Dualboxing should be prohibited.
I used to think that private servers were going to be similar to official servers, but now off servers are just like privates in past years.
Half logged characters on server are that freaking duals. When I leave city almost everyone is carrying iss on back. Even in roa where you do newbie quest. What the frak is wrong with these pypless? They cant do anything on their own? Is thier cack getting bigger when they get sonatas every few minutes?
PK/Mentor system is freaking awsome, really! When I am exping someone get into my spot and kill my mobs. OK. I get used to it cuz its normal in L2. BUT WHY THE FRAK CANT I EVEN INITIATE PVP WITH HIM? Why? Cuz he is carrying freaking Iss on his back who one shoot me! These lows dont even know what lineage 2 is about, but they are 80-90% of servers (i play on bartz)
I wodner if ncsoft do something about this cuz dualboxers and botters are they main resource of money but there is hope still : D
In coclusion, dont allow dualboxing, there will be much crying, but servers will be less overload. And remember L2 still is a teamplay game not whose got the most bots now
Dualboxing should be prohibited.
I used to think that private servers were going to be similar to official servers, but now off servers are just like privates in past years.
Half logged characters on server are that freaking duals. When I leave city almost everyone is carrying iss on back. Even in roa where you do newbie quest. What the frak is wrong with these pypless? They cant do anything on their own? Is thier cack getting bigger when they get sonatas every few minutes?
PK/Mentor system is freaking awsome, really! When I am exping someone get into my spot and kill my mobs. OK. I get used to it cuz its normal in L2. BUT WHY THE FRAK CANT I EVEN INITIATE PVP WITH HIM? Why? Cuz he is carrying freaking Iss on his back who one shoot me! These lows dont even know what lineage 2 is about, but they are 80-90% of servers (i play on bartz)
I wodner if ncsoft do something about this cuz dualboxers and botters are they main resource of money but there is hope still : D
In coclusion, dont allow dualboxing, there will be much crying, but servers will be less overload. And remember L2 still is a teamplay game not whose got the most bots now
Private servers are nothing like retail. This topic has been beaten to death many times. NCwest has no intentions of changing it. Make yourself an Iss and get over it.
Worst ive seen Chronos' status in a while was "normal" ... Same, or "light" with the others....no worries. I have one, and its great...you should too. Only complaint I have is when I'm trying to pk with one of my lowbies, the other guys' ISS gets in my way lol
In coclusion, dont allow dualboxing, there will be much crying, but servers will be less overload. And remember L2 still is a teamplay game not whose got the most bots now
I've yet to see a boxed Iss/Sigel/Aeore in a party. Trust me, nobody's gonna epta-box a whole party.
I have seen this topic pop up many times and even after all these years I really don't understand why some are so upset by what others are doing. I kind of understood when the servers were PACKED after GoD released... but that subsided and all is well. It can only be akin to some form of jealousy because if Fred is dualboxing it doesn't effect me or what I do in game. Honestly I made my boxed SE mostly to have a hot Dark Elf female bending over bouncing all over the place as she followed me around Elmore and Aden. She wasn't use full until like B grade back in the day.
So what really gives, why do you care if they are dualboxing 24/7? Don't even give me it ain't fair BS line, let's hear some real heartfelt reasons.
Private servers are nothing like retail. This topic has been beaten to death many times. NCwest has no intentions of changing it. Make yourself an Iss and get over it.
Aha.. ahahahahaha ahahahahahahahahah! xD
Brought a tear to my eye :')
First ---> gather experience.
Speak bullsh*t later. Some (and again, SOME) private servers were actually pretty good. Yeah we didn't have maintenances every week, but the GMs actually did gave a ***** about the players. Oh, and high rate private servers are excellent for trying the newest update before starting to play on retail.
But seriously now, if dual-boxing were prohibited, this game would be even more dead than it is now.There would be a few very well organized clans, but since there is a big number of players who tend to play on their own, and doesn't want to wait for the buffer to finish smoking and stuff like that, they would just leave for a private server.
High rates are not excelent to start before go retail. People from high rates are known to rush in the game, complain too much, take things for granted, not element their gear, blame others for his own flaws and so on.
High rates are not excelent to start before go retail. People from high rates are known to rush in the game, complain too much, take things for granted, not element their gear, blame others for his own flaws and so on.
That sort of ppl is not needed here.
You post is funny, because:
#1 Nobody is needed.
#2 Everyone is rushing.
#3 Everyone is complaining.
#4 Everyone take things for granted (especially since truly-free)
#5 Everyone blames others, because it is easy.
According to your post almost everyone have arrived from private servers. Imagine what would be without 80% of the server population.
Sure, I would definitely have fun, because I hate the crowd, but NcSoft wants servers filled with players and they don't give 2 *****s where do they came from.
As I said, high rate servers are excellent for testing the game, the skill animations, choosing your favourite character, that you wish to roll on official. It is better to decide after you experienced. It pretty much sucks to realize at level94, that you hate your class. Sure, some people know at level 85, that they are in love with their chosen class, but some people need time to realize their own preferences.
Dualboxing had a dual purpose prior to the f2p model. First they helped players because the servers were so light that you had problems finding groups or buffers. Secondly as long as people were paying for extra accounts, that helped NCSoft keep the doors open.
Nowadays I can't see a benefit for it from a company reason (unless you assume that people are buying nccoin for both their buffers and their main accounts). And as far as a player reason, I guess that once you've become self sufficient soloing with your buffpets, it's hard to go back to splitting XP just in the name of companionship.
With this in mind, It would probably be crazy for NCSoft to restrict dualboxing as this could possibly limit income. I mean, let's be serious, that would be sure to alienate a large part of the playerbase and cause an even further decline on the server population. If they were going to stop it, it should have been done right when the servers went f2p.
Dualboxing had a dual purpose prior to the f2p model. First they helped players because the servers were so light that you had problems finding groups or buffers. Secondly as long as people were paying for extra accounts, that helped NCSoft keep the doors open.
Nowadays I can't see a benefit for it from a company reason (unless you assume that people are buying nccoin for both their buffers and their main accounts). And as far as a player reason, I guess that once you've become self sufficient soloing with your buffpets, it's hard to go back to splitting XP just in the name of companionship.
With this in mind, It would probably be crazy for NCSoft to restrict dualboxing as this could possibly limit income. I mean, let's be serious, that would be sure to alienate a large part of the playerbase and cause an even further decline on the server population. If they were going to stop it, it should have been done right when the servers went f2p.
WWW
And most of the old players would have left. Well lots of them.
According to your post almost everyone have arrived from private servers.
.
Well obviously.
Imagine what would be without 80% of the server population.
Would give me space to level solo.:D
Problem is, that those people who try out in priv servers so go the class power and not the fashion. Then they come here and realize...it's not the same. Like those daggers complaining they couldn't 2 people..or that tyr warrior dmg is bad...
Problem is, that those people who try out in priv servers so go the class power and not the fashion. Then they come here and realize...it's not the same. Like those daggers complaining they couldn't 2 people..or that tyr warrior dmg is bad...
Dunno about that. I only check if I feel comfortable playing a class or not.
I would never play a Sigel for example, because it is just not me. And if I didn't try it on High Rate, I would be leveling a Shilien Knight right now. And I would be totally disappointed at level 85.
Aha.. ahahahahaha ahahahahahahahahah! xD
Brought a tear to my eye :')
First ---> gather experience.
Speak bullsh*t later. Some (and again, SOME) private servers were actually pretty good. Yeah we didn't have maintenances every week, but the GMs actually did gave a ***** about the players. Oh, and high rate private servers are excellent for trying the newest update before starting to play on retail.
But seriously now, if dual-boxing were prohibited, this game would be even more dead than it is now.There would be a few very well organized clans, but since there is a big number of players who tend to play on their own, and doesn't want to wait for the buffer to finish smoking and stuff like that, they would just leave for a private server.
