After we looked into the matter of the Wynn Summoner changes having been implemented in today's emergency maintenance (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=245406), it was learned that these changes were fundamentally linked to the raid boss buff, which caused login issues for many players since last week's maintenance. Therefore, in order to fix the raid boss buff and login issue, it was necessary for the Wynn Summoner changes to be implemented. We sincerely apologize for the confusion, short notice, and mixed signals about these changes in the past week. This strange experience has impacted NCsoft West staff as well and we are seizing this opportunity to revise our current methods in order to improve them and avoid situations like this in the future.
In regards to an explanation about the Wynn Summoner changes and why they are being implemented before Korea: the Wynn Summoner changes were made in order to further balance the classes. Also, fewer Servitors reduces the amount of lag that many servers (including those in other territories) have seen; it was deemed important that certain territories such as ours receive this change sooner rather than later. Korea plans to implemented them onto their servers in the near future.
Note that although the Wynn Summoner changes first arrived on our servers last week on September 5 along with other changes, it is only the Wynn Summoner changes that are being applied today (see update below). The other changes are separate and are still expected to be implemented in the near future.
*Update* Upon review and implementation, it was clarified that only the servitor reduction Wynn Summoner change was implemented. The stats boost to the servitors, and other Wynn Summoner changes will be applied next week on September 19, 2012.
The maximum number of servitors that a Wynn Summoner can summon by level has been changed as follows:
Character level 85: (before) 3 (now) 2
Character level 90: (before) 3 (now) 2
Character level 95: (before) 4 (now) 2
Character level 99: (before) 4 (now) 2
Points per servitor and available summon points are being adjusted to alter the maximum number of servitors.
Available summon points for levels 1 through 4 of Superior Summon Mastery have all been changed to 4.
2 points each are consumed for summoning the Cougar, Bear, and Soul Reaper.
Servitor P. Atk., P. Def., M. Atk., M. Def., and HP stats have been significantly increased
Question is : have the stats been significantly increased? my summon stats seem same as always :s
After we looked into the matter of the Wynn Summoner changes having been implemented in today's emergency maintenance (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=245406), it was learned that these changes were fundamentally linked to the raid boss buff, which caused login issues for many players since last week's maintenance. Therefore, in order to fix the raid boss buff and login issue, it was necessary for the Wynn Summoner changes to be implemented. We sincerely apologize for the confusion, short notice, and mixed signals about these changes in the past week. This strange experience has impacted NCsoft West staff as well and we are seizing this opportunity to revise our current methods in order to improve them and avoid situations like this in the future.
In regards to an explanation about the Wynn Summoner changes and why they are being implemented before Korea: the Wynn Summoner changes were made in order to further balance the classes. Also, fewer summoners reduces the amount of lag that many servers (including those in other territories) have seen; it was deemed important that certain territories such as ours receive this change sooner rather than later. Korea plans to implemented them onto their servers in the near future.
Note that although the Wynn Summoner changes first arrived on our servers last week on September 5 along with other changes, it is only the Wynn Summoner changes that are being applied today. The other changes are separate and are still expected to be implemented in the near future. A full list of all the changes can be found here (http://boards.lineage2.com/showpost.php?p=3261248&postcount=1).
Fewer bots would create fewer lag. This made me furious now... less summoners... nice going. U are again being very nice to your PAYING customers. Adn i am saying it here to. There is only 1 bear compared to last weeks nerf 2 bears. And the starts were not increased this time. So this is even worse than last week. The summons have the same stats, you did not increase them this time.
Also, fewer summoners reduces the amount of lag that many servers (including those in other territories) have seen; it was deemed important that certain territories such as ours receive this change sooner rather than later.
So u reduce the amount of the REAL players instead of the BOTs??? I dont see a point in this...
Also, fewer summoners reduces the amount of lag that many servers (including those in other territories) have seen; it was deemed important that certain territories such as ours receive this change sooner rather than later. Korea plans to implemented them onto their servers in the near future.
i sincerely hope you misstyped summons here instead of summoners, everything else would have no sense tbh
I can tell you for sure the stats have not been changed at all they are exactly the same except 2 pets are missing. I took the precaution of taking screenshots so I could compare when the nerf came and there is no extra mdef/pdef/patk/hp etc at this time. Once again the "fix" fixes nothing and breaks something else sigh...
If you want to put that patch one, you seriously need to check about the balance of the summons. Before lv 95, every summoners loose around 20% of their power.
You also have to think about the change of the gameplay. I don't know if you're playing Sace, but it's simple mathematics.
If you have 4 summons and loose 1 -> - 25% of power.
If you have 2 summons and loose 1 -> -50% of power.
Making the drops disapearing after some times (or drop directly on inventory for casual drops and on the floor for RB and all) will be a nice begining for lower the lag instead of nerfing a complete class.
Then, take care of the bots. There are plenty everywhere and don't tell me they don't make the server lag with their script and no pick up.
BTW, for debug a few people wich were bug 'cause of a buff you had to bug every summoners in every servers ? That's a really nice way to debug things. and I'm pretty sure you have less people bug with the RB buff than people bug with 2 useless summons.
This patch isnt the same as last wednesday, we got 2 summons with same stats and in the case of elfs we got 3k less m.atk than before. If you add'd this patch to be like last wednesday then increase the summons stats.
ps: if you wanna reduce lag , check all the bots running around your servers instead add'ing a patch that isnt even working as intended.
This is another NcSoft fail ninja patch....My summoner has only 2 pets and their stats are identical to the old ones.Also can confirm we can only summon 1 bear.
lol why should we get a update that is not even on l2 korea? lag issue? better host.. bot protection will fix the issue not an update that is not even on korean servers
Due to the various issues today I have been posting updates as soon as I can get them. Currently are we looking into the matter of the updates being somewhat different than what they were last week, and I'll post more once I'm given more information. For now I'll remove the link to the original patch notes thread.
Sace any news ? Are you investigating the summon stats problems ? The Elf m.atk reduction ? The bear costing 3 summon points instead of the 2 writing on the patch note ?
Yea, if these wynn summoner changes are indeed supposed to remain, then fix it so they actually HAVE the full implementation, especially the increased stats, which you forgot to implement this time.
"Servitor P. Atk., P. Def., M. Atk., M. Def., and HP stats have been significantly increased"
I hope when they fix the fix that they also balance the other parts of the summoner class that having only 2 pets really messes up. For instance more hp on pets doesnt help much when you heal for next to nothing, when pets die the time to resummon is way too long (with 4 pets atleast 3 were still alive when you have 2 and 1 dies your in bad bad shape). Also the whole pull of GOD for alot of people was having 3 pets out (bear/reaper/cougar) and now that is going to be gone all the advertising released for god will show a class that no longer can perform as advertised by the company. I wont get into pvp and how underpowered the summoners were pre-nerf let alone now because its very sad.
What is this raid boss buff anyways? Never heard of it? Its not just an excuse for them to make this happen right?
Asmora... stop it please u are starting to be annoying.... the buff what them are talking about is:
Raiding
The field raid system for levels 1 through 84 has been renovated.
The respawn time for field raid bosses has decreased by half, from an average of 36 hours (24 hours at random) to an average of 18 hours (12 hours at random).
The stats for the field raid bosses have been altered so that they can be defeated by one party of a matching level.
After slaying a raid boss, you now receive a buff that increases XP and SP gain by 10% for 1 hour.
When hunting a raid boss, you can still gain high XP and SP if you participate with high contribution as an individual or as a party member, even if you're not in the main party.
XP and SP rewards and buffs are received if you are within a 5-level range of the boss' level.
1. Summons number has been decreased to 2 at a time.
2. Summon's points were suppose to be 2 - bear, 2 - reaper, 2 - cougar, but in fact now they are 3 - bear, 2 - reaper, 2 - cougar.
So now if we summon a bear we can't have another summon with it.
3. The increased stats of the summons are missing.
Sace! Seriously??!! If it stays like this, you will have 7 classes, because Wynns with 2 summons are useless now... Also, in Korea there is a POLL about this and if they should implement it. Did you get approval from them, or just decided to leave it as it's only affecting 'a few' people?
I do understand that most people have more chars, but my wynn is my only one, and I think it's unfair to implement something which is in question in Korea still :mad:
I just don't get it really, just to avoid another emergency maintenance you rather leave everything as it is even if you know full well it will cause another forum spam session from angry wynns and probably losing some players??? :confused:
After we looked into the matter of the Wynn Summoner changes having been implemented in today's emergency maintenance (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=245406), it was learned that these changes were fundamentally linked to the raid boss buff, which caused login issues for many players since last week's maintenance. Therefore, in order to fix the raid boss buff and login issue, it was necessary for the Wynn Summoner changes to be implemented. We sincerely apologize for the confusion, short notice, and mixed signals about these changes in the past week. This strange experience has impacted NCsoft West staff as well and we are seizing this opportunity to revise our current methods in order to improve them and avoid situations like this in the future.
