I wont bother sending ticket but all people should know this bug. (Because if I did I would demand punishment for the abuser - something that won't happen.)
What you need:
A high lvl pet (so it wont miss)
And a strong DoT spell
Cast Dot on Pet and send it to attack the target.
Care, pet must have <100 hp when it attacks. Closer to 1 the better of course.
Your target will reflect damage "instantly" and pet will die. (Stupid coder: 1st comes reflect damage then damage).
Result your target will have karma for killing a pet. (It wont increase pk count of course but still he will have karma)
An exploit that can be used on bots. Unfortunately it can be used for any reason. It' up to individuals. Everyone has his own moral values and respects or not the others and himself.
keep in mind this only works if the target has something that will reflect damage.
Such as a Frintezza necklace or if they use Daring Sonata.
If your target doesn't have reflect jewels and doesn't use daring sonata then your pet will just flag and you will become an easy target ;)
keep in mind this only works if the target has something that will reflect damage.
Such as a Frintezza necklace or if they use Daring Sonata.
If your target doesn't have reflect jewels and doesn't use daring sonata then your pet will just flag and you will become an easy target ;)
This is not exactly a bug, but it is a game mechanic flaw that has been overlooked. It will be reported so that it can be fixed. Meanwhile, if this functionality is found to be abused it may be publicly declared as an exploit, meaning offenders may face consequences.
This is not exactly a bug, but it is a game mechanic flaw that has been overlooked. It will be reported so that it can be fixed. Meanwhile, if this functionality is found to be abused it may be publicly declared as an exploit, meaning offenders may face consequences.
So If I use it in 5minute ingame to test it right, since you didn't flagged it as an exploit no consequences ? :)
Basically this "exploit" is not a big deal until players abuse it so much that it becomes a big deal. Yes, that is a relative opinion, but if players negatively affected by it petition the GMs to say they've been victimized by abuse of this function, the likelihood of the function becoming a "bannable exploit" increases drastically. Abusers that lead to it becoming a bannable exploit may receive a temp ban, but more serious consequences will occur if someone abuses it after we publicly declare it as an exploit.
Bottom line: don't do it.
We're sending this as a bug report and it will be fixed so that it cannot be abused like this.
Basically this "exploit" is not a big deal until players abuse it so much that it becomes a big deal. Yes, that is a relative opinion, but if players negatively affected by it petition the GMs to say they've been victimized by abuse of this function, the likelihood of the function becoming a "bannable exploit" increases drastically. Abusers that lead to it becoming a bannable exploit may receive a temp ban, but more serious consequences will occur if someone abuses it after we publicly declare it as an exploit.
Bottom line: don't do it.
We're sending this as a bug report and it will be fixed so that it cannot be abused like this.
True enough, as my registration date to the forums reflects that. I played nearly a year before coming to the forums.
Shame. You missed "Elrohir, the early years".
Can we still use these on those 24/7 afk player? if they get negative rep then they can't gain any xp correct? if so it may be the best effective anti-afk player? anything to keep them from gaining any xp/lvl. even if each mob is 5+ rep point, having -70,000 negative rep should spoil their auto afk day/week.
Basically this "exploit" is not a big deal until players abuse it so much that it becomes a big deal. Yes, that is a relative opinion, but if players negatively affected by it petition the GMs to say they've been victimized by abuse of this function, the likelihood of the function becoming a "bannable exploit" increases drastically. Abusers that lead to it becoming a bannable exploit may receive a temp ban, but more serious consequences will occur if someone abuses it after we publicly declare it as an exploit.
Bottom line: don't do it.
We're sending this as a bug report and it will be fixed so that it cannot be abused like this.
Just make sure you "publicly declare it" in game also. I think we've all read your RMT/3rd party stuff for a long time now, spice it up and add what you deem an exploit this week/month/etc.
That way you guys seem more professional too, and you want that right?
Can we still use these on those 24/7 afk player? if they get negative rep then they can't gain any xp correct? if so it may be the best effective anti-afk player? anything to keep them from gaining any xp/lvl. even if each mob is 5+ rep point, having -70,000 negative rep should spoil their auto afk day/week.
at your own risk
^ This.
It's not encouraged to abuse it by using it on other players, period. The point is that this flaw bypasses the Reputation system-- there is no redemption for why you choose to use it.
Just make sure you "publicly declare it" in game also. I think we've all read your RMT/3rd party stuff for a long time now, spice it up and add what you deem an exploit this week/month/etc.
That way you guys seem more professional too, and you want that right?
Although this may seem like a gray area, the fact is that the status of this flawed function is not "an exploit." Therefore it will not be announced or declared or protected as such. Also, we aim to prevent spreading knowledge about this function for the very reason that players will likely want to "try it" or "test it."
It will be fixed in the future. If excessive abuse of it is found, its status may change and we will act and announce accordingly at that time.
It's being abused already, simply because the topic is still here. More and more people are aware of this and they are testing it, seeing it works and then purely abusing.
Omg, we use this method in C4 to clean spot from bot-train.
SpS/Sorc buff reflect to MA, use own summon (DoTed by other player to 1 hp) to attack MA, wait till healer/buffers flag on MA with karma and then just kill them. For sure other DD survive but w\o MA and support they are harmless for mobs xd
The quickest solution would be making Exile, Death Breath and other DoTs not working on unflagged characters (Mark of Lumi is the only one that doesn't work... I'm so crying a river for that) :rolleyes:
Just suggesting a possible solution, eh ;) I don't know how Koreans will fix it (if they'll fix it).
Basically this "exploit" is not a big deal until players abuse it so much that it becomes a big deal. Yes, that is a relative opinion, but if players negatively affected by it petition the GMs to say they've been victimized by abuse of this function, the likelihood of the function becoming a "bannable exploit" increases drastically. Abusers that lead to it becoming a bannable exploit may receive a temp ban, but more serious consequences will occur if someone abuses it after we publicly declare it as an exploit.
Bottom line: don't do it.
We're sending this as a bug report and it will be fixed so that it cannot be abused like this.
Well to put in a petition in game, the petition system should first be turned online. (naia GMT+1) but then they turn it off cause they get 100 bot reports a minute. cause I wonder if they even look at the bots that are beeing reported with the report button.
Then if people use this exploit it will always negative effect the one that is beeing attackt by a pet, cause he gets karma and killed so loses exp.
Just directly ban these people that do it.
Well to put in a petition in game, the petition system should first be turned online. (naia GMT+1) but then they turn it off cause they get 100 bot reports a minute. cause I wonder if they even look at the bots that are beeing reported with the report button.
I can't find the announcement about petition system working hours anymore.
You're probably petitioning in-game out of the dedicated working hours.
Yesterday I had a botter PM me after I killed him with just my marks (he didn't stop attacking new mobs even after he went down to no hp at all). He told me he would report me for killing him, and that he already got three summoners banned. I actually was too baffled by his nonsense to even laugh about his claims :)
In my view, if this is use on a legit player we should report the abuser, then the abuser should get ban.
If this is use on those boter/bot train if they make report to to gm, Gm should check log and see someone/group xping non stop for 62 hours+ and ban them.
Win+win for legit player and more xp spot for us too.
Basically this "exploit" is not a big deal until players abuse it so much that it becomes a big deal. Yes, that is a relative opinion, but if players negatively affected by it petition the GMs to say they've been victimized by abuse of this function, the likelihood of the function becoming a "bannable exploit" increases drastically. Abusers that lead to it becoming a bannable exploit may receive a temp ban, but more serious consequences will occur if someone abuses it after we publicly declare it as an exploit.
Bottom line: don't do it.
We're sending this as a bug report and it will be fixed so that it cannot be abused like this.
sace but you can workaround this "exploit" (as you called it), ncsoft invented this new pk system and within it is the solution for this "exploit". they have to use their heads and think.
so if there is a solution ingame, i dont think we need a definition or declaration of exploit on this matter.
this is a mmorpg game, and in it you can play different roles. you have to choose one. and with that u can be safe, if u wanna be safe, of this "exploit".
sace but you can workaround this "exploit" (as you called it), ncsoft invented this new pk system and within it is the solution for this "exploit". they have to use their heads and think.
so if there is a solution ingame, i dont think we need a definition or declaration of exploit on this matter.
this is a mmorpg game, and in it you can play different roles. you have to choose one. and with that u can be safe, if u wanna be safe, of this "exploit".