I used to GM on a private server, I'm not a moron, I know how they are I've played a few
Dualboxing should be prohibited.
I used to think that private servers were going to be similar to official servers, but now off servers are just like privates in past years.
Half logged characters on server are that freaking duals. When I leave city almost everyone is carrying iss on back. Even in roa where you do newbie quest. What the frak is wrong with these pypless? They cant do anything on their own? Is thier cack getting bigger when they get sonatas every few minutes?
PK/Mentor system is freaking awsome, really! When I am exping someone get into my spot and kill my mobs. OK. I get used to it cuz its normal in L2. BUT WHY THE FRAK CANT I EVEN INITIATE PVP WITH HIM? Why? Cuz he is carrying freaking Iss on his back who one shoot me! These lows dont even know what lineage 2 is about, but they are 80-90% of servers (i play on bartz)
I wodner if ncsoft do something about this cuz dualboxers and botters are they main resource of money but there is hope still : D
In coclusion, dont allow dualboxing, there will be much crying, but servers will be less overload. And remember L2 still is a teamplay game not whose got the most bots now
Are you unable to dual box?
I suggest you get a better computer.
"Though shalt not covet they neighbours ..." and what not.
Those who can, will.
Those who cant, cry, and try to mess things up for everyone else.
I'm sorry op, but we cant handicap everyone down to your lvl.
Dual boxing has been since beta, people found buffs make you kill faster and tada, end of story.
This. A smart player who wants to get into the game seriously will just make an Iss first, THEN make whatever other toon he wants to play.
Having my own buffs allowed me to solo problem-free for consistent xp back in the day, and now it allows me to level lowbies super fast, buff myself if I feel like it, buff any small clan party I happen to be in if needed, buff clannies for solo kartia, etc
Forgive me for playing with 3 Accounts (and from time to time all 3 at once)
1st acc: Did Kartia solo
2nd acc: Did the Awakening Quest for my Dualclass (which is main Iss aka my buffbox for solo xping)
3rd acc: buffing + oop healing my mentee
I've yet to see a boxed Iss/Sigel/Aeore in a party. Trust me, nobody's gonna epta-box a whole party.
It's not hard to 5 box if you have multiple PCs. It's very easy. From 85 to 90 all you need is 5, cause if you're smart and your main is a Healer/Iss/Tank you will play the tank and just use 2 Wynn Summoners as DDs in the party. A healer can be boxed with like 3-4 buttons at those levels and it will likely work just as well for Lower GoG as well (the field part) at 90+.
Seriously who tells these dudes to come to oficial??
Dual boxers WERE the main source of money when the game was pay to play, but that was like 80% of every server cause everyone knows if you didn't have your own boxed buffer back then you were sucking for soloing at the higher levels.
Some of us had like 2-3 boxed buffers just so we can solo efficiently (as in, for decent to good XP/Hour, not just killing stuff and saying "look ma I cuh solo!").
It made sense back then. But doesn't now, though... However, the people who play so many accounts do tend to both play more and use the cash shop more, so he does have a smidgen of a point...
dualboxing should be prohibited.
I used to think that private servers were going to be similar to official servers, but now off servers are just like privates in past years.
Half logged characters on server are that freaking duals. When i leave city almost everyone is carrying iss on back. Even in roa where you do newbie quest. What the frak is wrong with these pypless? They cant do anything on their own? Is thier cack getting bigger when they get sonatas every few minutes?
Pk/mentor system is freaking awsome, really! When i am exping someone get into my spot and kill my mobs. Ok. I get used to it cuz its normal in l2. But why the frak cant i even initiate pvp with him? Why? Cuz he is carrying freaking iss on his back who one shoot me! These lows dont even know what lineage 2 is about, but they are 80-90% of servers (i play on bartz)
i wodner if ncsoft do something about this cuz dualboxers and botters are they main resource of money but there is hope still : D
in coclusion, dont allow dualboxing, there will be much crying, but servers will be less overload. And remember l2 still is a teamplay game not whose got the most bots now
Dual Boxing is a crime and ncsoft is just ignorant.
It made sense back then. But doesn't now, though... However, the people who play so many accounts do tend to both play more and use the cash shop more, so he does have a smidgen of a point...
L2 is the most buff based MMO I've played so far(if it isn't the only), so removing dual box from the game is the same as asking for people to leave the game.
I know this is a Buff based game but think like this:
The class I like in this game is ISS and I want to play it as my main. If every player have a boxed ISS that makes me feel kina useless :( I try to find a party but somebody in that party will have a boxed iss so they won't need me.
I know that by removing dual box will kinda kill the game. but something has to be done so the ppl playing ISS as main won't feel like I do.
I know this is a Buff based game but think like this:
The class I like in this game is ISS and I want to play it as my main. If every player have a boxed ISS that makes me feel kina useless :( I try to find a party but somebody in that party will have a boxed iss so they won't need me.
I know that by removing dual box will kinda kill the game. but something has to be done so the ppl playing ISS as main won't feel like I do.
I play an Iss and don't feel like you do. You know why? Because nothing beats a live Iss that's why. Nut up and stop QQing.
I know this is a Buff based game but think like this:
The class I like in this game is ISS and I want to play it as my main. If every player have a boxed ISS that makes me feel kina useless :( I try to find a party but somebody in that party will have a boxed iss so they won't need me.
I know that by removing dual box will kinda kill the game. but something has to be done so the ppl playing ISS as main won't feel like I do.
Learn to be better than a boxed toon and you'll never have this problem again.
Dualboxing should be prohibited.
I used to think that private servers were going to be similar to official servers, but now off servers are just like privates in past years.
Half logged characters on server are that freaking duals. When I leave city almost everyone is carrying iss on back. Even in roa where you do newbie quest. What the frak is wrong with these pypless? They cant do anything on their own? Is thier cack getting bigger when they get sonatas every few minutes?
PK/Mentor system is freaking awsome, really! When I am exping someone get into my spot and kill my mobs. OK. I get used to it cuz its normal in L2. BUT WHY THE FRAK CANT I EVEN INITIATE PVP WITH HIM? Why? Cuz he is carrying freaking Iss on his back who one shoot me! These lows dont even know what lineage 2 is about, but they are 80-90% of servers (i play on bartz)
I wodner if ncsoft do something about this cuz dualboxers and botters are they main resource of money but there is hope still : D
In coclusion, dont allow dualboxing, there will be much crying, but servers will be less overload. And remember L2 still is a teamplay game not whose got the most bots nowNO
I'd rather NCSOFt ignore people who are barely able to construct a sentence. If you can't be bothered to spend a little time to insure that your posts have proper spelling and grammar then why would I believe you actually spent time contemplating the unintended consequences of your proposal?
Look I paid for my multiple accounts for YEARS before your freeloading *** decided to play this game. Don't hate on me because I find the challenge of running my own party with my wife to be a big draw of the game. Like others have said you won't have problems finding parties if you could figure out how to play better then a boxed version of your toon..
I'd rather NCSOFt ignore people who are barely able to construct a sentence. If you can't be bothered to spend a little time to insure that your posts have proper spelling and grammar then why would I believe you actually spent time contemplating the unintended consequences of your proposal?
Look I paid for my multiple accounts for YEARS before your freeloading *** decided to play this game. Don't hate on me because I find the challenge of running my own party with my wife to be a big draw of the game. Like others have said you won't have problems finding parties if you could figure out how to play better then a boxed version of your toon..
I'd rather NCSOFt ignore people who are barely able to construct a sentence. If you can't be bothered to spend a little time to insure that your posts have proper spelling and grammar then why would I believe you actually spent time contemplating the unintended consequences of your proposal?
Look I paid for my multiple accounts for YEARS before your freeloading *** decided to play this game. Don't hate on me because I find the challenge of running my own party with my wife to be a big draw of the game. Like others have said you won't have problems finding parties if you could figure out how to play better then a boxed version of your toon..