In regards to an explanation about the Wynn Summoner changes and why they are being implemented before Korea: the Wynn Summoner changes were made in order to further balance the classes. Also, fewer servitors reduces the amount of lag that many servers (including those in other territories) have seen; it was deemed important that certain territories such as ours receive this change sooner rather than later. Korea plans to implemented them onto their servers in the near future.
Note that although the Wynn Summoner changes first arrived on our servers last week on September 5 along with other changes, it is only the Wynn Summoner changes that are being applied today. The other changes are separate and are still expected to be implemented in the near future.
With these kind of tactics you will surelly reduce the number of summoners!
Sace! Seriously??!! If it stays like this, you will have 7 classes, because Wynns with 2 summons are useless now... Also, in Korea there is a POLL about this and if they should implement it. Did you get approval from them, or just decided to leave it as it's only affecting 'a few' people?
I do understand that most people have more chars, but my wynn is my only one, and I think it's unfair to implement something which is in question in Korea still :mad:
I just don't get it really, just to avoid another emergency maintenance you rather leave everything as it is even if you know full well it will cause another forum spam session from angry wynns and probably losing some players??? :confused:
You are confusing everything, this poll in Korea is regarding the class diversification. From what Sace said, the actual change of summoners on NCWest and Taiwan server are specialy made for us due to lags we are experiencing. (As if it will be the miracle change lowering lags)
You are just using excuses for lag etc. And how the hell is our summoning things linked to the RB buff?!? make sure you catch thous stupid 3rd party software users and spammers, also remove that daggers have clones! They cause lag! This is utter BULL**** Stop excusing and doing stuff i want to change my class to something else better make that happen then since there is no way i wanna play with 2 summons as it is. Fix the re summon TIME 0 if a pet dies and we can discus about having 2 summons. Since pets are easy to kill and you loose 50% of you damage and we are just nothing but meat shield and nothing else that has a crappy recharge and some useless dots that are easy to kill bots with. The pets should be increeased a whole lot more if we should have 2 only. I am so ****** at NC Soft that thers is no end to this, all you do is mess up adn then excuse with BS!
then mean that a sumoner lvl 85 and a lvl 99 will have the same amount of sumon which the grace of leveling a character like that? just make a donation and I say that fully lost my will to play this well :) equality only dagger, tyr, archer, Feoh can kill by the way ... want to take the sumons take .. pelomenos increase by 50% the status of sumons to compensate 2sumons lost a char lvl 94 loses 33% of his class a lvl 95 lost 50% of its power atk ... something that is being seen by the Korea aki you implement without knowing the opinions of players that the only people who liked it were not for Wynn plays ... back to log my char or after having increased 50% from the status or returned sumons :)
You are just using excuses for lag etc. And how the hell is our summoning things linked to the RB buff?!? make sure you catch thous stupid 3rd party software users and spammers, also remove that daggers have clones! They cause lag! This is utter BULL**** Stop excusing and doing stuff i want to change my class to something else better make that happen then since there is no way i wanna play with 2 summons as it is. Fix the re summon TIME 0 if a pet dies and we can discus about having 2 summons. Since pets are easy to kill and you loose 50% of you damage and we are just nothing but meat shield and nothing else that has a crappy recharge and some useless dots that are easy to kill bots with. The pets should be increeased a whole lot more if we should have 2 only. I am so ****** at NC Soft that thers is no end to this, all you do is mess up adn then excuse with BS!
actually u have a point, the resummon time should be shortened. the 30 seoncds of no pet when we only have 2 pets is kinda rediculous, maybe 10 seconds where u cant resummon makes sense.
pets should have double the stats they had before, double hp, double atk speed. that should make it fair. I mean lets be serious, they are not real players and boss jewerly does not help pets damage.
You are confusing everything, this poll in Korea is regarding the class diversification. From what Sace said, the actual change of summoners on NCWest and Taiwan server are specialy made for us due to lags we are experiencing. (As if it will be the miracle change lowering lags)
I still dont get this? How come they see this will reduce lag? How? Removing real players? Because eventually this (low) level of professionalism will make ppl quit. Real ppl. WHo pay money for Ncoins. The bots wont leave i tell u. All u will end up with is bot summoners staying and real summoners leaving.
Yay for the "raid boss buff" (wth is it btw?), it better be worth the changes it brought upon us!
lmao
In regards to an explanation about the Wynn Summoner changes and why they are being implemented before Korea: the Wynn Summoner changes were made in order to further balance the classes.
That's cool. If we're already ahead of Korea, why can't we proceed "to further balance the classes" on our own discretion? I, personally, find the dagger class pretty annoying; how about removing it completely? It will surely help decrease the number of botted daggers (as well as legit daggers, who cares anyway) out there: less daggers less lag!
Oh it's ok that they've already played through a couple of extra chronicles/updates there in Korea while we haven't received them yet, but we must now enjoy being ahead of them and play something different that they don't have (and probably not going to get). Let's call it "The Last Days: Truly Chaotic" update.
Even if they truly double the stats it will still be less overall damage on pets why? because crit rate caps at 500 etc so your pets could cap out and be limited by the simple game mechanics. Honestly whoever thought of this is just tryin to hold things together with spit and tape at this point and just shows the lack of actual care and respect for the customer.
I still dont get this? How come they see this will reduce lag? How? Removing real players? Because eventually this (low) level of professionalism will make ppl quit. Real ppl. WHo pay money for Ncoins. The bots wont leave i tell u. All u will end up with is bot summoners staying and real summoners leaving.
bots wynns are not main chars, who bot those wynns have a main char, prolly lvl 99 full equiped bla bla, and ofc buy ncoins. wynns bots are only money maker. so yeah they wont leave even if u ban them, cos as u see outside any towns there a like 20 summoners 24/7. you ban, they make an other, they have nothing to lose cos they dont exp manually, they can go out with friends while their program lvl their chars, they only delay their money profit of 2 days, sad but true.
actually u have a point, the resummon time should be shortened. the 30 seoncds of no pet when we only have 2 pets is kinda rediculous, maybe 10 seconds where u cant resummon makes sense.
pets should have double the stats they had before, double hp, double atk speed. that should make it fair. I mean lets be serious, they are not real players and boss jewerly does not help pets damage.
The ppl who made this genious update did they ever play a summoner? Do they know that when there is no summon alive we can be pretty much 1 shotted by anyone?
You cannot change the summoners by reduce their summons without rebalancing correctly this class.
- Changing stats EVEN BEFORE LV 95 by really augment them. Trust me, +100 mdef on cougars (for exemple) doesn't balance the -1 summon.
- Reducing the time before resummoning when one summon is dead (this is a really important part). When 1 summon die, it's not the same when you have 3 hitting or 1.
If you have 4 summons and loose 1 -> - 25% of power.
If you have 2 summons and loose 1 -> -50% of power.
Not only that, in PVP if you still need 30 seconds to be able to resummon a pet, you'll just be piece of sh*t to kill.
- Not nerfing again the light elfs stats (that seems logical, but it seems that we need to say it).
You cannot just apply a patch wich nerf a complete class without making huge changes of this class. It's not only a stat problem before lv 95, it's also a point about the lack of power when you loose 1 summon and you're not able to resummon one faster.
You cannot change the summoners by reduce their summons without rebalancing correctly this class.
- Changing stats EVEN BEFORE LV 95 by really augment them. Trust me, +100 mdef on cougars (for exemple) doesn't balance the -1 summon.
- Reducing the time before resummoning when one summon is dead (this is a really important part). When 1 summon die, it's not the same when you have 3 hitting or 1.
Not only that, in PVP if you still need 30 seconds to be able to resummon a pet, you'll just be piece of sh*t to kill.
- Not nerfing again the light elfs stats (that seems logical, but it seems that we need to say it).
You cannot just apply a patch wich nerf a complete class without making huge changes of this class. It's not only a stat problem before lv 95, it's also a point about the lack of power when you loose 1 summon and you're not able to resummon one faster.
that is your first mistake, rofl
but ya lower resummoning pet time is a must , 10 seconds is fair.
sace can you ask them to just give us the update from last week? fix the buff from raids,a nd we are good to go, this half *** updating is causing too many problems.
pets not having the stats they supposed too
only can summon 1 bear
*please reduce the resummon time from a dead pet since half the pets , the time should be half for resummoning.
You are confusing everything, this poll in Korea is regarding the class diversification. From what Sace said, the actual change of summoners on NCWest and Taiwan server are specialy made for us due to lags we are experiencing. (As if it will be the miracle change lowering lags)
Yeah, and afaik they specified the wynns' example of having 2 servitors instead of 3, but no patches have been announced for the future for that change.
but ya lower resummoning pet time is a must , 10 seconds is fair.
Do you seriously think that once the main summon is dead, your opponen will care about having 1 summon hitting him instead of 3 ?
BTW, I just said that in any situation, they HAVE to reduce the resummoning time to balance it. Not anything else.
I also forgot another important part :
- If you put more HP to summons, you also have to rebalance the heal. It's already almost useless (after some test I needed around 10 heal to full heal 1 summon, so 30 heals for the 3), but if you don't give it more power, it will end to be even more useless.
