Wynn summoner

ok so,i decided to go wynn summoner instead of ISS enchanter and apparently ive heard your pre awakening class matters now cuz of the skills you can get or whatever

so pretty much,whats the best pre awakening class for a pvp Wynn summoner,dyes,etc included would be nice

Define "best". You are not clear here neither stating what are your goals.

racial skills,i guess skills you can keep also

i dont know,i figured using the word best was good enough.didnt think people would have a hard time figuring out what i meant by that

i was lookin up info on another awakening class and asked somethin i guess it seems like it does actually matter what class you pick pre awakening.like if i picked a spectral master pre awakening it would be different then if i picked a arcana lord or somethin,i havent really played much of the pre awakening wynn summoner classes so i was just wonderin which one was the best to pick

they seemed pretty fun from videos ive watched though and ive heard there a good class to roll if i wanted a fun,easy class to just log in whenever i get bored and gank people in world pvp with

Well, in fact It will depend of how you wanna play. There are no beast build or something beating them all beside the Kamael Summoner with the Final Form transformation :)

I don't know why people are looking for 'best' setups; if you want to play wynn, you need to find out about your skills, how to coordinate them, how to make the most out of them. Just pick a race what fits you most, and go from there... I do believe everyone has a character in game what they can play best. Ofc you can learn everything, but to do it properly, you just need to lvl it without pwrlvl so you know exactly what to do in different situations. You'll figure it out ;)

Its easy, go Elf or Dark elf.

Ppl may tell "all are the same", but in fact, Disparition is an awsome skill, and it makes Dark Elfs usualy superior to other races. Also Dark elf has the best INT and STR, and since Reuse of skill is not based on Casting speed, and all summoners marks are instant casting, low WIT wont be a problem.

For Wynn summoner an Elf is good too. Since the summoners are slowpokes, elfs runs faster, and Prevision is a 15seconds UE for you and your summons.

Dont worth keeping any skills from your pre awakening class.
maybe Smart Cubic if you want.

I have a lv89 dark elf summoner. My only complain is about the run speed, but I wouldt trade my Disparition for run speed.

hmm what about dyes and armor set up,etc then

cuz i think im gonna go dark elf.all i plan on doing is pvping so pretty much a pvp set up

There are many setups, cant rly go tell one and say it's best.

There are many setups, cant rly go tell one and say it's best.

what do you mean by many set ups.like if i wanted to know a certain dye set up,armor,etc what would i look at to determin that then.i dont know,i never played summoners much back in the day i played Lineage 2

Summoners use 1h mage, 2h mage, bow, shield, sigil, light, heavy, robe. Con, Wit ,Int dyes.

It's up to you to choose from all these and make your own. Get rdy to cash in a lot of money, every summoner has around at least 2 sets and 2 weapons. :) And if you're looking to put dyes, well you'll probably be broke if you only want to pvp instead of actually earning money...

Summoners use 1h mage, 2h mage, bow, shield, sigil, light, heavy, robe. Con, Wit ,Int dyes.

It's up to you to choose from all these and make your own. Get rdy to cash in a lot of money, every summoner has around at least 2 sets and 2 weapons. :) And if you're looking to put dyes, well you'll probably be broke if you only want to pvp instead of actually earning money...

meh i dont know.i was mainly just lookin for a fun,easy class i can just log in every now and then and trash people in world pvp.dont plan on doin oly or sieges or anything like that.ive heard summoners were a pretty good class for that

but in terms of the subject.1h mage,shield and robes i guess.i guess if id really go broke though with all that and dyes,then i guess i could just run without them if it isnt serious business to not use dyes

Dyes aren't a must which saves a lot of adena and trouble.

And yes, summoners can catch people off-guard and hold an advantage on surprise attacks since Marks hurt a lot.

yeah i was lookin at the marks yesterday and it looked pretty nice

in terms of pvp summons though.does it really matter,like is there "the best combo"of summons you use in like world pvp or do you just pick whatever

i couldnt really find any of the skills the summons get.cuz i thought back when i played that the actual summons themselves had skills

Unless you have a stone of destiny to make a superior (and usually not a summoner race) race into a Summoner (like Kamael), then Dark Elf is the best race. They scale the best. With equivalent gear a Dark Elf is better than a Light Elf or human. They have the highest P/M.Atk and a P/M.Crit Dmg advantage + Disparition. They will always have stronger servitors than the other two races when gear is equivalent.

It's just the way things are now that all races have literally the same skills and servitors.

If my summoner was my main char, and I would use it to PvP, i'd go on mage setup. Robe + Retributer + reapers. Full INT setup.

If my summoner was my main char, and I would use it to PvP, i'd go on mage setup. Robe + Retributer + reapers. Full INT setup.

Why you would go for INT? Is useless, Wynn are not nukes, reapers also dont need M. Atk. Their basic attack is based on STR and not INT.

