The following unexpected changes to the game were implemented with the server maintenance of September 5, 2012:
Raiding
The field raid system for levels 1 through 84 has been renovated.
The respawn time for field raid bosses has decreased by half, from an average of 36 hours (24 hours at random) to an average of 18 hours (12 hours at random).
The stats for the field raid bosses have been altered so that they can be defeated by one party of a matching level.
After slaying a raid boss, you now receive a buff that increases XP and SP gain by 10% for 1 hour.
When hunting a raid boss, you can still gain high XP and SP if you participate with high contribution as an individual or as a party member, even if you're not in the main party.
XP and SP rewards and buffs are received if you are within a 5-level range of the boss' level.
Quests
5 New daily quests encouraging raids will be added for grades D, C, B, A, and S, starting at level 20.
Wynn Summoner
The maximum number of servitors that a Wynn Summoner can summon by level has been changed as follows:
Character level 85: (before) 3 (now) 2
Character level 90: (before) 3 (now) 2
Character level 95: (before) 4 (now) 2
Character level 99: (before) 4 (now) 2
Points per servitor and available summon points are being adjusted to alter the maximum number of servitors.
Available summon points for levels 1 through 4 of Superior Summon Mastery have all been changed to 4.
2 points each are consumed for summoning the Cougar, Bear, and Soul Reaper.
Servitor P. Atk., P. Def., M. Atk., M. Def., and HP stats have been significantly increased.
Olympiad
The run time for Olympiad has changed as follows:
(old) 18:00 to 24:00 Friday, Saturday, and Sunday (server time)
(new) 21:00 to 24:00 Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday (server time)
Olympiad rewards have changed as follows:
Level 95 weapons and armor, and R-Grade enchant scrolls have been added to the list of purchasable items.
The amount of Adena, tokens, and reputation points needed for purchase has been decreased.
Ceremony of Chaos
The run time for Ceremony of Chaos has changed as follows:
(old) 20:00 to 24:00 every day (server time)
(new) 19:00 to 23:00 every day (server time)
The skill descriptions need to be changed, they still have the old ones. It is inexcusable that the skills work so differently from the in game descriptions.
About Wynn : Those feature are not even announced in Korea, they are just in project for the futur wynn summon changes and actually discussed (it's only about the division of class and have been posted yesterday on official L2 Korea website). Do you seriously think that having 2 summons with 21k matk is the same than 3 summons with 16k matk ?
Please, don't act like you think that it's just something you didn't saw, everything is messed up and don't expect every summoner will accept that you suddenly decided in 3h maintenance that you will lower ammount of summons while it's not even the case in Korea.
Exactly, WTF are you doing? Why always nerfing wynns? Why wont you look at another class, like archer, who's hitting 20k+? maybe will be better if you delete wynn summoners?
The following changes to the game were implemented with the server maintenance of September 5, 2012:
Raiding
The field raid system for levels 1 through 84 has been renovated.
The respawn time for field raid bosses has decreased by half, from an average of 36 hours (24 hours at random) to an average of 18 hours (12 hours at random).
The stats for the field raid bosses have been altered so that they can be defeated by one party of a matching level.
After slaying a raid boss, you now receive a buff that increases XP and SP gain by 10% for 1 hour.
When hunting a raid boss, you can still gain high XP and SP if you participate with high contribution as an individual or as a party member, even if you're not in the main party.
XP and SP rewards and buffs are received if you are within a 5-level range of the boss' level.
Quests
5 New daily quests encouraging raids will be added for grades D, C, B, A, and S, starting at level 20.
Wynn Summoner
The maximum number of servitors that a Wynn Summoner can summon by level has been changed as follows:
Character level 85: (before) 3 (now) 2
Character level 90: (before) 3 (now) 2
Character level 95: (before) 4 (now) 2
Character level 99: (before) 4 (now) 2
Points per servitor and available summon points are being adjusted to alter the maximum number of servitors.
Available summon points for levels 1 through 4 of Superior Summon Mastery have all been changed to 4.
2 points each are consumed for summoning the Cougar, Bear, and Soul Reaper.
Servitor P. Atk., P. Def., M. Atk., M. Def., and HP stats have been significantly increased.
Olympiad
The run time for Olympiad has changed as follows:
(old) 18:00 to 24:00 Friday, Saturday, and Sunday (server time)
(new) 21:00 to 24:00 Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday (server time)
Olympiad rewards have changed as follows:
Level 95 weapons and armor, and R-Grade enchant scrolls have been added to the list of purchasable items.
The amount of Adena, tokens, and reputation points needed for purchase has been decreased.
Ceremony of Chaos
The run time for Ceremony of Chaos has changed as follows:
(old) 20:00 to 24:00 every day (server time)
(new) 19:00 to 23:00 every day (server time)
Due to the unexpected changes to the summoner class, will NCsoft extend the courtesy of offering current Wynn Summoners the option to change to a different class?
Unfortunately the changes to Wynn Summoner were unannounced changes that were not expected to go live on the servers at this time. Please see the patch note list here
I think that if this had been announced on Korea patch note that would have been discussed a lot on our boards since a long time, but nobody was aware about thoses changes in Korea.
Plus as said Yuale, the summon number diminusion is only in discussion as part of futur class division update in Korea...
Sace i think you should double check with NCKR if they didn't sent you the wrong patch note instead of assuming all this is right...
And BTW you didn't say a single word regarding all the bugged instances ?
Please, don't act like you think that it's just something you didn't saw, everything is messed up and don't expect every summoner will accept that you suddenly decided in 3h maintenance that you will lower ammount of summons while it's not even the case in Korea.
That is not true, and please do not attempt to spread false rumors such as this. It was not decided by NCsoft West to implement any such changes. Currently we are discussing the matter with our superiors and we strive to understand what happened and why, and determine what steps follow. This is an upsetting experience for both players and staff, but please remain patient while we continue to look into this. We will post again once we have updates to share.
About Wynn : Those feature are not even announced in Korea, they are just in project for the futur wynn summon changes and actually discussed (it's only about the division of class and have been posted yesterday on official L2 Korea website). Do you seriously think that having 2 summons with 21k matk is the same than 3 summons with 16k matk ?
Please, don't act like you think that it's just something you didn't saw, everything is messed up and don't expect every summoner will accept that you suddenly decided in 3h maintenance that you will lower ammount of summons while it's not even the case in Korea.
It's true that it's not even lie at Korea? If it is, this must be a joke...
Well only reason to keep lvling the superior summon mastery skill would prolly be the "when you recieve damage, your servitors battle skills are increased" part..... and hope lvling it, will increase that buff :confused:
And wich are the new quests??? any info about it???
The patch notes posted above are all that we have at the moment but QA is rushing to test and learn more. Once we have a quest list I will update oyu.
Due to the unexpected changes to the summoner class, will NCsoft extend the courtesy of offering current Wynn Summoners the option to change to a different class?
I'm afraid not.
something about the instances of the bug?
This topic is going to be covered in the maintenance thread (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=245008) only, as it is not related to the unexpected patches.
The skill descriptions need to be changed, they still have the old ones. It is inexcusable that the skills work so differently from the in game descriptions.
As these changes were not expected some localization work is indeed now out of date. This matter is one of the things we are discussing so that it can be rectified.
That is not true, and please do not attempt to spread false rumors such as this. It was not decided by NCsoft West to implement any such changes. Currently we are discussing the matter with our superiors and we strive to understand what happened and why, and determine what steps follow. This is an upsetting experience for both players and staff, but please remain patient while we continue to look into this. We will post again once we have updates to share.
I trust you its not your decision. It was deicided in NC Korea to make lab rats from our servers Wynn summoners to test out their crap, which they make polls in korea and even dunno if it will be implemented yet.
So is that all we are for Korean's ncsoft leadership? Servers with "lab rats" to try untested stuff on?