We're still looking into it and the decision is yet to be made. Please remain patient until I get an official answer to share with you.
If you are a real player, you can think of many ways to counter this. use your head!
but this "exploit" is now our best weapon against bot parties who roll into our leveling spots and will obviously not flag back. Please do not ruin this by forum QQ. We all know the bot report button is not doing anything, at least now you can take matters into your own hands and kick them out when nothing else works.\
It is playing dirty, but hell, who are THEY (the bots) to judge?
I do not think that I must invest my personal time into making a perma-red because Ncsoft can't deal with bots, my time is worth money and the time that is NOT used for money (gaming and relaxing time), is better be used for something better then leveling a toon to 86 just to perma-red it.
If you are a live player who gets hit with that, well there are ways to avoid it, and you do not get a whole lot of karma for killing a pet.
If you are a real player, you can think of many ways to counter this. use your head!
...bunch of nonsense ...
If you are a live player who gets hit with that, well there are ways to avoid it, and you do not get a whole lot of karma for killing a pet.
You missed the whole point. There is no way to avoid this, because you get karma after 1 single hit.
But please, enlight us how many ways you can avoid this (except not using buffs that reflect damage or epics), when you do not know if some summoner just wanna make you karma by 1 hit.
I got karma on my iss and healer in dark elf village without doing anything. Wanna know the worse part? Due to poor system message you can not even see who was the owner of cougars (only show cougar attack you). So how can you report someone without a proof? (when no action is taken even with video proof)
ps: i know it has use agaisnt bots, but also affects legit players. Bots can play without daring sonata, hell they can play unbuffed at all 24/7 ftw...
So what is allowed and what not?
And at which xp spots/pvp spots can we use it?
And you HAVE to do a ig announcement about that.
In my clan i am the only one reading the forums and we have more then just me being 90+
Seriously this is the biggest bs since a long time :mad:
Reflect dmg buff worked since c2 or c3 on mobs. Been done all the time.
So what is with the following things?:
-Stun players while they pve
-DOT's to noneflagged players while they pve
-Train mobs to them while they pve
-Flag and run into their Mob train so that they get flagged while doing AOE
-Buff mobs/Raids while others fight them
-Hellbinding players while they pve
-Healing mobs
-Buffing Fort/Siege NPC's
-Healing Fort/Siege NPC's
-Fear to noneflagged players while they pve
-and more
WTF is going on with NCWest?
PS: In Korea it got changed that you can't buff mobs. So why is it even bannable ? How could something be bannable if it shouldnt bepossible at all?
Means we are free to demand things NOW for us on NCW cos NCK has it already?
So all the coming Othell Changes not working here are bugs and you will fix em NOW? :rolleyes:
And what about 85+ Nukers/Wynns that zone lock DVC etc. and DOT/Fear any1 pre awakend there so that they die to mobs?
The answer above from you is just invalid bs.
You don't care about what is going on at NCWest, the only reason why you say "its bannable now" is cos Korea changed it.
But how do you deal with all the DOTing etc. that we have here?
Ignore it and allow it, cos it doesn't happen that extreme at Korea so it is legal HERE ?
And dont just keep silence again pls.
Also we w8 for an official answer about the "more graphic option" talk
And where is Cryo? 1 month passed and no reply from him about my PM, no reply in the "Dev" section.
Regards
Dreamer
(Sace's reply deleted, cos it is not allowed to show it...)
@ Sace only my own words, so YAY no infraction for me this time ;)
~Sace.
Cos of the current talk, how about answers to the above.
(You said you forward it, but no answer after 2 months..)
Yesterday I had a botter PM me after I killed him with just my marks (he didn't stop attacking new mobs even after he went down to no hp at all). He told me he would report me for killing him, and that he already got three summoners banned. I actually was too baffled by his nonsense to even laugh about his claims :)
Even bots are starting to do it to take rooms from ppl in mos
This is not exactly a bug, but it is a game mechanic flaw that has been overlooked. It will be reported so that it can be fixed. Meanwhile, if this functionality is found to be abused it may be publicly declared as an exploit, meaning offenders may face consequences.
this is all ive seen. Its not a bug or an exploit until its announced.
It is not a bug because it was designed this way. (Recall describing it a "bug" in my original post)
But it is an exploit because it was designed this way by mistake.
I guess:
How harmful this exploit will be on someone and on how many people it will be used, defines its severity per individual.
If you play with fire you might get burned.
From my point of view, it should be officially declared as an exploit and treated as such.
As in the dmg from pet is delivered first, making summoner flag, then the dmg is reflected, and the cat dies, but since the cat is flagged, noone goes red.
Then how do i avoid going red when someone is doing that crap on me?
There's just no way for me not to reflect as im a tank. Got built-in 10% reflect from my pasives.
Then how do i avoid going red when someone is doing that crap on me?
There's just no way for me not to reflect as im a tank. Got built-in 10% reflect from my pasives.
Just don't go afk.
You missed the whole point. There is no way to avoid this, because you get karma after 1 single hit.
But please, enlight us how many ways you can avoid this (except not using buffs that reflect damage or epics), when you do not know if some summoner just wanna make you karma by 1 hit.
I got karma on my iss and healer in dark elf village without doing anything. Wanna know the worse part? Due to poor system message you can not even see who was the owner of cougars (only show cougar attack you). So how can you report someone without a proof? (when no action is taken even with video proof)
ps: i know it has use agaisnt bots, but also affects legit players. Bots can play without daring sonata, hell they can play unbuffed at all 24/7 ftw...
I will not post how to avoid it here because bots will enter those in their scripts. If you really want to know pm me in game, chronos server
Nah, dont do anything, 3 BOT parties down(which btw it's bots that i already reported twice when they were NOT-awakened) on naia on gog lower behind the building. (ofc SH came for rescue and got pwned by 90 chars:)) LOVE U BABY :* ty for free green nick and frags.
Today i saw this working with dagger and healer against a tank in the swamp. The guy was just taking his quest, when the dagger backstabbed him and died, and then the tank got karma. Ofc the healer ressed the dagger asap and ... well you get the picture.
Every hour this bug is using more and more people will soon no longer be out of town. I want to know when it will correct administration or will take action.:mad:
Every hour this bug is using more and more people will soon no longer be out of town. I want to know when it will correct administration or will take action.:mad:
When more bots start to report it, they will do something.
Normal legit ppl reports aint gonna make them do anything.
Today some guys went to disturb me Cyan is making an exploit, he went to disturb and took his entire clan :( and then he summoned his wolf and made my boyfriend get karma, and we can't take his karma off please fix this is totally unfair, what happen if he drops? he is a tank and obv. reflects :/ pretty please fix this asap it's a really fool way of getting karma without wanting.:confused::confused::mad:
Today some guys went to disturb me Cyan is making an exploit, he went to disturb and took his entire clan :( and then he summoned his wolf and made my boyfriend get karma, and we can't take his karma off please fix this is totally unfair, what happen if he drops? he is a tank and obv. reflects :/ pretty please fix this asap it's a really fool way of getting karma without wanting.:confused::confused::mad:
funny part of this exploit is that the one getting f´ed only gets 80 to 180karma which is done with hmm, lets say 6mobs in swamps, saw some summoner trying to gank a wiz in swamp, wasnt even able to kill him until the mage turned white again. And killing the pet doesnt give you pk count so worst case you loose 5%.
Today some guys went to disturb me Cyan is making an exploit, he went to disturb and took his entire clan :( and then he summoned his wolf and made my boyfriend get karma, and we can't take his karma off please fix this is totally unfair, what happen if he drops? he is a tank and obv. reflects :/ pretty please fix this asap it's a really fool way of getting karma without wanting.:confused::confused::mad:
You need 31 PKs to drop..also i've never had a problem, and i only do this to people who are obviously cheating and i've yet to see anyone of my friends and clan to actually have problems with this, nobody complained..only the botters.
You need 31 PKs to drop..also i've never had a problem, and i only do this to people who are obviously cheating and i've yet to see anyone of my friends and clan to actually have problems with this, nobody complained..only the botters.
I`m complaining, and i`m not botter. FU and all others "abusers".