Killing Dual Boxing would leave you with an empty server. Half the server are dual-boxed? That means the other half are their active mains. That means at least half of those remaining players would likely quit because there is too much solo daily content that causes you to get left behind if you don't do it. Wanna do Kartia Solo with no buffs, because you can't find any buffs (we all know Iss Enchanters would be charging 1M a buff round to randoms if people couldn't log in their own boxed buffers).
If you were lazy and got to - God forbid - 90+ without leveling your own boxed buffer, that's your own fault. It's been common knowledge that if you aren't in a very active or power clan playing a support class sucks, and if you solo to any decent measure (which pretty much everyone does now due to changes in the game), you will be sucking without your own boxed buffer.
It takes 5 days to level up an Iss Enchanter to 85 and awaken it. There's no excuse for complaining about it.
It also takes only about 6-8 days to level a Summoner up to 85 so there's no reason for an Iss Enchanter to be complaining. If you want to level faster, then level up a Summoner and box your main, like SEs and EEs used to do with their alt nukers back in the day. It works, trust me.
my friend feel grateful for that player who's giving you "KS" exist and further that he had an ISS in its custody. that same person you claim to feel happy because with him around the chance to see a PK and close the place where you are uploading are smaller
I started on the server Bartz on 24/12/2011, as you talk about private servers, I'll tell you a little more, knowing nothing of the Chronicles "GD"
I created my main class tank elf, I saw that was not killing anything without buff, thought about doing a "buffer" preferably the old Prophet, having spent "MP" be less, not knowing that the GD of the starting class would become a prophet the worst of all classes between the buffer.
Around level 65 without VP without a mentor (I do not know what was to have a mentor), a certain Yul Archer lv 85/86 called "j33t" presented to the server as the PK, and beautiful and gorgeous TOI trembled as if the Baium's awakening, hours and hours "TOI" rising level, j33t kill you about 5 to 10 times a day and you lose 20-40% of your exp so hard.
So my friend before whimpering "KS" make at least a prophet and put him on lv 85, oh yes I'll give a little support in their cause, otherwise, use your free time to climb to level and not bother the forum.
Dualboxing should be prohibited.
I used to think that private servers were going to be similar to official servers, but now off servers are just like privates in past years.
Half logged characters on server are that freaking duals. When I leave city almost everyone is carrying iss on back. Even in roa where you do newbie quest. What the frak is wrong with these pypless? They cant do anything on their own? Is thier cack getting bigger when they get sonatas every few minutes?
PK/Mentor system is freaking awsome, really! When I am exping someone get into my spot and kill my mobs. OK. I get used to it cuz its normal in L2. BUT WHY THE FRAK CANT I EVEN INITIATE PVP WITH HIM? Why? Cuz he is carrying freaking Iss on his back who one shoot me! These lows dont even know what lineage 2 is about, but they are 80-90% of servers (i play on bartz)
I wodner if ncsoft do something about this cuz dualboxers and botters are they main resource of money but there is hope still : D
In coclusion, dont allow dualboxing, there will be much crying, but servers will be less overload. And remember L2 still is a teamplay game not whose got the most bots now
dont like dual boxxing...go back to the private server ya come from and quit posting things that has been hashed over many times
PK/Mentor system is freaking awsome, really! When I am exping someone get into my spot and kill my mobs. OK. I get used to it cuz its normal in L2. BUT WHY THE FRAK CANT I EVEN INITIATE PVP WITH HIM? Why? Cuz he is carrying freaking Iss on his back who one shoot me! These lows dont even know what lineage 2 is about, but they are 80-90% of servers (i play on bartz)
since ya like to come here and complain and ya love the pk system so much...maybe ya wont mind me coming over to Bartz to pk you until ya quit with my boxxed Iss...lol...we'll see how much ya like the pk system then
1st of all I can´t rly understand what youre complaining about.
There have always been dual, triple or whatever boxes in official.
Most were runing arround with some bd,sws,wc box in past cause you couldnt find enough active ones to fill the party.
So why don´t you simply create your own buff box?
Its only needed if you want to do your daily quests in swamps, seal, kartia solo, for some pvp action, or to lvl up a new character quick.
To lvl on a spot like harnak,soa,etc... you need an active ISS if you dont want to miss debuffs on mobs.
True if ppl come to your spot and you cant keep it cause he got an iss at his back who cares? These ppl dont care about you like you shouldnt care about them.
Solution, maybe search yourself a clan and just ask for help?
1st of all I can´t rly understand what youre complaining about.
There have always been dual, triple or whatever boxes in official.
Most were runing arround with some bd,sws,wc box in past cause you couldnt find enough active ones to fill the party.
So why don´t you simply create your own buff box?
Its only needed if you want to do your daily quests in swamps, seal, kartia solo, for some pvp action, or to lvl up a new character quick.
To lvl on a spot like harnak,soa,etc... you need an active ISS if you dont want to miss debuffs on mobs.
True if ppl come to your spot and you cant keep it cause he got an iss at his back who cares? These ppl dont care about you like you shouldnt care about them.
Solution, maybe search yourself a clan and just ask for help?
You can still solo for somewhat decent XP in fields. I know I could do 2% an hour easily in Altar of Evil (with no Vit) or one of the better Assassin/Watcher spots in Swamplands. You cannot do that without a boxed buffer (OOP). The XP becomes terrible if you invite a live Iss to the party and since I play ranged that character is useless since I will kill 90% of the MOBs before he/she can touch them.
Most Iss who go to Harnak are pretty bad and not much better than a boxed toon. I'm still puzzled at how so many of them still find it difficult to keep thier Mass Crippling attack up (resists notwithstanding) given it lasts almost as long as it takes to recycle post Tauti.
The people who waste 30 minutes doing nothing looking for the best XP possible are doing themselves a huge disservice. On my Summoner I did over half of 87 in a couple days not long ago and probably 30% of that came from soloing, in fields.
You can still solo for somewhat decent XP in fields. I know I could do 2% an hour easily in Altar of Evil (with no Vit) or one of the better Assassin/Watcher spots in Swamplands. You cannot do that without a boxed buffer (OOP). The XP becomes terrible if you invite a live Iss to the party and since I play ranged that character is useless since I will kill 90% of the MOBs before he/she can touch them.
Most Iss who go to Harnak are pretty bad and not much better than a boxed toon. I'm still puzzled at how so many of them still find it difficult to keep thier Mass Crippling attack up (resists notwithstanding) given it lasts almost as long as it takes to recycle post Tauti.
The people who waste 30 minutes doing nothing looking for the best XP possible are doing themselves a huge disservice. On my Summoner I did over half of 87 in a couple days not long ago and probably 30% of that came from soloing, in fields.
Iss aren't exactly epic classes,but I like being one. A live Iss is better than boxed, it's the person playing it that makes the difference.
And that 30% you earned in fields include a rune xp booster or a quest?
Dualboxing should be prohibited.
I used to think that private servers were going to be similar to official servers, but now off servers are just like privates in past years.
Half logged characters on server are that freaking duals. When I leave city almost everyone is carrying iss on back. Even in roa where you do newbie quest. What the frak is wrong with these pypless? They cant do anything on their own? Is thier cack getting bigger when they get sonatas every few minutes?
PK/Mentor system is freaking awsome, really! When I am exping someone get into my spot and kill my mobs. OK. I get used to it cuz its normal in L2. BUT WHY THE FRAK CANT I EVEN INITIATE PVP WITH HIM? Why? Cuz he is carrying freaking Iss on his back who one shoot me! These lows dont even know what lineage 2 is about, but they are 80-90% of servers (i play on bartz)
I wodner if ncsoft do something about this cuz dualboxers and botters are they main resource of money but there is hope still : D
In coclusion, dont allow dualboxing, there will be much crying, but servers will be less overload. And remember L2 still is a teamplay game not whose got the most bots now
Sounds like you're only crying because you're getting your *** handed to you instead of being the one killing everyone else. Either way...