There are high chances they got the patch note after the maintenance while asking an other department what are those unexpected changes
OMG Unexpected changes... ITS A GAME! WITH A PLANNED MAINTENANCE EVERY WEEK. How on earth are there unexpected changes. This is the 4th post i make. All the rest they deleted. Be ashamed of yourself Not Caring Soft.
OMG Unexpected changes... ITS A GAME! WITH A PLANNED MAINTENANCE EVERY WEEK. How on earth are there unexpected changes. This is the 4th post i make. All the rest they deleted. Be ashamed of yourself Not Caring Soft.
I advice you to read a bit more before ranting. NCWest doesn't create game changes, or patchs. They got it like an all wrapped package from the main office in Seoul. They apply it then. Sometime the Seoul office doesn't really bother with patch note until it's asked for. You can so imagine the consideration that Koreans may have for some American blatant people :P
I trust you its not your decision. It was deicided in NC Korea to make lab rats from our servers Wynn summoners to test out their crap, which they make polls in korea and even dunno if it will be implemented yet.
So is that all we are for Korean's ncsoft leadership? Servers with "lab rats" to try untested stuff on?
Imho i think we just got the wrong patch from Korea...
The worst part here Sace is that you answers us as if you don't know the content of the patch you received ? Is there nobody to test or translate patch before applying them in your lineage 2 team ?
Sace, this is a serious mess. Please study the Wynn Summoner section here: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=888
What we have now is exactly what Nam Gung-gon describes as PLAN for Chapter 3. You obviously got sent some experimental code. Simply do a rollback and return to yesterday's state of affairs.
That is not true, and please do not attempt to spread false rumors such as this. It was not decided by NCsoft West to implement any such changes. Currently we are discussing the matter with our superiors and we strive to understand what happened and why, and determine what steps follow. This is an upsetting experience for both players and staff, but please remain patient while we continue to look into this. We will post again once we have updates to share.
How can you even apply patch if you don't know what you're doing ? I can accept that you don't have many people working on Lineage 2, but when you say :
"not expected to go live on the servers at this time"
"This is the new patch note"
then "It was not decided by NCsoft West to implement any such changes."
How do you think we can feel ? As Aghamyr, I think that NCKR gave you a wrong patch note and the best you can do is rollback the server (since everybody loose his vitality today also in instances wich doesn't work) and then chek what happened.
Can I at least purchase the "Stone of UnScrewTheCustomer" so I can pay to switch classes?
I trust you its not your decision. It was deicided in NC Korea to make lab rats from our servers Wynn summoners to test out their crap, which they make polls in korea and even dunno if it will be implemented yet.
So is that all we are for Korean's ncsoft leadership? Servers with "lab rats" to try untested stuff on?
While I cannot speak for the Korean developers or leaders, nor for the main purpose of these changes here and how, I believe they did not intend for this to be a bad experience. Also, please understand that these changes would likely have been scheduled to arrive in the future, at which time we would expect to be notified and to be able to notify the players ahead of time.
So, these are two separate matters:
that the changes happened today with no warning. I am not sure what has caused this miscommunication, but that is what we will focus our investigation on, so that it can be rectified in the future.
the changes themselves, which is up to players to form an opinion about.
I advice you to read a bit more before ranting. NCWest doesn't create game changes, or patchs. They got it like an all wrapped package from the main office in Seoul. They apply it then. Sometime the Seoul office doesn't really bother with patch note until it's asked for. You can so imagine the consideration that Koreans may have for some American blatant people :P
U can try and make it look beautiful but its still ugly.
Would we be able to know the full details regarding the miscommunication which happened, so we can brace ourselves each wednesday and say, coming back from work or school, "Ok, this week I plan on a ninja patch for Othell Rogues with some changes regarding the yeti transformation which will got wings" ?
We are still discussing this matter and its effects, but as of this moment there are no plans to do a rollback. Please remain patient while the teams work on this, and hopefully we can have a more definitive statement to share with you.
@ Asmora .. yeah they love to delete my posts too, as soon as you say something they dun like they hit fast the delete key, but the bots in game are still un-deleted. I wish someone of the staff would insteed censuring the forum use the time to log in game and take care of the real problems :D
And again NC proof their lack of consumer service. How about a **** annoncement in game about all the bugged instances, to keep ppl from wasting their vit and time, eh? Ahh yes I see, consumer service ehhhhh, must be something very bad :D
While I cannot speak for the Korean developers or leaders, nor for the main purpose of these changes here and how, I believe they did not intend for this to be a bad experience.
How could it possibly be a good experience? :confused:
That is not true, and please do not attempt to spread false rumors such as this. It was not decided by NCsoft West to implement any such changes. Currently we are discussing the matter with our superiors and we strive to understand what happened and why, and determine what steps follow. This is an upsetting experience for both players and staff, but please remain patient while we continue to look into this. We will post again once we have updates to share.
So even for you it was a surprise patch?
Except for the Wynn Summoners the changes are good (especially the extra Oly day).
Where do we take the new RB quests?
Regarding the Wynns, I checked fast the stats of the "improved" summons and in no way they compensate for the loss of one servitor (as my Wynn is only 86 so I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing the loss is even worse for a 95+ Wynn). Their Mdef isn't so bad aymore but that's it.
Is there any plan to compensate (free class change) Wynns Main Class or Dual (or soo-to-be Wynns, like summoner Dual class) that want to change their class?
We are still discussing this matter and its effects, but as of this moment there are no plans to do a rollback. Please remain patient while the teams work on this, and hopefully we can have a more definitive statement to share with you.
Face it, this would be the quickest AND best way to get everyone happy (or at least not mad at NC).
Also i'm really not happy bout the olympiad time changes. And i'm not the only one. I guess people were not woting to have servers gmt+1 to have oly starting at 10pm ant later for them. And also realize Naia is a euro zone server even before this poll came out. Atm oly gonna start at the time it used to be dieing at in the past months, it was most occupied from 6pm to 8pm server time. and now its gonna start at 9pm ...
Also i also think there wasnt a single mention about this change in any of the furute updates that should chronologically follow after Tauti till far away.
Would we be able to know the full details regarding the miscommunication which happened, so we can brace ourselves each wednesday and say, coming back from work or school, "Ok, this week I plan on a ninja patch for Othell Rogues with some changes regarding the yeti transformation which will got wings" ?
I do not expect so, for many reasons, including that the communication process and status changes regularly, especially when we make improvements after something like this happens. We not have ninja patches all that often, and let it be clear that ninja patches are not game bugs. I would be curious to see a flying rogue yeti, however.
Yup, you may be right, sorry for quoting you back :D
(I was looking for a picture with the sentence "You were right" on Google Image, without Safesearch. I got surprised)
Is there any plan to compensate (free class change) Wynns Main Class or Dual (or soo-to-be Wynns, like summoner Dual class) that want to change their class?
That would be great. Plus some compensation for all the work ppl put in their summoners...
i bought stone of destiny for get a kamael wynn, got it 90, and now is pretty usless lol i feel glad is only an alt char, but still, **** me that i spent money for something that got nerfed. I wont image ppl playing wynn as main.
i bought stone of destiny for get a kamael wynn, got it 90, and now is pretty usless lol i feel glad is only an alt char, but still, **** me that i spent money for something that got nerfed. I wont image ppl playing wynn as main.
Ofc ppl will be playing wynns as main, is still good char, if u noticed the pets have increased stats.
My question is why yours no make one announcement on previous changes for server, or at the least one list update that you going do.. Ok we know about Wynn cos many ppl report it, but what about others chars? u make any change, BTW ill be good if u make one list about new quest...