Do you seriously think that once the main summon is dead, your opponon will care about having 1 summon hitting him instead of 3 ?
BTW, I just said that in any situation, they HAVE to reduce the resummoning time to balance it. Not anything else.
I also forgot another important part :
- If you put more HP to summons, you also have to rebalance the heal. It's already almost useless (after some test I needed around 10 heal to full heal 1 summon, so 30 heals for the 3), but if you don't give it more power, it will end to be even more useless.
ya thats true, need to increase the power of summoner heal to even touch the hp of pet, and now balance is broken for summoners, this sucks :(
what they need to do is not have a pvp reduction in pets damage, this is an issue, i mean hitting a player for 500 damage or 1.5k on a crit , how does that compare to a dagger stabbing for 10k ? lol just need to increase pvp damage on pets to help that nerf of only 2 pets as well.
ALSO what if my pets are OE? will i loose my OE on my pets? how will the OE of pets make them better, cuz i can tell u that +10 on a pet will give u 1k ( L O L ) more p atk on cougars
what they need to do is not have a pvp reduction in pets damage, this is an issue, i mean hitting a player for 500 damage or 1.5k on a crit , how does that compare to a dagger stabbing for 10k ? lol just need to increase pvp damage on pets to help that nerf of only 2 pets as well.
ALSO what if my pets are OE? will i loose my OE on my pets? how will the OE of pets make them better, cuz i can tell u that +10 on a pet will give u 1k ( L O L ) more p atk on cougars
At this point and in general i really dont care about pvp cuz im not 95 yet and i would like to get there and eventually to 99 but they are making it real hard with this.
Give us at least the ability to awaken to some other class without losing our levels. For god's shake you people. I am 97 level i hit worst than 85 not to mention that i can't get a group for daily things!
And yeah you will give us again full vit and we will be okay...NOT!
Regardless of the rage and banter coming from everyone, they're right Laby. they have every right to be upset.
NCwest has blantantly destroyed all the time and money they've put into this game by A: making them unneccesary in all forms of pvp and B: making them unneccesary in all forms of pve.
At this point, any party would need brain analysis for picking up a summoner over any class. Even at this point it's better to have 2 tanks in a party to pve than to take a summoner.
And the reason for such a change is just hilarious considering how they're not even remotely related nor does anyone really care about the "raid boss buff."
Me personally, I knew this game's days were limited by the many reasons (memory leak, poor customer service, years long bugs, broken features, etc.) but actions like these are only adding fuel to the fire.
Don't get me wrong, this game is both fun and beautiful but just wow. The development actions have only gradually worsened in the past 8 years.
u know what just give us one pet again, it can have 150k hp, 100k p atk, 1500 atk speed, 300 run speed, 25k p def, 25k m def, and we can call it even. oh and have our TP at 90% , this works for me.
And how about the "We listen to our players?" statement You Sace made last week? Why can't you do that again and try to solve the problem instead of forgetting about it like it's natural that without any previous warning you jsut take away a servitor? It is another mistake, and You people are responsible for fixing it, but this thread and saying we should be happy to get a patch years ahead of Korea is just a joke.
sace can you ask them to just give us the update from last week? fix the buff from raids,a nd we are good to go, this half *** updating is causing too many problems.
pets not having the stats they supposed too
only can summon 1 bear
*please reduce the resummon time from a dead pet since half the pets , the time should be half for resummoning.
You expect to get anything or them to listen to your requests? For all the time you paid for your subscription and Ncoins you bought and spent? Seriously NC Soft West cant do anything right. Accept make sure payments are received!
Her is my list of things to fix it if they would ever listen..
1. Make summons more stronger and also have the Boss Jelwery stats added to them that we wear, so we have a sporty chance in PvP and in PvE.
2. Reduce the re summoning time.
3. Also nerf archers and daggers for clones and stuff pets. (To reduce lagg)
4. Free class change for Wynn to whatever you want and give you same XP and SP you earned through out the journey.
You expect to get anything or them to listen to your requests? For all the time you paid for your subscription and Ncoins you bought and spent? Seriously NC Soft West cant do anything right. Accept make sure payments are received!
Her is my list of things to fix it if they would ever listen..
1. Make summons more stronger and also have the Boss Jelwery stats added to them that we wear, so we have a sporty chance in PvP and in PvE.
2. Reduce the re summoning time.
3. Also nerf archers and daggers for clones and stuff pets. (To reduce lagg)
4. Free class change for Wynn to whatever you want and give you same XP and SP you earned through out the journey.
Last week with 2 summons cougars had more p.atk, their p.atk is low for be just 2 pets, the re-summoning delay is too high, in a pvp if my 2 pets die (in a pvp with no healer ect,,) i'd get killed in seconds with that re-summoning time for gods sake. put it lower is too much for survive while i can summon, i could kill 3 or 4 ppl now if they kill my cougars (because im summoner i can't stand in front and wait for hits obv.) the expectatives of surviving are low, since i can't use my celestial or my tp :/:mad:
ah and they had more hp in the last nerf, oh sorry i mean maintenance.
ok, only thing im gonna ask is this: do we have any news why at least we dont have boost of stats? is ok also an answer like 'we are checking', just a sign of life >.<
Due to the various issues today I have been posting updates as soon as I can get them. Currently are we looking into the matter of the updates being somewhat different than what they were last week, and I'll post more once I'm given more information. For now I'll remove the link to the original patch notes thread.
Regardless of the rage and banter coming from everyone, they're right Laby. they have every right to be upset.
Everyone has the right to be upset and to think what he wants. Be everyone's rights stop where the other's rights begin. It's not be being upset and shouting everything out loud that things would get better. I don't have to tell you something like "Try it in the real life", we all know it won't work.
NCwest has blantantly destroyed all the time and money they've put into this game by A: making them unneccesary in all forms of pvp and B: making them unneccesary in all forms of pve.
It's your opinion, and I am quite interested about it. How do you think summoners are unnecessary during PvP and PvE ? Compared to before ? As far as I know, from facts, we were from 3 summons to 2. Stats will be increased, whatever some random guys may shout about it. If we got the summoner patch, we will get the stat boost aswell. It didn't get along right with today's maintenances, but we will get it. My opinion regarding your statement is that saying such an absolute sentence few hours after the update .
At this point, any party would need brain analysis for picking up a summoner over any class. Even at this point it's better to have 2 tanks in a party to pve than to take a summoner.
I heartly disagree on this point as well, but hell opinions ... My DPS is still really high, even with two cougars. From what I played myself this evening, my dps Higher than an Iss. Higher than a tank. Higher than a Othell. And a bit higher than an archer. I don't have a Tyrr and a Feoh, so I can't try them. And yup it's with only two summons.
And the reason for such a change is just hilarious considering how they're not even remotely related nor does anyone really care about the "raid boss buff."
You just spit on the faces of all the players which was not being able to play for a full week. I don't personally think that anyone is better than anyone, I just think that something which is good for X people and which is bad for Y people is a good thing as long as X > Y. It was the case here. You are able to play, even if it's with two summons. People didn't have this chance last week. You may think it's pointless to play with only two summons instead of three, it's your choice.
Me personally, I knew this game's days were limited by the many reasons (memory leak, poor customer service, years long bugs, broken features, etc.) but actions like these are only adding fuel to the fire.
I don't really have the issues you are listed. My client's RAM never went over 800Mb. I have good relation with the customer service, with helpful answers and when they don't know, answers stating they will search about it. About broken features, each chronicle, each throne got one. Just try to deal with it rather than complain about it.
Don't get me wrong, this game is both fun and beautiful but just wow. The development actions have only gradually worsened in the past 8 years.
I would agree that some things are not the clevest ones. Like shouting everywhere loud
ok, only thing im gonna ask is this: do we have any news why at least we dont have boost of stats? is ok also an answer like 'we are checking', just a sign of life >.<
Exactly. It seems like they couldn't come up with a solution, so they were like "Ah, **** this, let's just go home" and gave us this non-sense about a future update. Outraging, annoying, irrespectfull. Not accepting it whatsoever, for me the game stops until it gets fixed in any way. But tbh it would be soooo much easier to just give us our servitor back then implement the stat boost, summon points, etc...
You expect to get anything or them to listen to your requests? For all the time you paid for your subscription and Ncoins you bought and spent? Seriously NC Soft West cant do anything right. Accept make sure payments are received!
Her is my list of things to fix it if they would ever listen..
1. Make summons more stronger and also have the Boss Jelwery stats added to them that we wear, so we have a sporty chance in PvP and in PvE.
2. Reduce the re summoning time.
3. Also nerf archers and daggers for clones and stuff pets. (To reduce lagg)
4. Free class change for Wynn to whatever you want and give you same XP and SP you earned through out the journey.
+1 to that, double the summons stats doesnt make it even when 1 summon dies (and thats propably the tp summon), it seems that u havent thought of it more than 5 minutes before u apply it...
Honestly, if they wanted to reduce server lag they could start by removing the excessive fog from the Dark Castles, and the kartia Instances, and Prison of Darkness, and Harnak, and SOA, and Guillotine Fortress and etc.
