We all know about the drop and shop nerfs for Tauti... this isn't about complaining about it. I'm here to ask what Feohs are supposed to do about it.
Before Feohs could safely spam all skills with BSPSR and still make tons of adena from selling mats to npcs or to other players. Nowadays, even when you get multiple full drops you never really get compensated for all of the BSPSR you use unless you get a fat drop like a main armor piece or a much sought after weapon. I got 3 seraph drops and am still short by 20% adena compared to how much I spent farming it :V
My question is how do we cope? I asked higher level Feohs and their solution was to only cast Elemental Destruction and Devil's Curse with BSPS. Others would suggest playing the market.. but the dye, box, stone, scroll, mats, and etc markets are crashing hard and overall full drops seem harder to come by. More people are selling than buying.... and people are rarely crafting. Assuming NCsoft removes the mentee certificate trick how do you suggest we deal with the cost of BSPSR?
We all know about the drop and shop nerfs for Tauti... this isn't about complaining about it. I'm here to ask what Feohs are supposed to do about it.
Before Feohs could safely spam all skills with BSPSR and still make tons of adena from selling mats to npcs or to other players. Nowadays, even when you get multiple full drops you never really get compensated for all of the BSPSR you use unless you get a fat drop like a main armor piece or a much sought after weapon. I got 3 seraph drops and am still short by 20% adena compared to how much I spent farming it :V
My question is how do we cope? I asked higher level Feohs and their solution was to only cast Elemental Destruction and Devil's Curse with BSPS. Others would suggest playing the market.. but the dye, box, stone, scroll, mats, and etc markets are crashing hard and overall full drops seem harder to come by. More people are selling than buying.... and people are rarely crafting. Assuming NCsoft removes the mentee certificate trick how do you suggest we deal with the cost of BSPSR?
Make another char that doesnt spam Blessed sps to farm ur cash? Or just deal with it cuz no one likes u magic casting ******** anyways. Go put on your dress and take pics of urself you closet homos.
Although I understand your suggestion about creating another character to farm (which doesn't address the issue) you lost me on the second bit. What does your insecurities with your sexual identity have to do with the subject at hand? Please explain?!?
My question is how do we cope? I asked higher level Feohs and their solution was to only cast Elemental Destruction and Devil's Curse with BSPS. Others would suggest playing the market.. but the dye, box, stone, scroll, mats, and etc markets are crashing hard and overall full drops seem harder to come by. More people are selling than buying.... and people are rarely crafting. Assuming NCsoft removes the mentee certificate trick how do you suggest we deal with the cost of BSPSR?
We don't.
The only positive in mentee's system is the free shots.
We all know about the drop and shop nerfs for Tauti... this isn't about complaining about it. I'm here to ask what Feohs are supposed to do about it.
Before Feohs could safely spam all skills with BSPSR and still make tons of adena from selling mats to npcs or to other players. Nowadays, even when you get multiple full drops you never really get compensated for all of the BSPSR you use unless you get a fat drop like a main armor piece or a much sought after weapon. I got 3 seraph drops and am still short by 20% adena compared to how much I spent farming it :V
My question is how do we cope? I asked higher level Feohs and their solution was to only cast Elemental Destruction and Devil's Curse with BSPS. Others would suggest playing the market.. but the dye, box, stone, scroll, mats, and etc markets are crashing hard and overall full drops seem harder to come by. More people are selling than buying.... and people are rarely crafting. Assuming NCsoft removes the mentee certificate trick how do you suggest we deal with the cost of BSPSR?
While it still works, farm 600k bsps-r a week, making 1-40 toons.
Or find a faster way to make the money and buy the shots...
That really is the only option, isnt it.... ugh. I was hoping it would never have to come to this. I guess a few hours of headache for months of worry free DPS is worth it... but it's definitely NOT working as intended... sigh.
maybe try and sell pwrlvl? im 86 and i hate the way xp is coming at this lvl. don't see many party's for pwrlvl after 85. so there`s your niche for making adena. adapt to it and u will survive!