Iss aren't exactly epic classes,but I like being one. A live Iss is better than boxed, it's the person playing it that makes the difference.
And that 30% you earned in fields include a rune xp booster or a quest?
A well-played Iss is epic. Most of them simply either don't know their role or don't want to accept it. I wish mine had better gear so I could rep the idiotic ones. I can hardly get the correct buff from half of them...
And Nope. I don't even bother getting that 3% buff. I did do swamp daily but that was only < 1% a day. I was just killing MOBs. Altar of Evil is 510-609k a kill. Harnak 3 non-mini boss MOBs are only 775k'ish-1.2m and most groups are tarded about handling the Weiss Eles so they cut into the XP gain. Theoretically at 87 in an efficient group you *can* get about 3-4% an hour, maybe more depending on overhits in the party. But most random groups don't even get 2% without XP bonuses.
A well-played Iss is epic. Most of them simply either don't know their role or don't want to accept it. I wish mine had better gear so I could rep the idiotic ones. I can hardly get the correct buff from half of them...
And Nope. I don't even bother getting that 3% buff. I did do swamp daily but that was only < 1% a day. I was just killing MOBs. Altar of Evil is 510-609k a kill. Harnak 3 non-mini boss MOBs are only 775k'ish-1.2m and most groups are tarded about handling the Weiss Eles so they cut into the XP gain. Theoretically at 87 in an efficient group you *can* get about 3-4% an hour, maybe more depending on overhits in the party. But most random groups don't even get 2% without XP bonuses.
Right the gear does make a difference, I'm cheap so I basically earn my element stones and with mentees it's a toss up, usually they kick me after I go to sleep so that's slow progress there too. Twilight I'm working on that part also. The way I see it any accessory no matter how little the stats on it is something especially with an augment.
3% is 3% in my opinion and given it's nothing,but I'll take anything. I mentor some of my own so ensure that 10%, and if I can get a party that's decent and lasts I'll use a one hour rune,but that's not often because more than likely after 20 mins someone is going to leave,usually a tank or healer and there we sit trying to replace it. If I don't die I'm lucky if I see 5-10% depending on how things go.
Right the gear does make a difference, I'm cheap so I basically earn my element stones and with mentees it's a toss up, usually they kick me after I go to sleep so that's slow progress there too. Twilight I'm working on that part also. The way I see it any accessory no matter how little the stats on it is something especially with an augment.
3% is 3% in my opinion and given it's nothing,but I'll take anything. I mentor some of my own so ensure that 10%, and if I can get a party that's decent and lasts I'll use a one hour rune,but that's not often because more than likely after 20 mins someone is going to leave,usually a tank or healer and there we sit trying to replace it. If I don't die I'm lucky if I see 5-10% depending on how things go.
You should join a clan and stop PUGing your exp...
This. A smart player who wants to get into the game seriously will just make an Iss first, THEN make whatever other toon he wants to play.
Having my own buffs allowed me to solo problem-free for consistent xp back in the day, and now it allows me to level lowbies super fast, buff myself if I feel like it, buff any small clan party I happen to be in if needed, buff clannies for solo kartia, etc
actually i advice my clan mates to level their main on mentor buffs first to 86 and then get the future ISS to 80 to then box with the main. while level main only do the daily quests with the future buffer and then mentor yourself.
now another thing i have to say is that peristalker is right this time, this horse is beaten dead several times and i dont see anything bad about boxing either. actually back in the old days i used to pay for 7 accounts (main, buffer, SWS, BD, EE and two shops) at the same time and had the others boxed on 2 computers. then sometimes in interlude or so i reduced to three accounts total and the other four i only pulled one out of retirement because there is simply no more need for the others anymore.
the part i just dont understand is why boxing is supposed to be bad. i mean i get your points you are all trying to make like about being anti social and jealous because you cant with your pizza-box of computer, but again, if we rather level, quest, PVP etc on our own, why would you want to force others to play with YOU when you cant even bring anything to the table except complaints.
botting may involve boxing but boxing is not the same as botting. we have a right to own several accounts and there is nothing to say against it. we enjoy and love the game more than anyone and only because we are more dedicated than others doesnt mean you can put us onto the same level as botters. i actually feel a little insulted about it, because it took us a lot of time to get to the point where we are now. i play the game for eight years now and year after year i have to read this same old story about some new guy comparing boxing with botting and assuming its the same thing.
its not!
i truly love this game, if not i would have started playing something else. new players will come and go, this topic will never stop and is as old as the game. its been simply wrong back in the old days as it is today.
just let it be. if you dont want to play multiple accounts, i respect that and for players like you there was many improvements like the changed group XP, the party matching, hunting grounds that make solo play almost impossible, etc... . so, i suggest you to play and enjoy the game your way, whether thats playing a single player or boxing several, but please stop being mad at others that prefer to play it their own way as well. i mean you want to be heard and plead to your right on freedom of speech or "gamefreedom" or whatever you have in mind, but please dont forget: those same rules apply for all other players. so if they prefer to play the game sitting naked in their beanbag chair eating cheetos or rather play from work or have their own little network with 15 computers running, ... let them. let them enjoy the game as they let you enjoy the game. show some tolerance, be happy and enjoy the game. after all its a world to relax and think about something else than bad things that happen IRL.
3% is 3% in my opinion and given it's nothing,but I'll take anything. I mentor some of my own so ensure that 10%, and if I can get a party that's decent and lasts I'll use a one hour rune,but that's not often because more than likely after 20 mins someone is going to leave,usually a tank or healer and there we sit trying to replace it. If I don't die I'm lucky if I see 5-10% depending on how things go.
I get the 3% when grouping, not when soloing. If you leave an awesome spot for that buff you will lose more than that buff gains at a worse spot.
In groups I get it before going and that's it. I cannot stand people who actually SOE out to go refresh that 3% buff. It's disruptive especially when it's a healer (they're the worse culprits, cause they know they can be hard to replace and the group can do nothing without them).
I get the 3% when grouping, not when soloing. If you leave an awesome spot for that buff you will lose more than that buff gains at a worse spot.
In groups I get it before going and that's it. I cannot stand people who actually SOE out to go refresh that 3% buff. It's disruptive especially when it's a healer (they're the worse culprits, cause they know they can be hard to replace and the group can do nothing without them).
No I don't Soe to go get it when it times out. That is just stupid
Uhm I'm in a clan :) We just don't always have a CP available. Plus it's magmeld I mean it's not exactly populated lol.
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I play Naia and that is 1 of the most populated servers. Still sometimes CP healer or iss wants to go out in RL, especially now in the summer. So, without an alt or box to play, very often, the 6 other people have to sit around for hours at a time trying to find a healer and/or iss. In the mean time, depending how many of your party are randoms, people will start leaving your party and u ll wait even longer. ALSO, 90+ main isses are quiet rare and I think it will be a big mistake if they will not allow boxes. (and the population of iss 85+ will also suddenly drop drastically)
To these people that complain about boxes:
1.) Make the parties, be PL instead of relaxing while other people struggle to make a party. You like it?
2.) Try doing swampland with only self buffs. Because that will be the future without boxes. You like it?
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I play Naia and that is 1 of the most populated servers. Still sometimes CP healer or iss wants to go out in RL, especially now in the summer. So, without an alt or box to play, very often, the 6 other people have to sit around for hours at a time trying to find a healer and/or iss. In the mean time, depending how many of your party are randoms, people will start leaving your party and u ll wait even longer. ALSO, 90+ main isses are quiet rare and I think it will be a big mistake if they will not allow boxes. (and the population of iss 85+ will also suddenly drop drastically)
To these people that complain about boxes:
1.) Make the parties, be PL instead of relaxing while other people struggle to make a party. You like it?