So now Sace says it's a miscommunication, and they weren't expecting this either... However, there's no roll-back planned? How an Earth could something like this happen? All the wynns on Bartz are standing in Aden, wondering around like 'Hm, what to do now? Oh yeah, press delete character..." :mad:
While I cannot speak for the Korean developers or leaders, nor for the main purpose of these changes here and how, I believe they did not intend for this to be a bad experience. Also, please understand that these changes would likely have been scheduled to arrive in the future, at which time we would expect to be notified and to be able to notify the players ahead of time.
So, these are two separate matters:
that the changes happened today with no warning. I am not sure what has caused this miscommunication, but that is what we will focus our investigation on, so that it can be rectified in the future.
the changes themselves, which is up to players to form an opinion about.
Yes, we are getting the changes, more later then sooner. With the delay we get theese changes after koreans, what is more then half a year, people can prepare for this upcomming changes. Since we are not the ones allowed to discuss them during developement and force some changes as korean players can.
This "patch" doesnt give any sense, and you should just make a rollback before it causes more damage. And then try to find out what is going on with your korea's boss.
Again it is the time and money ppl put in this... and NCsoft just came and robbed them...
Because we are talking about real money here (not to mention the equipment ppl got for their toons for huge amounts of adenas) u got a Stone of Destiny or pretty much anything with ncoincs for your summoner toone that involves real money, real laws and real lawyers.
Ofc ppl will be playing wynns as main, is still good char, if u noticed the pets have increased stats.
Looking at my cougars' stats, they got nowhere near boosted to the point they would need to be to make up for 2 less dd's. I'll take 4 cougars with 10k patk and 500 crit rate over 2 cougars with 15k patk and 500 crit rate any day of the week.
Ofc ppl will be playing wynns as main, is still good char, if u noticed the pets have increased stats.
There is a huge difference (espacialy for wynn 95+) betwenn 2 "enhanced" summons and 4 normal summons, especially in pvp.
Before : you had 4 summons, one got killed => you still have 3/4 of your power
Now : you have 2 summons, one got killed => you have only 1/2 of your power, even if this half is greater than before it's still obviously less than 3 summons remaining... (As said on previous post 1 "new" summon = 15k patk => previous summon = 3*10k patk)
So in fact summoner got kinga nerfed by half when one summon die :)
Is there any chance or does ncwest have the authority to at least increase the 2 pets stats so they match the equivalent of what we use to have with 4 pets?
So you wont change the summoner s.hit when it's not even live in korea (that afaik they are now playing the next update with 3-4 servitors),?
I can't really see the point on screwing up a lot of people, making them mad and probably quit the game for an experiment of a update that significantly affects the game and it's not even planned for this chronicle...
How can you discuss about something wich is not even decided in Korea. You probably got a patch wich was done for the tests server, and not the real patch you should get.
Wynn summoner will perhaps be changed on chapter 3, they added a pool yesterday for seing if people aggree or not with those changes wich lead to the 34 class back.
You can see the translation here : http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=888
this is the part about the 2 summons :
3) Main points of the balance adjustment for the Wynn Summoner class
A. The maximum number of servitors which can be summoned, depending on level, will be reduced to 2.
B. Since the maximum number of summonable servitors will be reduced to 2, their stats will be increased by the same rate.
C. The debuffs of the Mark series will be adjusted upwards.
D. The range of usable weapons will be expanded; when a mage-type two-handed blunt resp. staff is equipped, P.Atk. will additionally increase.
This is the original post in Korea : http://lineage2.plaync.co.kr/board/forum/view?articleId=517459
you can see the pool in the end (and other things on the translated message).
Just make a rollback as everybody suggest you. For once, listen the players and don't take your decisions alone, or for sure, you will make your customers all unhappy.
So you wont change the summoner s.hit when it's not even live in korea (that afaik they are now playing the next update with 3-4 servitors),?
I can't really see the point on screwing up a lot of people, making them mad and probably quit the game for an experiment of a update that significantly affects the game and it's not even planned for this chronicle...
Just make a rollback as everybody suggest you. For once, listen the players and don't take your decisions alone, or for sure, you will make your customers all unhappy.
Again, this matter is still under discussion. Until decisions are made I cannot tell you if a rollback will happen or not. Once we have settled our plans we will inform you.
yeah i've checked, my reaper has 65k m.atack, im wynn 97, did few duels with good players 99, and had beaten them all
And what about Cougars?
The Adventurer Helper has 4 new quests, which I assume are the RB quests (only is in blue, the other three are red), but they don't have a name (just "[]") and the quest window is empty (absotuley no writings).
Is it sure this ninja update is working as intended?
Again, this matter is still under discussion. Until decisions are made I cannot tell you if a rollback will happen or not. Once we have settled our plans we will inform you.
That's why I tell you to take care about what the people want and not take this decision alone. Players are, I think, most important than a staff, those are the one wich have "fun" in the game and pay for it. If you don't want to loose your customers, listen their voice.
And I repeat, this part of the 2 summons is in discuss since yesterday in Korea. There is no point to already apply it here.
Stats on summons:
I am a wynn summoner 92 atm, and i think that char will just stay there forever....
Cougars: Before this update my cougars patak was 6.7k, now 7.9k
3x6.7=20.1 and 3 hits.
2x7.9=15.8 and 2 hits YES IT COMPENSATE THE LOSS WTF.....
And remember the number of hits per seconds that our summons do (the damage) is now 2/3 on lvl 90 , 1/2 on lvl 95 of what it was before this "beautifull" update.
NOW US WYNN WILL BE JUST A NICE MANA SHARE THING ON THE PARTY BECAUSE WE ARE A JOKE LIKE DD.... TNKS FOR DESTROYING A CLASS
hope that when the server doesnt have any active wynn playing you remember when this happened...
I don't mind re-balancing the characters, but you all have managed to really nerf an entire class.
I don't understand what you all are trying to achieve with this when everyone know nothing in Lineage 2 is linear. Removing 1/3 of my p.atk and m.atk is not re-balancing. You all never did this with the nerfs to Archers, daggers, or even nukers and they had time to know what you all were doing.
No, this is very disappointing to see and once again, instead of reducing the p.atk and m.atk of each summon, you kill the total number of summons.
Again, this matter is still under discussion. Until decisions are made I cannot tell you if a rollback will happen or not. Once we have settled our plans we will inform you.
Why FIRST OF ALL NC-West doesnt fix the mess they created by something that wasnt supposed to be implemented. Proven by Yualë. You can chit-chat till the end of your lifes after about what is goin on with this nonsense patch. ... And make your researches that take weeks like usually when any problem appears.
Well after having tried it out a bit, i really must admit i actually prefer the new system with fewer but stronger servitors...... a much stronger/sturdy servitor makes transfer pain a lot better too imho. ;) .... but everyone has their oppinion.
That's why I tell you to take care about what the people want and not take this decision alone. Players are, I think, most important than a staff, those are the one wich have "fun" in the game and pay for it. If you don't want to loose your customers, listen their voice.
And I repeat, this part of the 2 summons is in discuss since yesterday in Korea. There is no point to already apply it here.
As Community Manager, rest assured I am relating the player feedback to the rest of the team. I'm afraid that cannot guarantee what decision will be taken, but your voices are heard and considered and they are weighed alongside our estimations of feasibility on our end.
all instances are bugged! not even mobs at pod change... nice official........ not even privates have this problems... try a bit more u are close to make all players leave official once and for all
then where is the producer?
Not that we don't like you sace, but seriously, this is a big screw up. Would like to hear from them they talked to Korea and why they decided to give it so hard to the wynns. then we look at the next update, hell everyone gets something but the wynns.
all instances are bugged! not even mobs at pod change... nice official........ not even privates have this problems... try a bit more u are close to make all players leave official once and for all
The instances are not a part of the patch notes. Please keep discussion about the instances bugs in the maintenance thread (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=245008), so that this thread can be on the topic of the patch notes only.
IMHO this is patch is actually very balancing.Summoners were always there as a support+some damage to party, never a monster DD they have been turned into since GD.
