Yes, they were.
But in other hand, Iss is more like PP/Ol/WC was then BD/SwS.
And BD/SwS was fighter using lots of magic ( compare to other fighter class) so they was Fighter with mystic part. OL/PP/WC was Mystic with a fighter part.
And, if we try to think like NCSoft Iss is a Mystics because they need to have 4 fighters class and 4 mystic class (badest argument that i ever write but it's sadly a part of truth)
But that's right, is a bit weird that Iss are classified like mystic, and not like mystic/fighter
Yes, they were.
But in other hand, Iss is more like PP/Ol/WC was then BD/SwS.
And BD/SwS was fighter using lots of magic ( compare to other fighter class) so they was Fighter with mystic part. OL/PP/WC was Mystic with a fighter part.
And, if we try to think like NCSoft Iss is a Mystics because they need to have 4 fighters class and 4 mystic class (badest argument that i ever write but it's sadly a part of truth)
But that's right, is a bit weird that Iss are classified like mystic, and not like mystic/fighter
PS : Tiferet1 What's this new avatr Oo
I find the past classes irrelevant. Because SK was the best hybrid in terms of magic and physical prowess, except for soulhound, and it turns out a fighter with no magic power at all(siegel knight). Soulhound was at begining a fighter mainly..and it turned out to be full mage...so for this reason i find the argument that a certain class was or not a fighter/mage out of context..
No, because the Iss enchanteur was not create like a Fighter,
Iss Enchanter is a fighter. Iss has fighter stats.
If that alone weren't enough, Iss has fighter passives (+Str instead of mystic's +Int), and Iss damage-dealing skills and almost all Iss buffs are fighter-type (they don't consume spiritshots when they are cast).
it's more a Mystic who use melee weapons,
Nope, it's a fighter that has some magic skills. Like the BD was.
like the OL/WS/PP was.
My OL, of course, uses magic weapons.
I find the past classes irrelevant. Because SK was the best hybrid in terms of magic and physical prowess, except for soulhound, and it turns out a fighter with no magic power at all(siegel knight). Soulhound was at begining a fighter mainly..and it turned out to be full mage...so for this reason i find the argument that a certain class was or not a fighter/mage out of context..
About Shillien knight i disagree in the fact that he "evolve" in Sigel cause, even if he was mellee/magical he's still a Tank.
For SH i always see them like a "failed" magician : use "magical skills" but considered like Activeskills.
he say get stats after. before was not too great. + strenght is just his natural ability because he don't need to be so smart to throw a boulder at you and you would die.
and just because he punches you a few times and then you die he is still considered a weakling within his race. his primary focus is to strengthen the morals of his race through rituals and enchants hence he is called a shaman and not a hunter.
and every race have a some sort of mystics. except for maybe the dwarves cause they're just plain weirds. but yes i still pretty sure and firmly believe that they are of mystic types.
they are awakened "from" mystic. which means they are awakened into stronger mystics yes which adds even stronger fighting skills into their already former arsenal. at first glence it would seem like a major change but they still use the major of magic for buffs and debuffs and relaying on a ton of mp. if a fighter have that much mp i think everybody would die for no surprise.
Is it hard to understand that mystic or not, Iss Enchanters get fighter stats and masteries?
And your argument about "awakening from mystics" is false, because they also awaken from BD and SWS, that are fighter-type classes.
like say before bd and sws are assist-fighters that have magic skills and turned themselves into fully mystics because of their racial attribute. but they are still considered a bookworm bunch amongst their peers as oppose to the really strong ones. and no race therefor should be left without a mystic type sort which would distort the balance amongst their clans. because if you say that then it means that the blade dancers are better than the orc and to this i beg the differ. and also you would notice that there are 4 fighter types and 4 mystic types not 5 and 3
Is it hard to understand that mystic or not, Iss Enchanters get fighter stats and masteries?
As far as I know, Iss Enchanters have more STR than INT.
And they melee stuff.