2.) Try doing swampland with only self buffs. Because that will be the future without boxes. You like it?
1 solution is, if you do random parties at all, /friendinvite ALL tanks/iss/healers you ever party with, and when you need one, open friend list, sort by online, and go down the list pming each one (you can click "whisper" button to get their name ready w/o having to type it.). Also I am in clan that wars most of server so I also have to take hold of anyone willing to party with me, even DDs for when I need to fill party. I do random parties mostly actually, I don't really like being tied to CP or having to come home at a certain time of day (cuz I just don't anyway); also when the CP leader gets mad at me for never being there, treats me like **** and ****** me off really bad, I don't want to party with them anymore anyway, because randoms will still treat me better! But I have learned not to take lvl 90 DD into Fortuna because you won't do enough damage and will time out before even getting to last stage :/
And yes I am usually party leader. It allows me to kick wartags if they get invited, and to control when and where we go. For instance, I usually pop vit pot at end of kartia group, then do fortuna, so that I will have vit thru all of it, then spez if any vit left, if fast with getting bombs won't use too much vit and might have some left before raid. Smart leaders in /partymatching also open waiting list, conveniently it sorts by level, and then start pm each person who hasn't done the instance you are going to do (which is visible what they have done if you click their name). And spam ally and shout. I can usually fill my parties rapidly. At least on Chronos, /partymatching is well worth using, it just can still be slow depending on the time of day and it really helps to supplement it with friend list. You never know when some class you really need is totally wanting to come but just wasn't looking right then.
As for the tool where you click on party member name to replace them and the person get summoned, no I haven't seen that working well and almost no one I know uses it. For 1 thing, I have wartags and/or ppl I am not supposed to party with, or who should not party with me or risk the wrath of their clan, so I cannot use it. For thing 2, one time using that I got some ******* who just logged in and clicked the thing and gets summoned and I have someone naked who didn't really intend to come to party and have to replace again anyway.
Finally, being mentee to your own ISS is very convenient because you can summon it to wherever you are every 10 minutes.
Why not? you have to spend time in doing an iss enchanter, i dont see nothing bat at that, you did your iss and you can use it for buff a character and make things faster, because you CAN. it's absurd to dont have a box iss and pay for buffs instead of making your own, with dualbox being allowed:S, is your choose in make an iss for box it, and if you want to lvl solo you should have an iss behind for buff when you want, instead of going to town every 30 mins for buffs, in 90+ you can't do anything without sonatas, how do you expect to ppl play solo?
And is useful if is your first character and then mentor your "main" if you use the leveled iss as a buff box.
Why not? you have to spend time in doing an iss enchanter, i dont see nothing bat at that, you did your iss and you can use it for buff a character and make things faster, because you CAN. it's absurd to dont have a box iss and pay for buffs instead of making your own, with dualbox being allowed:S, is your choose in make an iss for box it, and if you want to lvl solo you should have an iss behind for buff when you want, instead of going to town every 30 mins for buffs, in 90+ you can't do anything without sonatas, how do you expect to ppl play solo?
And is useful if is your first character and then mentor your "main" if you use the leveled iss as a buff box.
Yes, most of these buff sellers are also boxed. If boxing is not allowed then you won't be able to buy buffs anyway or only for 10kk :D
1 solution is, if you do random parties at all, /friendinvite ALL tanks/iss/healers you ever party with, and when you need one, open friend list, sort by online, and go down the list pming each one (you can click "whisper" button to get their name ready w/o having to type it.). Also I am in clan that wars most of server so I also have to take hold of anyone willing to party with me, even DDs for when I need to fill party. I do random parties mostly actually, I don't really like being tied to CP or having to come home at a certain time of day (cuz I just don't anyway); also when the CP leader gets mad at me for never being there, treats me like **** and ****** me off really bad, I don't want to party with them anymore anyway, because randoms will still treat me better! But I have learned not to take lvl 90 DD into Fortuna because you won't do enough damage and will time out before even getting to last stage :/
And yes I am usually party leader. It allows me to kick wartags if they get invited, and to control when and where we go. For instance, I usually pop vit pot at end of kartia group, then do fortuna, so that I will have vit thru all of it, then spez if any vit left, if fast with getting bombs won't use too much vit and might have some left before raid. Smart leaders in /partymatching also open waiting list, conveniently it sorts by level, and then start pm each person who hasn't done the instance you are going to do (which is visible what they have done if you click their name). And spam ally and shout. I can usually fill my parties rapidly. At least on Chronos, /partymatching is well worth using, it just can still be slow depending on the time of day and it really helps to supplement it with friend list. You never know when some class you really need is totally wanting to come but just wasn't looking right then.
As for the tool where you click on party member name to replace them and the person get summoned, no I haven't seen that working well and almost no one I know uses it. For 1 thing, I have wartags and/or ppl I am not supposed to party with, or who should not party with me or risk the wrath of their clan, so I cannot use it. For thing 2, one time using that I got some ******* who just logged in and clicked the thing and gets summoned and I have someone naked who didn't really intend to come to party and have to replace again anyway.
Finally, being mentee to your own ISS is very convenient because you can summon it to wherever you are every 10 minutes.
The problem with friends that you invite out of PUGs is that they're often Alts, Subs, or Casuals and if you play a decent amount you end up outleveling them.
If they're casual you run into too many playtime conflicts.
As for summoning your Iss you can simply sub a summoner. It gets Summon Friend at 56 and you don't ever have to worry about that.
You can't be mentee to your own Iss forever. That's gone once you ding 86 (which should take only 1-2 days, 3 max, if you're smart about it).
Why not? you have to spend time in doing an iss enchanter, i dont see nothing bat at that, you did your iss and you can use it for buff a character and make things faster, because you CAN. it's absurd to dont have a box iss and pay for buffs instead of making your own, with dualbox being allowed:S, is your choose in make an iss for box it, and if you want to lvl solo you should have an iss behind for buff when you want, instead of going to town every 30 mins for buffs, in 90+ you can't do anything without sonatas, how do you expect to ppl play solo?
And is useful if is your first character and then mentor your "main" if you use the leveled iss as a buff box.
This, people will pay for buffs all day long but they're too lazy to box their own Iss which will save them a ton of adena and time running back and forth to town.
And some stress cause I'm never nice when someone tries to ask me for buffs.
Be mad. No one cares. But boxed buffers aren't going anywhere, especially after how some of us have been hypothetically forced to triple/quad box just to play this game at a decent rate for years.
Dualboxing should be prohibited.
I used to think that private servers were going to be similar to official servers, but now off servers are just like privates in past years.
Half logged characters on server are that freaking duals. When I leave city almost everyone is carrying iss on back. Even in roa where you do newbie quest. What the frak is wrong with these pypless? They cant do anything on their own? Is thier cack getting bigger when they get sonatas every few minutes?
PK/Mentor system is freaking awsome, really! When I am exping someone get into my spot and kill my mobs. OK. I get used to it cuz its normal in L2. BUT WHY THE FRAK CANT I EVEN INITIATE PVP WITH HIM? Why? Cuz he is carrying freaking Iss on his back who one shoot me! These lows dont even know what lineage 2 is about, but they are 80-90% of servers (i play on bartz)
I wodner if ncsoft do something about this cuz dualboxers and botters are they main resource of money but there is hope still : D
In coclusion, dont allow dualboxing, there will be much crying, but servers will be less overload. And remember L2 still is a teamplay game not whose got the most bots now
OMG...this topic again...plz go play "Hello Kitty" and forget ya ever saw this game...dual-boxxing been around since you were in diapers ( from the sounds of it, ya still are) ANNNNNNND...the above Bolded Statement is sooooo untrue and ridiculous....all i could do was LMAO with coffee spewing out my nose...so inaccurate, plz go back to your private server and let the retail server alone with your inaccuracies. Oh and plz if ya are gonna stay around retail server...stay on Bartz cuz id just go red on ya with my boxxed Iss on Chronos :p
Well to be honest few people actually box on certain levels, and I think the OP is actually annoyed not by boxes but by some of those magic assist parties that farm in silence for hours on certain spots :D:D
yes yes.. remove dual boxing, remove bots, add some protections agains 3rd soft, ban all who spam in towns... make 1acc per IP...
