppl that think that fists have more atk speed than 2h sword and 2h sword have more p.atk than fists while the only difference is the crit rate
stop living 1-2 years ago, pls
Buddy,dmg dealer means by all means, skill/normal p.atck w/e you like.
It was an example of the stats and yes, i have seen 15 sec barrier, zerk on giving some 1 shots on summoners.
Tyrr is one of the top WARRIOR dmg dealers.
provoke 10%? add the numbers with armor destruction and check p.def, if those 3 97 tyrrs said smth like that, then i facepalm 3 times, provoke on nuker/healer ever heard?or you would use it on a tyrr? magod ******* nooooooooobs!!!No wonder why they whinning about tyrr or they suck on your server.
STR does influence crit on skills if not then how the heck in all my pvps i got at least 4-5 criticals?, and not only, ever heard of skill refresh passive or doubles the effect of the skill? no? clueless you are i know, check your passives then come over to talk,and please i am the one who says that some ppl think that they still play titan or gk,dont make me facepalm.
DUDE, if you lose from iss in oly the only comment i can say is REROLL cuz you suck.
PS:
1 charges work only for skills, not normal atk like it was for Grand Khavatari or Duelist
dafuq?did charges work on normal atck before on gk/duelist? or you misspelled smth? and yes i meant the forces OF COURSE for the skills, magod it's obvious.
man, i'm talking about Olympiad only.
In oly Iss has full buff, and Tyrr doesnt.
Iss can full avoid Tyrr Zerk. and w/o zerk tyrr cant DPS an iss on only.
just figure: Iss full buff
tyrr: not full buff and with 200% reuse on skills., with 40% less Patk/pdef most of time.
Maybe in your server is different, but on Bartz, as i said before, 1 tyrr in 30 can kill an Enchanter. (Olympiad battle)
ofc, he's the only warrior in L2!
if you mean melee i agree too, only Rogue has more single target DPS (iss and tank are not good^^)
and pls tell me how to do mass aggro only on nukers and healers in pvp
p.s mind share how do you play your tyrr? you seem an oly addicted but from your comments i guess you have full STR build like a pve machine and not the usual pvp build on tyrrs (full CON)
All of you besides DeMoNiCBoY, you make Tyr's look like ****** and you should reroll because you clearly don't know how to play your class. Do us a favor and reroll support classes and try not to suck too much at that.:D:D
As Diego_Vargas (http://boards.lineage2.com/member.php?u=81857) once said,"99% of you will not figure out how to make the class shine and suck at it/re-roll.
1% will learn how to excel, win and be awesome."
As Diego_Vargas (http://boards.lineage2.com/member.php?u=81857) once said,"99% of you will not figure out how to make the class shine and suck at it/re-roll.
1% will learn how to excel, win and be awesome."
wanna share some tips, mr. iamtop1% ?
I'm floored by this comment.
^ another full STR + light armor + fist weapon user spotted
I'm a tank, sorry it was too difficult to spot that in my post above, in response to your comment, in fact, discussing Iss vs Tank. Your attempt at being snarky has failed, please try again.
As Diego_Vargas (http://boards.lineage2.com/member.php?u=81857) once said,"99% of you will not figure out how to make the class shine and suck at it/re-roll.
1% will learn how to excel, win and be awesome."
I agree with this.
And most of ppl will re-rol to all classes and in none of them they will to be part for this 1%.
But as I said, maybe its a server thing. Tyrr at bartz maybe are not good as some tyrrs in other servers.
Maybe the most skilled players, chose other classes for some reason.
I started as Iss Enchanter, but IMO the class has limits, and i could do a lot better as Feoh.
I'm a tank, sorry it was too difficult to spot that in my post above, in response to your comment, in fact, discussing Iss vs Tank. Your attempt at being snarky has failed, please try again.
if you're a tank i bet you have defense type armor and sword with focus, what did i win?^^
^ another full STR + light armor + fist weapon user spotted
I will answer to that :
Light armor vs mages/healers if oly,unless you wanna get smacked outside on mass pvp.
Fists tbh only ex-gk using them here, but still they work with zerk just like zealot did cuz zealot = zerk.