Also I belive there will be emergency maint to fix what have got bugged and eventualy some compensation may come, but hardly a rollback.
They have been destroying wynn class since harmony update (Reuse times of marks) but this is TO MUCH.... and i dont care if my pet have 10k of mdef, if a feoh hit me the summon get all the damage by transfer without a care about summon mdef....
When the time come and nobody play wynn, maybe you will let us summon valakas to "balance" stuff...
The instances are not a part of the patch notes. Please keep discussion about the instances bugs in the maintenance thread (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=245008), so that this thread can be on the topic of the patch notes only.
But i bet the broken patch we were not supposed to get is reason for all this instance buggs that appeared! Something caused this during maintenance and the patch is the suspect #1. Just rollback the servers.
As Community Manager, rest assured I am relating the player feedback to the rest of the team. I'm afraid that cannot guarantee what decision will be taken, but your voices are heard and considered and they are weighed alongside our estimations of feasibility on our end.
I just expect your feedback will works better than for Bartz GMT wich ended to be GMT-5 instead of what players asked -_- .
And I'll repeat again we all gave you the proof that this patch note doesn't even exist on L2KR. They probably gave you the wrong patch note, you can investigate about everything, just don't forget that one complete class have just been messed up and that's a player matter and not only something about the staff.
3) Main points of the balance adjustment for the Wynn Summoner class
A. The maximum number of servitors which can be summoned, depending on level, will be reduced to 2.
B. Since the maximum number of summonable servitors will be reduced to 2, their stats will be increased by the same rate.
C. The debuffs of the Mark series will be adjusted upwards.
D. The range of usable weapons will be expanded; when a mage-type two-handed blunt resp. staff is equipped, P.Atk. will additionally increase.
Did u actually check the stats of the new pets? I heard some people saying 62k matk on reapers; 58k hp on bears ...
This game is getting ridiculous if this is indeed true.
It is true, we just checked, Wynn with 2 new reapers is actually stronger than same wynn with 4 old reapers.Not only the bears but all the summons got more HP.
Seriously u do this and u cannot fix the REAL problems? Like the fail attempt of "fixing spammers" in towns which caused real players getting chat banned cause of too fast typing. WTF? Istina command channel leader gets chatbanned because too high hit per second? Jeeeez as i am reading the forum im downloading WoW...
I never never all these years saw this coming but i have to admit my husband was right all along. L2 is a ****ty game...
Well this is just like a late April's 1st joke, seriously i don't like posting at all. But i feel that NC Soft has some major fault here, screwing a lot people over and given the Wynn class a BIG NERF which is not fair. like stated previously 1 pet died 50% less damage, DOTS damage is a joke and lands never really in PVP. enough rant about this just FIX it! Or make sure we get properly compensated for a change and possibly class change, since i'm tired of playing NERFED classes.
How about they fix the broken class all over and fix so when you soe/port/enter instances that the summons glitches, especially in OLY before you do a big change like this?!?
I probably don't need to tell you i am really PO:ed and disappointed about this!
We are in a different time zone than NCKorea. It's 1300 here and 0200 there, the NCKorea haven't even pressed the snooze button the first time yet, give them some time to wake up, drink some coffee and address the current situation.
IMHO this is patch is actually very balancing.Summoners were always there as a support+some damage to party, never a monster DD they have been turned into since GD.
Also I belive there will be emergency maint to fix what have got bugged and eventualy some compensation may come, but hardly a rollback.
Wynn's were not OP, tyrr and dagger can smash them in oly. In pvp they were average DD's. Nothing that would smash hard as archer or nuker.
Wynn experienced a nerf that wasnt needed at all imho.
Seriously u do this and u cannot fix the REAL problems? Like the fail attempt of "fixing spammers" in towns which caused real players getting chat banned cause of too fast typing. WTF? Istina command channel leader gets chatbanned because too high hit per second? Jeeeez as i am reading the forum im downloading WoW...
I never never all these years saw this coming but i have to admit my husband was right all along. L2 is a ****ty game...
I truly loved this game since i first played it in C2... but the game doesnt love me back :(
one more time ncsoft failed so good ... seriously what next ? sigel tanks lose UD ? ... i agree with Lucie wyn wasn't OP at all .. and now only some bs with wyn ,but instance are bugged .. just great .. good thing i never buy stuff from l2store cuz simple you guys doesnt deserve any one coins for it ..
Excuse me Staff from NCsoft, i paid for a change class ticket to change from tyrr warrior to summoner because i liked what you show at the first time, now you change it? I paid for something that you show if you change it, i consider it a scam.
Seriously u do this and u cannot fix the REAL problems? Like the fail attempt of "fixing spammers" in towns which caused real players getting chat banned cause of too fast typing. WTF? Istina command channel leader gets chatbanned because too high hit per second? Jeeeez as i am reading the forum im downloading WoW...
I never never all these years saw this coming but i have to admit my husband was right all along. L2 is a ****ty game...
It is not that L2 is a S**** game it is that when we get Ninja updates like this NC West get a lil screwed up .. and has to make the right adjustments.. And has for that othere game you spoke about .. That game is for a none thinking player that wants to run around and play with Kids.. that love lil cartoony games and not play a game that takes some thinking and plaining ahead for your next steps .. But you get what we have here today witch is way Screwed up and unexpected
It is not that L2 is a S**** game it is that when we get Ninja updates like this NC West get a lil screwed up .. and has to make the right adjustments.. And has for that othere game you spoke about .. That game is for a none thinking player that wants to run around and play with Kids.. that love lil cartoony games and not play a game that takes some thinking and plaining ahead for your next steps .. But you get what we have here today witch is way Screwed up and unexpected
Downloading Wow as well. WoW raids require much more brains than L2 raids imho.
As iLucie told you, everything is linked : The summons changed, every instances bugged and all. Please, considere the fact they gave you a patch wich was initially for test server, wich explain everything, even the part that the 2 summons things is not live in Korea.
It is not that L2 is a S**** game it is that when we get Ninja updates like this NC West get a lil screwed up .. and has to make the right adjustments.. And has for that othere game you spoke about .. That game is for a none thinking player that wants to run around and play with Kids.. that love lil cartoony games and not play a game that takes some thinking and plaining ahead for your next steps .. But you get what we have here today witch is way Screwed up and unexpected
well i don't know if only kids play that other game ,but now days lineage is really screwed up ..makes you think staff off this servers are who don't know what they doing ...
Excuse me Staff from NCsoft, i paid for a change class ticket to change from tyrr warrior to summoner because i liked what you show at the first time, now you change it? I paid for something that you show if you change it, i consider it a scam.
I will speak with a lawyer.
Thank for you'r atention
You really need to read the End User License Agreement before posting stuff like this.They have the right to change anything, anytime, without notice.
Also I hardly doubt you bought a class change ticket that was called "Wynn summoner class change ticket" - you could have changed to any other class, don't you?
so how does it work?
koreans send you an email with an "update.09.05.2012.rar" and you just click it without a clue about what the hell is that?
They could even be getting the updates remotely, this has nothing to do with how things are done in the patch tho.
I have playing Lineage II in Closed Beta till now so I have seen this stuff like this happen alot .. it is just part of the game any more.. I hate to say it but we just need to let the team at NC West do their jobsand fix this stuff. I have payed other games along the way but nothing can compare to Lineage II
Excuse me Staff from NCsoft, i paid for a change class ticket to change from tyrr warrior to summoner because i liked what you show at the first time, now you change it? I paid for something that you show if you change it, i consider it a scam.
TRUELY IF YOUR GOING TO MESS UP WYN;S THIS MUCH WITHOUT GETTING AN OK FROM KOREA, THEN I REALLY HOPE THAT U DO OFFER CLASS CHANGES FOR THE PEOPLE WHOM SPENT THE TIME TO LEVEL UP A WYN... U MAY AS WELL JUST DELETE THE CLASS NOW THAT THEY ARE COMPLETELY USELESS.