The Situation is even worse for me as Healer.
I love to solo, go out into the swamp and kill Monsters.
With Healer Nukes it takes around 7 shots to kill one. That is 7k adena used to kill and get a reward of 1k adena from the drops back.
With a Quest reward of 500k you can kill 80 Monsters and be even. Kill more and make a loss.
NC Coin only offers Shots up to S Grade, so the Real Money option isnt there.
My options are:
* Using my old S Grade dynasty staff with the cheap shots for soloing. + Buy Sgarde Bsps with NCCoin. Reserve R Grade Shots for Partys.
* Doing Money Quests like the Mithril Mine Run
* Using Mentee Shots
* playing low level alts
* search another Game
1. Join party matching, u most likely wont even have to go into a room, but will be invited to a whole bunch of them.
2. Keep ppl alive.
3. Profit.
My healer atm has over 400k bsps-r on it. And I always make more adena than I would have used, had I paid for the shots.
Healer can solo, sure. But it's not meant to. Find a better clan if you have to solo. Healer is one of the most sought after classes for most clans. Shouldnt be hard to get an invite.
I will run a toon up to 40 and get the mentee certificate on my main toon and exchange diplomas for BSPSR or SSR. I got 100k SSR and 50k BSPSR with one mentee certificate.
sometimes, and not often, stupid people obligue me to do some bad things, while gaming... does this count?
anyway, there's no way to play healer if you cant be a heartless person: you'r the only one that can bring despair, rage and frustration with an only single flip of your hand. Sad for some dummies.
Make another char that doesnt spam Blessed sps to farm ur cash? Or just deal with it cuz no one likes u magic casting ******** anyways. Go put on your dress and take pics of urself you closet homos.
holey crap balls. it's really NOT that difficult to level a mentee toon ffs
and WELL worth it considering the cost of shots. making enough $ from adena drop to cover shots has never been valid in L2.
I dont know about my reputation. I guess you will need to ask many people to find someone that had a party with me.
Also, that I dont need much shots in a Party, doesnt mean, the party as a whole runs economically safe.
The real Question is, why do the devolopers build solo areas you loose money by playing in.
Such solo areas are
* The Kartias ( Zero Drops )
* Swampland and Altar( 1k Adena per Monster )
* low Fairie Area (1.5k Adena per Monster and less XP than swamp )
I didnt play in the higher solo areas yet, but heard only bad things about them.
I dont know about my reputation. I guess you will need to ask many people to find someone that had a party with me.
Also, that I dont need much shots in a Party, doesnt mean, the party as a whole runs economically safe.
The real Question is, why do the devolopers build solo areas you loose money by playing in.
Such solo areas are
* The Kartias ( Zero Drops )
* Swampland and Altar( 1k Adena per Monster )
* low Fairie Area (1.5k Adena per Monster and less XP than swamp )
I didnt play in the higher solo areas yet, but heard only bad things about them.
There are other places to make decent adena, so when you limit yourself the way you do, expect to be broke.
yep you loose tons of money with a feoh @ 86 its 9 mill for 10% 21k bsps-r used, income 2 mill with dailys ,now I box with a ISS and Wynn (doing all the killing) to get some gold
or get the ISS too help on dailys but you still end down by 7 mill for 10%
so I just end up NOT PLAYING as MUCH NOW aft 8 years it now sucks to be a feoh
as for gold I see tons of drop just left on the floor and pick them up ,but what this is telling me is that there are alot of people buying gold from the BOTS
yep you loose tons of money with a feoh @ 86 its 9 mill for 10% 21k bsps-r used, income 2 mill with dailys ,now I box with a ISS and Wynn (doing all the killing) to get some gold
or get the ISS too help on dailys but you still end down by 7 mill for 10%
so I just end up NOT PLAYING as MUCH NOW aft 8 years it now sucks to be a feoh
as for gold I see tons of drop just left on the floor and pick them up ,but what this is telling me is that there are alot of people buying gold from the BOTS
You play since 8 year ?
Don't remember remember the old good time where half of the people farm without SS/BSS because it was too expensive ?