Then they could at least have kartia managers in every town to reduce the amount of people crowded in Aden. Even better yet they could have the kartia manager in random locations out in the fields so there will be actual pvp instead of full clans doing a few instances then staying logged in AFK for mentees.
Speaking of the mentor system, they could have it so that the mentor doesn't need to be logged in for the bonuses to take effect. That would both solve lag and griefing issues!
Going back to the problem of instances, they could also make both soloa nd group EXP zones better so people have an incentive to party together in this MMO instead of all hugging each other in town all day every day doing the same few instances each day. It's already sickening to see clans warred with each other partying for 30 minutes to do an instance instead of going outside of town and killing each other.
The point is... there's loads of alternatives for game problems than continously screwing over and angering the ever dwindling player base left for this game. If not even that, at the very least actually test and think about the decisions that are recklessly made every maintanence and think about the consequences that will arise. For example, completely killing a class that's already been semi-dead for 7 years out of no where would probably not cause anyone to join hands and dance in glee.
Lastly...for the record there is still lag in these servers.
And how about the "We listen to our players?" statement You Sace made last week? Why can't you do that again and try to solve the problem instead of forgetting about it like it's natural that without any previous warning you jsut take away a servitor? It is another mistake, and You people are responsible for fixing it, but this thread and saying we should be happy to get a patch years ahead of Korea is just a joke.
And what do you think Sace is doing right now ? Having a good café break eating cookies, while pinpointing the best posts on her computer's desktop to have a good laugh ?
Things didn't go well, and NCWest is trying to fix them. Most of you doesn't seems to realize that they are not deciding about what they are adding as patches and the fact that Koreans are sleeping
Exactly. It seems like they couldn't come up with a solution, so they were like "Ah, **** this, let's just go home" and gave us this non-sense about a future update. Outraging, annoying, irrespectfull. Not accepting it whatsoever, for me the game stops until it gets fixed in any way. But tbh it would be soooo much easier to just give us our servitor back then implement the stat boost, summon points, etc...
Sace did exactly that in her first post if you wanna read
You just spit on the faces of all the players which was not being able to play for a full week. I don't personally think that anyone is better than anyone, I just think that something which is good for X people and which is bad for Y people is a good thing as long as X > Y. It was the case here. You are able to play, even if it's with two summons. People didn't have this chance last week. You may think it's pointless to play with only two summons instead of three, it's your choice.
Who are these ppl anyways? Never heard of them. Was this a real issue or just a made up one? NC didnt do a thing for them for 1 whole week??? And u defend them?
And i cehcked it also and i barely have the dps of my ISS...
This is such a joke, you nerf the pets down to 2 and dont increase stats enough to compensate, my constant party who is based around a summoner is completely nerfed and get trash exp now. It isn't even worth it for us to play this game anymore its so bad.
and then:
when the server will drop the bugs to be fixed?
will take much yet? there are people wasting time rune and playing time.
because the way it is is not possible to play.
Or we will lose again Wednesday without full power play?
Honestly, if they wanted to reduce server lag they could start by removing the excessive fog from the Dark Castles, and the kartia Instances, and Prison of Darkness, and Harnak, and SOA, and Guillotine Fortress and etc.
Then they could at least have kartia managers in every town to reduce the amount of people crowded in Aden. Even better yet they could have the kartia manager in random locations out in the fields so there will be actual pvp instead of full clans doing a few instances then staying logged in AFK for mentees.
Speaking of the mentor system, they could have it so that the mentor doesn't need to be logged in for the bonuses to take effect. That would both solve lag and griefing issues!
Going back to the problem of instances, they could also make both soloa nd group EXP zones better so people have an incentive to party together in this MMO instead of all hugging each other in town all day every day doing the same few instances each day. It's already sickening to see clans warred with each other partying for 30 minutes to do an instance instead of going outside of town and killing each other.
The point is... there's loads of alternatives for game problems than continously screwing over and angering the ever dwindling player base left for this game. If not even that, at the very least actually test and think about the decisions that are recklessly made every maintanence and think about the consequences that will arise. For example, completely killing a class that's already been semi-dead for 7 years out of no where would probably not cause anyone to join hands and dance in glee.
Lastly...for the record there is still lag in these servers.
for kartia would be a nice solution divide npcs in 3 towns. for example: k85 with npc in giran (idk in other servers, but in magmeld is empty), k90 in idk heine, k95 in a 3rd town.
but this is OT right now >.<
Honestly, if they wanted to reduce server lag they could start by removing the excessive fog from the Dark Castles, and the kartia Instances, and Prison of Darkness, and Harnak, and SOA, and Guillotine Fortress and etc.
Those are client lags, not server lags
Then they could at least have kartia managers in every town to reduce the amount of people crowded in Aden. Even better yet they could have the kartia manager in random locations out in the fields so there will be actual pvp instead of full clans doing a few instances then staying logged in AFK for mentees.
If you belive it's a worthwile suggestion, I invite you to post it or thumbs it in the Game suggestion forum. That's where suggestions are taken and sent to the development team.
Speaking of the mentor system, they could have it so that the mentor doesn't need to be logged in for the bonuses to take effect. That would both solve lag and griefing issues!
And completely destroy the game balance
The point is... there's loads of alternatives for game problems than continously screwing over and angering the ever dwindling player base left for this game.
Fixed: You have ideas about alternatives. That's not because you are thinking about it that they are the best one, or even good.
If not even that, at the very least actually test and think about the decisions that are recklessly made every maintanence and think about the consequences that will arise. For example, completely killing a class that's already been semi-dead for 7 years out of no where would probably not cause anyone to join hands and dance in glee.
If you are talking about summoners, I never considered them as a dead class. A hard one surely, but always a fun class to play in PvP/E
Honestly, if they wanted to reduce server lag they could start by removing the excessive fog from the Dark Castles, and the kartia Instances, and Prison of Darkness, and Harnak, and SOA, and Guillotine Fortress and etc.
Then they could at least have kartia managers in every town to reduce the amount of people crowded in Aden. Even better yet they could have the kartia manager in random locations out in the fields so there will be actual pvp instead of full clans doing a few instances then staying logged in AFK for mentees.
Speaking of the mentor system, they could have it so that the mentor doesn't need to be logged in for the bonuses to take effect. That would both solve lag and griefing issues!
Going back to the problem of instances, they could also make both soloa nd group EXP zones better so people have an incentive to party together in this MMO instead of all hugging each other in town all day every day doing the same few instances each day. It's already sickening to see clans warred with each other partying for 30 minutes to do an instance instead of going outside of town and killing each other.
The point is... there's loads of alternatives for game problems than continously screwing over and angering the ever dwindling player base left for this game. If not even that, at the very least actually test and think about the decisions that are recklessly made every maintanence and think about the consequences that will arise. For example, completely killing a class that's already been semi-dead for 7 years out of no where would probably not cause anyone to join hands and dance in glee.
Lastly...for the record there is still lag in these servers.
And what do you think Sace is doing right now ? Having a good café break eating cookies, while pinpointing the best posts on her computer's desktop to have a good laugh ?
It seems that way when we don't get answers you know :rolleyes:
Honestly, if they wanted to reduce server lag they could start by removing the excessive fog from the Dark Castles, and the kartia Instances, and Prison of Darkness, and Harnak, and SOA, and Guillotine Fortress and etc.
Then they could at least have kartia managers in every town to reduce the amount of people crowded in Aden. Even better yet they could have the kartia manager in random locations out in the fields so there will be actual pvp instead of full clans doing a few instances then staying logged in AFK for mentees.
Speaking of the mentor system, they could have it so that the mentor doesn't need to be logged in for the bonuses to take effect. That would both solve lag and griefing issues!
Going back to the problem of instances, they could also make both soloa nd group EXP zones better so people have an incentive to party together in this MMO instead of all hugging each other in town all day every day doing the same few instances each day. It's already sickening to see clans warred with each other partying for 30 minutes to do an instance instead of going outside of town and killing each other.
The point is... there's loads of alternatives for game problems than continously screwing over and angering the ever dwindling player base left for this game. If not even that, at the very least actually test and think about the decisions that are recklessly made every maintanence and think about the consequences that will arise. For example, completely killing a class that's already been semi-dead for 7 years out of no where would probably not cause anyone to join hands and dance in glee.
Lastly...for the record there is still lag in these servers.
Who are these ppl anyways? Never heard of them. Was this a real issue or just a made up one? NC didnt do a thing for them for 1 whole week??? And u defend them?
You may want to take some time and read different thread in the general discussions. Or to put it bluntly, get off your high horse and start thinking about others beside yourself. That's not because you are not affected by a problem that this problem doesn't exist, or is not important
And i cehcked it also and i barely have the dps of my ISS...
Play your ISS then ;)
Speaking of the mentor system, they could have it so that the mentor doesn't need to be logged in for the bonuses to take effect. That would both solve lag and griefing issues!
And completely destroy the game balance
The game balance is already broken, when a mentee doesn't have his mentor log, he just quit him to find another. that's why so many people stay log just for mentoring. It won't destroy more the game balance to make it constant, it's already broken since they decided to put a mentoring system on.