..also i've never had a problem, and i only do this to people who are obviously cheating and i've yet to see anyone of my friends and clan to actually have problems with this, nobody complained..only the botters.
Yeah pretty much this is the situation.
Sure some "geniuses" will abuse it on few people they "hate" but generally the bots get faked by this exploit.
Swamp early at night is like 50 bots...Swamp early in the morning is like 50 dead bots..
You need 31 PKs to drop..also i've never had a problem, and i only do this to people who are obviously cheating and i've yet to see anyone of my friends and clan to actually have problems with this, nobody complained..only the botters.
I`m complaining, and i`m not botter. FU and all others "abusers".
Sure, only botters complain ingame, not legits. Since you said FU to me who only uses this on cheaters, you must obviously be a butthurt cheater yourself i assume.
"There are murderers walking the streets. Lets give everyone a gun and tell them its ok to shoot anyone at all, by pure dumb luck they will kill a few of the murderers while they randomly shoot ppl"
Explain where this tank did something wrong to deserve karma?
i dont know when i said some random tank deserved getting karma or not, but how about you got the karma and lets say you died loosing the given 5%.
And it would be quite fun to hear from a tank not able to loose the ~150karma in swamps before some1 kills him.
I would be laughing hard about myself, logging a healer or getting a clannie to 100% rez me if i was on one of my carebear days about xp. Or heck, go for it and pk that guy for real when he already turned you red anyways. Not that i takes 1 Kartia 85 to wash off up to 10k Karma. Once upon a time we should learn from the bots. Check the selmahum guys, they dont have daring sonata buff anymore. IF you are so carebear about the buff then get yourself +rep. You loose frankly a lot if you have >+500 rep but the less you have the less you loose from "magicly" pking pets. Every1 knows this isnt working the way its meant to be, but it was fixed in oversees so, lets chill and let it go.
PS. to the fellow ISS and Healers beneath us, healing the pets of ppl who are obviously preparing to turn you red works wonders!
So elrohir, what about less balling on forums and more making-friends ingame to mb get them to rez you?
i dont know when i said some random tank deserved getting karma or not, but how about you got the karma and lets say you died loosing the given 5%.
And it would be quite fun to hear from a tank not able to loose the ~150karma in swamps before some1 kills him.
I would be laughing hard about myself, logging a healer or getting a clannie to 100% rez me if i was on one of my carebear days about xp. Or heck, go for it and pk that guy for real when he already turned you red anyways. Not that i takes 1 Kartia 85 to wash off up to 10k Karma. Once upon a time we should learn from the bots. Check the selmahum guys, they dont have daring sonata buff anymore. IF you are so carebear about the buff then get yourself +rep. You loose frankly a lot if you have >+500 rep but the less you have the less you loose from "magicly" pking pets. Every1 knows this isnt working the way its meant to be, but it was fixed in oversees so, lets chill and let it go.
PS. to the fellow ISS and Healers beneath us, healing the pets of ppl who are obviously preparing to turn you red works wonders!
So elrohir, what about less balling on forums and more making-friends ingame to mb get them to rez you?
Wow, dude. First, this has never happened to me. Second, if you're a tank, you get karma whether or not you have the Iss buff. It's not like they can turn it off. So, regardless of how easy it is to remove the karma and back to my original question, what did the tank do wrong to earn the karma?
Wow, dude. First, this has never happened to me. Second, if you're a tank, you get karma whether or not you have the Iss buff. It's not like they can turn it off. So, regardless of how easy it is to remove the karma and back to my original question, what did the tank do wrong to earn the karma?
Im not sure if you know it, but repeating rhetorical questions doesnt give them any more meaning but beeing rhetorical :) But since your so anger about getting an answer, let me repeat it : nah i wont, just kidding ;)
Im not sure if you know it, but repeating rhetorical questions doesnt give them any more meaning but beeing rhetorical :) But since your so anger about getting an answer, let me repeat it : nah i wont, just kidding ;)
lol. I'm not "so anger" at anything on these forums or in game.
"There are murderers walking the streets. Lets give everyone a gun and tell them its ok to shoot anyone at all, by pure dumb luck they will kill a few of the murderers while they randomly shoot ppl"
Oh wait....
One evil doesnt justify another evil.
Did you just compare pixels with people dying?
I can say i've seen everything now. You could have just said the last quote, and it would have turned out much smarter...
PS: i yet have to seen anyone ingame complaining from this. I go everywhere but i only see this done to bots.
Sure, only botters complain ingame, not legits. Since you said FU to me who only uses this on cheaters, you must obviously be a butthurt cheater yourself i assume.
PS: i yet have to seen anyone ingame complaining from this. I go everywhere but i only see this done to bots.
Why you are so sure only botters complain and not legits? I already have over 30 pk on my char and when i get red, i drop. I`m not a saint, but when i choose to make karma, is my choice not others.
Other than that, even on a simple pet i get over 4k karma now and is not 3 mobs clean, is waste of time and xp. SO HELL YEA, i`m complaining.
I'd love to know how to bot lol, but im new in official server and in high chronicles, i don't have any idea from the kamael chronicles or higher, miracle that i made awakening some chars using the legal methods, i was just in disgrace trying to make awakening other 2 chars i have using a tyrr, and some asians came to steal mobs, then they called 7 for kill 2 ( me and my boy) and i wasn't going to give them the pleasure of killing me with that kind of advantage, and they made my boyf, pk with a wolf :S, i wasn't botting, but well i don't need to give any explanations anyway, and if people is so attacking "bot users" and paranoid, it's because they got tired of botting and making 5 chars awakening in 1 month, anyway botting has no point, you dont have any memory about ur chars fisrt days, any experience in how to use it, you just start using it at 85, it makes no sense to me, you have to deposit your time in your char. so stop ur female dog talk about bots you paranoid
yeah well it is a exploit and is being used to death by wynn in swampland got turn red 5 time today and now Im leaving the game till it sorted ,cant lvl becoz of being red and getting delvl all the time for being red GET THIS GOD **** THING FIXED
yeah well it is a exploit and is being used to death by wynn in swampland got turn red 5 time today and now Im leaving the game till it sorted ,cant lvl becoz of being red and getting delvl all the time for being red GET THIS GOD **** THING FIXED
Flag the summoner before they hit you, kinda easy to see a summoner comming with low hp pets
Flag the summoner before they hit you, kinda easy to see a summoner comming with low hp pets
not when your just finishing the daily and talking to the npc and he turns evey one red
and what the hell im red and I did'nt hit any one then you get jumped and dead in 2 sec's
yeah well it is a exploit and is being used to death by wynn in swampland got turn red 5 time today and now Im leaving the game till it sorted ,cant lvl becoz of being red and getting delvl all the time for being red GET THIS GOD **** THING FIXED
common sense says don't go afk or bot, and if it happened five times we can assume one on the other..
Who cares what analogy was used. You just like exploiting, it's ok, just admit it.
Who cares, bots are all over gog lower where i want to solo, they exploit gameguard, so i rly dont have issue being "mean" to them:). Plus i know you're having your fun too.
Who cares, bots are all over gog lower where i want to solo, they exploit gameguard, so i rly dont have issue being "mean" to them:). Plus i know you're having your fun too.
lower gog situation is getting ridiculous true enough and as such I'm happy for Tauti as at least then there will be more xp spots for 90+ :)
Who cares what analogy was used. You just like exploiting, it's ok, just admit it.
It's not exploiting for one it's not a 100 percent unless you use blazing or freezing skin, reflect damage is not an exploit. There are raid bosses that have this on them and if you attack them you die also, so if it's one way it's the other.
You don't want people doing to you here are some hints.
Get a green name. It won't work on green names! How do I get a green name, make an alt pk someone and kill it..
Don't take daring sonata. Or any relfect damage buff.
yes I am using it, on bots. It works wonders!
See a mage type of character don't bot and dont fight near them, if a sps or sorc gives you blazing skin alt click it off.
Oh yea don't go afk in towns where players can attack you, you pretty much have to be an idiot for someone to use this on you. I mean it's not like you can't see the person using attacks on their pets to get it to 0 health.
If this is an exploit why aren't drains on a person not flagged an exploit also, it's game mechanics.