Farmins is basicaly use money to earn experience.
Don't use BssR to have more money = you kill mob slower. Choose your point : more money and less exp or more exp and less money ?
With mentee certificate you can use few hours to have "unlimited" BssR.
And the last thing : buying SS and BSS was and still will be a part of the game and econom, deal with it or play without Bss.
Its true that a long time ago you used to not be able to buy SS or bsps if you wanted to make any money at all but it seems kind of unfair that it is only those that use magic that are having this problem in Tauti. I don't see people complaining about the prices of SSR. I know that you can use mentee certificates to get free BSSR but if they remove this then many Feohs will be in big trouble.
SSR are cheaper, but in other hand you use more SSR to kill a mob than Feoh do. It's equilibrate. I don't think Feoh use 150kk BssR each week ( i mean , for the same activity).
The Situation is even worse for me as Healer.
I love to solo, go out into the swamp and kill Monsters.
With Healer Nukes it takes around 7 shots to kill one. That is 7k adena used to kill and get a reward of 1k adena from the drops back.
With a Quest reward of 500k you can kill 80 Monsters and be even. Kill more and make a loss.
NC Coin only offers Shots up to S Grade, so the Real Money option isnt there.
My options are:
* Using my old S Grade dynasty staff with the cheap shots for soloing. + Buy Sgarde Bsps with NCCoin. Reserve R Grade Shots for Partys.
* Doing Money Quests like the Mithril Mine Run
* Using Mentee Shots
* playing low level alts
* search another Game
In the Moment I use the Mentee-Shots Option
Falexi Aeore
As far as a healer goes you don't need to use shots on progressive heal, sustain, fairy of life, recharge, rebirth, celestial and balance of life..
So you can make a macro for the skills that do need shots like brilliant heal, panic heal, radiant heal, mark of lumi and your other debuffs.. Just put your shots on your bar then drag that to the first line of your macro then add the skill you want to use.. This will activate one shot into your weapon and then you will use the skill you have in your macro.. *note* don't activate your shots if you do this method.
Just a way to conserve shots for the people that really want to save money..
I just activate shots and make money other ways but this option may be viable for some.
You play since 8 year ?
Don't remember remember the old good time where half of the people farm without SS/BSS because it was too expensive ?
Farmins is basicaly use money to earn experience.
Don't use BssR to have more money = you kill mob slower. Choose your point : more money and less exp or more exp and less money ?
With mentee certificate you can use few hours to have "unlimited" BssR.
And the last thing : buying SS and BSS was and still will be a part of the game and econom, deal with it or play without Bss.
yep 8 years ,yep all then days useing sleep and Freezing Shackle coz no money for shots
thx m8 for the tip mentee cers and swop it for Diplomas did'nt think to try that and have 2 on a 87 toon
holey crap balls. it's really NOT that difficult to level a mentee toon ffs
and WELL worth it considering the cost of shots. making enough $ from adena drop to cover shots has never been valid in L2.
anyone complaining about shot cost is just TOO DARN LAZY
if you can't spare 1.5h to level alt for 100k bspsr per week then SUFFER
oh and if you are worried they might remove that from game then you better stock up now. sure I am darn sick and tired of doing it but I still make sure it gets done.
We all know about the drop and shop nerfs for Tauti... this isn't about complaining about it. I'm here to ask what Feohs are supposed to do about it.
Before Feohs could safely spam all skills with BSPSR and still make tons of adena from selling mats to npcs or to other players. Nowadays, even when you get multiple full drops you never really get compensated for all of the BSPSR you use unless you get a fat drop like a main armor piece or a much sought after weapon. I got 3 seraph drops and am still short by 20% adena compared to how much I spent farming it :V
My question is how do we cope? I asked higher level Feohs and their solution was to only cast Elemental Destruction and Devil's Curse with BSPS. Others would suggest playing the market.. but the dye, box, stone, scroll, mats, and etc markets are crashing hard and overall full drops seem harder to come by. More people are selling than buying.... and people are rarely crafting. Assuming NCsoft removes the mentee certificate trick how do you suggest we deal with the cost of BSPSR?
