i bought 3 blesed for weapon and the 3 fail on +3
i use giant scroll on +2 as u said and only gave +3
and i try normal with lucky stone on +3 and brake the weapon with sa and full element
omg with rates, make this more playeable please.
only boters can get all easy and are the only rich ppl
all this cost me 10k of mentee coin, like 800kk adena
and ncoins
and like i wrote in other post i bought 2 destiny pack's and that was all faill too in the armor enchants etc
and now no weapon
i am a good customer check my ncoin records, please refund some of that
ncoins and adena
is too many lost, the chances are unreal
omg with rates, make this more playeable please.
only boters can get all easy and are the only rich ppl
I don't bot or buy adena, and I have moderate success with OE of equipment; however, I NEVER try to OE anything with SA and full element, that's just crazy.
Nobody has ever said it was easy either; but the game is easier now than ever before.
all this cost me 10k of mentee coin, like 800kk adena
and ncoins and like i wrote in other post i bought 2 destiny pack's and that was all faill too in the armor enchants etc
and now no weapon
800m - I wish I had 800m to waste on an OE, how did you amass that much spare cash?
I spent 850m making a 2 handed S80 sword. Crafting (100m), SAing (600m), Elementing (only 220 holy) (100m) and +3 (50m)..
now it's worth less than 100m - IF i can find a buyer. (all this happened within 2 months of making it)
i am a good customer check my ncoin records, please refund some of that
ncoins and adena is too many lost, the chances are unreal
No refund is likely, it is after all a chance to enchant.
The 66% has been tested over the years, and it's just that 66%, no more, no less.
"You pays your money, you takes your chance"
I have successfully enchanted a +10 S weapon, I have successfully enchanted a +16 D weapon, and I have failed on a 95% event cake recipe. It's all chance.
No refund is likely, it is after all a chance to enchant.
The 66% has been tested over the years, and it's just that 66%, no more, no less.
"You pays your money, you takes your chance"
I have successfully enchanted a +10 S weapon, I have successfully enchanted a +16 D weapon, and I have failed on a 95% event cake recipe. It's all chance.
Actually I would disagree with you on your 66% claim. I believe the 66% number is probably correct for D - S80 weapons but I believe R weaps are NOT 66%. This conclusion is based on personal experience as well as Juji's test on lucky stones (in Juji's Lab section). His limited test saw a 50% success rate on OEing R weapons. This is actually higher than my own experience (closer to 40%) but it is still substantially less than 66%.
Honestly I hate agreeing with whiners but I did notice enchant rates suck more then in the past.
Spent 200 bucks on nc cards at gamestop and failed 5 BEWR trying to +4 my blessed dual apoc daggers. I sold 2 and finally made a +4 with the last one. Had to sell the 2 so i could afford the numerous EWR's.
I also bought two destiny packs and tried two giants scrolls and the first one failed and the 2nd one made a +3 item.
So the BEWR are worth it if you buy from Gamestop, the destiny packs are crap until the Giants scrolls are removed.
im talking about an r95 dual
not d,c,b,a,or s weapon, the cost cant be compared be reallistic!
is not the same to take chances enchanting this other weapons using
normal scrolls
requiem or apoca u can take the risk everyone do that
but not r95
and the blessed scrolls cost more than 120kk each
the destinys pack u know how much cost, the llucky stones u can see it in mentor shop
the weapons r95 are from 350kk to 4kkk
so after using 3 blesed, and 2 giant, to try to get only +4 obviusly one get desperated, so i tried a lucky stone with normal scroll
and it brake the thing
so like i said, only ppl that cheat can get billions and billions to expend 30 blessed scrolls in one weapon
is not fare , please give to the ppl more chances to get stonger
im talking about an r95 dual
not d,c,b,a,or s weapon, the cost cant be compared be reallistic!
is not the same to take chances enchanting this other weapons using
normal scrolls
requiem or apoca u can take the risk everyone do that
but not r95
and the blessed scrolls cost more than 120kk each
the destinys pack u know how much cost, the llucky stones u can see it in mentor shop
the weapons r95 are from 350kk to 4kkk
so after using 3 blesed, and 2 giant, to try to get only +4 obviusly one get desperated, so i tried a lucky stone with normal scroll
and it brake the thing
so like i said, only ppl that cheat can get billions and billions to expend 30 blessed scrolls in one weapon
is not fare , please give to the ppl more chances to get stonger
ty
:)
You should stop playing game if it is too much for you.