And they don't have magical skills (except for Healing Melody).
It should be enough to label them as warriors.
You're just the one who says Iss Enchanter sucks as a class.
ISS does sux.. want the bard class back very much... :( my beloved SwM was much better and more fun to play then this abomination called ISS..
NC will bring back some classes in the update after Glory Days, which ones to be announced but breaking up Tyr & Iss was being discussed so who knows..
ok you listen here and listen well for these words will not be repeated for 1 last time. your drawing may be flashy nice and all but maybe you should try and sticking to it instead. what that got to do with anything. whether they awakened from mystic or into mystic is still got the word mystic in it. you don't see where it say awakened "fighter-type" classes anywhere now do you. and despite all the different facts that've been presented to you and yet you're still ranting on and on about the same old truth that dears behold. so you can just go ahead and have your little fighter thing and then eat it too for all anybody cares. just leave me be with my little toy mystic. and yes they may be stinks but theirs still mine toys. let you do away with yours however the ways you want them to be. this discussion is hereby over.
Half of what you say is expressed in bad English, so excuse me for not understanding what point you're trying to make...
First of all, it's my right to express myself on these boards. And thanks, I don't need your encouragement to keep drawing. But you're short on arguments if you want to insult me just because I've got drawing skills and you don't...
Secondly, BD and SWS were labeled as "Assistant Fighters", you need only to mouseover on their icon in party window to read it. But that's beyond the point.
Since when dual swords are magic weapons?
And since when a BD is a mystic? Just because it has ONE nuke and some magical-type debuffs?
No race has been devoid of mystic-fighter balance, because certain races are historically without either type. Like the dwarves...
Lastly, just because you want the Awakened classes to be 4 mystic-type and 4 fighter-type, it doesn't deny the truth that Iss Enchanters are a fighter-type class, with fighter stats, masteries, skills and equipments.
they are awakened "from" mystic.
Most live enchanters in my clan were awakened from fighters.
That's because 2 of the 3 pre-GoD "enchanter" party slots were taken by fighter classes (SwS and BD).
The only reason why people mistake Iss for a "mystic" class now is because Orc Mystics are so easy to level these days: just click on anything and hold Steal Essence.
Secondly, BD and SWS were labeled as "Assistant Fighters", you need only to mouseover on their icon in party window to read it. But that's beyond the point.
By the way, the awakened enchanter class still reuses that assistant fighter party icon, just in another color.
like say before bd and sws are assist-fighters that have magic skills and turned themselves into fully mystics because of their racial attribute. but they are still considered a bookworm bunch amongst their peers as oppose to the really strong ones. and no race therefor should be left without a mystic type sort which would distort the balance amongst their clans. because if you say that then it means that the blade dancers are better than the orc and to this i beg the differ. and also you would notice that there are 4 fighter types and 4 mystic types not 5 and 3
I have 9k patk and 5k matk, my passives give +str, and my attack skills use soul shots... Hmmm, I wonder what I could be :rolleyes:
Oh and Delf enchanters absolutely rip apart Orc ones, just letting you know.
ISS does sux.. want the bard class back very much... :( my beloved SwM was much better and more fun to play then this abomination called ISS..
NC will bring back some classes in the update after Glory Days, which ones to be announced but breaking up Tyr & Iss was being discussed so who knows..
Well, I don't foresee myself sticking around for Glory Days, but I hope they leave ISS alone. Been enough rerolling, would hate for ppl to have to do it again. Oh and I think enchanter is way better than the old bards, like a million times better to play than BD (at least in Oly).
ISS does sux.. want the bard class back very much... :( my beloved SwM was much better and more fun to play then this abomination called ISS..
NC will bring back some classes in the update after Glory Days, which ones to be announced but breaking up Tyr & Iss was being discussed so who knows..
I don't think that they break up in the sense of removing skils from one class, i think it just uses the current class (tyr or iss) as base class for another, keep current classes intact but changing core skills for new class.