Their skills are based on INT and Wynn Summoners do have nukes. Mark of Fire, Invoke, and Mark Retriever. You use those all the time, don't you?

Their skills are based on INT and Wynn Summoners do have nukes. Mark of Fire, Invoke, and Mark Retriever. You use those all the time, don't you?

Marks have cd and are more to debuff than hit.

STR is useless for reaper, nobody uses their main atk for actual dmg in PVP or PVE high lvl. Pet reaper p.dmg is nerfed as hell against players and doesnt work that eficiently.

And marks are mainly for DMG at higher lvls.

Marks have cd and are more to debuff than hit.

Mark of Fire is a nuke, not a debuff.

You cannot be serious, right?

STR is useless for reaper, nobody uses their main atk for actual dmg in PVP or PVE high lvl. Pet reaper p.dmg is nerfed as hell against players and doesnt work that eficiently.

And marks are mainly for DMG at higher lvls.

Yes people use their main attack for damage for damage in both. They don't just auto follow you until their nukes are on cooldown. Damage is damage.

All pet damage is nerfed vs. players compared to vs. MOBs it doesn't matter what pet you use. That goes for their nukes as well.

The reapers are popular in PvP because their ranged pets that can attack and nuke from out of AoE hate range (where cougars can become useless).

If you don't know how to manage your pets properly (knowing when to send them in and when to pull them off) then you shouldn't be playing a summoner.

Also, using any skills with the pets automatically turns on their auto attack.

Ok ok.... U all didn't mentioned the main difference... 2nd class summons. After u awaken, u can keep all summons, so in this case...

1.Human can use theyr cat buff and strongly attack with basic attack... It helps against healers, when u take panthers, Still human is the worst summoner as I think.

2.Elf can summon they horse and take buff for re-use and wild magic in oly.It gives about -3sec re-use for debuffs or all skills. Wild Magic boost your M.crit and this is huge plus tu him, becouse when summoner cast Marks (Weakness/Plague/Trick/Void) if that mark is M.Critical it gives 4k dmg to enemy, no matter, how many P/M.deff he have, so elf basic stats+WM is big plus. Still he have low M.atk...

3.D.Elfs can summon Night Shade and cast Focus/Death Wishper (When I go to oly, from NPC i use Drum/Harp/Horn/Lute+Wizard/warrior harmony) It really helps, when u're fighting against healers, and summon your panthers. Ofc, d.elf have dispiration, which helps a lot. The huge INT makes your dmg lika a mage, and low WIT don't make sence... let it be, I'm D.elf and I have 1,8k C.speed on pvp.

4.Kamael summoner is best for pve with this transform, but if you will transform to final form in oly you are dead, becouse there will be no transfer pain, and x2 defs will not help u :)

If you are still <85, after awakening keep Smart cubic, becouse new cubic wont work normaly till 91/93lvl.

Ofc, u should keep old transfer pain, and enchant it to transfer 60% dmg, becouse new transfer is to hight, and I can't normaly heal my pet..

If u tooked transfer remmember, that transfer pain and strong will its enought 1lvl. DO NOT TAKE IT HIGHTER LVL

Thats all about it... And there is link for my video from shillen server.

Wynn Summoner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gQVkUNg82I)

Ofc, u should keep old transfer pain, and enchant it to transfer 60% dmg, becouse new transfer is to hight, and I can't normaly heal my pet..

well,unless something changed in godess of destruction.i thought you could only enchant skills as a noblesse,and i dont plan on getting noblesse

well,unless something changed in godess of destruction.i thought you could only enchant skills as a noblesse,and i dont plan on getting noblesse
You can enchant skills after hitting 3rd class transfer, where did you pull out this thing from? O_o

In Glory Days old skills will be deleted, so use your old summons as long as you're able to :)

Mark of Fire is a nuke, not a debuff.

You cannot be serious, right?

When I said that? I can't see it :p

Ok ok.... U all didn't mentioned the main difference... 2nd class summons. After u awaken, u can keep all summons, so in this case...

1.Human can use theyr cat buff and strongly attack with basic attack... It helps against healers, when u take panthers, Still human is the worst summoner as I think.

2.Elf can summon they horse and take buff for re-use and wild magic in oly.It gives about -3sec re-use for debuffs or all skills. Wild Magic boost your M.crit and this is huge plus tu him, becouse when summoner cast Marks (Weakness/Plague/Trick/Void) if that mark is M.Critical it gives 4k dmg to enemy, no matter, how many P/M.deff he have, so elf basic stats+WM is big plus. Still he have low M.atk...