It seems that way when we don't get answers you know :rolleyes:
You may learn one day that things can't be fixed in a flick of your fingers, especially when you are a company running different servers with thousands of customers. Especially when the said company is not the one developping and creating the game. Especially when the said company clearly stated they are working on it and searching the reason and the solution.
It's not because I want to find something that I will find it as soon as I want. Life sucks, life is hard :D
Thats it then? This is your solution? To play my ISS??? Why do you think i made a summoner? Isnt it because i ACTUALLY wanna deal some dmg? Duh... DO you think it is fun to run and buff and debuff? I tried it but it isnt FUN. For me at least. ANd forgive me that i wanna have fun in a game...
Nicely done, NCsoft, once again. At start I thought this "maintenance after maintenance after maintenance... we have no idea what we are doing" mess was funny as hell, but seriously, it is not.
This situation brilliantly illustrates the fact that you haven't learned anything from your past experience at all, and you just do not learn: every time we think it is impossible to fail more than NCwest already did, you just discover more and more breathtaking ways to fail.
Will this ever stop?
The other changes are separate and are still expected to be implemented in the near future.
Before you implement "the other changes" (such as changing the Olympiad and CoC times etc.)... would you answer a simple question: did WE (the players from non-Korean territories) ask for that?
The game balance is already broken, when a mentee doesn't have his mentor log, he just quit him to find another. that's why so many people stay log just for mentoring. It won't destroy more the game balance to make it constant, it's already broken since they decided to put a mentoring system on.
The Mentor / Mentee system was not creating at start to be a way to get a constant full buffs and x2 XP. It was created as a way to encourage sharing experience between players. I don't think we can go this far if you start saying it's annormal that derivative uses are not normal
You may learn one day that things can't be fixed in a flick of your fingers, especially when you are a company running different servers with thousands of customers. Especially when the said company is not the one developping and creating the game. Especially when the said company clearly stated they are working on it and searching the reason and the solution.
It's not because I want to find something that I will find it as soon as I want. Life sucks, life is hard :D
I do understand what you're trying to say, but so far I somehow imagined that at the said company they have people for maintenance, people for GMs, people for communication, and people for monitoring. Maybe I had too high expectations and I'm really sorry about that.
You may learn one day that things can't be fixed in a flick of your fingers, especially when you are a company running different servers with thousands of customers. Especially when the said company is not the one developping and creating the game. Especially when the said company clearly stated they are working on it and searching the reason and the solution.
It's not because I want to find something that I will find it as soon as I want. Life sucks, life is hard :D
It's not because I want to find something that I will find it as soon as I want. Life sucks, life is hard
You may learn one day that things can't be fixed in a flick of your fingers, especially when you are a company running different servers with thousands of customers. Especially when the said company is not the one developping and creating the game. Especially when the said company clearly stated they are working on it and searching the reason and the solution.
It's not because I want to find something that I will find it as soon as I want. Life sucks, life is hard :D
Thats it then? This is your solution? To play my ISS??? Why do you think i made a summoner? Isnt it because i ACTUALLY wanna deal some dmg? Duh... DO you think it is fun to run and buff and debuff? I tried it but it isnt FUN. For me at least. ANd forgive me that i wanna have fun in a game...
Yup it's my solution. Let's take it simply :
1) You took the summoner to do huge damages (why not, everyone got his/her reasons)
=> Your ISS is doing greater damage than your summoner
2) You want to have fun in a game. You don't have fun with your summoner
=> Change to play an other class.
3) Do I think it's fun to run and buff and debuff ?
=> I think its not the most entertaining part of the Iss, but it's not really the only thing an Iss can do :D
NO. No no no no no nooo. It is a GAME its not supposed to suck o_O FOr gods sake its not supposed to be HARD OMG it is a game it supposed to be FUN. You know? What ppl actually wanna have in a game. Instead of headaches. If it isnt fun ppl will quit. As you can see...
Before you implement "the other changes" (such as changing the Olympiad and CoC times etc.)... would you answer a simple question: did WE (the players from non-Korean territories) ask for that?
Mere details who cares what the people want? They are a dictatorship ladies and gentlemen, they don't care about who want what.
Everyone has the right to be upset and to think what he wants. Be everyone's rights stop where the other's rights begin. It's not be being upset and shouting everything out loud that things would get better. I don't have to tell you something like "Try it in the real life", we all know it won't work.
What?
It's your opinion, and I am quite interested about it. How do you think summoners are unnecessary during PvP and PvE ? Compared to before ? As far as I know, from facts, we were from 3 summons to 2. Stats will be increased, whatever some random guys may shout about it. If we got the summoner patch, we will get the stat boost aswell. It didn't get along right with today's maintenances, but we will get it. My opinion regarding your statement is that saying such an absolute sentence few hours after the update .
They're probably useless because many summoners have lost 33% to 50% of their servitor power without warning while being told a week ago when that happened, though not as severe as the case now, that it was an accident that wouldn't apply until the update where all the classes were getting changed and the stats would be properly arranged with the new servitors. Even if the stats were boosted like last week, it is still a sudden and unexpected nerf, that I state again, was declared an accident.
I heartly disagree on this point as well, but hell opinions ... My DPS is still really high, even with two cougars. From what I played myself this evening, my dps Higher than an Iss. Higher than a tank. Higher than a Othell. And a bit higher than an archer. I don't have a Tyrr and a Feoh, so I can't try them. And yup it's with only two summons.
I highly doubt it. Your DPS may be higher than an ISS or a Tyrr, but you can't provide what you can. The Wynn Summoner is a DD class and they are slightly superior in single target DPS in certain cases than the other DD classes (which they are no longer now with or without the stat increase) and they are just plain inferior in AOE compared to having a Feoh since Feoh outdoes them in AOE (even with 4 summons). Now they are inferior to every DD class and their mana share has always been irrelevant to any competent party.
You just spit on the faces of all the players which was not being able to play for a full week. I don't personally think that anyone is better than anyone, I just think that something which is good for X people and which is bad for Y people is a good thing as long as X > Y. It was the case here. You are able to play, even if it's with two summons. People didn't have this chance last week. You may think it's pointless to play with only two summons instead of three, it's your choice.
Or the problem could have been done away with by just getting rid of the buff (which I stated before that hardly anyone cares about) which caused the problem rather than killing a class.
I don't really have the issues you are listed. My client's RAM never went over 800Mb. I have good relation with the customer service, with helpful answers and when they don't know, answers stating they will search about it. About broken features, each chronicle, each throne got one. Just try to deal with it rather than complain about it.
That's good for you, but a large amount of players do.
I would agree that some things are not the clevest ones. Like shouting everywhere loud
Of course
Not the most clever, intelligent, thought through, etc. etc.
In regards to an explanation about the Wynn Summoner changes and why they are being implemented before Korea: the Wynn Summoner changes were made in order to further balance the classes. Also, fewer summoners reduces the amount of lag that many servers (including those in other territories) have seen; it was deemed important that certain territories such as ours receive this change sooner rather than later. Korea plans to implemented them onto their servers in the near future.
Due to the various issues today I have been posting updates as soon as I can get them. Currently are we looking into the matter of the updates being somewhat different than what they were last week, and I'll post more once I'm given more information. For now I'll remove the link to the original patch notes thread.
At least make the pets stronger as they were when the 1st update with 2 pets was implemented. If you guys leave them this way, a lot of people will leave. And to be honest I play Lineage2 since C1 beta, and I sincerely say that I will quit if no changes will be made to the Wynn Summoner pets.
Thank you for your time.
I do understand what you're trying to say, but so far I somehow imagined that at the said company they have people for maintenance, people for GMs, people for communication, and people for monitoring. Maybe I had too high expectations and I'm really sorry about that.
I don't know if you are around those forums a lot the past few years or not, but what I understood about Lineage II's department in Seattle is that :
1) They got a Producer, a Community Manager, a Producer Assistant
2) They are GM teams, Game surveillance units, and game support units. As far as I know, this crew is not working within directly with the office. Those teams are no influence on such updates & bugs.
3) The game is made by the main company, NCSoft, based at Seoul. To put it bluntly, they sent patches in a package with instructions and patch note about them, sometime
4) The QA department, which is here to check if a bug is really a bug, try his best to test the patch before applying it, with the usual other tasks they have to do : Check for bugs, checks for exploits, checking the whole new update (today it's GLory Day) on the QA server. When they found something, they ask for a fix to the Dev team which is at Seoul once again.
So basically, there is not a lot of things regarding this issue that NCWest can do directly. They don't write the code of the game, they don't modify it as they will. They do the best they can with the little they have.
I heartly disagree on this point as well, but hell opinions ... My DPS is still really high, even with two cougars. From what I played myself this evening, my dps Higher than an Iss. Higher than a tank. Higher than a Othell. And a bit higher than an archer. I don't have a Tyrr and a Feoh, so I can't try them. And yup it's with only two summons.