THANKS AGAIN NC WEST :)
AND ID EXPECT THIS CLASS CHANGE TO BE COMPLETELY FREE, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE AS PLAYERS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE stupid NERFS, THUS MAKING IT YOUR PROBLEM.
SO PLEASE GIVE ALL WYNS A CHOICE TO CHOICE TO CHANGE CLASS BUT REMAIN THE SAME LEVEL, OR PLEASS SEND ME LETS SAY 8$ AN HR FOR WHAT POSSIBLY 1000 HRS OF TIME WASTED LEVELING MY TOON.
Excuse me Staff from NCsoft, i paid for a change class ticket to change from tyrr warrior to summoner because i liked what you show at the first time, now you change it? I paid for something that you show if you change it, i consider it a scam.
Better fix tyrr warriors, they stun all the time, they have revival and hp healing totems, if they kill a summon of mine, i have to wait AGES FOR RESUMMON IT, when you use servitor share, it goes off and i have to resummon my pets for get the buff in them, that's a risk in instances pvp everywhere... tyrr is OP <_<
They have more def than a tank, they have a lot of hp, stuns, totems for hp, UD, they are just dd's not tanks.... tanks dont even have a stun.
i'd suggest to decrease the time in ressumoning a dead servitor, it's too long and now with 2 servitors will be harder to survive, my strongness, my celestials, my healing, all depends of my pets.
I was reading the forum and then I saw a poll: "what class do you play"?
The last place was "Wynn Summoner", and you have to consider that 90% of them play as bot and not with hands.
So there are only few summoners playing "There must be a reason" and you still nerf it?
You cannot see any Wynn saying: "Yes, that's a good change" or "It's a good idea, it will balance the classes". Oh c'mon, everybody, even who not play summoner, knows it was a bad choice. And all summoners I know are about to quit class or game and you don't care! That's ok, if all summoners quit we will still have 99% of players yet.
And I logged my 96 summoner and check the changes:
"Servitor P. Atk., P. Def., M. Atk., M. Def., and HP stats have been significantly increased."
cougars:
Before: 8,5k p.atk (4 pets)
Now: 12k p.atk (2 pets)
On kamael transform:
Before: 18,5k p.atk (4 pets)
Now: 21k p.atk (2 pets)
On kamael+BR:
Before: 42,5k p.atk (4 pets)
Now: 46k p.atk (2 pets)
p.s. That´s only the p.atk. Dont forget the critical rate still the same and atk spd too.
So before while ur pets did 10 hits, now they do 5 hits. Do you think that's a GREAT INCREASE of p.atk? Because I don´t.
Better fix tyrr warriors, they stun all the time, they have revival and hp healing totems, if they kill a summon of mine, i have to wait AGES FOR RESUMMON IT, when you use servitor share, it goes off and i have to resummon my pets for get the buff in them, that's a risk in instances pvp everywhere... tyrr is OP <_<
They have more def than a tank, they have a lot of hp, stuns, totems for hp, UD, they are just dd's not tanks.... tanks dont even have a stun.
i'd suggest to decrease the time in ressumoning a dead servitor, it's too long and now with 2 servitors will be harder to survive, my strongness, my celestials, my healing, all depends of my pets.
since when tanks dont have stunts ? :D if i remember right sigel has shield stunts :D
seems like i offend sace and staff ... instead of keep working they send private messages about warning :) yeah cool ..really cool
In Soviet NC Soft they do what they do! People don't need to bother with state and the great machinery does! Just listen and fallow our great leaders blindly! Dont Question or do anything opposing to us or we will send you to WoW!
Better fix tyrr warriors, they stun all the time, they have revival and hp healing totems, if they kill a summon of mine, i have to wait AGES FOR RESUMMON IT, when you use servitor share, it goes off and i have to resummon my pets for get the buff in them, that's a risk in instances pvp everywhere... tyrr is OP <_<
They have more def than a tank, they have a lot of hp, stuns, totems for hp, UD, they are just dd's not tanks.... tanks dont even have a stun.
i'd suggest to decrease the time in ressumoning a dead servitor, it's too long and now with 2 servitors will be harder to survive, my strongness, my celestials, my healing, all depends of my pets.
i hope my little cats work well now
Servitor share is useless on a servitor, that is working as intended. Don't resummon your pets because of servitor share because it will only waste a buff slot
In Soviet NC Soft they do what they do! People don't need to bother with state and the great machinery does! Just listen and fallow our great leaders blindly! Dont Question or do anything opposing to us or we will send you to WoW!
Now answer me one thing, how much life you have to the server?
1st - look how many party bot level 99 already have the server Shilen, something has already been done to investigate?
2 ° I hope ncsoft for free for any summoner server to change an item class level and not lose free (because I spent money on this char), and do not want to be with this crap. Server otherwise -1.
This is stupid, as a company if YOU made a mistake just admit you made a **** mistake and fix it!
Do not give us some ******** like "we will put it free 100% xp boost for an hour." Fix what was a mistake and live with your shame or lose customers and probably some angry people who have money will attempt to sue.
Now answer me one thing, how much life you have to the server?
1st - look how many party bot level 99 already have the server Shilen, something has already been done to investigate?
2 ° I hope ncsoft for free for any summoner server to change an item class level and not lose free (because I spent money on this char), and do not want to be with this crap. Server otherwise -1.
sorry English, used google Tranlate.
Original text:
agora me responde uma coisa, quanto tempo de vida você da para o servidor ?
1° - olhe quantas festa de bot level 99 ja tem no servidor shilen, algo ja foi feito para investigar ?
2° espero que a ncsoft de gratuitamente para todo summoner do servidor um item para mudança de classe e não perder level gratuitamente, (porque gastei dinheiro com esse char ), e nao quero ficar com essa porcaria. caso contrario Server -1.:mad::(
+++++++1 spent numerous dollars on my toon ALL FOR NOTHING
Sace, I hope you do realise people need an answer fast regarding to the bugs and the 'mistaken' summoner nerf, otherwise you'll find your servers completely empty within the next 2-3 hours...:eek:
Sace, I hope you do realise people need an answer fast regarding to the bugs and the 'mistaken' summoner nerf, otherwise you'll find your servers completely empty within the next 2-3 hours...:eek:
because summoners are the only classes that are played in this game.
Sace, I hope you do realise people need an answer fast regarding to the bugs and the 'mistaken' summoner nerf, otherwise you'll find your servers completely empty within the next 2-3 hours...:eek:
You really need to read the End User License Agreement before posting stuff like this.They have the right to change anything, anytime, without notice.
Also I hardly doubt you bought a class change ticket that was called "Wynn summoner class change ticket" - you could have changed to any other class, don't you?
Actually when you going to change class, Nc ask you what you will choose in the support ticket. And they didn't warned about the change
The NCSfot not care about their players, just see the responses of SACE.
Therefore I advise you to seek all legal rights and their lawyers to sue NCSOFT. Maybe even a big joint action with a large group of lawyers.
The NCSOFT needs to understand that there is not just kids playing Lineage2.
No player was happy.
do not treat us like children!
Nah they would just shut off the servers earlier that way. Dont u see they dont care about this game anymore? It is time to find another game til Lineage Eternal comes in 2014.
because summoners are the only classes that are played in this game.
There are quite a lot of summoners in lineage 2, I know some rerolled b/c they enjoy the PVE side rather than PvP side of this game.
For them to nerf summoners without telling anyone and then not change it back to how it should be is considered a scam. A company is responsible for everything they decide to charge for, if for some reason they change some detail of the game "by mistake" that the item that a person has purchased does not hold true to what the game was before the item was purchased without a post or announcement of the change then that person can take legal acts, even if it is for only $50.