/sarcasm mode off
Removing dual box would only be acceptable if the game weren't based on buffs, but this is not the case. So removing dual box in L2 means its death, or only some players that are willing to pay for buffs or buy buff elixir.
Fortunately, Lineage Eternal seems to be going back to Lineage's roots, where you don't need a pet buffer behind you and buffs don't make you 500% stronger(normally buffs should only bring slight improvements, something like 20%-30% stronger, but in L2, buffs are an anomaly).
Fortunately, Lineage Eternal seems to be going back to Lineage's roots, where you don't need a pet buffer behind you and buffs don't make you 500% stronger(normally buffs should only bring slight improvements, something like 20%-30% stronger, but in L2, buffs are an anomaly).
It's fine if you like Lineage II and Diablo merged into a single game. Got to play for a few hours during my visit to NCSoft Korea earlier this year.
I see no problem with Eternal, Lineage 1 is like this and it is more popular than L2 in east(but with a much more robotic gameplay). Lineage Eternal has potential to be in TOP 5 in Korea, because L1 is still in TOP 5 there.
remove dual boxing? is a joke? remove game is better. I use my iss for self buff when i do solo xp. I use my mentee (same account) when im in party for 10% bonus for my main (tank). What is wrong? Is server overpopulated - ban hundreds of bot is a fast solution. People who play iss dont have party? try to be a good player and people will find you (trust me some time is a big problem with to many pm). Sorry for my English is not my mother tongue.
its funny, these people that are against multi boxing crack me up. I was actually harrassed in shout today in bloody swamps because i am nice enough to help people awaken using my main and boxing my iss. One person in broken english shouted "ROOFUS = Play with BOT" just because I know how to run two clients and switch between windows and hit a macro lol. I get that on private servers you might not be able to run two clients but on official its allowed so deal with it. And Dog if you are reading this, a bot does not stop his entire party just to buff sonatas (well i guess some might but when i pause thats because im switching windows).
Multi boxing is part of this game, stop posting these threads and focus your attention on raising as much hell as you can about the botting so ncsoft has to listen. that zranger screenshot the other day was a great start but i already feel the hate wearing off.
Hey here's an idea lets all pick one day to post stupid threads like this and on that day we all dont log in or buy ncoin.
when i payed for my "accounts" no1 said stop dualboxing,.....
now the free char players are up and start crying :D about dual,multiboxing....
why?
where was you when l2 was playable only with payable :D
so for me no point !!!
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Interesting how your join date is the same date Lineage 2 went free to play. Yet you're bashing f2p newcomers and trying to present yourself like a genuine p2p guy. Like kids who lie they bought lots of NC coins and ask for compensations every time server goes down.
I see no problem with Eternal, Lineage 1 is like this and it is more popular than L2 in east(but with a much more robotic gameplay). Lineage Eternal has potential to be in TOP 5 in Korea, because L1 is still in TOP 5 there.
Lineage 1 is a standard game in Korea like the WoW in USA. It is their first real MMO, partly this is the reason too, that the Lineage 1 is so popular.
After all was lesser amount of changes in it under the times as it happened in the Lineage 2.
Also do not forget, that the L2's subscription fee is 30$ while the L1's SF only 10$ in Korea, so much easier to get players there also.
Lineage 2 just starts to return to its original form since this month.
Also was times, that the L2 was more popular and financially as the L1.
Lineage Eternal for me isn't a Lineage game for me 0 the Lineage content in it, it was just a strategy name choice to can sell more copies from it.
It would be a good single player game, but I do not think, that it will be good for MMO.
Also totally different as the L1 and L2 in play style too, so not sure, that the Lineage communities will love it.
Nothing problem, that the buffs are so important here, some of the classes was created to be a buffer class if they wouldn't be able to give so powerful buffs they wouldn't be able to find party or play.
0 content? How much do you know about Eternal lore to say it? The only thing we do know about it so far is that its lore happens 200 years after Lineage 1(while L2 is 200 years before L1): Lineage 2 -> (200 years) -> Lineage 1 -> (200 years) -> Lineage Eternal.
You can't say that it won't be a good MMO until playing it and listening to reviews/see what Koreans are thinking about it. So you will only be able to make conclusions about Eternal, at least, 1 year after its release.
Blade&Soul so far is doing fine in Korea, it seems that is going to keep in top 5 for more time than I expected, even Aion is still going fine in east. B&S is not released in China/Japan yet, we need to wait the release in both countries to make better conclusions.
What? 30 bucks monthly for L2? While newer games with a much better engine are cheaper(Aion(yes Aion engine >>>> infinity and beyond >>>> L2 engine), B&S)? This really is one of the reasons why L2 is going so poorly in east.
About what you said: if buffs weren't so strong buffers would be forgotten? But in order to make buffs balanced(not this absurd in L2), all buffers should be redesigned. They could become a mix between debuffers-nukers-dd(something like a soulbreaker). So you don't want one of them because of their buffs, but because of their debuffs. "Buffers" would gain a much better and more interesting role in party as dds-nukers-debuffers, while players wouldn't need to box them for solo-party, because only an active one can play decently. Why do you think that nobody does a box healer? Because only active healers can heal decently. The same would be applied with buffers if their role were debuffers-nukers-dd only.
The lack of the current buffs would be supplied through a compensation, the stats of players-items would be remade to compensate it. It is not a hard task to do.
Nothing problem, that the buffs are so important here, some of the classes was created to be a buffer class if they wouldn't be able to give so powerful buffs they wouldn't be able to find party or play.
Very, very false. On Aion "buffer class" is extremely looked after even tho the buffs are very low aditions and even this class is considered OP.
Buffer does not mean " a class that can only buff", it's a suporter above all and suporters can come in variety: protecting, healing, disabling and buffing. NC just recently adopted to have buffers play a greater role than they did in the past, if we didn't have buffs with 100% capacity of empowerment, "buffers" could have easily adapted into hybrids, sort of like now with very powerful debuffs and healing and decent DPS.
If L2 was never so buff dependant it would have no multi-box issues, and "buffers" would have been played more actively for sure, less lag and less max slot conection issues and classes with self buffs coudl make much more use of their self buffs such as elfs and summoners on the old times.
Nothing problem, that the buffs are so important here, some of the classes was created to be a buffer class if they wouldn't be able to give so powerful buffs they wouldn't be able to find party or play.
The starting issue is not the power of the buffs, but the fact that the buffers could be employed as AFK toons because they could provide little to no other useful supporting role, like debuffs, heals and crowd control, until very late levels. An example? Thorn Root from the Shillien Saints, the disabling Seals of the Dominators, etc... Which were more useful for PvP purposes, rather than PvE.
I don't remember many challenging situations in PvE outside specific high-level raids and instances (except for over-pulls), which would have made said crowd controllers very requested. Because the real pain was to level up said classes to the required levels, since they had little to no support from live players and were forced to multibox.
Of course my memory can serve me wrong, and I'd be very happy to hear that crowd control and heals were very requested even at low levels...
Very, very false. On Aion "buffer class" is extremely looked after even tho the buffs are very low aditions and even this class is considered OP.
Buffer does not mean " a class that can only buff", it's a suporter above all and suporters can come in variety: protecting, healing, disabling and buffing. NC just recently adopted to have buffers play a greater role than they did in the past, if we didn't have buffs with 100% capacity of empowerment, "buffers" could have easily adapted into hybrids, sort of like now with very powerful debuffs and healing and decent DPS.