About STR, yes it does influence crit rate on skills by a lot i would say,if you never got crit you're blind, if you got rarely crit on skills like you said before that he has low chance on criticals, then it's because again like you said before, ( full con on tyrr) Lol that explains why you have rare criticals,
also another benefit of the STR is this : Increases STR +2 and Atk. Spd. 25%, and also P. Atk. and Accuracy when using a sword / blunt weapon / spear. Allows an attack with spears on more targets at once, with a certain chance of obtaining Lightning Force while performing critical attacks. The skill’s reuse time resets or duration increases according to the character’s STR. that is why, btw it works for all passives,just like lightning force does.
E.g : I often get my duelist spirit on 2 min, instead of 1,i also get refresh on skills and my unbind once went to 20 sec LOL i was like wtf, 20 sec immune to stuns etc etc.
and last, honestly if you really think all this stuff about tyrr, why dont you just reroll to an iss and show us different, i am looking forward to it btw.
and last, honestly if you really think all this stuff about tyrr, why dont you just reroll to an iss and show us different, i am looking forward to it btw.
i don't say tyrr sucks, but don't tell me tyrr is a great dd in pvp, how do you feel when you crit Power Bomber on a robe doing 3k dmg + 1k of combo and then you see a feoh doing 5-6k dmg without crit on nuke? i don't feel sad because i know ncsoft designed tyrr to be a pve class.
i don't reroll a class just beacause it's not good on pvp, i play for fun and tyrr is one of the most fun classes of this game, i played soul hound after the huge nerfs, i played dreadnought after the stun nerfs, just because i liked them
if i wanted an easy class i would have picked a feoh like 70% of the playerbase, an archer or a dagger. or why not? an iss since it's the most underestimated class of this game
i don't say tyrr sucks, but don't tell me tyrr is a great dd in pvp, how do you feel when you crit Power Bomber on a robe doing 3k dmg + 1k of combo and then you see a feoh doing 5-6k dmg without crit on nuke? i don't feel sad because i know ncsoft designed tyrr to be a pve class.
i don't reroll a class just beacause it's not good on pvp, i play for fun and tyrr is one of the most fun classes of this game, i played soul hound after the huge nerfs, i played dreadnought after the stun nerfs, just because i liked them
if i wanted an easy class i would have picked a feoh like 70% of the playerbase, an archer or a dagger. or why not? an iss since it's the most underestimated class of this game
How you make 3k to robe? 10lvl difference? i hit r95 feoh(with wizard) for 18k damage same 3lvl iss buffs, im not talking about versus full stacked ones.
And want to ask what full con set up have to do at 95lvl+ 7vs7 since tyrr got already huge amount of hp/cp and 5k more wont make any difference?
And one more thing ncsoft always nerfed, boosted classes its a matter of time if they will give some boost or nerf.
i don't say tyrr sucks, but don't tell me tyrr is a great dd in pvp, how do you feel when you crit Power Bomber on a robe doing 3k dmg + 1k of combo and then you see a feoh doing 5-6k dmg without crit on nuke? i don't feel sad because i know ncsoft designed tyrr to be a pve class.
i don't reroll a class just beacause it's not good on pvp, i play for fun and tyrr is one of the most fun classes of this game, i played soul hound after the huge nerfs, i played dreadnought after the stun nerfs, just because i liked them
if i wanted an easy class i would have picked a feoh like 70% of the playerbase, an archer or a dagger. or why not? an iss since it's the most underestimated class of this game
3k power bomber CRIT? ahahahahahahaahha
i have got 2 times 1 16k crit and 1 20k crit on ROBE.
like everyone tells you, most people won;t get a clue of how to make his class shine,
also did ncsoft make ogre for pve?boost for pve?zerk for pve?CC for pve?cancel skills for pve?1 rush/jump for pve?crit on skills for pve?i find Wynn summoner mostly a pve class, cuz all you can do is lvl up one, go swamp and sell 3-4kk for each newbie you get for 1 hour pve.
also i am happy with tyrr the way he is, only problem i dislike is the huge CD he has on some skills which never lands most of the time.