Also please refund my $50 for the 200% xp rune that I was unable to use because of this horrible lag ( the grand idea of sharing servers with Guild Wars 2 was so smart! ). I swear I love ncsoft!
This is a huge deal and as a company they must do something about this or they'll have more issues to deal with.
There are quite a lot of summoners in lineage 2, I know some rerolled b/c they enjoy the PVE side rather than PvP side of this game.
For them to nerf summoners without telling anyone and then not change it back to how it should be is considered a scam. A company is responsible for everything they decide to charge for, if for some reason they change some detail of the game "by mistake" that the item that a person has purchased does not hold true to what the game was before the item was purchased without a post or announcement of the change then that person can take legal acts, even if it is for only $50.
Also please refund my $50 for the 200% xp rune that I was unable to use because of this horrible lag ( the grand idea of sharing servers with Guild Wars 2 was so smart! ). I swear I love ncsoft!
This is a huge deal and as a company they must do something about this or they'll have more issues to deal with.
Thats what i was talking about earlier. Its REAL money issue now. Not the ***ed up summoners. The items you bought with real money. Its exactly like when they cancel your flight. You either get your money back or they give u a new ticket for FREE.
Remember how we all complained about the removal of PTS because NCwest couldn't afford it anymore? Rejoice, for our voices have been heard:
now all NA servers will work as one Korean PTS to test the updates to come, years ahead! :D
Nah they would just shut off the servers earlier that way. Dont u see they dont care about this game anymore? It is time to find another game til Lineage Eternal comes in 2014.
Sorry but i wont play lineage eternal! thats nothing to do with l2!!! for a game like that i have diablo -.- i want l2 as it is.
Sorry but i wont play lineage eternal! thats nothing to do with l2!!! for a game like that i have diablo -.- i want l2 as it is.
Yes of course me too but this game isnt going to go on for ever. Look at whats happening on the servers. We are way passed over the beginning of the end.
Seriously people, stop bashing Sace: fixing the servers is NOT her role.
Other than that, it's NCKorea which dictates what patches we receive, and we had hidden changes even in the past, so what's the use of bashing people that don't have anything to do with the matter, other than the fact they're asking wtf is happening to Korea?
(old) 18:00 to 24:00 Friday, Saturday, and Sunday (server time)
(new) 21:00 to 24:00 Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday (server time)
Ceremony of Chaos
The run time for Ceremony of Chaos has changed as follows:
(old) 20:00 to 24:00 every day (server time)
(new) 19:00 to 23:00 every day (server time)
No matter if this patch is "fake" or "real", the aforementioned changes seem really odd.
We had 18 Olympiad hours per week, now what do we get? Only 12???
Also, the patch notes say Ceremony of Chaos gets moved 1 hour early and lasts 4 hours every day. But in our case it was 5 hours, not 4!~
why we voted for server time zone? ofc mostly for siege/olympiad times
but now you move it 3h later, how can it be?
for half ppl it is 1am and time to go sleep already, not to do oly
yes you put the player's to vote we voted!Keep in mind that 70% of the population of Magmeld server is European.When we voted for castle siege its should have remained at that time.Not freaking 5 hour's later.
You do know that for the most part of magmeld's population siege start's Mondey at 01:00 AM it ends at 03:00 AM?people need to go to work at 07:00!
Do you guys actually think before you make changes like that?
Why the hell did you put us to vote if you don't respect our decision's?
I'm w8-ing for on answer here so i don't open 234123234 thread's about it!
How much should i take really from NC Soft? Main is Wynn Summoner and Dual is Feoh Wizard...... THANKS FOR A AWSOME GAME EXPERIANCE NC SOFT! *hope they get i am ironic here*
ROLL BACK AND REDO AND AND WE WILL FORGIVE YOU HOPEFULLY!
when you use servitor share, it goes off and i have to resummon my pets for get the buff in them, that's a risk in instances pvp everywhere... tyrr is OP <_<
God, again with this crap?
Servitor share is ALWAYS on, i alrdy told you this 2 times before, are u F-ing blind or what?!
You're upset becoz tyrr is OP in ur eyes and becoz they changed summoner, well im faking upset they did this without warning anybody about it, which has nothing to do with other classes being OPed.
Stop cry becoz u feel weak, if you're weak is becoz you were ALWAYS WEAK when pvping, the problem here is changing a gameplay mechanic that has been meant to keep for at least 1 more year!
Some code with test parts was probably sent instead of the intended.
So why can't they just say "We're sorry guys, big mistake, emergency maintenance here and then, everything should go back to normal by xyz" ?:confused:
So why can't they just say "We're sorry guys, big mistake, emergency maintenance here and then, everything should go back to normal by xyz" ?:confused:
yeah right like they gonna say we are sorry we done big mistake .. not in a million years ...
So why can't they just say "We're sorry guys, big mistake, emergency maintenance here and then, everything should go back to normal by xyz" ?:confused:
Because of time difference with the Korean devs that have to get up, go to work, read their emails and start fixing things. Unless they have other priorities and fixing things for NC West will take some....
So why can't they just say "We're sorry guys, big mistake, emergency maintenance here and then, everything should go back to normal by xyz" ?:confused:
Its because it wasnt a mistake on their part, they always put up content from NCKR without checking it.
So why can't they just say "We're sorry guys, big mistake, emergency maintenance here and then, everything should go back to normal by xyz" ?:confused:
Because they're still inquiring with the devs.
Only would NCwest take a patch, never inquire about it and then slap it on the live servers.
At least we know now that NCKorea can also fail sometimes. Or maybe they've just hired some impatient practical joker who decided to have some fun by sending fake patches to the overseas branches, not waiting till April Fool's. :)
Its because it wasnt a mistake on their part, they always put up content from NCKR without checking it.
Lets suppose that they get 10k Lines of new/updated code you think that they are gonna read it line by line and try to figure out what is different?
All they can have is a test server where they do the update there first and then check that the system is working and proceed to update the main server.
Lets suppose that they get 10k Lines of new/updated code you think that they are gonna read it line by line and try to figure out what is different?
All they can have is a test server where they do the update there first and then check that the system is working and proceed to update the main server.
Its too bad they decided to never have a pts again then isnt it?
At least we know now that NCKorea can also fail sometimes. Or maybe they've just hired some impatient practical joker who decided to have some fun by sending fake patches to the overseas branches, not waiting till April Fool's. :)
On going idea that NCKR is thinking about changes to the game. resently posted this
3) Main points of the balance adjustment for the Wynn Summoner class
A. The maximum number of servitors which can be summoned, depending on level, will be reduced to 2.
B. Since the maximum number of summonable servitors will be reduced to 2, their stats will be increased by the same rate.
C. The debuffs of the Mark series will be adjusted upwards.
D. The range of usable weapons will be expanded; when a mage-type two-handed blunt resp. staff is equipped, P.Atk. will additionally increase.
think NCNA just became guinea pigs for this idea/class change.
Guys we can't be testing those things for NCKR... it's only a poll actually running to ask player if they would love those change as part of class spliting.. it's not even a real patchnote.
Its too bad they decided to never have a pts again then isnt it?
A pts would be useful but still I don't think that one accident is going to be a strong means to make some people decide a change to their cost policy.
Everything is counted in time/money
If having pts is estimated that cost an x amount money
and estimated loss from not having pts is less
then there is never gonna be any pts again
Guys we can't be testing those things for NCKR... it's only a poll actually running to ask player if they would love those change as part of class spliting.. it's not even a real patchnote.
Sace is there any point in playing the game if we do not have the info on what will be done to fix/make things better???? the reason i ask is that I do not want to go out and lvl my toon just to have it screw up with a Roll back or something like that...
This patch suck, what are u doing put in limit of 2 sumons on wynn? And in kartia 85 zellaka is bugged pls fix this 2 things, cuz now summoners are completely useless.
If u want nerf wynns nerf his base atk or share but no sumon points.