Pretty much learn the game.
So come back with some bogus analogy because we are all sick of your post, when nc calls it an exploit then complain, either deal with it or do it yourself. You want to suggest it be removed go head and suggest it, but I will be there to knock your suggestion down like you do to every suggestion made..
Get a green name. It won't work on green names! How do I get a green name, make an alt pk someone and kill it..
You sure? You don't get a PK point, technically.
Don't take daring sonata. Or any relfect damage buff.
Care to tell this to a tank, too?
Oh yea don't go afk in towns where players can attack you
Since when you can attack players in towns?
If this is an exploit why aren't drains on a person not flagged an exploit also, it's game mechanics.
Drains...or DoTs? :rolleyes:
Dark elf village,, dwarven village places you can attack in, and no you can't kill a green named player they won't turn red. Everyone should learn the game if you are a tank be aware of your surroundings.. Dots drains are the same thing don't try to act all high mighty you know what it is I am talking about, you want to troll go elsewhere.
If you are green they only need to do it to you twice instead of once. First time you turn white, second time you turn red.
Also dark elf village and dwarven village (or any other former starter village) do not have their merchant and quest NPC anymore and are considered destroyed and abandoned according to game lore. So they are no towns anymore in this game version.
If you are green they only need to do it to you twice instead of once. First time you turn white, second time you turn red.
Also dark elf village and dwarven village (or any other former starter village) do not have their merchant and quest NPC anymore and are considered destroyed and abandoned according to game lore. So they are no towns anymore in this game version.
Insignificant details to try to be right on something that really doesn't matter. People use an soe and think I am safe now, biggest point. I have tried to use reflect damage on someone with a green name and it did not work with even 20 percent reflect damage, so unless I am missing something it doesn't work, and even if it did, letting someone do it to you twice in a row is laughable, point two. Once the pet dies it needs to be re-lowed to 0 hp, and most of the time the summoner will flag. Oh one last thing blazing skin does not over-right sonata's read daring sonata and see where it's not 100 percent..
Dark elf village,, dwarven village places you can attack in, and no you can't kill a green named player they won't turn red. Everyone should learn the game if you are a tank be aware of your surroundings..
They're not peace zones but hunting grounds, if you want to be smart at least try reading under your radar when you port there.
IOnce the pet dies it needs to be re-lowed to 0 hp, and most of the time the summoner will flag. Oh one last thing blazing skin does not over-right sonata's read daring sonata and see where it's not 100 percent..
Summoners don't flag when hitting or DoTting their pets...
They're not peace zones but hunting grounds, if you want to be smart at least try reading under your radar when you port there.
Summoners don't flag when hitting or DoTting their pets...
Nor old buffs can overwrite the new buffs.
Learn the game, uhmmmm?
Most of the time with daring sonata the summoner will flag because it's a chance, with blazing it's a guarantee, that is what I was saying obviously you can't put two and two together. What does this mean: nor old buff can overwrite new buffs? Just spam. Already established earlier in this conversation when I said summoners can use dots drains to get people to die, are you a smart person or what. Scroll up for fail or read the quote below. About the hunting zone like said to other person people use an soe and think they are safe, and they are clearly not.. Once again read before repeating same things over and over
If this is an exploit why aren't drains on a person not flagged an exploit also, it's game mechanics.
What does this mean: nor old buff can overwrite new buffs? Just spam.
When other people don't understand you because you express yourself awkwardly ("towns where you can be attacked") it is their fault and they are stupid. If you don't understand other people because they express themselves awkwardly it is also their fault and they write just spam.
I will enlighten you what "nor old buff can overwrite new buffs" means. Nor is the second part of the expression "Neither (this), nor (that)". Tiferet1 wrote that neither will summoners flag upon lowering their pet's hp, nor can an old buff overwrite a new buff. It is not really hard to understand. Maybe try to read a second time before dismissing other posts as "spam". And don't be so full of yourself, Mr. know-it-all.
Yay, finally someone who can translate my words to the masses!
It's pretty obvious that Freezing/Blazing can't overwrite Daring Sonata, despite the fact they give a higher reflecting power. Because they're old buffs, while Daring Sonata is an Iss buff. Have you ever tried to use dances/songs with a Harmony on? Almost all of them don't even show up on your buff bar because they get automatically overwritten by the Harmony. (Some time ago there was this trick to use Knight Harmony on healers and mages and provide them with Rhythm of Start and something else, to give them both pdef and casting speed/reuse. This is no longer viable after some patch.)
Oh, and about DoTting/hitting pets, since I'm a healer/summoner, I know what I'm talking about, because I hit my tree more than once and never flagged -.-''
When other people don't understand you because you express yourself awkwardly ("towns where you can be attacked") it is their fault and they are stupid. If you don't understand other people because they express themselves awkwardly it is also their fault and they write just spam.
I will enlighten you what "nor old buff can overwrite new buffs" means. Nor is the second part of the expression "Neither (this), nor (that)". Tiferet1 wrote that neither will summoners flag upon lowering their pet's hp, nor can an old buff overwrite a new buff. It is not really hard to understand. Maybe try to read a second time before dismissing other posts as "spam". And don't be so full of yourself, Mr. know-it-all.
Point is had already been established if you scroll up, you can clearly see I already stated that if using reflect to kill people as an "exploit" why isn't using dots drains to kill people an "exploit" also.
So then to use that in some sort of forum bashing later to try to make me look wrong is just spam. I already established you flag when using dots, on people , so why even write any response? If a person doesn't know how to express themselves don't post later, and clearly try to remember points in the argument, it makes you look foolish. Taking things out of context, and miss quoting is not my responsibility it's the poster.
Everyone using DoTs on people does get flagged. Where did you pull such thing out from?
It's the fact that you can DoT unflagged characters the (possible) exploit.
I think since we are talking about flaggin when using dots, and not flagging when using a pet to hit a person things are getting confusing, but either way if one is an exploit why isn't the other?
Despite Shiki's advice to read at least twice before posting, I still can't understand what point are you trying to make.
I just noticed how you changed your post (from "dotting people doesn't make summoners flag" to the complete opposite) after mine. It can be a case of your usual careless wording, or that you fail at following that advice O.o
Despite Shiki's advice to read at least twice before posting, I still can't understand what point are you trying to make.
I just noticed how you changed your post (from "dotting people doesn't make summoners flag" to the complete opposite) after mine. It can be a case of your usual careless wording, or that you fail at following that advice O.o
Well if you look at the times of my edits everything matches up, you wrote later than the times of my edits not sure what this edit things is about, I guess you should have quoted me.
Clearly we are off the topic. The point is this is not an exploit, it's game mechanics. Deal with it or move on.
You know the game is messed up when a white flagged attacker attacks a white flagged defender, and the outcome of it all is a red defender. If there was any penalty involved in such actions (aka going red), it should go to the attacker, not the defender.
Ppl seem to ignore this based solely on the fact that they can kill bots with it.
Putting reflect on orbis mobs to kill high lvl cheaters got a real quick "bannable offence" stamp, how come this doesnt?
Sace? Have we had enough of this exploit to make it bannable yet, or do we need to go mess with the new players? Or perhaps we need to attack the high lvl cheaters again?
You know the game is messed up when a white flagged attacker attacks a white flagged defender, and the outcome of it all is a red defender. If there was any penalty involved in such actions (aka going red), it should go to the attacker, not the defender.
Ppl seem to ignore this based solely on the fact that they can kill bots with it.
Putting reflect on orbis mobs to kill high lvl cheaters got a real quick "bannable offence" stamp, how come this doesnt?
Sace? Have we had enough of this exploit to make it bannable yet, or do we need to go mess with the new players? Or perhaps we need to attack the high lvl cheaters again?
You can't put reflect on mobs in Orbits?
Well I get where Smitty disagrees with the mechanics of allowing a player to make another player go red, but it involves a variable and that variable is what makes it not an exploit, because not everyone will have daring sonata or reflect damage buffs like blazing skin, to go red.
You'd then have to make a sps or sorc to make these people go red by buffing them with so buff, and like I've stated knowing your surroundings has always been important in this game, you should always notice when a person is watching you and be aware of what they are or might do.
I blame NC for people using it on bots, because that is my reason to use it and why I see it acceptable! I have a green name anyways so if a person was to use it on me gl with that...