This works diferently at your lvl, for example fortuna today was much slower coz most of the dmg come from me ( 4 pets at 95) and tyrr. On AOE kartia it was really bad aswell. OFC with the current stats, this needs to be changed imediatly, while at your level is not noticable, it is not noticable for an higher level who relys on 100% more dmg output than what it current has which also has an impact on survival as well when soloing. Also the dmg ratio from summons compared to other classes gets lower and lower as level increases due to the passives, new weapons and enchants which don't bring major boost to your pets.
Plz if u want delete 1 pet we need u fix stats soon, because im lose 1/3 power with this new update, if this update are working good and u not make nothing just tell me to leave from game and not lose mi time with mi summoner plz, waiting for your answer ,thx.
This works diferently at your lvl, for example fortuna today was much slower coz most of the dmg come from me ( 4 pets at 95) and tyrr. On AOE kartia it was really bad aswell. OFC with the current stats, this needs to be changed imediatly, while at your level is not noticable, it is not noticable for an higher level who relys on 100% more dmg output than what it current has which also has an impact on survival as well when soloing. Also the dmg ratio from summons compared to other classes gets lower and lower as level increases due to the passives, new weapons and enchants which don't bring major boost to your pets.
Then I welcome your experience and your feedback :D
I won't lie saying that all summoners, me included, are therefore expecting the stat boost. We just have to be patient over it. By adding moderation work there we are not helping Sace who might want to communicate about what has be done or would be done
Or the problem could have been done away with by just getting rid of the buff (which I stated before that hardly anyone cares about) which caused the problem rather than killing a class.
Do you think the current developers team is capable to grasp the simplicity of this concept?
I don't know if you are around those forums a lot the past few years or not, but what I understood about Lineage II's department in Seattle is that :
1) They got a Producer, a Community Manager, a Producer Assistant
2) They are GM teams, Game surveillance units, and game support units. As far as I know, this crew is not working within directly with the office. Those teams are no influence on such updates & bugs.
3) The game is made by the main company, NCSoft, based at Seoul. To put it bluntly, they sent patches in a package with instructions and patch note about them, sometime
4) The QA department, which is here to check if a bug is really a bug, try his best to test the patch before applying it, with the usual other tasks they have to do : Check for bugs, checks for exploits, checking the whole new update (today it's GLory Day) on the QA server. When they found something, they ask for a fix to the Dev team which is at Seoul once again.
So basically, there is not a lot of things regarding this issue that NCWest can do directly. They don't write the code of the game, they don't modify it as they will. They do the best they can with the little they have.
Okay, that's clear, I'm just still expecting someone to answer some (not all) of the questions more regularly, oh and don't say an unexpected change will stay in-game after a mess-up...
The Mentor / Mentee system was not creating at start to be a way to get a constant full buffs and x2 XP. It was created as a way to encourage sharing experience between players. I don't think we can go this far if you start saying it's annormal that derivative uses are not normal
You cannot expect anything else about Humans. They have put a penality to mentor and not to the mentee. So what do mentees do ? They quit their mentor if they are not here. And what do mentors do ? They stay log for not being kicked.
The way they did it just put the things as they are now. If mentee had 7 days penality when they quit their mentor, trust me, they will accept that their mentor delog from time to time wich is not the case now (because of no penality).
By the way, the point here the "reason" they have half patch everything and the lack of balance with the "new" summons. You may think that it's normal and be happy with that, but I'm not. I know that Sace is the only one there to communicate with us and I won't insult her because of some things that are not coming from her behaviors. But I won't stop to try to tell NCSoft that they are actually doing messy things because of the half balanced patch we already experiment. As I already said, if they want to put us back to 2 summons, they HAVE to correctly balance their stats + the heal + the resummon time and many other things before apply anything.
And they have to take care about everything else that cause lags like bots, drops on the floor and all.
You cannot expect anything else about Humans. They have put a penality to mentor and not to the mentee. So what do mentees do ? They quit their mentor if they are not here. And what do mentors do ? They stay log for not being kicked.
The way they did it just put the things as they are now. If mentee had 7 days penality when they quit their mentor, trust me, they will accept that their mentor delog from time to time wich is not the case now (because of no penality).
This suggestion has been made several time, and by korean players too. It will get fixed by reducing the penalty for mentors when a mentee is leaving. Not the best, but still better.
You may think that it's normal and be happy with that, but I'm not.
I don't think it's normal, and I am not currently happy with it. I am not upset about it either. I am just waiting.
Hopes never die as we say. But I don't see the link between an update, and the fact that you are expecting a free class change.
Open your eyes then. I payed a lot of money to them. I got screwed up, both time and moneywise. The hard work/time/money i put in my summoner is worthless now. Im gonna fall off my chair if u say i dont deserve some compensation.
After too many time. Go 5 mn at fairy and look at the bots drops and see how it goes. Maby we need put there a bot to pick up for lag less ? Sometimes I wonder if it's not the best solution.
Open your eyes then. I payed a lot of money to them. I got screwed up, both time and moneywise. The hard work/time/money i put in my summoner is worthless now. Im gonna fall off my chair if u say i dont deserve some compensation.
I will guess you spent money on the game for NCCoins only, is it right ?
If there, you used money to buy items which helped you to reach a certain level, and you consumed those items. I don't see why the refund.
If I buy fuel for my car to go on vacation and I don't like the place, I won't ask for a refund of my oil :P
I usually am quiet but... i play other char... i recently got 90 ;) yey and i can say it rox... hovewer since some time i do the Wynn, today i entered Kartia... i died like a baby with two sumons which died even quicker than normal. AND I just realized that after a week, a month or anything like that my main char will also be nerfed as the "Great" NcSoft will "balance it" again and do not have even a decency to say the truth.
So just wanted to say GJ - i really hope you will loose a lot of players. But who cares - bots are still putting a lot of money to your pocket :) and "donators" are still here :)
For the rest enjoy utill you will not be affected as well... it will happen at some point no matter if you are summoner, dagger, archer etc.
Lol no reason to xp more than 2 hours a day to get 99 friends. If u cant do this and accuse people of cheating im sorry i cant help u. Never cheated for 7 years... no reason to start now
I think that if they see wynn class is so big trouble, JUST ERASE THE CLASS, and stop making the player angry with all this ninja patch. now i only got 1 bear, cant do pvp, cant do instances, so i got lvl 93 char that is usefull only to give noblesse (YES I GOT 3 SUBS one 83, one 80 the other 75) and mana share....
Good work guys, every day you make the players happy
I will guess you spent money on the game for NCCoins only, is it right ?
If there, you used money to buy items which helped you to reach a certain level, and you consumed those items. I don't see why the refund.
If I buy fuel for my car to go on vacation and I don't like the place, I won't ask for a refund of my oil :P
OMG i said it like 5 times today already. I BOUGHT NCOINS. And not only once. Not only a little.
Well I'm sure the rest of the changes will come to the Wynns soon enough. I don't expect much until Glory days patch. I think we'll be putting up with this for awhile. Don't think because you hound Sace you'll get answers, you won't. She can only post what she's officially told. You've seen what happens when she has to eat words because something changed. People go all postal n crap on her. I do not envy that woman's job!
Btw, I play my Wynn legit and I'll try to deal with this as best as I can and so will others if they want to keep playing. It sucks I agree,but let's be adults here.
Oh my god.... Wynn summoner are the cause the USA servers have a lot of lag? What about the bots, the adena spammers in all towns, the afk mentors so their mentee get exp? Seriously this is not an excuse for an obviously unexpected mistake servers had after downtime..
Obviously you were not about to bring the patch today.. it just hapenned a bug to wynn summoners to have only 4 summon points but with servitors having same stats as before, and you (as company) do not know what to answer to your customers..
Anyway, provide us at least with a free of charge class change ticket by keeping our level progress, amount of xp and sp. This is the last thing you can do at least to us.. Personally i got tired of experiments..
OMG i said it like 5 times today already. I BOUGHT NCOINS. And not only once. Not only a little.
And which rights does it give you towards other players ?
Edit : Fiou one of my post got blocked for quoting an other post, I lost it ><
I was just saying about bots and community manager : If someone was not here to manage the public relation, what would be the outcome and the fate of the company ? :D
About bots, any experience and feedback regarding reporting bot can be shared in the bot thread, FAQ and feedback. A company can't afford to definitively ban a player because it looks suspicious. I have been myself accused of botting in the white chat several times, just because people don't like the way I play or the fact I don't care about them and they are mad. That's here that I am happy that such ways are took in order to assure that everyone banned deserves it
Btw, I play my Wynn legit and I'll try to deal with this as best as I can and so will others if they want to keep playing. It sucks I agree,but let's be adults here.
If it sucks i dont think many ppl will want to continue being a wynn. Sadly they did a very bad thing and im hoping for a quick fix. I do not wish bad things to other classes. For once the blanacing thing should be a good thing no a bad thing :(
Lol no reason to xp more than 2 hours a day to get 99 friends. If u cant do this and accuse people of cheating im sorry i cant help u. Never cheated for 7 years... no reason to start now
Well I'm sure the rest of the changes will come to the Wynns soon enough. I don't expect much until Glory days patch. I think we'll be putting up with this for awhile. Don't think because you hound Sace you'll get answers, you won't. She can only post what she's officially told. You've seen what happens when she has to eat words because something changed. People go all postal n crap on her. I do not envy that woman's job!
