Is there any possibility that anything that I've worked my tush for doing quests and raids WON'T be in the game store?
First the top hat I earned from an event was put in the store. Then the festival cloaks, Then it was zaken's hat. Now the warrior's helmet..seriously you're killing me here. Let's not mention the fact all my gear is completely worthless too thanks to PtA. Even raid jewels are being given as a bonus with a timer of coarse,but it's only a matter of time they are sold in store too.
What's next raid cloaks from Frintezza,Freya and Zaken? Element stones and crystals too?
Seriously wtf DO you have to work for in this game?
I think we are watching "Truly Free" slowly turn to "Pay to Win" It happened on many other F2P games that started by just selling items that wouldn't effect gameplay.
I think we are watching "Truly Free" slowly turn to "Pay to Win" It happened on many other F2P games that started by just selling items that wouldn't effect gameplay.
Well the helmet doesn't actually do anything play wise,but it certainly killed it's value in game and made the quest for a random bug hat, gold glass or warrior helmet totally pointless to do.
It's starting to look like where it's going too. You can certainly do or get these things without paying for them,but work involved requires help sometimes. Most people won't bother with it anymore and just buy it.
LOL, your crying about a costmetic item being worthless now? LOLOLOLOL. They have to make money somehow.. somehow i think crying about hats is better then crying about +29billion weapons, am i right or am I right? Hahaha.
They are selling timered boss jewels, they are not selling boss jewels yet. Nor will they likely.
The new boxes are boring frankly, very few will purchase likely, but at least they are not unbalancing the game while they are at it.
LOL, your crying about a costmetic item being worthless now? LOLOLOLOL. They have to make money somehow.. somehow i think crying about hats is better then crying about +29billion weapons, am i right or am I right? Hahaha.
They are selling timered boss jewels, they are not selling boss jewels yet. Nor will they likely.
The new boxes are boring frankly, very few will purchase likely, but at least they are not unbalancing the game while they are at it.
No I agree with you they haven't totally unbalanced the game yet. I don't really say the game is unbalanced because every single person has the option to buy items to help themselves. If you can't or won't spend the money that's not everyone's problem,just your own.
As for the boss jewels..the key word there is YET. It just irritates me that some of the things I earned the hard way have been stripped of any value by being put into the game store. The best offer I got for my helmet was 60 million. Guess I should have sold it then,but I liked it and didn't think it'd be in the game store >.<
I do like one hour xp runes and if you get the box at least you get other stuff with it if you want it. I never was into them though personally seeing most of the stuff I didn't want.
Is there any possibility that anything that I've worked my tush for doing quests and raids WON'T be in the game store?
First the top hat I earned from an event was put in the store. Then the festival cloaks, Then it was zaken's hat. Now the warrior's helmet..seriously you're killing me here. Let's not mention the fact all my gear is completely worthless too thanks to PtA. Even raid jewels are being given as a bonus with a timer of coarse,but it's only a matter of time they are sold in store too.
What's next raid cloaks from Frintezza,Freya and Zaken? Element stones and crystals too?
Seriously wtf DO you have to work for in this game?
these items are ment for you to earn and you have why all the QQabout adena? The game has changed they have moved it to be more game play and store driven than adena driven.
adena is what ruing the game in the first place. QQ more all that stuff was not worthless whne u used it rite? cry baby
these items are ment for you to earn and you have why all the QQabout adena? The game has changed they have moved it to be more game play and store driven than adena driven.
adena is what ruing the game in the first place. QQ more all that stuff was not worthless whne u used it rite? cry baby
Correct it wasn't worthless when I got it, but along with everything else it now is worthless. I don't think being irritated that the things I worked for in game are now being sold in the cash store is being a cry baby. I didn't think NC would actually sell quest/raid earned items in the store to encourage some game play. I was wrong about that indeed.
Stone of destiny will be a hot seller when they finally cave into putting into the shop.
Correct it wasn't worthless when I got it, but along with everything else it now is worthless. I don't think being irritated that the things I worked for in game are now being sold in the cash store is being a cry baby. I didn't think NC would actually sell quest/raid earned items in the store to encourage some game play. I was wrong about that indeed.
Stone of destiny will be a hot seller when they finally cave into putting into the shop.
this is will be in the store soon Stone of destiny and why not?
this is will be in the store soon Stone of destiny and why not?
They haven't done it yet nor said they would, but the demand for it is high. They already sold sub class change certificates. I'm sure stone of destiny isn't too far behind.
Just yesterday I said the warrior helmet wasn't far behind from being in the game store and low and behold they added it today. Did I call it or what? lol
ETA: I have a stone on all of my toons minus the awakened ones so I wouldn't be buying it,but there's plenty out there that would.