NC needs to do something with bots but aren't, so players are taking matters into their own hands, even if it wasn't making them go red with a summoners pet or any pet lowed to hp, I'd be draining there health with a summoner and letting mobs kill them, or training them with aggressive mobs. ALso, it will be fixed, but lets enjoy it until it does.
If Tiferet1 thinks Bryce9 is editing to cover something up, I think 1 should start quoting 9.
Or is there a 5 around to act as middle ground? lol
LOL, I get what you did there, that was funny! Off topic, my first character was named Bryce and I wanted my forum user name to be the same I guess it was taken. I wish is wasn't Byrce9, its lame :D Maybe a gm can fix it to Bryce :D
It doesnt involve any variables, stop trying to defend an obvoius exploit.
This is how game has worked since forever:
Both players start as white.
1. A attacks B.
2. A flags purple from this, b stays white (notice this happens even if B has reflect dmg buffs on).
3. A kills B. A turns red from this. A penalty imposed for killing someone in an interaction where one part wasnt participating.
In the exploit case, the attacker has no penalty at all, the defender can even be afk, and when defender comes back, he is penalized for having killed someone, without any form of action at all.
In korea they have already change the timing rules on this interaction, to where the defender (person B) doesnt even flag/go red.
I suggest they make it a bannable offence here until the change gets here in a patch.
As for if you can or cannot put reflect buff on mobs in Orbis. I have not gone there to check if you actually can, since it was announced a bannable offence, a mere week or two after it was brought up on forums.
This exploit however, that actually involves a lot more ppl, seem to be ignored, and I'm starting to wonder why.
LOL, I get what you did there, that was funny! Off topic, my first character was named Bryce and I wanted my forum user name to be the same I guess it was taken. I wish is wasn't Byrce9, its lame :D Maybe a gm can fix it to Bryce :D
Not a GM but probably a CM.
PM Sace and see if she can do it for you.
And ya, I didnt find it a bit funny that two ppl with names at the end were debating.
It doesnt involve any variables, stop trying to defend an obvoius exploit.
This is how game has worked since forever:
Both players start as white.
1. A attacks B.
2. A flags purple from this, b stays white (notice this happens even if B has reflect dmg buffs on).
3. A kills B. A turns red from this. A penalty imposed for killing someone in an interaction where one part wasnt participating.
In the exploit case, the attacker has no penalty at all, the defender can even be afk, and when defender comes back, he is penalized for having killed someone, without any form of action at all.
In korea they have already change the timing rules on this interaction, to where the defender (person B) doesnt even flag/go red.
I suggest they make it a bannable offence here until the change gets here in a patch.
As for if you can or cannot put reflect buff on mobs in Orbis. I have not gone there to check if you actually can, since it was announced a bannable offence, a mere week or two after it was brought up on forums.
This exploit however, that actually involves a lot more ppl, seem to be ignored, and I'm starting to wonder why.
Of course it has a variable with no reflect damage = no red.
I never saw a post about Orbits and they might want to announce that more, because even as a reader on the forums I didn't read see it..
We have been able to have reflect dmg on for 8 years without going red if someone attacks us, even if they kill themselves from attacking us.
Unless you can find a reason for this change in the patch notes, someone must have botched up the game. And if they didnt botch it up, why have korea fixed it already? Does that not tell us there is something wrong with this?
And pls tell me how the tanks get rid of reflect dmg, when its built in to their passives.
Are you telling me the penalty for going afk on a tank should be to come back red, and probably dead?
We have been able to have reflect dmg on for 8 years without going red if someone attacks us, even if they kill themselves from attacking us.
Unless you can find a reason for this change in the patch notes, someone must have botched up the game. And if they didnt botch it up, why have korea fixed it already? Does that not tell us there is something wrong with this?
And pls tell me how the tanks get rid of reflect dmg, when its built in to their passives.
Are you telling me the penalty for going afk on a tank should be to come back red, and probably dead?
Varaibles
1. need reflect damage.
2. pet needs to die for the person to go red.
It's the guarantee that makes it not an exploit I can't run around attacking ppl with a pet that has low hp and be like he will go red, it's not so simple it's actually pretty complex.
I am not sure about tanks, I don't know the percent of reflect damage a tank has, but if you do 100 damage to a tank and have 10% reflect damage, that means the pet will take 10 hp, so it needs to be at 0-10 hp it's not so simple to do. Very hard with out a summoners drains/dots, so maybe if you see that class leave or soe..
It will be fixed, as a lot of other things should be, you shouldn't be able to drain non flagged players.. You shouldn't be able to buff other people who are not in party.
I can understand it's bad uses but as long as you are aware of your surroundings how logical is it that a person will be able to use it on you.
1. need reflect damage.
2. pet needs to die for the person to go red.
It's the guarantee that makes it not an exploit I can't run around attacking ppl with a pet that has low hp and be like he will go red, it's not so simple it's actually pretty complex.
I am not sure about tanks, I don't know the percent of reflect damage a tank has, but if you do 100 damage to a tank and have 10% reflect damage, that means the pet will take 10 hp, so it needs to be at 0-10 hp it's not so simple to do. Very hard with out a summoners drains/dots, so maybe if you see that class leave or soe..
It will be fixed, as a lot of other things should be, you shouldn't be able to drain non flagged players.. You shouldn't be able to buff other people who are not in party.
I can understand it's bad uses but as long as you are aware of your surroundings how logical is it that a person will be able to use it on you.
By chance, do you play on Chronos? If so, please leave character name, usual hunting spot, and normal play times here. I'll be sure to post a follow up screen shot of the results.
2. People will have to report it by submitting support ticket.
But if some botter does that, then his character will be investigated in order to check if he was victim of the exploit. The problem is that the GM will also see he is a botter.
Apparently legit don't care but botters do...and all they can do is whine about it in forum.
1. need reflect damage.
2. pet needs to die for the person to go red.
It's the guarantee that makes it not an exploit I can't run around attacking ppl with a pet that has low hp and be like he will go red, it's not so simple it's actually pretty complex.
I am not sure about tanks, I don't know the percent of reflect damage a tank has, but if you do 100 damage to a tank and have 10% reflect damage, that means the pet will take 10 hp, so it needs to be at 0-10 hp it's not so simple to do. Very hard with out a summoners drains/dots, so maybe if you see that class leave or soe..
It will be fixed, as a lot of other things should be, you shouldn't be able to drain non flagged players.. You shouldn't be able to buff other people who are not in party.
I can understand it's bad uses but as long as you are aware of your surroundings how logical is it that a person will be able to use it on you.
Mr. Smart defender of this exploit, please let me make it clear.
You cannot pay attention 100% all the time 360 degree around you for every mindless person that thinks is funny to make other people red. Is not like you see a wartag and you are ready to do something about it, is simple 1 hit and you are red.
You cannot compare this EXPLOIT with mage/summoner dots, which unfair they are, you still have a chance to do something about it and clearly you are not going to be red after that.
Like i said before, is awesome agaisnt bots, but should not be used agaisnt real players.
ps: i`m pretty sure you are abusing this as we speak and trying to keep it possible.
ps2: i agree with smittie about buffing orbis mobs be banable (which again, could be easily avoided by real people) and this, which is clearly "not as intended" still not banable or fixed at least.
Mr. Smart defender of this exploit, please let me make it clear.
You cannot pay attention 100% all the time 360 degree around you for every mindless person that thinks is funny to make other people red. Is not like you see a wartag and you are ready to do something about it, is simple 1 hit and you are red.
You cannot compare this EXPLOIT with mage/summoner dots, which unfair they are, you still have a chance to do something about it and clearly you are not going to be red after that.
Like i said before, is awesome agaisnt bots, but should not be used agaisnt real players.
ps: i`m pretty sure you are abusing this as we speak and trying to keep it possible.
ps2: i agree with smittie about buffing orbis mobs be banable (which again, could be easily avoided by real people) and this, which is clearly "not as intended" still not banable or fixed at least.