It is mathematically impossible to come out ahead.
Since the expected cost of killing a mob is smaller than the expected profit from killing a mob and since revenue=P-C then the expected renuve from killing a mob is negative.
The only way to hunt with BSPSR and not wind up destitute is to exchange mentee certificates for BSPSR, 100,000 per certificate.
NC either intentionally or unintentionally made hunting 85+ mobs unprofitable.
Personally I think it was intentional as you would eventually be forced to buy shots from the cash shop.
anyone complaining about shot cost is just TOO DARN LAZY
if you can't spare 1.5h to level alt for 100k bspsr per week then SUFFER
oh and if you are worried they might remove that from game then you better stock up now. sure I am darn sick and tired of doing it but I still make sure it gets done.
You're argument has completely opened my eyes and made me realize that I shouldn't be playing this game to have fun but tofill the position that a second job could have filled if I wasn't too busy playing a video game that creates no societal or personal benefit.
Or not.
I play this game to have fun, not to do extra work that has nothing to do with the object of having fun.
If I wanted to work more I'd do some pro bono work. At least that way someone else would benefit.
I dont know about my reputation. I guess you will need to ask many people to find someone that had a party with me.
Also, that I dont need much shots in a Party, doesnt mean, the party as a whole runs economically safe.
The real Question is, why do the devolopers build solo areas you loose money by playing in.
Such solo areas are
* The Kartias ( Zero Drops )
* Swampland and Altar( 1k Adena per Monster )
* low Fairie Area (1.5k Adena per Monster and less XP than swamp )
I didnt play in the higher solo areas yet, but heard only bad things about them.
Devs bad/failed evolving of game and Ncwest present policy of putting all in nc coin shop and nothing ingame the 2 reasons for all that.Not that group areas will certainly give you drops to cover even the shots cost if u dont wish to lvl mentees.
* The kartias-as i posted in someother thread too-is a place to get some good amount of xp away from wars but its also adena shrinking for certain classes like feoh who lacks any type of ud/heal and needs to spam expensive potions to stay alive.That's the reason most of nukers dont do kartia solo at all.For the group kartia,you spent the normal shots like in any xp area and you know that 99% you wont get any money at all,unless you get a cry from the q or the 1 and only time bear drops and the party was constant who sells and splits money.
*Swampland and Altar,drop low r grade full parts and r mats that were worthing pretty good when Goduptade first introduced.But since botters soon went to higher areas where twilight drop and mente system provides free low r,all these lost value fast.Now,i dont blame the botters who so fast xp for this.I blame Nscoft who made Gloryupdate where we require to have a dualclass 99lvl to get the special skills when lvling legitely in our servers to 99 the main class only would take us almost 1 year.Or,since Nswest doesnt provide premium suscription to have lvl2 vit alltime,we should get this update with a big delay or we should get longtime special vitality ingame events like we did before God.
*Dont know about which fairy area you 'r talking,since i exped in a certain area which dropped full tw parts which was always full of bots and bottrains and wars that made a fortune since tw armor was top armor for months.Then,fast again,people by botting passed to seraph and tw prices went down dramatically.
What i see on L2 from Hellbound/Kamael updates since now is Devs introduce too many lvls to get(without the proper areas to hunt) with a new armor that is extremly-extremly difficult/expensive to make( remember the dynasty armor q/the vesper weapons, ect ect) and in some months without a notice they introduce new type of armors/weapons that are again a hell to make if you play legit,droping the price from the older armor who costed you everything you had into 0 and leaving the legit player always without adena.The fact that mobs drops in s/r grade areas less that in b grade areas is been noticed many times.
You're argument has completely opened my eyes and made me realize that I shouldn't be playing this game to have fun but tofill the position that a second job could have filled if I wasn't too busy playing a video game that creates no societal or personal benefit.
Or not.
I play this game to have fun, not to do extra work that has nothing to do with the object of having fun.