Yeah its not Pay to win yet. The other Pay to win games started out slow to. Slowly testing what they can get away with selling and not causing to much of a problem with the players. First it was only XP boosts and Cosmetic options, now its timed Boss jewels and power shirts, next who knows maybe untimed boss jewels and top weapons/armour??? I don't think we will be seeing things like that for another 6 months at the very least, but I won't count them out.
Yeah its not Pay to win yet. The other Pay to win games started out slow to. Slowly testing what they can get away with selling and not causing to much of a problem with the players. First it was only XP boosts and Cosmetic options, now its timed Boss jewels and power shirts, next who knows maybe untimed boss jewels and top weapons/armour??? I don't think we will be seeing things like that for another 6 months at the very least, but I won't count them out.
As much I agree with you, is NCsoft game after all. All the property you has ingame is not your property, is property of NCSoft and they do what they see fit with it. It's are in the big text that only few people read when they log in the game.
Of course, we have also the right to complain about, after all, we are the consumers, and if a service goes bad, the consumer can complain about it.
But... for ANY company in the world, money comes first than consumer satisfaction, if their customers are unhappy but they still get money, no problem. This is the cruel reality of the business jungle.
TL: DR: As long there are people unwilling to pay for the items, the Pay for Win will grow even more. Who’s to blame in the end: The players.
Lol, didn't you just get ticked at me for my wall of text :P. 1 cool thing I noticed, we both created our forum accounts in the same month. Not many people left from 2004-2005 on here.
Lol, didn't you just get ticked at me for my wall of text :P. 1 cool thing I noticed, we both created our forum accounts in the same month. Not many people left from 2004-2005 on here.
I'll let that slide considering your forum reg date :)
Yeah that's a bummer, if you took it out of the WH it goes into your quest inventory so when you transferred you had it for awakening.
That worried me when I took mine from the WH.
I removed it, checked inventory, checked WH and was wondering wth?
For some reason, I checked the quest inventory and lo and behold, all was well with the world again :)
I removed it, checked inventory, checked WH and was wondering wth?
For some reason, I checked the quest inventory and lo and behold, all was well with the world again :)
The only one that didn't have the stone was my nuker because at the time it was red and I couldn't use the warehouse lol, I transferred without it, but I didn't need it since it'll be a nuker when I finish it.
Just so you know hat is not trad-able, so it shouldn't effect the economy in the long run. Prices will go back up when people figure out you'd need to buy more if you play more than one toon, or if they get a hat with some cool stats and are left to just put it in the wh. So, I'd wait until a while if you are thinking of selling it, anything bound to a player is worthless in the end, well actual money-wise.. No point if you can not resell it.
Is there any possibility that anything that I've worked my tush for doing quests and raids WON'T be in the game store?
First the top hat I earned from an event was put in the store. Then the festival cloaks, Then it was zaken's hat. Now the warrior's helmet..seriously you're killing me here. Let's not mention the fact all my gear is completely worthless too thanks to PtA. Even raid jewels are being given as a bonus with a timer of coarse,but it's only a matter of time they are sold in store too.
What's next raid cloaks from Frintezza,Freya and Zaken? Element stones and crystals too?
Seriously wtf DO you have to work for in this game?
A year and a half after this contest, NCSoft was like "yo dawgs, free pumpkin hats for urrbody!"
Well it looks like that "free to play" option of l2 is not enough for some ppl... may be they want to be paid for that they play l2 or I don't know? Why you cry about hats, limited epic jewels or some other things that give you nothing or 1% bonus? Do you know how much L2's maintaince costs to NCSoft? IF they not sell something that will take people's attention (hats, some little bonus items), do you expect that NCSoft will work losing money just to please some fans? Accept it guys - L2 is not the same it was! You accept to play for free and give money for some "useless" things (from your point of view) or pay every month like it was before! Nobody will run l2's machines and staff just to lose money because some ppl cry over the old times!
And last question: Do you feel that you are sooo underpowered when you face some with funny hat, or some shirt with +2 con? Game is still balanced!
Well it looks like that "free to play" option of l2 is not enough for some ppl... may be they want to be paid for that they play l2 or I don't know? Why you cry about hats, limited epic jewels or some other things that give you nothing or 1% bonus? Do you know how much L2's maintaince costs to NCSoft? IF they not sell something that will take people's attention (hats, some little bonus items), do you expect that NCSoft will work losing money just to please some fans? Accept it guys - L2 is not the same it was! You accept to play for free and give money for some "useless" things (from your point of view) or pay every month like it was before! Nobody will run l2's machines and staff just to lose money because some ppl cry over the old times!
And last question: Do you feel that you are sooo underpowered when you face some with funny hat, or some shirt with +2 con? Game is still balanced!
Preace.
clearly you didn't experiance what it means to do a quest in hopes of a certain random reward or do a raid hoping you get a jewelry drop.