LOL so defensive. I use it against bots and only bots. Are you a botter? Also even with a screen shot good luck with that, it won't say the characters name who sent out the pets, it just says the pets name(kind of pet) that attacked the person... Face it, even if it goes ban-able peope are still going to still do it, just like botting. Until they implement the fix it will still happen... You guys know of the "exploit" protect yourself or don't play... It's working as intended! I play on chronos I hunt bots at COD and swamp, come at me bro! :)
2. People will have to report it by submitting support ticket.
But if some botter does that, then his character will be investigated in order to check if he was victim of the exploit. The problem is that the gm will also see he is a botter.
Apparently legit don't care but botters do...and all they can do is whine about it in forum.
LOL so defensive. I use it against bots and only bots. Are you a botter? Also even with a screen shot good luck with that, it won't say the characters name who sent out the pets, it just says the pets name(kind of pet) that attacked the person... Face it, even if it goes ban-able peope are still going to still do it, just like botting. Until they implement the fix it will still happen... You guys know of the "exploit" protect yourself or don't play... It's working as intended! I play on chronos I hunt bots at COD and swamp, come at me bro! :)
LOL i`m defensive or you are?
YOU are the one defending the exploit just because you are abusing it
YOU are the one who keep trying to distract people from this, pretending you dont know the mechanics behind this in your posts, but in the end you admit that you are abusing the exploit.
OK lets pretend you are only using it on bots (i`m pretty sure u had some fun against legit players too, but w/e). THERE ARE OTHER PLAYERS who think this is fun using it on legit players like me. NO mr. exploiter, i`m not a botter, i worked hard till lvl 93, while others with video proof of botting are 97 or more and nobody does nothing about it.
ps: i have summoner too, i have pets on my non summoner char.. i could EXPLOIT too. Why i`m not doing it? BECAUSE IS WRONG, just like botting. If you use this agaisnt legit players, you are nothing better than a botter.
2. People will have to report it by submitting support ticket.
But if some botter does that, then his character will be investigated in order to check if he was victim of the exploit. The problem is that the GM will also see he is a botter.
Apparently legit don't care but botters do...and all they can do is whine about it in forum.
1) the amount of adena they get all day and then sold for real money.
2) lv up pretty much over 90.
3) not only a character, are about 4 by a party.
now it is going to do anything, because I've sent requests and still there happy life these bots.
why not?:
1) raise the exp of kartias (Solo & Group) by doing both get 12% if you are at lv 90.
2) As a reward the kartias also give adena. (3kk)
is a pretty crazy but would slow the advantage so disgusting, that make these bots.
I work and study and just play 1 to 2 hours a day, sometimes I can not, and these bots are lvl 24 hours and taking adena, will have billions and will remain so.
Do something, so it is like this, because you are losing a lot of people, I see more bots that active people lv.
Almost everyone who enjoys griefing claims they "only do it to bots". Of course their methods of bot detection (when they actually care) are laughable.
I said "hi" and you didn't respond. You're a bot!
I flagged on you and you didn't respond. You're a bot!
I was bored and wanted to grief. You're a bot!
And so it goes. I really wish these griefers would just drop the pretense and just grief people. It's so much more honest that way.
It has been fixed in Korea already, not even 24hours after the exploit being posted here
by "They" I mean of course NC West GM/devs aka our game version, who either don't want to bother with the code or/and are not allowed to do any changes to the code.
DoT a character, wait 5-10 minutes, TOP clan (it's always TOP clan, don't forget) comes to kill you no matter where you are, low zone/med/high. There. Also it becomes evident when it's always the same player that comes kill you, i've had the same player in every ocasion when i did it on GOG.
Other method: Use DoTs on non-awakened parties, the healer will keep spamming the Purify skill, but it will never cleanse it, but they will keep doing it till their MP is drained.
Other method: Have the tank on karma, and 4 players will flag, they will keep flaging no matter who you are. In the meantime, a group of TOP clan will come to get wiped by me and my buddies.
Otherobvious method: Check statues for players who have killed 30 thousand monsters per day. Over a million monsters per month.
Almost everyone who enjoys griefing claims they "only do it to bots". Of course their methods of bot detection (when they actually care) are laughable.
I said "hi" and you didn't respond. You're a bot!
I flagged on you and you didn't respond. You're a bot!
I was bored and wanted to grief. You're a bot!
And so it goes. I really wish these griefers would just drop the pretense and just grief people. It's so much more honest that way.
Don't cry here go and submit support ticket if anyone has used this exploit on you. TY
YOU are the one defending the exploit just because you are abusing it
YOU are the one who keep trying to distract people from this, pretending you dont know the mechanics behind this in your posts, but in the end you admit that you are abusing the exploit.
OK lets pretend you are only using it on bots (i`m pretty sure u had some fun against legit players too, but w/e). THERE ARE OTHER PLAYERS who think this is fun using it on legit players like me. NO mr. exploiter, i`m not a botter, i worked hard till lvl 93, while others with video proof of botting are 97 or more and nobody does nothing about it.
ps: i have summoner too, i have pets on my non summoner char.. i could EXPLOIT too. Why i`m not doing it? BECAUSE IS WRONG, just like botting. If you use this agaisnt legit players, you are nothing better than a botter.
One big problem, this has not been verified as an exploit, only you and the other complainers are calling so, it is also not against the rules for it has not be announced as an exploit. Wrong or right has no factor, people do wrong all the time in this game, you either use or don't, simple...
Second big problem this seems to be more worried about than actually botting and RLMT, nice priorities! Last your big red letters do nothing for your argument!
Smitty if you feel tough leave your ingame characters name as well, unless you are a Hypocrite.
One big problem, this has not been verified as an exploit, only you and the other complainers are calling so, it is also not against the rules for it has not be announced as an exploit. Wrong or right has no factor, people do wrong all the time in this game, you either use or don't, simple...
Second big problem this seems to be more worried about than actually botting and RLMT, nice priorities! Last your big red letters do nothing for your argument!
Smitty if you feel tough leave your ingame characters name as well, unless you are a Hypocrite.
Mine is Ipwn, still waiting on yours superstar. I want to get that screen shot posted up.
Btw, no one is saying it's currently against the rules. I've even been there when it's been used to take care of certain toons, but what people are saying is that it'd be better for them to officially declare it an exploit and ban the use of it. You seem to think that you could avoid it happening to you, and I'll be glad to show you that that is not the case.
One big problem, this has not been verified as an exploit, only you and the other complainers are calling so, it is also not against the rules for it has not be announced as an exploit. Wrong or right has no factor, people do wrong all the time in this game, you either use or don't, simple...
Second big problem this seems to be more worried about than actually botting and RLMT, nice priorities! Last your big red letters do nothing for your argument!
Smitty if you feel tough leave your ingame characters name as well, unless you are a Hypocrite.
Mine is Ipwn, still waiting on yours superstar. I want to get that screen shot posted up.
Ohhh Bryce owned. Anyways to stay on topic, This is getting ridiculous, My party and I we're about to do apheroes or whatever the hell it is called in GOG, next thing you know 2 of my members are red. There was 2 summoners, around the corner who sent their cougars over to us. Like come on seriously? Getting out of hand.
Ohhh Bryce owned. Anyways to stay on topic, This is getting ridiculous, My party and I we're about to do apheroes or whatever the hell it is called in GOG, next thing you know 2 of my members are red. There was 2 summoners, around the corner who sent their cougars over to us. Like come on seriously? Getting out of hand.
Owned? Yeah I was at GOG also and 5 people that were in my party went red because of some summoners, Yeah I can say stuff out of the air also, where is the proof? Even if it's being used in a bad way it's going to be hard as heck to prove it. My othells name is Tr4pt but I have many other characters btw..
Proof? I took a screenshot of the summoners and my red party, and sent it to ncsoft. I don't need to share my "proof" with you. I simply stated that this problem has happened to me.
Don't cry here go and submit support ticket if anyone has used this exploit on you. TY
No one has used it on me so no crying here.
What happened to people? They used to take pride in their griefing. There were people who were [in]famous for training people in Cruma for their drops. They bragged about it. The villains were lauded for their actions.
Now it's all "I only do it to bots" people, when in fact they do it to anyone...
Second big problem this seems to be more worried about than actually botting and RLMT, nice priorities! Last your big red letters do nothing for your argument!
more bla bla bla...
If you could see half of my deleted post agaisnt bots, you wouldnt make comments like this.