If I wanted to work more I'd do some pro bono work. At least that way someone else would benefit.
I have 3 Feohs and haven't paid for BSPSR since the early days of the Mentor system. WTH, you are mid 90s and you don't have a couple Mentee Certs in your inventory for FREE BSPSR! No one in your clan wanted to share with you a little bit of knowledge on how you to could have FREE BSPSR forever?
To those complaining that it is too much "work" to whip out a level 40 character in less than 60 minutes FREE BSPSR, than you should continue to pay for your shots.
Give me a break, if you are already R grade you are well past this just being for fun.
You play since 8 year ?
Don't remember remember the old good time where half of the people farm without SS/BSS because it was too expensive ?
Farmins is basicaly use money to earn experience.
Don't use BssR to have more money = you kill mob slower. Choose your point : more money and less exp or more exp and less money ?
With mentee certificate you can use few hours to have "unlimited" BssR.
And the last thing : buying SS and BSS was and still will be a part of the game and econom, deal with it or play without Bss.
You must be forgetting that higher level mobs were balanced under the premise that players would be using shots. Yes a full party in crappy gear with no shots could slowly kill mobs in some areas that other players with good gear and shots could solo in, however I don't think your typical player is able to mindlessly grind away in that full party without having their brain turn to mush. There is a reason why the only characters who grind in full parties without shots are bots and it is because the game simply isn't fun.
And good luck soloing as a Feoh without shots or trying to party and then get caught not using shots.
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To those complaining that it is too much "work" to whip out a level 40 character in less than 60 minutes FREE BSPSR, than you should continue to pay for your shots.
Give me a break, if you are already R grade you are well past this just being for fun.
I think you are the one who is mistaken. We are playing this game to have fun after coming home from our jobs where we already did work.
We shouldn't have to turn this game into a second job, especially when it doesn't provide any income.
I think you are the one who is mistaken. We are playing this game to have fun after coming home from our jobs where we already did work.
We shouldn't have to turn this game into a second job, especially when it doesn't provide any income.
Making a level 40 character in less than 60 minutes for free BSPSR is not even close to having a second job. If you consider it too hard or job like you need to keep paying someone else for your BSPSR.
If you consider anything you do in this game similar to working a second job you need to find a different game.
Nothing complicated about this concept or this game.
I have to agree with Dracha.
Rly i made 2 chars 1-40 in 3hours. While going the easy way without any pushing. And why do i see only Feoh's complaining?
Feohs need like 3 hits to kill a mob. Any regular DD has to do more then 6 hits. So that is close to equal the costs.
And the fact that ssr <-> bssr is only 1:2 doesnt seem fair then or?
Even if we consider AoE xping phys DD's spend more shots.
Also if you think its hard to pay for shots, how do you get TW 3*60+++ or only your Weapon to 300 ele then?
I prefer to lvl a mentee and "gain" ~80kk Adena in 1,5 instead of trying to get 80kk of Adena from mobs in 1,5h and stop it totally desperate.... Really...
Think like that: 9 hours shot char lvling = ~480kk = TW Set which you save money wise.
Making a level 40 character in less than 60 minutes for free BSPSR is not even close to having a second job. If you consider it too hard or job like you need to keep paying someone else for your BSPSR.
If you consider anything you do in this game similar to working a second job you need to find a different game.
Nothing complicated about this concept or this game.
That's what I thought and then I read your post and found that some people still don't get it.
Extra work is still extra work regardless of whether it is one extra minute a week or 40 extra hours a week.
If there is no justifiable reason for something to be implemented the way it is then it shouldn't have been implemented the way it is.
And the only justifiable reasoning one can bring in is the cash shop and botting. And even those arguments are pure speculation. The more likely outcome is that whoever did the number crunching to determine how much shots should cost is either too embarassed/proud to admit they made a huge mistake or a moron.
You have not attempted to show why NC is justified in making it impossible to buy or make BSPSR and then come out ahead after doing some hunting. All you did was state your own preference and your belief that we should all have the same preference you do even after several people in this thread already made it clear that they do not share your preference.