/end with this, tired of teaching newbies how to play, back to LoL
you mean on a mob with robe? don't know in wich server you play but here on official the most dmg i've seen in pvp since i started playing GoD was a crit of 16k from a feoh with rhapsody
ogre for pve? ofc, dont tell me you use hawk
zerk pve? ofc, you go pvp with less than 30% hp and using normal hits? might work while you're in celestial tough...
i dislike the reuse too, especially on second wind,power bomber and the almost useless giant punch (really, lands much lower than bomber and 2 min cooldown)
go on including at least 30-35% of flame every time you post, it makes other ppl guess how old are you
you mean on a mob with robe? don't know in wich server you play but here on official the most dmg i've seen in pvp since i started playing GoD was a crit of 16k from a feoh with rhapsody
ogre for pve? ofc, dont tell me you use hawk
zerk pve? ofc, you go pvp with less than 30% hp and using normal hits? might work while you're in celestial tough...
i dislike the reuse too, especially on second wind,power bomber and the almost useless giant punch (really, lands much lower than bomber and 2 min cooldown)
go on including at least 30-35% of flame every time you post, it makes other ppl guess how old are you
LOL Seriously !? I use hawk for pve, I crit every single swing for 15k - 25K+ on mobs. Do anyone of you even own a single boss jewel?:eek:
LOL Seriously !? I use hawk for pve, I crit every single swing for 15k - 25K+ on mobs. Do anyone of you even own a single boss jewel?:eek:
lol seriously? i use only ogre for pve i crit a little less times than you and i crit for over 35k at cokra ind i don't have any boss jewels and i am with vorpal, i'm sure DeMoNiCBoY crits even more than me since his build is much more dmg oriented
LOL Seriously !? I use hawk for pve, I crit every single swing for 15k - 25K+ on mobs. Do anyone of you even own a single boss jewel?:eek:
The fact u use hawk tells how bad your gear is. Atm i use R 2hs with 474 critate and 1409 atk speed solo with lvl1 iss buffs. and if i want 500 crit i just swap to my s80 duals. Bear all the way PVE. ogre are for carebears.
you mean on a mob with robe? don't know in wich server you play but here on official the most dmg i've seen in pvp since i started playing GoD was a crit of 16k from a feoh with rhapsody
ogre for pve? ofc, dont tell me you use hawk
zerk pve? ofc, you go pvp with less than 30% hp and using normal hits? might work while you're in celestial tough...
i dislike the reuse too, especially on second wind,power bomber and the almost useless giant punch (really, lands much lower than bomber and 2 min cooldown)
go on including at least 30-35% of flame every time you post, it makes other ppl guess how old are you
For pve i use Bear, i have removed from my skill bar hawk/puma and dude i was serious about the crit, on group 7 v 7 i remember clearly how i 1 shot a healer, the other 20k was on feoh also both had full buffs.
Zerk is mixed pve/pvp, thats true, tbh i have duelist spirit, i wanna enjoy free pvp dmg until old skills will get deleted.
But i can tell you the truth, on zerk i believe you can get a real crazy crit, like i said i have seen 1 shot on a wynn, 1 v 1 of course.
Last thing, you have no clue about what warriors are, have you?you see feoh stacking MEN? no? why is thaT? because he stacks c.speed /matck, same goes for other dps, they stack STR, if you stack CON you are just a moving meat shield with no dmg.reroll seriously
PS: i am 20, i flame when someone don't wanna understand what i am saying.
The fact u use hawk tells how bad your gear is. Atm i use R 2hs with 474 critate and 1409 atk speed solo with lvl1 iss buffs. and if i want 500 crit i just swap to my s80 duals. Bear all the way PVE. ogre are for carebears.
hawk + pole is nice, pole = high crit dmg/ high crit chance. so if you max it, it will be nice, but again i prefer bear.
Sorry but going CON instead of STR is a failure as Tyrr.
You would fit to the Koreans that see Tyrr as lower Tank.
Tho as you wrote, you barely trigger skill mastery, your dmg with power bomber sucks (thx to +Con instead of +Str), Ogre for pve is horrible unless you have to act as tank.
I wonder what lvl you are since you talk about crits at Cokra.
Just try some more different settings and you will see that STR is the way to go.
Sorry but going CON instead of STR is a failure as Tyrr.
You would fit to the Koreans that see Tyrr as lower Tank.
Tho as you wrote, you barely trigger skill mastery, your dmg with power bomber sucks (thx to +Con instead of +Str), Ogre for pve is horrible unless you have to act as tank.
I wonder what lvl you are since you talk about crits at Cokra.