If L2 was never so buff dependant it would have no multi-box issues, and "buffers" would have been played more actively for sure, less lag and less max slot conection issues and classes with self buffs coudl make much more use of their self buffs such as elfs and summoners on the old times.
Yes, Aion did it right. Chanters are very looked for parties but you don't see people there with dual box, because the game is not based on buffs, buffs there bring a very low improvement, and chanters have a much greater and more interesting role in party as dd-debuffer-healer hybrid, making people very interested in playing them as main char, for both solo and party.
L2 should be designed using the same idea of Aion since the beginning, and nowadays we wouldn't have problems with this forced boxing in L2.
0 content? How much do you know about Eternal lore to say it? The only thing we do know about it so far is that its lore happens 200 years after Lineage 1(while L2 is 200 years before L1): Lineage 2 -> (200 years) -> Lineage 1 -> (200 years) -> Lineage Eternal.
You can't say that it won't be a good MMO until playing it and listening to reviews/see what Koreans are thinking about it. So you will only be able to make conclusions about Eternal, at least, 1 year after its release.
Blade&Soul so far is doing fine in Korea, it seems that is going to keep in top 5 for more time than I expected, even Aion is still going fine in east. B&S is not released in China/Japan yet, we need to wait the release in both countries to make better conclusions.
What? 30 bucks monthly for L2? While newer games with a much better engine are cheaper(Aion(yes Aion engine >>>> infinity and beyond >>>> L2 engine), B&S)? This really is one of the reasons why L2 is going so poorly in east.
About what you said: if buffs weren't so strong buffers would be forgotten? But in order to make buffs balanced(not this absurd in L2), all buffers should be redesigned. They could become a mix between debuffers-nukers-dd(something like a soulbreaker). So you don't want one of them because of their buffs, but because of their debuffs. "Buffers" would gain a much better and more interesting role in party as dds-nukers-debuffers, while players wouldn't need to box them for solo-party, because only an active one can play decently. Why do you think that nobody does a box healer? Because only active healers can heal decently. The same would be applied with buffers if their role were debuffers-nukers-dd only.
The lack of the current buffs would be supplied through a compensation, the stats of players-items would be remade to compensate it. It is not a hard task to do.
I never told, that the LE will bad game, just I told I can mainly imagine it as a single player game and, that maybe in this form it would be better.
the Blade & Soul already fall out from the top 5 it was the 9th 2 weeks ago, now it is in the top again, but if we look, how much potential was in the Lineage, Lineage 2 or AION in their first years after they released, the B&S doesn't stand so good.
Well yes, the game is very buff based and now as the game became instanced it resulted problems.
I agree with Tiferet in it, that the biggest issue with the buffers, that from now they have very useful debuffs, but they haven't on low levels so they are able to XP slower, mainly now as the mentoring system is exist.
But was some important modify in the mentoring system! The old buffs will be the mentor buffs from the next update.
So from now will offer to take a Prophet or Warcryer to your party or Shilen Elder for their debuffs.
Also was a good step from the developers, that they didn't gave different and more powerful buff to the new buffer classes, but they got different debuffs, passive skills what help them to find parties.
So I guess the Lineage 2 did start to walk on a good way in this situation and it will take its result.
Unless L2 becomes another game that all classes have own full buffs and dd skills and xp/adena can be acquired with other methods,your request cant happen.
Unless L2 becomes another game that all classes have own full buffs and dd skills and xp/adena can be acquired with other methods,your request cant happen.
The best solution is what I said above:
- make all buffers in L2 like chanters in Aion: a dd/debuffer/nuker/healer hybrid;
- nerf all buffs to the point that they only bring very small improvements, all stats of players-items in the game must be reformulated to compensate the nerf of all buffs;
- these changes in classes-buffs must be made since level 1, not 85+, in other words, L2 needs a total revamp from the beginning, they also need to revamp all low level places in order to make people to play in groups since, at least, level 20, instead of this solo journey(with you mentor-buffer behind you) til 85.
Removing dual box in the current state of L2 will only cause discontent among the players.
- make all buffers in L2 like chanters in Aion: a dd/debuffer/nuker/healer hybrid;
- nerf all buffs to the point that they only bring very small improvements, all stats of players-items in the game must be reformulated to compensate the nerf of all buffs;
- these changes in classes-buffs must be made since level 1, not 85+, in other words, L2 needs a total revamp from the beginning, they also need to revamp all low level places in order to make people to play in groups since, at least, level 20, instead of this solo journey(with you mentor-buffer behind you) til 85.
Removing dual box in the current state of L2 will only cause discontent among the players.
Look Furunkulus, this dualbox system and buff system never wasn't problem in the Lineage 2.
Problem just appeared since the Goddess of Destruction, that appeared the instance where you need players in fix level ranges, additionally if you make open field XP, you can't XP with more than 9 level differences.
At the C5-Interlude times you could XP with someone in 40 level difference later it changed to 20 after to 9.
It was always good if you had active buffer in the party, but if you didn't find buffer took your dual box one.
So to remove the dual box is the craziest idea, but to make a limit to them or make the dual box usage to a service what you have to pay area good ideas.
You talk about it, that the Lineage 2 need a revamp and etc.
What the Lineage 2 doesn't need it is the revamp.
The Lineage 2 in the C4-C5-interlude-Kamael-Hellbound times when it was in most unique form, got more players and made much higher incomings in Korea too as the Lineage 1 or any another Korean game.
This is why officially too the most successful Asian game the Lineage II. Atleast the Asian media write this about the L2.
Now with the Chapter 3 the game did find back to its original way and hopefully with time those Korean and Non-Korean players will return too to game who did leave, because the instanced and partly revamped gameplay.
Yes, Aion did it right. Chanters are very looked for parties but you don't see people there with dual box, because the game is not based on buffs, buffs there bring a very low improvement, and chanters have a much greater and more interesting role in party as dd-debuffer-healer hybrid, making people very interested in playing them as main char, for both solo and party.
L2 should be designed using the same idea of Aion since the beginning, and nowadays we wouldn't have problems with this forced boxing in L2.
L2 has been the same since the beginning. Haha, so much fail. Go play in traffic please.
Individuals supporting this thread need to go back to their private servers with the AIO buffers.
or go play WoW.
So many scrubs these days, haha.
I miss the old days when you could actually play a support toon a your main and not have any problems finding groups. Back in C4 my Prophet and Bishop never had any problems when I shouted LFG with either of them; especially my Prophet.
Now you just box your buffer and everything is nice and easy. :D
Alsas, the fun days of L2 are gone and I doubt even Chapter 3 will bring it back because everything now to just too easy. :D
Private servers, BAH! A disease on the L2 world. :P
Individuals supporting this thread need to go back to their private servers with the AIO buffers.
or go play WoW.
So many scrubs these days, haha.
If you haven't realized yet, ISS = AIO, because we have all the buffs in only one character. Before you needed to box at least a WC and a dancer at once, but now we have all in one, the AIO called ISS enchanter.
Korean developers just realized after many years, multi-buffers and multi-buffs are a cancer in any mmo. Leads to uneeded overpopulation /exploiting /imbalance.
If you haven't realized yet, ISS = AIO, because we have all the buffs in only one character. Before you needed to box at least a WC and a dancer at once, but now we have all in one, the AIO called ISS enchanter.
You can not consider it an AIO. They reduced the amount of classes to 7 classes. That will change next year hopefully, stepping away from any potential of being labeled similar to an "AIO". 34 classes or bust.
I've yet to see a boxed Iss/Sigel/Aeore in a party. Trust me, nobody's gonna epta-box a whole party.
People do. I've been in parties where one person was actually 3 of the toons in that party, healer+tank+DD.