This topic is not about bots, there are several other topics about bots. This topic is about this "exploit"
Here is the definition, maybe will enlight you.
An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw including glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers. It is often colloquially abbreviated sploit. Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating; however, the precise determination of what is or is not considered an exploit can be controversial. This debate stems from a number of factors but typically involves the argument that the issues are part of the game and require no changes or external programs to take advantage of them.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_(online_gaming)
oh wait, there is more... someone already mentioned this somewhere, but here it is again.
Game mechanics
Taking advantage of the systems that make up the gameplay. A game mechanics exploit is not a bug—it is working as designed, but at the same time is not working as intended.
If you could see half of my deleted post agaisnt bots, you wouldnt make comments like this.
This topic is not about bots, there are several other topics about bots. This topic is about this "exploit"
Here is the definition, maybe will enlight you.
oh wait, there is more... someone already mentioned this somewhere, but here it is again.
You trying to convince me or yourself, cause honestly I don't care :D
Only care about what the gm's say thank you for playing please cry again..
If you could see half of my deleted post agaisnt bots, you wouldnt make comments like this.
This topic is not about bots, there are several other topics about bots. This topic is about this "exploit"
Here is the definition, maybe will enlight you.
oh wait, there is more... someone already mentioned this somewhere, but here it is again.
Seeing how NCSoft is already aware of this issue and wasn't fixed in the maintenance, noone has reported getting banned for this so called "exploit", it's starting to look as if GAME ON is the word. Just have to watch for stray pets that run in your area I guess.
Seeing how NCSoft is already aware of this issue and wasn't fixed in the maintenance, noone has reported getting banned for this so called "exploit", it's starting to look as if GAME ON is the word. Just have to watch for stray pets that run in your area I guess.
Its not an "exploit". Its an exploit. Pure common sense.
The staff has chosen not take any action against it. As if it wasn't. But they also informed at the same time that people may get ban if they abuse it.
The point is that people are aware of it and can protect themselves and also there wont be 45745765 threads saying "bug" "fix" "why I am red?"
I just experienced this glitch firsthand, a summoner thought it would have been nice to make me flag (because my party was bot hunting), and dotted his summon, but I quickly replaced my Freya and clicked away Daring Sonata and he flagged and died ;) and kept calling us names XD
I just experienced this glitch firsthand, a summoner thought it would have been nice to make me flag (because my party was bot hunting), and dotted his summon, but I quickly replaced my Freya and clicked away Daring Sonata and he flagged and died ;) and kept calling us names XD
i did the same as you, i was exping in gog (as usually) and since its full of summoners (but i kill more faster) i saw one of those summoner lowing the hp of 1 summon just to make me PK, for surprise i was aware and I was just w8ting for him to send them agains me ALT+CLICK FAST and flag xDD
I personally find griefing with summoner DoTs hilarious. Never ran into this pet thing before, just unequip anything that reflects while you xp?
I gave some good advice, on what to look for, but people would rather argue with if it's an exploit or not, or if you use it blah blah blah. Can it be called an exploit, who cares it's not called an exploit by the makers of the game. So go head call it what you want but the fact of the matter is, just like botting it's here to stay until the fix is implemented. Arguing, or whatever gets you no where fast.
If this was such an exploit this thread would have been deleted, plain and simple. I don't care if Korea fixed it, until it's fixed here it's game on and not an exploit in my book. Screen shot me all you want, my summon is not my main actually was made to kill bots in the first place, so please don't ban my usless account with the summoner on it. LOL Just make another account and do it again :D F2p baby!
I gave some good advice, on what to look for, but people would rather argue with if it's an exploit or not, or if you use it blah blah blah. Can it be called an exploit, who cares it's not called an exploit by the makers of the game. So go head call it what you want but the fact of the matter is, just like botting it's here to stay until the fix is implemented. Arguing, or whatever gets you no where fast.
If this was such an exploit this thread would have been deleted, plain and simple. I don't care if Korea fixed it, until it's fixed here it's game on and not an exploit in my book. Screen shot me all you want, my summon is not my main actually was made to kill bots in the first place, so please don't ban my usless account with the summoner on it. LOL Just make another account and do it again :D F2p baby!
I don't recall the thread about reflect in Orbis being deleted... And that was deemed an exploit.
I don't recall the thread about reflect in Orbis being deleted... And that was deemed an exploit.
How do I know you be one to find something to write about that is irrelevant.
But i'll try to awnser; Maybe cause not everyone is high enough level to go to Orbis, and tbh who cares.
THIS thread..... tells you how to do the bug down to the t, you don't have to just go to one area, it can be done in any open combat area, throwing blazing skin on a mob is not really anything special we use to throw zerk on people back in the day to make them weaker it's pretty much the same thing, we also use to heal raidbosses and throw zerk on them...
How do I know you be one to find something to write about that is irrelevant.
But i'll try to awnser; Maybe cause not everyone is high enough level to go to Orbis, and tbh who cares.
THIS thread..... tells you how to do the bug down to the t, you don't have to just go to one area, it can be done in any open combat area, throwing blazing skin on a mob is not really anything special we use to throw zerk on people back in the day to make them weaker it's pretty much the same thing, we also use to heal raidbosses and throw zerk on them...
You probably don't understand that it started with reflect in Orbis, then buffing reflect damage on every mob was deemed an exploit; even in Korea this was corrected. The only weird thing is that NC here deemed it an exploit, while this one, albeit being corrected as well in Korean land of dreams, is still not officially flagged as such.
You probably don't understand that it started with reflect in Orbis, then buffing reflect damage on every mob was deemed an exploit; even in Korea this was corrected. The only weird thing is that NC here deemed it an exploit, while this one, albeit being corrected as well in Korean land of dreams, is still not officially flagged as such.
We can keep going over this and no matter what, just like coke is not pepsi even though they are both black and have sugar in them they are not the same. This is still not not same as an exploit and is not considered an exploit, think sace called it an a bug, that can't be considered an exploit because of the game mechanics.. But i'm done repeating that over and over, gl with your opinion, facts are more interesting..
We can keep going over this and no matter what, just like coke is not pepsi even though they are both black and have sugar in them they are not the same. This is still not not same as an exploit and is not considered an exploit, think sace called it an a bug, that can't be considered an exploit because of the game mechanics.. But i'm done repeating that over and over, gl with your opinion, facts are more interesting..
Well, using a bug is still exploiting something that's not working as designed by the devs.
The only people I see complaining are the ones botting and the bot protectors. I've seen firsthand which highers come to protect that bot or bots of theirs. You all know who you are just like most of us do, and this is the biggest reason people are using this bug.
A lot of players are sick and tired of people thinking they are so good at this game when they have botted their levels and botted their adena for the gear they wear. I'm very happy to see that these people are targeted; as are the ones that deem it fit to put favor in them.
Continue to take your screen-shots and submit them. I'm pretty sure that your logs will show some interesting things.
It makes my day when I see bots and their counter-parts die and lay on the ground for hours upon hours thinking that they are so witty leveling and making that adena. What a surprise it must be for them to come home and see that they are dead hahahah! Can you imagine the bot rage? (laughs and smiles) :)
You trying to convince me or yourself, cause honestly I don't care :D
Only care about what the gm's say thank you for playing please cry again..
For someone who dont care, you try very hard to convince everyone this is not an exploit.
The only people I see complaining are the ones botting and the bot protectors. .... lots of crap nonsense.... bla bla bla
Continue to take your screen-shots and submit them. I'm pretty sure that your logs will show some interesting things.
more bla bla
I say it before and i say it again. If could be use it only agaisnt bots, i would be number 1 suporter of this exploit. It was used agaisnt me and i`m not using any 3rd programs for me, neither running trains of bots.
Even if was only me (though there are other legit players complaining too) you are wrong. Wonder how you can know only bots complaining? You know me in game? Or all other posters till now??
I did screenshots and did 2 tickets till now only for this problem and a few tickets for bots, with video proof... they still playing without any check up so i give up on that.
ps: mr exploiter bryce, dont make new accounts only to counter attack this exploit (yes, this is a wild guess Razperil is Bryce, but hey... we can assume everything here, no? )
Ηι , i am seeing about "Clever" people be happy about to use this exploit , yeah exploit it is cause its unfair when u have ur spot , suddenly a buller to comes and saying "taken, leave" and if your answer is "no its mine" he starting to use this on you, and loosing this XP cause someone was the "clever one".