You should stop spending real money on this game if it is too much for you.
You should not over enchant items if the stress of loss is too much for you.
You should not pay 2 win and suck out on chance gamble in game if the loss is too much for you.
Moral of story, man alone can not out perform machines...why do you think they are built?
Anything they can do to make things easier for legits is just going to make things easier for cheaters as well. Sure, you'll be able to make a +10 weapon or w/e, but then the new botting standard will be +20. The only solution is dealing more aggressively with the botting problem.
I had made a post some weeks ago about the oe sucess rate in r grade weapons(or after awakened system).
13 fails using BEWR,all my money gone.Some more people posted,1 of them failed 70 times for +6 an s grade item!
Noone from gms answred saying we maybe need check/fix rates.On the other hand,average korean players run around with +7/+12 weapons and +6 set armors and korean players keep saying that most of them dont run bottrains ,dont ebay and do small purcases in coin shop.
Since 1+1=2 in all countrys of the world,either koreans lie and bot night and day,either in their servers sucess rates are different.
It's random. Not a guarantee. Also Juji's test was not to see the oe success rate on weapons, it was just to show that marginally the stones help. His pool was far too small to give even a remotely close success rate.
I've known people to use 10~ bless scrolls and not get to +4 and other getting to +10 w/ normal scrolls on R weps.
As for blowing up your only sa'd and elemented weapon, it's pretty funny.
I had made a post some weeks ago about the oe sucess rate in r grade weapons(or after awakened system).
13 fails using BEWR,all my money gone.Some more people posted,1 of them failed 70 times for +6 an s grade item!
Noone from gms answred saying we maybe need check/fix rates.On the other hand,average korean players run around with +7/+12 weapons and +6 set armors and korean players keep saying that most of them dont run bottrains ,dont ebay and do small purcases in coin shop.
Since 1+1=2 in all countrys of the world,either koreans lie and bot night and day,either in their servers sucess rates are different.
You should know in Korea there are many players with talismans on last level...because their population is several times higher than ours..it's not about rates, they are generally rich because they're not greedy ******** and contantly share drops in a very fair manner while here 1 person out of 1000 keeps everything to themselves.
This affects how many people get ++weapons if you have enough wealth for that risk, and with their huge population, it is normal that you'll find them having more sucessful enchant than us in comparison.
It's random. Not a guarantee. Also Juji's test was not to see the oe success rate on weapons, it was just to show that marginally the stones help. His pool was far too small to give even a remotely close success rate.
I've known people to use 10~ bless scrolls and not get to +4 and other getting to +10 w/ normal scrolls on R weps.
As for blowing up your only sa'd and elemented weapon, it's pretty funny.
I am going to have to disagree with you on this. First, while Juji's test was obviously too small, it does add to the total pool of information we have regarding R grade enchant rates. Take his 200 attempts + the the numerous post on these forums regarding R enchants + (and probably most telling) museum statistics from all servers and you would be an idiot to still believe R weapons succeed at a rate of 66%. If 66% were the correct rate then we would see ALOT more moderate to highly OE'ed R weapons across all the servers but we don't.
Also, I suspect you're analogy is highly misleading. Everyone "knows" someone who was able to get an R weapon to +7 or higher but, I would bet that everyone "knows" 10x as many people who failed just trying for +4.
I am not writing any of this in support of the OP but merely to add to the growing amount of evidence that suggest R weapons suceed at a lower rate than 66% rate. The OP took the risk and lost, that sucks but it happens.