3.D.Elfs can summon Night Shade and cast Focus/Death Wishper (When I go to oly, from NPC i use Drum/Harp/Horn/Lute+Wizard/warrior harmony) It really helps, when u're fighting against healers, and summon your panthers. Ofc, d.elf have dispiration, which helps a lot. The huge INT makes your dmg lika a mage, and low WIT don't make sence... let it be, I'm D.elf and I have 1,8k C.speed on pvp.

4.Kamael summoner is best for pve with this transform, but if you will transform to final form in oly you are dead, becouse there will be no transfer pain, and x2 defs will not help u :)

If you are still <85, after awakening keep Smart cubic, becouse new cubic wont work normaly till 91/93lvl.

Ofc, u should keep old transfer pain, and enchant it to transfer 60% dmg, becouse new transfer is to hight, and I can't normaly heal my pet..

If u tooked transfer remmember, that transfer pain and strong will its enought 1lvl. DO NOT TAKE IT HIGHTER LVL

Thats all about it... And there is link for my video from shillen server.

Wynn Summoner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gQVkUNg82I)

so wait

i keep smart cubic and transfer pain before i do awakening? i mean,im not even close to getting there yet but i thought i didnt keep any pre awakening skills.as far as pvping though,i dont plan on doing oly,just running around wherever the max level people are that are farming,etc and smashing people

Clearly, keep the level 80 cubic. I did the mistake to get the new one directly upon awakening and i'm now 89, never saw it working

When I said that? I can't see it :p

I said:

Their skills are based on INT and Wynn Summoners do have nukes. Mark of Fire, Invoke, and Mark Retriever. You use those all the time, don't you?

Then you said:

Marks have cd and are more to debuff than hit.

I learned about something called Context Clues in Elementary School. Maybe you should have been a bit less vague. I'm not sure.

I mean, since I only mentioned nukes in my post, I could only infer that you're referring to the Mark that I actually mentioned in my post, which is not a debuff, but instead a nuke. And we should all know how Mark Retriever works. In fact, I clearly stated they were nukes in the post.

M.Atk has never increased the damage of DoTs (i.e. normal Marks are all DoT damage, with a debuff component which gets cleansed off in record time in PvP against any decent opponents so you aren't letting them just sit there like on a MOB you have to retrieve them much earlier than in PvE), so what I wrote cannot be interpreted in that way, unless you incorrectly assumed it did.

Smart Cubic - Its working perfectly, but when u're 85-91 and u have new cubic, u will be mad about it, becouse it would do nothing. Smart cubic is removing rebuffs and use poisons on enemys in oly, which land rly good. After 91 or 93lvl, when new cubic lvl increase, it starting to work fine. I mean it removes debufs every 20sec of even less, it use root (even for 1sec) and sometimes removes enemys buffs.

Transfer pain - The best way, keep the old one, and enchant it, that he would transfer 60% dmg. Becouse have 70-75% transfer is a mistake, u can't even heal your pet, when he get this dmg, and w/0 pet u have a big problem. Ofc, u get more dmg in pvp, but after 91lvl, when u get balance life, it will work perfectly :)

actually i was thinkin today,how expensive are wynn summoners like i mean.i dont want somethin that im gonna have to farm more then im gonna pvp with cuz i forgot you needed like crystals and stuff for summons and those cubics

or am i really only gonna spend a crapton of adena on my summoner before awakening.cuz i noticed you dont really need crystals anymore for the awakening summons i think

dont need any consumables to summon anything when awakend

up to 85 u will need spirit ores and beast shots

dont need any consumables to summon anything when awakend

up to 85 u will need spirit ores and beast shots

so all id need after awakening is just beast shots and spiritshots? hmm,i guess thats ok,if it matters any i do plan on using mentor system to level up.im just not 40 yet,a friend i know can mentor me so i was gonna do that

no, read my post again..

Smart Cubic - Its working perfectly, but when u're 85-91 and u have new cubic, u will be mad about it, becouse it would do nothing. Smart cubic is removing rebuffs and use poisons on enemys in oly, which land rly good. After 91 or 93lvl, when new cubic lvl increase, it starting to work fine. I mean it removes debufs every 20sec of even less, it use root (even for 1sec) and sometimes removes enemys buffs.

Transfer pain - The best way, keep the old one, and enchant it, that he would transfer 60% dmg. Becouse have 70-75% transfer is a mistake, u can't even heal your pet, when he get this dmg, and w/0 pet u have a big problem. Ofc, u get more dmg in pvp, but after 91lvl, when u get balance life, it will work perfectly :)

Well in an update they will remove all the Blue tag skills and force you to take the awakened skills so this is really sort of useless advice at this point.

Well in an update they will remove all the Blue tag skills and force you to take the awakened skills so this is really sort of useless advice at this point.

This update is at last in 6 months, so I prefer to have a working cubic during 6 months than not having one :D

This update is at last in 6 months, so I prefer to have a working cubic during 6 months than not having one :D

Stil lsticking to my smart cubic, and almost 93 :o