So I have been wondering to dual class myself as yul archer, but would like to have a few questions answered fist from ppl who actually tried it, so hope someone can help answer, thx :)
1. How does a yul archer hunt.... more specificly I mean, do they use skills nonstop to kill in pve/pvp, or do they mostly hit normally like before GoD?
2. Is there a range difference between the new RG crossbows and bows?
3. Taking the new Tauti p.att boost and element changes into consideration, which would 'YOU' rather choose, Yul archer or Feoh Wizard? (Feoh was also one of my "maybe's" to dualclass as).
4. I know the most needed and wanted classes in L2 atm is prolly Tank, healer and Iss..... but how does a yul archer stand on the 'wanted' scale in pve/raid groups?
3. Taking the new Tauti p.att boost and element changes into consideration, which would 'YOU' rather choose, Yul archer or Feoh Wizard? (Feoh was also one of my "maybe's" to dualclass as).
4. I know the most needed and wanted classes in L2 atm is prolly Tank, healer and Iss..... but how does a yul archer stand on the 'wanted' scale in pve/raid groups?
3. patak didnt boosted in tauti, but SKILL patak does. SO, based on the patch notes (nobody know how its gonna be in ncsoft west), yul/tyr/feoh will be a little more evenly in tauti (with the reduce of the skill power of feoh, and the boost on tyrr/yul instead).
4. At least in magmeld, the most wanted DD are wynn (cause mana share, and reaper AOE).
in order of demand:
1 wynn
2 feoh
3 yul
4 tyrr
5 othell
So I have been wondering to dual class myself as yul archer, but would like to have a few questions answered fist from ppl who actually tried it, so hope someone can help answer, thx :)
1. How does a yul archer hunt.... more specificly I mean, do they use skills nonstop to kill in pve/pvp, or do they mostly hit normally like before GoD?
2. Is there a range difference between the new RG crossbows and bows?
3. Taking the new Tauti p.att boost and element changes into consideration, which would 'YOU' rather choose, Yul archer or Feoh Wizard? (Feoh was also one of my "maybe's" to dualclass as).
4. I know the most needed and wanted classes in L2 atm is prolly Tank, healer and Iss..... but how does a yul archer stand on the 'wanted' scale in pve/raid groups?
1. Most classes should be spamming skills in both PvE and PvP. The only exception I see is Wynn Summoner.
2. For now the crossbows are useless. No one uses the crossbows unless you have absolutely zero adena. In Glory Days update, they will be improved.
3. It depends on your style of playing. Feoh Wizards are better PvP-er and AoE-er, but they are nearly useless in a single-target party. The only major buff for archers in the next update is the DEX bonus. Movement speed isn't very beneficial in PvE, and wizards can just dash around instantly in PvP. Why bother "running?" Afaik, the skill crit. rate will not double or something even if you stack 20 DEX... But then again, you will lose the p.atk bonus from STR tatoos so I guess it balances out.
4. Besides the three main classes (tank, healer, buffer), the order of desired class imo based on the situation are:
a. AoE Party (assume 2 healers in most 90+ parties)
1. Feoh Wizard
2. Wynn Summoner
3. Yul Archer
4. Tyrr Warrior (they give your party survivability)
5. Othell Rogue
b. Single-target Party
1. Wynn Summoner
2. Othell Rogue
3. Tyrr Warrior
4. Yul Archer
5. Feoh Wizard
In PvP, just get 2 healers and one of every class for the aura buffs.
I'm Archer 93 (almost 94 :) ) on Naia so..
1. PVP - skills, PVE - both (depending on the self buffs and equip)
2. Crossbows are worth it only of you make them +8 and above, otherwise you just lose dmg.(and even with +7 Apo Shooter it's hard to catch up to the +4 Apo Thrower dps)
3. If you chose feoh keep in mind that 90% of the PTs won't take you with them. With feoh in RB pt the dps i lowered with ~35% and also it needs constant recharge - another pain in the healer's ***.
4, On Naia archers are the 3rd most wanted class after summoners and tanks.
Btw consider also this, in duel equally equipped chars, Feoh can't take down elven archer for sure(Both light and dark elves). After i reached 92, i haven't seen a single defeat from feoh, no matter what lvl.
P.S
Our solo pt for istina is:
2x Iss Enchanters
2x DE Yul Archers
Tank
Healer
Summoner
We've tried all kind of permutations and this is by far the fastest way. This way at lvl 93 it's done in less then 30 mins.
I'm Archer 93 (almost 94 :) ) on Naia so..
1. PVP - skills, PVE - both (depending on the self buffs and equip)
2. Crossbows are worth it only of you make them +8 and above, otherwise you just lose dmg.(and even with +7 Apo Shooter it's hard to catch up to the +4 Apo Thrower dps)
3. If you chose feoh keep in mind that 90% of the PTs won't take you with them. With feoh in RB pt the dps i lowered with ~35% and also it needs constant recharge - another pain in the healer's ***.
4, On Naia archers are the 3rd most wanted class after summoners and tanks.