Sace is there any point in playing the game if we do not have the info on what will be done to fix/make things better???? the reason i ask is that I do not want to go out and lvl my toon just to have it screw up with a Roll back or something like that...
You are worried about your lvling? Other ppl got screwed up and they had thousands of hours of work in their toons so the least what worries me is todays lvling...
It may be tomorrow before much more info becomes available about why the patch was sent and what the purpose is. Go out for dinner and a drink and wake up in the morning to see what update there is on the forum :-)
Dinner is my treat tonight!!
Main course is Billy Goat Gruff!!!
You are worried about your lvling? Other ppl got screwed up and they had thousands of hours of work in their toons so the least what worries me is todays lvling...
Yeah i am I am also worried that the Wynn is not going to get fixed .. I have Played a Dagger class from Beta ... I do not think this is a big deal they will fix it .. (Daggers class have eat it lost before ) So I am not winy about that .. Just know that I have played 9 years (CLOSED BETA) and this has happened alot in the years that i have played they will fix it give them time
Update: we are looking into the possibility of doing a rollback to version the game was at before today's maintenance. However it takes some time to test it all and make sure it will not cause any major issues. We are currently testing and we will update you once we know what will happen next. If a rollback does happen there will be an emergency maintenance, likely today, and we will post an announcement for it once we have confirmation and times.
Lower time for resummon. Put transfer pain to second summon when first die. Decrease pvp dmg cap to 2/3 of current level. And every summoner will be happy with his toon......... or give them class change item ( because most of them invest alot of real money ). And stay cool because Sace cannot do anything right now. Wait for final answer.........
p.s. I have Wynn as main char
//edit: thx for news Sace..... hope that this will be end of this drama
Update: we are looking into the possibility of doing a rollback to version the game was at before today's maintenance. However it takes some time to test it all and make sure it will not cause any major issues. We are currently testing and we will update you once we know what will happen next. If a rollback does happen there will be an emergency maintenance, likely today, and we will post an announcement for it once we have confirmation and times.
Update: we are looking into the possibility of doing a rollback to version the game was at before today's maintenance. However it takes some time to test it all and make sure it will not cause any major issues. We are currently testing and we will update you once we know what will happen next. If a rollback does happen there will be an emergency maintenance, likely today, and we will post an announcement for it once we have confirmation and times.
This made me LOL, why start testing changes now ? how ironic after this screwup :D
A pts would be useful but still I don't think that one accident is going to be a strong means to make some people decide a change to their cost policy.
Everything is counted in time/money
If having pts is estimated that cost an x amount money
and estimated loss from not having pts is less
then there is never gonna be any pts again
Look, you can give them all the reasoning in the world to Not have a pts. But not verifying what your putting onto retail servers? No matter the means.They should have ways of checking what their putting onto the live servers before even doing so and cost shouldnt be a factor to this.
Summoner class broken down to how it's been and will be.
Oly Scenarios:
Old= Failed summons you cant unsummon resummon that happens often etc. = DEAD
New= Failed summons you cant unsummon resummon this happens often etc. = DEAD assuming we just got less cats and they didnt fix this.
OLD= Kill 1 summon we lost 1/3 of our damage, and summons are squishy. = Maybe dead
New= Kill 1 summon, and you kill the other one fast aswell = DEAD
PVP Scenarios:
Se Oly Senarios and skip part with Fail summons...
This is if you play legit not using 3rd party software that assists you, and basically make you a NPC.
The Marks and Bosts of the pets they called it to even it out is a JOKE!
Same goes for Feoh's why they get nerfed as well?
For christ sake i would like to have a good explanation and not some random half *** translation from some patch note copy pasted.
I am so sick of these failures of NC Soft not doing anything but advertising a lot of stuff about NCoins blahurgha.. Even buying them and getting them is one thing separately, don't work like it's supposed to unless you seam to be able to buy cards.
FIX - Spammers, Summoner class glitches where summons don't work or don't get out etc.. Your aware of this. Ban the **** Botters and Target Assisting Pot spam program users (Same program we all know what it's called).
I do love this game but it's getting harder and harder to like this. Maybe i should just give up and move to other pastures.
or give them class change item ( because most of them invest alot of real money ).
This isnt a good option, even if they give us a free change who want to loose a toon 95 to get 87 one? How about the time and effort (and money for most of them) you lost lvling? If they chosse that path they will have to give them 6 months of 200% exp rune. The rollback option is wise and clean.
Waiting for rb.
It would be smart if instead of just apply the patch from NCKR, do an extended maintenance 6hr instead of 4 and check if there were some ninja patch or just change their current policy, for example if the NCKR send a patch containing x, y and z and when they apply there's x, y and w, ask for a fix or perform a rollback before they reopen the servers.
However it takes some time to test it all and make sure it will not cause any major issues.If a rollback does happen there will be an emergency maintenance, likely today, and we will post an announcement for it once we have confirmation and times.
As if not being able to do instances, unexpectedly receiving radically altering changes to your class, or being kicked off the server for spamming important strategies in your command channel isn't a major issue? Don't get me wrong, I love updates; especially updates revolving around horrible bugs, ninja mistakes, and other general technical issues. But a little testing before applying the updates that cause these "major" issues saves a lot of community frustration. I realize it's not your place to do these tests, but whoever is in charge of that (if anyone) needs to be replaced with a smarter monkey. Because they are a pretty stupid monkey.
A pts would be useful but still I don't think that one accident is going to be a strong means to make some people decide a change to their cost policy.
Everything is counted in time/money
If having pts is estimated that cost an x amount money
and estimated loss from not having pts is less
then there is never gonna be any pts again
Less players = less money. Better test than having many people quitting the game because of some problems such as today.
The situation must be dire to call for a rollback.
It's obviously a patch note problem wich bug every instance (even the Kama, Laba and 3rd class one) and nerfed some class (not only wynn, Feoh have also less matk and casting speed, it's just more obvious for wynn since we can only summon 2 pets instead of 3 or 4). The best way to handle something wich had completly bug the game is to rollback then carrefully put the patch note wich was previously suppose to be done.
Update: we are looking into the possibility of doing a rollback to version the game was at before today's maintenance. However it takes some time to test it all and make sure it will not cause any major issues. We are currently testing and we will update you once we know what will happen next. If a rollback does happen there will be an emergency maintenance, likely today, and we will post an announcement for it once we have confirmation and times.
anyway ceremony of chaos didnt started in right time what you posted ...
As if not being able to do instances, unexpectedly receiving radically altering changes to your class, or being kicked off the server for spamming important strategies in your command channel isn't a major issue? Don't get me wrong, I love updates; especially updates revolving around horrible bugs, ninja mistakes, and other general technical issues. But a little testing before applying the updates that cause these "major" issues saves a lot of community frustration. I realize it's not your place to do these tests, but whoever is in charge of that (if anyone) needs to be replaced with a smarter monkey. Because they are a pretty stupid monkey.
Would a roll back involve character state also? In other words, will any xp gained, coc matches done, etc get rolled back also? Or just the game files?
As if not being able to do instances, unexpectedly receiving radically altering changes to your class, or being kicked off the server for spamming important strategies in your command channel isn't a major issue? Don't get me wrong, I love updates; especially updates revolving around horrible bugs, ninja mistakes, and other general technical issues. But a little testing before applying the updates that cause these "major" issues saves a lot of community frustration. I realize it's not your place to do these tests, but whoever is in charge of that (if anyone) needs to be replaced with a smarter monkey. Because they are a pretty stupid monkey.
I cannot share the extensive details of our testing methods and update procedure, but know that we do test an update before it goes live based on the patch notes provided. In this case the patch notes for some of the changes were not provided in time, and therefore we could not know what to test other than the changes we'd already known about (the changes listed in the original maintenance notice). It is not feasible however to test all aspects of the game every week. Even if we had run into some of these changes in testing, without the patch notes we would not be able to know if they were working correctly or not.