Btw, I play my Wynn legit and I'll try to deal with this as best as I can and so will others if they want to keep playing. It sucks I agree,but let's be adults here.
I'm not upset at Sace. I'm upset at the developers.
I know Sace is, no offense to her, a puppet per say to say whatever the company wants to put out while they continue their mess.
And which rights does it give you towards other players ?
Edit : Fiou one of my post got blocked for quoting an other post, I lost it ><
its quite obvious if i buy a sports car then without my permission the company i bought it from changes it for a crappy french car like a renault without my permission, i have been shafted and deserve compensation.
Lol no reason to xp more than 2 hours a day to get 99 friends. If u cant do this and accuse people of cheating im sorry i cant help u. Never cheated for 7 years... no reason to start now
Im curious, have you ever seen the actual game's GUI ?
If it sucks i dont think many ppl will want to continue being a wynn.
People don't only play a class because it's pown, they play it to be happy and have fun with it too
About bots, any experience and feedback regarding reporting bot can be shared in the bot thread, FAQ and feedback. A company can't afford to definitively ban a player because it looks suspicious. I have been myself accused of botting in the white chat several times, just because people don't like the way I play or the fact I don't care about them and they are mad. That's here that I am happy that such ways are took in order to assure that everyone banned deserves it
Cmon if someone sees a party of bots and he cannot tell they are bots than he is clueless. I havent benn playing lineage for 1000+ years but i can tell the difference between bots and real players XD
its quite obvious if i buy a sports car then without my permission the company i bought it from changes it for a crappy french car like a renault without my permission, i have been shafted and deserve compensation.
It wouldn't happen if you only buy german's car :P
But to take your comparaison, don't take it as a buy, but as a loan. You own nothing, NCSoft is loaning you an avatar on their server. They decide to change it, you continue to use it or use an other one
Ok NCsoft, since it has started like this, let's play Survivor for a while, and kill one class at a time.
Today it's Wynn, who's next?
I insist, Othell Rogues must be voted out! Their clones create too much lag, and lots of them are bots anyway!
Once they are gone, we can proceed with the remaining classes. Remember, it takes just one patch a week to remove the class! One at a time.
People don't only play a class because it's pown, they play it to be happy and have fun with it too
Its like you filter what i want to say and only get what i dont wanna say. I started my summoner to have fun. Because it was fun being a DD after BD/ISS. It was fun actually being able to solo. WHich i couldnt do with the ISS cuz its weak its not supposed to solo.
Cmon if someone sees a party of bots and he cannot tell they are bots than he is clueless. I havent benn playing lineage for 1000+ years but i can tell the difference between bots and real players XD
And what between a party of bot and a party ruled by one player, with several computers, using macros and nostromo / g110 keyboard and so on ?
I can for example play the main DD by hand. Each other dd has a macro which is spammed by the keyboard as doing /assist on the main DD. The Iss is doing sonata on Macro (key pressed each 5 minutes) and auto assist the main DD to debuff. The healer is playing dual boxed by myself, playing the live DD too.
Anyway, provide us at least with a free of charge class change ticket by keeping our level progress, amount of xp and sp.
Wait a minute, if they are giving the Wynn dummoners a free class change ticket I demand the rest of us get one as compensation also. The sympathy anxiety I've endured today because of the travesty imposed upon the brotherhood Wynn has been unbearable.
We have all suffered far too long at this point and justice must prevail!!!
Why when we tell the truth you just remove your post and warn us?
Let's face the real problem which is: BOTS.
(remove them from game and I believe 50% of lag will go away and the market will be more fair again)
Is that really truth you need to destroy a class to fix a problem that you create? (I´m talking about the raid boss buff)
Just listen all those people. We are being damaged by your problems every single week.
What about the oly, the dailys and so one?
And the last thing... I don´t really want to play any other class but my wynn. I´ll not play the way it is right now. If it doens't change really soon I´m out. That´s all.
And what between a party of bot and a party ruled by one player, with several computers, using macros and nostromo / g110 keyboard and so on ?
I can for example play the main DD by hand. Each other dd has a macro which is spammed by the keyboard as doing /assist on the main DD. The Iss is doing sonata on Macro (key pressed each 5 minutes) and auto assist the main DD to debuff. The healer is playing dual boxed by myself, playing the live DD too.
It's not botting, and it can looks like bot :P
WOW if u do all this i respect u alot but i prefer just simply playing my summoner. Soloing. Doing Kartia. Going SOA with friends. Like real stuff. Not 1 man army :P
wow, u dont speak only from NC behalf but also from the peoples, u need as here or u can continue alone?
I would just need some help to understand the end of your sentence :D
I don't speak for everyone, I express my concerns and opinions and what I think is true, or not. Agree or don't agree with that it won't change what I said
WOW if u do all this i respect u alot but i prefer just simply playing my summoner. Soloing. Doing Kartia. Going SOA with friends. Like real stuff. Not 1 man army :P
I don't anymore, but I did it. It was just pointing out that everything is not so easy when you look at it :D
(and about that, it's not really fun but it's hell needed when you want something special/ want to level faster and things like that)
People don't only play a class because it's pown, they play it to be happy and have fun with it too
You have no fun when, one day, someone just kill your class. It's not only that we are constantly nerfed, it's also about the party. People will have to choose between different class for filling the blank inside their party, and if you're a summoner, you will be the last choice. If you can have fun by having less summons with less power, not being able to XP and not being able to go in party 'cause nobody will want you, you're lucky.
Our QA team is looking in to the changes still. So far it has been determined that the servitor stats have increased. I will provide detailed information once it is compiled.
Regarding lag and bot discussion: please remember that the other Lineage II territories will be receiving the same patch for the same reasoning. For various reasons, some of those territories have different kinds of players than we do; therefore it cannot be assumed that this lag-reduction change has been made due to cheaters and bots. All further comments about bots will be removed, as that is not the topic of this thread.
Im Wynn lvl 92 in cronos and just quit game this sucks...... I hope all summoners do the same we are useless now..... I WANNA PLAY A REAL SERVER NOT THE KOREAN TEST SERVER......
You have no fun when, one day, someone just kill your class. It's not only that we are constantly nerfed, it's also about the party. People will have to choose between different class for filling the blank inside their party, and if you're a summoner, you will be the last choice. If you can have fun by having less summons with less power, not being able to XP and not being able to go in party 'cause nobody will want you, you're lucky.
I heard quite the same thing about Tyrr's. And about Othell's. And about Feoh's. And about Archer's. It's all about what people think about others classes without knowing it. I won't bother for this type of people :D
If you are not happy with other parties, I can only advice you to just create your own. It may surprisingly work.
I don't anymore, but I did it. It was just pointing out that everything is not so easy when you look at it :D
(and about that, it's not really fun but it's hell needed when you want something special/ want to level faster and things like that)
Wouldnt it be easier to do this with your friends or clan members? :) Lets face it this is an MMORPG there should be many ppl playing together, not 1 ppl parties and bots all around the map. At this point my anger is gone im just deeply deeply sad because of all these things what happened to my wynn T_T
Seriously now,
did we really need these changes so fast? I mean the stream behind my house is now a raging river of tears from the wynn summoner players of L2. haha :D
:D
Our QA team is looking in to the changes still. So far it has been determined that the servitor stats have increased. I will provide detailed information once it is compiled.
Are you saying that the stats of our summons on the live server are actually ok ?
Our QA team is looking in to the changes still. So far it has been determined that the servitor stats have increased. I will provide detailed information once it is compiled.
Really wouldn't it be easier to give third servitor back than having to look into a change which shouldn't happen? Please ask them that, thanks.
Our QA team is looking in to the changes still. So far it has been determined that the servitor stats have increased. I will provide detailed information once it is compiled.
Regarding lag and bot discussion: please remember that the other Lineage II territories will be receiving the same patch for the same reasoning. For various reasons, some of those territories have different kinds of players than we do; therefore it cannot be assumed that this lag-reduction change has been made due to cheaters and bots. All further comments about bots will be removed, as that is not the topic of this thread.
Thank you for the update Sace.
Since it has been determined that the servitor stats has been increased, can you may be share numbers about that ?
I have a lvl 98 wynn, and the stats have not changed on my summons. I guess now the only recourse is /delete summoner. You just lost a good nccoin customer. GJ NCSOFT for penalize those of us that worked hard to get lvl and gear.
Let's face the real problem which is: BOTS.
(remove them from game and I believe 50% of lag will go away and the market will be more fair again)
+1
Maybe sace, by saying wynn summoners were producing lag on servers, was meant those freaking dark elves clones wearing c grade armor and weapon and having out servitor silluette and play 24 hours a day in blazing swamp, valley of saints, everywhere.
See? Ncsoft does not think solution is to ban those, but solution is to bring the patch which will destroy the class.
Epic failure.