I think we are watching "Truly Free" slowly turn to "Pay to Win" It happened on many other F2P games that started by just selling items that wouldn't effect gameplay.
It's already been there for a long time, since they started selling destruction scrolls in the shop.
Well it looks like that "free to play" option of l2 is not enough for some ppl... may be they want to be paid for that they play l2 or I don't know? Why you cry about hats, limited epic jewels or some other things that give you nothing or 1% bonus? Do you know how much L2's maintaince costs to NCSoft? IF they not sell something that will take people's attention (hats, some little bonus items), do you expect that NCSoft will work losing money just to please some fans? Accept it guys - L2 is not the same it was! You accept to play for free and give money for some "useless" things (from your point of view) or pay every month like it was before! Nobody will run l2's machines and staff just to lose money because some ppl cry over the old times!
And last question: Do you feel that you are sooo underpowered when you face some with funny hat, or some shirt with +2 con? Game is still balanced!
Preace.
We are just noticing overtime the gear is slowly getting better and better in the NC Store. NC staff have already mentioned they are making more money since the game went F2P then they did when the game was monthly fee. I have played other games where the games went F2P, then over time the store slowly flipped to Pay 2 win. The clans that wanted to remain on "top" had to spend thousands a month just to stay up there. If you didn't buy in store items, you might as well quit (and I did) because you were so underclassed it was like you were an Elpy trying to solo Antharas.
We aren't asking for NC to pay us to play, or to stop from selling certain items for NC Coins. We (I) am mostly wanting them to hold back from continuing the downward slope to where they start selling items more powerful then anything you can farm in game just to maximize the NC Coins they can sell in a given month. Although personally if they wanted to make alot of NC Coin sales, and do some good in the process (while making it pay to win), I think they could start selling Adena packs for NC coins, which would at least take the market away from the botters, and we would probably see alot less "Buy adena here" shouts when running through town.
You mean a jewel drop maybe 3 people in an alliance will have O-o On top of that no one can kill ant queen anymore nor does anyone go after baium anymore.
Take solace in knowing you probably have one of the only chrono citara's left on the server! I know I do.
this is will be in the store soon Stone of destiny and why not?
Correct it wasn't worthless when I got it, but along with everything else it now is worthless. I don't think being irritated that the things I worked for in game are now being sold in the cash store is being a cry baby. I didn't think NC would actually sell quest/raid earned items in the store to encourage some game play. I was wrong about that indeed.
Stone of destiny will be a hot seller when they finally cave into putting into the shop.
They haven't done it yet nor said they would, but the demand for it is high. They already sold sub class change certificates. I'm sure stone of destiny isn't too far behind.
Just yesterday I said the warrior helmet wasn't far behind from being in the game store and low and behold they added it today. Did I call it or what? lol
ETA: I have a stone on all of my toons minus the awakened ones so I wouldn't be buying it,but there's plenty out there that would.
And it wasnt too far behind: As of today, Stone of Destiny, 1200 NCCoin, L2Store ingame...
Theres even a "Awakening Class Change" for 4000 NCCoin :s.
guys stop whine plz
i am not happy with the shop either
but many of us used to be paying a monhy fee
u can do pay each month 15€ / 12$
and spare some coins and get wat u want to
let me tell u a story i bought a pack with a destruction box guess what DEWR
but hey i CANT SELL it
even more funny i dont even have a R-grade wep...
That's what happens when you don't read the details and restrictions before you buy. It was $15 a month to play NA servers and I paid since the game came out so yea cool story. I have reason enough to gipe,read the entire thread. Go back to your private server kthx
I still have my C1 Chrono weapon and my Calculator. At least my days back then will always be remembered.
you mean the moments, when you entered a lvling zone, back on c1 like...., which zone i loves, the goblin/fungus area at DE village. Brigandine Comander... m old Goblin Miniraid and his minions.... i mean, didnt we spend more time on a single farming spot than pvping/pking/crying? I remember, when Karik was the highest single Mob, exping to max lvl was a nightmare =P The funny thing is. If they would reopen a C1 server with the old x1 rates, i would play it. Just because c1 was a well balanced chronicle. I dont like the fact like they made the game yet. They let us think its like befor, just added some extra lvl and gear. People worked hard for their stuff back in time. Now you reach lvl 86 within 3,4,5 days if you want it to. Money makes it possible. Starting the game with 100 dragon, 200 nevits, 50 rune, vita (pots) and mentor exp bonus gives you a boost of 750%. On a chronicle which let you get powerlvled from 80 to 85 in 1 houre. They will slowly add anything they want it to. Im still waiting for the Elemental Jewels, which normaly are on the Asian(?) server only. Back then i was so sure to never leave that game, after i was fully into c1. Now im not sure about it anymore :)