So, we report on this situation so that our contacts can learn what happened, and hopefully in the future this kind of mishap can be avoided. I realize to the player point of view a mistake is a mistake no matter the situation behind it. Internally however the testing process is actually quite smooth and efficient, and communications have been improving lately, despite that there is clearly still some work to do. :) Our goal is to offer a good experience for players, and we strive to keep players informed before changes come to the game. The changes themselves is a rather separate matter, and for that we collect feedback and make regular reports to the other teams.
Would a roll back involve character state also? In other words, will any xp gained, coc matches done, etc get rolled back also? Or just the game files?
I believe its a rollback rollback. So if theres going to be one its going to be just a simple rollback, back to the state the server was before the maintenance.
Would a roll back involve character state also? In other words, will any xp gained, coc matches done, etc get rolled back also? Or just the game files?
I don't think they will do a real rollback, they will just revert patch to go to the previous version of the game
Would a roll back involve character state also? In other words, will any xp gained, coc matches done, etc get rolled back also? Or just the game files?
I do not have details on exactly what will change and what won't yet, but we will include these in the maintenance post if we do a rollback.
Update: we are looking into the possibility of doing a rollback to version the game was at before today's maintenance. However it takes some time to test it all and make sure it will not cause any major issues. We are currently testing and we will update you once we know what will happen next. If a rollback does happen there will be an emergency maintenance, likely today, and we will post an announcement for it once we have confirmation and times.
Ty anyway, but you will disappoint many subclassed ppl that are working today to lvl up for sure :p
So, we report on this situation so that our contacts can learn what happened, and hopefully in the future this kind of mishap can be avoided. I realize to the player point of view a mistake is a mistake no matter the situation behind it.
Players just think that if you had tested the patch note before apply it on the server, you should have see (at less) that every instances bug. Unless your tests were only about launching the patch then try to launch the server to see if it goes on.
Let's expect that the tests will be done carrefully from now on and that NCKR will put some effort to give you a real patch note notice so you can share it with us.
I can't finish 4th class Wynn Summoner. Npc Hermuncus is DEAD. Check this too. Thank you
I think they are doing some testing at the moment to make sure there are "MAJOR" issues while they decide to make sure they won't cause "MAJOR" issues while you're experiencing that major issue. Please stay tuned for more updates.
Won't next week's patch just have the same update in it as well? I mean it's too bad for summoners, but I"m pretty happy about the rest of the changes.
If the patch gets rolled back, won't that stop the progression of all future patches?
I cannot share the extensive details of our testing methods and update procedure, but know that we do test an update before it goes live based on the patch notes provided. In this case the patch notes for some of the changes were not provided in time, and therefore we could not know what to test other than the changes we'd already known about (the changes listed in the original maintenance notice). It is not feasible however to test all aspects of the game every week. Even if we had run into some of these changes in testing, without the patch notes we would not be able to know if they were working correctly or not.
So, we report on this situation so that our contacts can learn what happened, and hopefully in the future this kind of mishap can be avoided. I realize to the player point of view a mistake is a mistake no matter the situation behind it. Internally however the testing process is actually quite smooth and efficient, and communications have been improving lately, despite that there is clearly still some work to do. :) Our goal is to offer a good experience for players, and we strive to keep players informed before changes come to the game. The changes themselves is a rather separate matter, and for that we collect feedback and make regular reports to the other teams.
So in other words, this bungle is alright? Because your method of testing isn't flawed?
That's purdy funny!
Won't next week's patch just have the same update in it as well? I mean it's too bad for summoners, but I"m pretty happy about the rest of the changes.
If the patch gets rolled back, won't that stop the progression of all future patches?
Why do they even keep changing the game? :confused:
I think they are doing some testing at the moment to make sure there are "MAJOR" issues while they decide to make sure they won't cause "MAJOR" issues while you're experiencing that major issue. Please stay tuned for more updates.
Won't next week's patch just have the same update in it as well? I mean it's too bad for summoners, but I"m pretty happy about the rest of the changes.
If the patch gets rolled back, won't that stop the progression of all future patches?
Nothing stops devs from sending emergency patches to fix the situation and then send the right patches every week.
Wow this is great; page after page of tears by the people who rely on Korea patch test dummies so they can keep playing the absolutly most overpowered classes and /reroll when the nerf hits korea, ready for the nerf in 12 months.
Play a toon because you like it, learn it and you will be good, dont play a toon because it's stupidly overpowered.
The wynn needed a nerf, the archer does too!
To be honest maybe 3 sumons instead of 2 and less of a boost would have went over with less shock.
Wow this is great; page after page of tears by the people who rely on Korea patch test dummies so they can keep playing the absolutly most overpowered classes and /reroll when the nerf hits korea, ready for the nerf in 12 months.
Play a toon because you like it, learn it and you will be good, dont play a toon because it's stupidly overpowered.
The wynn needed a nerf, the archer does too!
What u wrote is just stupid. Summoners are weak. There are alot of summoners who play excellent in PVP because they know how to play it well. I am sure i couldnt beat anybody, im not that good. Oh yeah im OP yeah i forgot about that LOL its not the class. Its the players. There are plenty of bad summoners too.
Tyr is an amazingly powerful class but it's underplayed and most people don't play it well. Problem with summoners is they're overpowered and ez to play.
What u wrote is just stupid. Summoners are weak. There are alot of summoners who play excellent in PVP because they know how to play it well. I am sure i couldnt beat anybody, im not that good. Oh yeah im OP yeah i forgot about that LOL its not the class. Its the players. There are plenty of bad summoners too.
What class wins ALL THE TIME in CoC? I never even saw 1 summoner winning it. Not once.
What u wrote is just stupid. Summoners are weak. There are alot of summoners who play excellent in PVP because they know how to play it well. I am sure i couldnt beat anybody, im not that good. Oh yeah im OP yeah i forgot about that LOL its not the class. Its the players. There are plenty of bad summoners too.
Because you (or someone else) doesn't know how to read korean patch notes and roll a class that gets boosted and exploit it's strong sides, doesn't mean a given class isn't OP you know?
Tyr is an amazingly powerful class but it's underplayed and most people don't play it well. Problem with summoners is they're overpowered and ez to play.
All i can tell u is with my ISS i did K85 Solo with no difficulty at all. With my summoner i never ever had a dull moment, i was fighting for my life depending on the stupid healer they give. Ressing my pets pressing buttons without stopping... now what is easy to play?
Wow this is great; page after page of tears by the people who rely on Korea patch test dummies so they can keep playing the absolutly most overpowered classes and /reroll when the nerf hits korea, ready for the nerf in 12 months.
Play a toon because you like it, learn it and you will be good, dont play a toon because it's stupidly overpowered.
The wynn needed a nerf, the archer does too!
To be honest maybe 3 sumons instead of 2 and less of a boost would have went over with less shock.
The 2 summons is actually in discuss in Korea and will go with a summon change with balanced stats while going back to the 34 classes awaken. And this update won't be before chapter 3. This is not a real patch, in Korea they still have 3 or 4 summons.
Before sharing your point of view, please take the time to correctly read everything.
The 2 summons is actually in discuss in Korea and will go with a summon change with balanced stats while going back to the 34 classes awaken. And this update won't be before chapter 3. This is not a real patch, in Korea they still have 3 or 4 summons.
Before sharing your point of view, please take the time to correctly read everything.
What to discuss, there is a live patch as you can see, its meant to happen.Now or later, same thing.
Update: we are looking into the possibility of doing a rollback to version the game was at before today's maintenance. However it takes some time to test it all and make sure it will not cause any major issues. We are currently testing and we will update you once we know what will happen next. If a rollback does happen there will be an emergency maintenance, likely today, and we will post an announcement for it once we have confirmation and times.