You should know in Korea there are many players with talismans on last level...because their population is several times higher than ours..it's not about rates, they are generally rich because they're not greedy ******** and contantly share drops in a very fair manner while here 1 person out of 1000 keeps everything to themselves.
This affects how many people get ++weapons if you have enough wealth for that risk, and with their huge population, it is normal that you'll find them having more sucessful enchant than us in comparison.
Talismans on last lvl after so many months in korean dont prove anything,people do oly get energys,do daily q,when after some months they can get the top talisman.
But average player having at least +7 weapon and +6 armorset,i repeat,average player(not player in the big pvp clan),shows that either we miss some of the game mechanics,or they bot and ebay a lot.
1+1=2 in all countrys.
when you need to blow 100 weapons to make a +7 r weapon,no matter how many people they play in the server, you will not find these 100 weapons to buy and oe them,you and the rest of 2k average players in your lvl of server!Either they bot and ebay like crazy,either they have something different in game mechanics.
They all xp in same hours and in same spots,so they cant ''produce'' more drops and if you count the instaces for weapon full drops better leave it,but they have X2 rates for xp/sp and drop rate (or lets say X4 rates if most of them use the nc coin vitality items),maybe these 4X rates also affect the drop rate or even the oe sucess rate.
And the chance to get it? It doesn't have to do with time, it has to do with population, rates of enchant are the same in l2 tawain and they are much closer in relations with NCkorea than we are, are you telling me they have lower rates too? It's all about luck, when GOD started i saw on clan chat, random doing apo bow +8 in first week at first try, dude trying to crystalize apo cutter going +7 out of nowhere, it's just luck!
If u want oe weapons go to x10000 server with +150 safe and do your job..
My own experience in R weapons is:
3 req busters burned +3>4 then
5 apo busters burned +3>+4 then
then 1 apo buster successful became +4 then
then apo bow burned +3>+4 and finaly
specter bow and specter singer both +4 in 1st attempt...
Also i OE loads of weapons till +4 and crush for R crils.. and i can after enchanting 40-50 weapons that 3/4 succeeded becoming +4
Just u'r lucky or not.. and don't use lucky stones with expensive items nabz...
I am going to have to disagree with you on this. First, while Juji's test was obviously too small, it does add to the total pool of information we have regarding R grade enchant rates. Take his 200 attempts + the the numerous post on these forums regarding R enchants + (and probably most telling) museum statistics from all servers and you would be an idiot to still believe R weapons succeed at a rate of 66%. If 66% were the correct rate then we would see ALOT more moderate to highly OE'ed R weapons across all the servers but we don't.
Also, I suspect you're analogy is highly misleading. Everyone "knows" someone who was able to get an R weapon to +7 or higher but, I would bet that everyone "knows" 10x as many people who failed just trying for +4.
I am not writing any of this in support of the OP but merely to add to the growing amount of evidence that suggest R weapons suceed at a lower rate than 66% rate. The OP took the risk and lost, that sucks but it happens.
Aaaand you totally didn't read what I posted. Juji was not showing the OE success rate on weapons. He was showing that the enchant stones marginally help with their oe success rate whatever their base % is.
Just because something is a 66% success rate, that doesn't guarantee anything. You can fall into the failing category 10 times in a row and your friend can succeed 10 times in a row. It doesn't mean the rate has changed, it just means you need a better pre enchant ritual. I personally rub my EWR on the thighs of nubile Asian virgins then run around Magmeld 7 times counter clockwise. Never failed with this ritual at all.
Depending on what the RNG is based off of, your "pre-enchantment ritual" may actually contribute to your success, lolz. (i.e. if the RNG is based upon the exact time, location, your character name, what the last enchantment result was, etc.)
Since one doesn't know how the number is generated, it appears random, simulating a certain programmed "percentage."
@manuu, I agree that RNG for low increases on high-value items is bad. However, KNOWING that your previous safer options failed, all the more reason to NOT risk your item to the regular method.