But I do agree with the OPs unspoken point that a buffer class is actually a pointless class and we would all be better off it is was eliminated and our stats were corrected to take into account the lack of buffs. If you think about it our stats are actually lower than they should be on the pretext that we will be getting buffs that bring our stats up to where they have been if no buffing class existed. Under that theory buffers aren't actually buffing us, they are only bringing us back to the point where we would have been if no buffing class existed and are thus making us all worse off by their existance and our forced an unnecessary reliance on them.
I miss the old days when you could actually play a support toon a your main and not have any problems finding groups. Back in C4 my Prophet and Bishop never had any problems when I shouted LFG with either of them; especially my Prophet.
Now you just box your buffer and everything is nice and easy. :D
Alsas, the fun days of L2 are gone and I doubt even Chapter 3 will bring it back because everything now to just too easy. :D
Private servers, BAH! A disease on the L2 world. :P
Lol yeah, I made a prophet when I moved from Devianne to Bartz. It was great! I would solo in Leather Armor and a dagger or group with of course, robe and acu/homonkulus!
Back to the present, when you get higher level and you are doing dailies/instances you want an active Iss. So active Iss's still get plenty of groups. Having the choice of creating your own Iss to have buffs when you want because you might play more than others or later hours than the people you play with is great and there is nothing wrong with that.
If people can dual box in any MMORPG they usually do, even IF they don't need it but then again who are others to tell them they shouldn't 'dual box' when it really does not Fkg matter.
I miss the old days when you could actually play a support toon a your main and not have any problems finding groups. Back in C4 my Prophet and Bishop never had any problems when I shouted LFG with either of them; especially my Prophet.
Now you just box your buffer and everything is nice and easy. :D
Alsas, the fun days of L2 are gone and I doubt even Chapter 3 will bring it back because everything now to just too easy. :D
Private servers, BAH! A disease on the L2 world. :P
That's because everyone smartened up and realized that once a buffer buffed they were nothing more than leeches in the party and they could earn more XP/SP/adena by kicking them out of the party once they buffed in the case of warcriers and never bother inviting them into the party in the case of prophets who could give buffs oop.
Buffers never brought anything useful to the table. The buffs they gave merely brought players up to the point where they would have been in the absence of those buffs and therefore actually did more to harm gameplay than help it by requiring the presence of a buffer simply to bring players to where they should have been anyways.
Dualboxing should be allowed, no doubt about that.
If a person like to play with his boxes, because he likes to keep all the drops, or likes to start playing without waiting for others, or don`t like to play without full-buffs, or even loves to play alone, rotating between their favorite character ingroup; why we should have the right to decide that someone won`t be allowed to dualboxing?
Something like:no, you don`t play in dual-box mode, because it is "unfair" or "it is a cheater`s way of doing things" or "because of dual-boxers my character cannot find parties", don`t make sense, and is a selfish behavior toward fellow players.
If you think dual-boxing is harmful to the game, simply don´t do it and find people with the same idea, and make a group with them, but please, let the others dual,triple, quadruple, etc-boxing, if they like it, afterall they have the right to have fun in-game, in the way they seem more fit, without using any ilegitimate way.
That's because everyone smartened up and realized that once a buffer buffed they were nothing more than leeches in the party and they could earn more XP/SP/adena by kicking them out of the party once they buffed in the case of warcriers and never bother inviting them into the party in the case of prophets who could give buffs oop.
Buffers never brought anything useful to the table. The buffs they gave merely brought players up to the point where they would have been in the absence of those buffs and therefore actually did more to harm gameplay than help it by requiring the presence of a buffer simply to bring players to where they should have been anyways.
That's why "aura" buffs work in most games which avoid this issue. (require buffer in party and toggle up stuff to have buff effects)
- make all buffers in L2 like chanters in Aion: a dd/debuffer/nuker/healer hybrid;
- nerf all buffs to the point that they only bring very small improvements, all stats of players-items in the game must be reformulated to compensate the nerf of all buffs;
- these changes in classes-buffs must be made since level 1, not 85+, in other words, L2 needs a total revamp from the beginning, they also need to revamp all low level places in order to make people to play in groups since, at least, level 20, instead of this solo journey(with you mentor-buffer behind you) til 85.
Removing dual box in the current state of L2 will only cause discontent among the players.
For Ncwest servers,the main problem that lead people into boxing was the difference of playing hours between people.If we all played from the same country,all had the same work time scedules ect,we would have very small need to box because we cant find someone to go with.
This became worst with the need of constant partys since raids became instances.If no ability to box,everytime someone couldnt play,all party wouldnt play.
The game itself had stuff that lead into multiboxing,from setting cameras for porting to raids untill do oly and territory wars or ceremony.It's just too many things that you need to do because all of these gives a certain reward,but there is simply no time in the 4-5 hours of daily playing.I always wondered if the developers ever took a watch to count how many hours a player (with his party/clan ready and waiting) needs to complete his daily grind for 1%,his raids,the clan's raids and the pvp for them,his oly matches,his farming for adena where ever he goes,his market stuff,ect ect.
For Ncwest servers,the main problem that lead people into boxing was the difference of playing hours between people.If we all played from the same country,all had the same work time scedules ect,we would have very small need to box because we cant find someone to go with.
This became worst with the need of constant partys since raids became instances.If no ability to box,everytime someone couldnt play,all party wouldnt play.
The game itself had stuff that lead into multiboxing,from setting cameras for porting to raids untill do oly and territory wars or ceremony.It's just too many things that you need to do because all of these gives a certain reward,but there is simply no time in the 4-5 hours of daily playing.I always wondered if the developers ever took a watch to count how many hours a player (with his party/clan ready and waiting) needs to complete his daily grind for 1%,his raids,the clan's raids and the pvp for them,his oly matches,his farming for adena where ever he goes,his market stuff,ect ect.
And that's the reason why, buffers dont match with reality, nor with the need of players
Why you need to wait for some1 to start a small task? You shouldn't. One will box anyway to get buffs to fix this issue, so it's back to 0, you're still on your own, but boxing now to be able to complete this small task. IF buffer wasn't needed for almost every simple task, you wouldn't need to box everytime, and still "producing" the same as before.
People do. I've been in parties where one person was actually 3 of the toons in that party, healer+tank+DD.
But I do agree with the OPs unspoken point that a buffer class is actually a pointless class and we would all be better off it is was eliminated and our stats were corrected to take into account the lack of buffs. If you think about it our stats are actually lower than they should be on the pretext that we will be getting buffs that bring our stats up to where they have been if no buffing class existed. Under that theory buffers aren't actually buffing us, they are only bringing us back to the point where we would have been if no buffing class existed and are thus making us all worse off by their existance and our forced an unnecessary reliance on them.
Dude, i need to ask...you know the meaning of "MMO"...Massive Multi-player Online. If they get rid of the Buffers, they also getting rid of revenue, cuz the ppl that play an Iss as their main will/do buy NC Coin...Buffers are here to stay and so is Dual Boxxing. ;)
And that's the reason why, buffers dont match with reality, nor with the need of players
Why you need to wait for some1 to start a small task? You shouldn't. One will box anyway to get buffs to fix this issue, so it's back to 0, you're still on your own, but boxing now to be able to complete this small task. IF buffer wasn't needed for almost every simple task, you wouldn't need to box everytime, and still "producing" the same as before.
Still you would be left with a bunch of other ingame activities that require multiboxing like i said,setting cameras for raids/pvp,farming oly/ceremony,farming events, ect ect..
Game should stick in his first days to not require multiboxing for anything.If the idea is how to remove bots,the answer is ncsoft/ncwest should change their xp/drop/reward's rates and make a realistic plan of what activities can a player do,if the idea is how a player can enjoy gaming without need wait for others or box his buffer,the answer is bring back the places with good xp+drops for 3 -man partys like rift and delusion room.