Just try some more different settings and you will see that STR is the way to go.
i said cokra because everyone do soa for daily, atm i'm 91 btw
agree on mastery but dmg of skills barely change:
since i use ogre and i have good defenses i switched, some days ago, from +9 con to +9 str (to farm faster with pole). i noticed a significant inrease on normal hit dmg while dmg from skills is almost the same
some time ago i tried another thing, doing Mega Strike (skill with no random dmg like jump attack) on an NPC with my apo duals (without shots because i didn't have c grade shots for the other duals),
then tried the same skill with c grade duals +4 (from path to awakening) and i noticed a difference of just 400 on dmg (from about 5200 to 4780), all this while i had like 1/4 of the p.atk i had with duals
this made me guess that, apart from the skill mastery and the crit of skills (i have to re-check this one), STR is totally ininfluent on skills
if STR really change skill crits i'll stay with these dyes now since no one in pvp targets a tyrr anyway
p.s. i may be wrong but dunno why, i do more dmg with ogre than bear, seems that 5% p.atk is better than 20% crit dmg... O.o
p.s. i may be wrong but dunno why, i do more dmg with ogre than bear, seems that 5% p.atk is better than 20% crit dmg... O.o
35% p.tck 10% crit dmg, you compare 30% and 30% crit DMG on hits, 5% more p.tck ogre 20% more crit dmg bear, you do LESS crit dmg on ogre, but you do the top crit dmg on BEAR, why is that?
STR = increases the crit dmg on hits also, and the difference between R and C ye i know, we all know, but tell me this did you check randomly spamming skills or doing combos and compare the crit chance on skills? you should do.
PS : Since when you compare Rene and trynda? trynda is auto-hit, rene is based on skills.
I am afraid to say but you did't get a clue of this, TYRR has Crit on skills like othels-yuls same **** like duelist/gk/destro/AW/PW/TH/arhcers had. the reason they don't need con is that he is already tanky, he has dmg also, why on earth would you go more tanky dps? have you seen a Rene with only tanky items how dmg he does? how sucky he looks? you go hybrid tanky-dps but i reccomend the more dps you have the better you are, rather than the more tanky you are.... and since when we compare LoL to l2? in LoL you don;t have spammer heals like in l2, which in lol you can kill but in l2 if you are slow to kill it's just only time till you die. despite your ''tanky stuff''
p.s. i may be wrong but dunno why, i do more dmg with ogre than bear, seems that 5% p.atk is better than 20% crit dmg... O.o
If u look at skills the 2 buffs really should be equal when u look at pvp. As it is right now your patk has a tiny effect on dmg from skills. if u use C wepaon and ++++ R u notice a 1% diff. For PVE bear needs a high crit rate to be truely better then ogre. If u like many belive that fists are usefull couse of the atk spd boost from lightning, and u couse of that got less then nothing in crit, yes then ogre is better then bear. but then again odds are if u use fists u are also using hawk.
Also if u aint in possesion of baium, octavis or aq, crit dmg is less likely to be that different, and the higher patk helps. If u on the other hand are stacked out on epics have a 400+ crit rate and a good swing speed with out using zerk. u will see a hugh difference in dmg.
Im 93 orc, former GK, and untill now my setup has been +9 str and using ogre couse i been soloing my way from 88 in SoA, and needed the extra pdef to surive. Lately i changed though and im doing +12 Dex atm, and gonna keep that untill the point where i start doing pvp again, then ill revert back to str couse there is just a huge diff in reuse time and crit rate with out ++++ str.
For those thats gonna ask WHY dex. for pve its simple the best option.
Str dyes:
Pro: Higher patk and crit dmg, skill crit rate, skill reuse.
cons: lowers dex unless u buy lv5 leg/anc. less atk speed then, lower crit rate(this is not a biggie but all counts). skills has nothing to do in pve, if u have full epic ect
Dex dyes:
pro: higher atk speed(more hits more crits), higher crit, higher evasion, higher acc. U dont nerf a usefull stat in pve u lose a few hp(i got 30k+ buffed so who cares for 1k hp).
cons: all the stats increase u get has little meening in pvp. yes acc is and evasion is nice, but its not as nice as instant reuse on skills and more skill crits.
after i removed by +9 str-3dex. i lost 8% patk and my crits in GoG/Bistrakon dropped from 50k to 43ish. on the other hand i jumped from 1140 to 1409 atk speed and gained 16 crit rate. This is Solo, in party i have 1500 akt speed.