Btw consider also this, in duel equally equipped chars, Feoh can't take down elven archer for sure(Both light and dark elves). After i reached 92, i haven't seen a single defeat from feoh, no matter what lvl.
P.S
Our solo pt for istina is:
2x Iss Enchanters
2x DE Yul Archers
Tank
Healer
Summoner
We've tried all kind of permutations and this is by far the fastest way. This way at lvl 93 it's done in less then 30 mins.
If you have and waste your money to +7 or +8 a crossbow rather than a regular bow (thrower), then something is wrong with you...
For RB parties, daggers are the least priority (no HK), but Feoh Wizards are still higher in the list:
Most CPs have 2 healers anyway, so mana is not a problem. In rare cases you only have 1 healer, Feoh is last on the list.
Not sure what you're smoking to say archers have higher priority than every other DDs... Archers are least wanted in specialized CPs. Archers are the intermediate between AoE and single target. If you go to Orbis 3 and single target, why not take summoners and daggers instead? even tyrr warriors give your party surviability and finishing skill in single target. In AoE parties, Feoh Wizards are kings.
Most importantly, you say that archers should beat feoh wizards... why do archers have the lowest points in Oly then? ;)
Bartz Lv. 96 Othell Rogue/Lv. 93 Yul Archer with experience in every other class Lv. 90.
On Naia 1st place archers are usually like every other class have ~500 points, Anyway, something different was on my mind tho. Very important clarification - both archers non-stop hit each other with the hawks for perma CD ;) that way there isn't a single critical less then 13k :)
We also did it with 2 tyrrs lv 93 too but still the DPS was lower. Anyway it's a ll a matter of a game style and personal preferences.
P.S and one last thing - if you gonna do yul dual, don't make anything else rather then DE. If you can't make DE yul, better try something else (summoner at best ;) )
im human archer 97 and DE archer 97 my friend has less pattack / str then me
so suck it DE archer is nothing better then human or Elf
and i dont use skills in pvp only skill i use is pinpoint shot cus if i skill crit on robe user its a 1 hit
phoenix arrow once in a while for the luls rest is useless
if u want proper groups ur gonna need nukers/archers anyway rest of classes arent worth it aoein
new people meight tell u get summoner or w/e but they blow at anything expect raids and single target pve
tho nowadays if u dont have a constant party u can make any class cus people will take any class to get lol force buff which is worthless also if it comes down to pvp :D
Cos your friend obviously is n00b. Every DE Archer after awaking has 107 STR by default
He probably used -STR dyes (totally noobish for archer)
And not using skills in pvp?!? Bulls Eye is an obsolete skill? Or Stun? Or Flash? Or Disparation? Play as you wish but pvp w/o skills is like tank not spaming agro or hate or any skill and just running around in hop to catch a player to hit him :D
Cos your friend obviously is n00b. Every DE Archer after awaking has 107 STR by default
He probably used -STR dyes (totally noobish for archer)
And not using skills in pvp?!? Bulls Eye is an obsolete skill? Or Stun? Or Flash? Or Disparation? Play as you wish but pvp w/o skills is like tank not spaming agro or hate or any skill and just running around in hop to catch a player to hit him :D
so +15 str ull have 122 +3 str hat u have 125
i have 127 str with +14 str now what?
i have more con
i have everything in my advantage as human archer
going for pure dps while human by far better at anything is just stupid only time a dark elf shines over other classes is in olympiad nowhere else
but hey roll a Dark elf if u wanna trust some randoms :D
i couldnt give a flying **** what other people do if i could get race change i wouldnt change and if i was forced to change i would go dorf
i have 127 str with +14 str now what?
i have more con
i have everything in my advantage as human archer
going for pure dps while human by far better at anything is just stupid only time a dark elf shines over other classes is in olympiad nowhere else
but hey roll a Dark elf if u wanna trust some randoms :D
i couldnt give a flying **** what other people do if i could get race change i wouldnt change and if i was forced to change i would go dorf
1 thing u dont have advantage in is math
DA str = 92 , HUM str = 88
with the same set of dye / armor set / extras DA always gonna have +4 more str (+5 during the night)
and Tauti with Dex miodifier to skill crit rate not gonna change alot .. humans still gonna sux with their lowest Dex
i'm yul 95 in shilen (dark elf) and i do the same of redman ... i dont use skills (just pinpoint and bulls eye ofc) in pvp WHEN my counter critical is on. When turn OFF ofc i think better use skills.When active MIND EYE + COUNTER CRITICAL, ofc, /atack
redman
impossible a human archer has more patack of dark elf.
you can have couse your equips are better than your friend.
Cos your friend obviously is n00b. Every DE Archer after awaking has 107 STR by default
He probably used -STR dyes (totally noobish for archer)
And not using skills in pvp?!? Bulls Eye is an obsolete skill? Or Stun? Or Flash? Or Disparation? Play as you wish but pvp w/o skills is like tank not spaming agro or hate or any skill and just running around in hop to catch a player to hit him :D
Tanks should never run around and try to hit/kill ppl lol.