Also bots using this way to take rooms
Everyday in swamp a dude with name "Zivala" , likes to "play" and put people to karma cause he feels good , also "Brutallus" and "Zykatviz"
i dont care if someone using this only on bots or not
its an unfair part of the game and some people suddenly became
the "pro" and starting killing cause they feel good....
Ηι , i am seeing about "Clever" people be happy about to use this exploit , yeah exploit it is cause its unfair when u have ur spot , suddenly a buller to comes and saying "taken, leave" and if your answer is "no its mine" he starting to use this on you, and loosing this XP cause someone was the "clever one".
Since it's happened to you at last one, you should be able to detect it before he does it ? Therefore avoid it :)
For someone who dont care, you try very hard to convince everyone this is not an exploit.
I say it before and i say it again. If could be use it only agaisnt bots, i would be number 1 suporter of this exploit. It was used agaisnt me and i`m not using any 3rd programs for me, neither running trains of bots.
Even if was only me (though there are other legit players complaining too) you are wrong. Wonder how you can know only bots complaining? You know me in game? Or all other posters till now??
I did screenshots and did 2 tickets till now only for this problem and a few tickets for bots, with video proof... they still playing without any check up so i give up on that.
ps: mr exploiter bryce, dont make new accounts only to counter attack this exploit (yes, this is a wild guess Razperil is Bryce, but hey... we can assume everything here, no? )
And you wonder why people are using it on you? Your assumptions are wrong, like always. You wailed because you were turned red.. awww, isn't that a shame! People like you are another reason why it is being used. All I can tell you is to make sure you have plenty of tissues on your desk.. because we all know just how much you need them :)
P.S-- By the way, if this was a new account, it would show it's join date of jun 2012, maroon. So nice try.. I guess dates are another bad area of yours :)
And you wonder why people are using it on you? Your assumptions are wrong, like always. You wailed because you were turned red.. awww, isn't that a shame! People like you are another reason why it is being used. All I can tell you is to make sure you have plenty of tissues on your desk.. because we all know just how much you need them :)
P.S-- By the way, if this was a new account, it would show it's join date of jun 2012, maroon. So nice try.. I guess dates are another bad area of yours :)
And you wonder why people are using it on you? Your assumptions are wrong, like always. You wailed because you were turned red.. awww, isn't that a shame! People like you are another reason why it is being used. All I can tell you is to make sure you have plenty of tissues on your desk.. because we all know just how much you need them :)
P.S-- By the way, if this was a new account, it would show it's join date of jun 2012, maroon. So nice try.. I guess dates are another bad area of yours :)
Doesnt have to be newly created account, since both accounts are from 2005 you could have them both. But hey, this is another assumption.
Doesnt have to be newly created account, since both accounts are from 2005 you could have them both. But hey, this is another assumption.
I'd call it a stretch more than an assumption,
ps: mr exploiter bryce, dont make new accounts only to counter attack this exploit (yes, this is a wild guess Razperil is Bryce, but hey... we can assume everything here, no? )
Yeah it doesn't look you ment new accounts though, not at all! LMFAO
It was never officially called an exploit, and even so you might want to check rules of the forum..
Yes, this is getting to be too much, I can't xp for a buff round without someone coming around using this bug/exploit. I'm just gonna stop buying nc coin until this problem is resolved.
Don't afk in non peace zone ? I could also come and kill you, you may loose xp. Yes you will not get karma. And so what ? Karma is removed in 5minutes after 85+
If you are not good enough to avoid being afk in non peace zone, your call
Yes, this is getting to be too much, I can't xp for a buff round without someone coming around using this bug/exploit. I'm just gonna stop buying nc coin until this problem is resolved.
Buying or not buying NCCoin will change nothing to the issue. If you have problems ingame with a particular player abusing the game, just use the support (https://lineage2.custhelp.com/) to report him / her
Yes, this is getting to be too much, I can't xp for a buff round without someone coming around using this bug/exploit. I'm just gonna stop buying nc coin until this problem is resolved.
Yeah, I think I'm going to "take a break" until they decide that either this is an exploit or fix it. Not that my 3,000+ coins a week will mean anything but it speaks to a larger issue; that they won't take a stand or won't fix an obvious bug.
Really? Because I go to swamp on my dual class and I see summoners there lowering their pets all the time.
Really? I go to swamp on several chars pretty often and I only saw it once. Maybe it depends heavily on the server you play on. Please note that I am not saying it does not happen on Magmeld, but either some people are heavily exaggerating or it is much less common on Magmeld than on other servers.
I do happen to know people who do it, but they do it only to bots. God knows we have enough of them around.
Server Naia: today 10 min ago I'm an Iss enchanter I have finished my quest at Swamplan I talked with NPC Vollodos and go afk 1 min when the player Quellen attacked me with a turtle ascetic HP1 which gave me 367 damage I was buffed so I reflected damage 36 and pet died so I'm PK! Quellen killed me.He wrote in chat that the reason to kill me was the fact I still a mob! I was only giving buffs! So I'm red because your programming has a flaw and reflect damage arrives before damage! I ask you, NCSoft, to solve this problem, revue all chat and all issue (revue my loggin I never used a bot program) and take off my karma I have PK=0 ! I don't deserve it! I never killed someone if I was not attacked!!! Is your fault so solve this problem and fast because I want to play my char! Sace do what you said "This is not exactly a bug, but it is a game mechanic flaw that has been overlooked. It will be reported so that it can be fixed. Meanwhile, if this functionality is found to be abused it may be publicly declared as an exploit, meaning offenders may face consequences" I already did a request to support team.
You can dekarma pretty fast, killing a pet gives very low karma points.
Next time, when you go afk take out Daring Sonata and any reflect damage jewel you got.
It's only a palliative, I still bear the hope this will be officially deemed an exploit and punished/fixed accordingly.
Thank you Tiferet. Yeah I have dekarma with 4-5 mobs at FGW I had only -90 rep.
NCSoft team is working to fix this problem fast, but you don't need to be afk! Even when you play or you talk with a NPC for a quest (like me I was talking with Vollodos and just look my desk to read a message 2-3sec mb 1 min) you can be victim of a crap player who send his pet attack you! No possibility of defence! you are red in 1 sec!!
Only way to defend is pay attention to whats going on around you at all times lol. Use your iss heal on all pets that come near you. If the guy starts to lower it again .. you know what he is doing. Get the fu$k out of dodge.
I went through all the patch notes from the Korean Power Wiki this afternoon to see whats in store for us. Then I translated the notes as best I could in the time I had.
In the 5/30/2012 patch. it appears they corrected the problem around 1 week after it was reported here. That patch was 5 weeks after Tauti went live in Korea. When we get that patch is any ones guess.
i read few times about this , but nobody disturb to do anything about it , prob they like that some ppl farm reputation on bots
on my case i let my char afk , talked on the phone few mins , when i come back my char dead with karma :mad: wtf ?!
every day there are some ppl walking around to find theyr customers in IT for example , most of them have very green name
like our dear friend Sace use to say :
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Useful "Exploit"
Basically this "exploit" is not a big deal until players abuse it so much that it becomes a big deal. Yes, that is a relative opinion, but if players negatively affected by it petition the GMs to say they've been victimized by abuse of this function, the likelihood of the function becoming a "bannable exploit" increases drastically. Abusers that lead to it becoming a bannable exploit may receive a temp ban, but more serious consequences will occur if someone abuses it after we publicly declare it as an exploit.
Bottom line: don't do it.
We're sending this as a bug report and it will be fixed so that it cannot be abused like this.
best bet is ... don't go afk with any skill/item active that reflects damage. or just don't go afk in an unsafe zone.
someone tried this on me in Sel Mahum but since no reflect damage on my part, both the attacker and his/her turtle turned purple and was killed by others in the area :)
on another note .... yes this still sucks and is cowardly and underhanded but so is PK noobs but ppl get bored in a make believe world.
unless NCSoft actually fixes this, just watch ur back :)
Never meet this exploit ingame.
But it sounds fantastic, maybe you have magical powers to kill anyone who gets near then you are afk? I'm sure that you have.