I have a lvl 98 wynn, and the stats have not changed on my summons. I guess now the only recourse is /delete summoner. You just lost a good nccoin customer. GJ NCSOFT for penalize those of us that worked hard to get lvl and gear.
Indeed the stats have not been changed. They are the same as yesterday :(
Our QA team is looking in to the changes still. So far it has been determined that the servitor stats have increased. I will provide detailed information once it is compiled.
Regarding lag and bot discussion: please remember that the other Lineage II territories will be receiving the same patch for the same reasoning. For various reasons, some of those territories have different kinds of players than we do; therefore it cannot be assumed that this lag-reduction change has been made due to cheaters and bots. All further comments about bots will be removed, as that is not the topic of this thread.
with all respect. my wynn had 3300+ matk (on cougars with bow and warrior), i logged it now. same buffs and still 3300+ matk.
too bad i dont remember the patk, i just remember matk cos of 33 >.<
edit: last time cougars had 13k m.atk. i remember cos i was lolling about more matk then patk on cougars
you can exchange my class and I leave the lvl 92 cm msm xp? * - * And free .... did throw three months playing for this to happen with my class? take the 11k and dager is normal .. Wynn and say this over classes ... so there is one thing I do not like to think of ncsoft sumoner ... thanks for ruining a class that was optimal: P
The stats hasnt been increased, its easy to check, same with having 1 bear instead 2, why dont you add the real patch instead making us lose our runes ?
I prefer 4 pets with half status than 2 pets with double of status. I play simply becouse I like to have all them, that's why I spend weeks of hard work. And now you will took them off! That makes me crazy! :mad:
2 pets its just making the summoners severely weak. I down? Wait 30 sec, resummon. Theoritically its ok but in real game your dead waaaaaay before you could summon even one back.
I think it's clear that this is a big mess-up and someone's trying really hard to clean it up, however all wynns will know that their stats are the same as before, and that this change wasn't planned, foreseen or expected. The Team should really work on un-implementing it instead of trying to find a non-existent explanation for it at least for the sake of players' community.
Sace, if all this people are wasting so much time here instead of playing as usual that´s becouse it is really annoying us.
Well, we can be like less than 1% of population but we are part of the real player that spent time and money to achieve what we achieve so it will be very painfull if you really change things like that...
take this into consideration. Thank you!
if this patch stay and no rollback (im talking about the 2 pets) i will quit playing too , and im sure almost all sumoner will do the same . i can add here 4 summoners in my clan they will quit too...
this is korean test server
there is a huge difference in telling players .. we will rework your class all over the world to improve "gameplay".. you are telling players that you will rework(nerf) the class because of lag on your server on west lol
Since it has been determined that the servitor stats has been increased, can you may be share numbers about that ?
I can answer this question by sharing you 2 screens. those are with the same stuff, I think I had buff lv 2 on the first screen. Unfortunatly, one is with summons lv 91 and the other with actual summons, but you'll see by yourself how much their stats have been increased (those are real screens, I didn't change anything on the stats).
Fix the servers and memoryleaks and do something about the vermin on the servers and dont blame the Wynn Pets. Fix so we are strong as before and reduce the time to re summon, and make exile 100% landable.
I want all other classes Nerfed...
Archers Patk and less Mdef and Pdef
Nukers Matk much less Mdef and Pdef
Daggers on Backstab, Hide (removed), No cloning /shadows
Tanks shall have lower Mdef and Pdef
Healers should be cut in 1/2 also no Lumi
Tyrr made to 1/3 of their powers
Saying that the stats have been changed just show that you dont test this change before using the patchs....
The stats are the same (well my reapers lost 2k of matak....) than before, so now we are a class that only is usefull to load a little the server...
GOOD WORK GUYS... when the server end with no wynns, what will you do
Dont you understand that there messups are adding up to NCSofts bad reputation? I have a lots of gamer firends and so does everyone else here i believe. My friends arent laughing at me because i play L2 because they are my friends but they always let me know what they think... and believe me they do not like NCSoft. This company has already got a bad reputation between gamers. I didnt see the statistics (to be honest i dont really care because it does not exclude the bots) but i know very well that there are less and less ppl playing L2 nowadays. I turly am dedicated to this game and im not willing to give up on it unless they really screw up my beloved summoners.
Please pretty please fix this i wanna play already. Ever since the servers got back alive after the emergency ninja patch im just sitting in town sadly with 1 lonely bear :(
Our QA team is looking in to the changes still. So far it has been determined that the servitor stats have increased. I will provide detailed information once it is compiled.
Your "QA team" has just proven itself to be absolutely useless, or, let me guess the harsh truth, non-existant (which I think is the case, considering your cost-cutting policy).
I've just checked the screenshots with the summons' stats, they are exactly the same as yesterday. Nothing has changed, except the number of summoning points.
All you need to do now is manually set this particular parameter back to its pre-patched value, then everything should be allright.
When them has a server free of summoners and still has a lot of lag they will go 4 another class...... the question is witch class is next, guillty of server lag?
They are telling us you are respndable of server lag so you must be nerfed and we dont care........S23232U3232C232K232 I232T
so far i see less summoners playing right now.....But i cant belive that some of us stiil playing......
I was wonder about start a new char but i think its pointless......
One thing we cant rememeber is: Dont look only for the status... make real tests... Let me explain.
> If you have a tyrr with 10.000 p.atk and you have 2 pets with 5.000 p.atk each one, they will not deal the same damage.
> If you have a feoh with 30.000 m.atk and you have 3 pets with 10.000 m.atk each one, they will not deal the same damage.
There are something called P. skill power and M.skill power. What skills we have on cougars that can damage close to a backstabb from dagger or a pinpoint shoot from archer? None.
My point is: ofc wynn are better than any other class for pve (that´s the reason many people pick them "and bots too"). But you cannot forget we dont have same efficience in pvp like any other classes.
My cougars can get 44k p.atk on kamael transform + Battle Raphsody each one (That's amazing, Yes I know!) but for pve! Before I can kill my second target on pvp my pets are dead by AOE skills or I'm dead due not having transfer pain... and if I'm dead = my pets are useless... and if my pets are dead = I´m useless. And 95% of time on pvp we have like 7k p.atk on cougars and our marks can easily be cleaned and delay is way too long to use again (not like a lumi or creepling attack).
I hope you don´t forget that while you are making your "balancing".
One thing we cant rememeber is: Dont look only for the status... make real tests... Let me explain.
> If you have a tyrr with 10.000 p.atk and you have 2 pets with 5.000 p.atk each one, they will not deal the same damage.
> If you have a feoh with 30.000 m.atk and you have 3 pets with 10.000 m.atk each one, they will not deal the same damage.
There are something called P. skill power and M.skill power. What skills we have on cougars that can damage close to a backstabb from dagger or a pinpoint shoot from archer? None.
My point is: ofc wynn are better than any other class for pve (that´s the reason many people pick them "and bots too"). But you cannot forget we dont have same efficience in pvp like any other classes.
My cougars can get 44k p.atk on kamael transform + Battle Raphsody each one (That's amazing, Yes I know!) but for pve! Before I can kill my second target on pvp my pets are dead by AOE skills or I'm dead due not having transfer pain... and if I'm dead = my pets are useless... and if my pets are dead = I´m useless. And 95% of time on pvp we have like 7k p.atk on cougars and our marks can easily be cleaned and delay is way too long to use again (not like a lumi or creepling attack).
I hope you don´t forget that while you are making your "balancing".
Yeah talking about balancing they totally forgot about important things.
Why even Argue and posting stats. Sace says it's working servers fine end of discussions LOL and we are boosted up and compensated to a good level which is -0. we are as of now cut to 2/3 of what we had 66.66% for pre 95 and 95+ 1/2 and 50% for and should just enjoy and take it like men or women we are. We are not Customers nor paying to play it for a fee! We are using the servers and client as a privileged for being stupid and buying in to their crap!
Don't jump on Sace for this, she's just here to communicate with us
is necessary to blame someone yes.
For me and all the other players are wasting time and money on it!
Why even Argue and posting stats. Sace says it's working servers fine end of discussions LOL and we are boosted up and compensated to a good level which is -0. we are as of now cut to 2/3 of what we had 66.66% for pre 95 and 95+ 1/2 and 50% for and should just enjoy and take it like men or women we are. We are not Customers nor paying to play it for a fee! We are using the servers and client as a privileged for being stupid and buying in to their crap!
1. Stop crying
2. Arguments show facts if they see they will check that it works or not on screens it showed that this doesn't work.
Go sleep and tommorow u will see in game/at forum there will be something done with this or no.
I was planning on play all night but its too depressing like this. And... nah i keep getting this idea every wednesday, this game doesnt deserve my time nor my money... really... they make it so hard to like this game :(
Talk about what you can do, instead of only about what you cannot do.
Or this kind of discussion is going lower and lamer.
What i can do? Well i can sit around in towns, look at my beautiful gear. Yup. Thats it. I cant go out and fight like this its pointless. Kartia? Forget about it. I would talk about what i CAN do actually but there isnt much...
Okay I've received some clarification from QA. Unfortunately my previous statement was a miscommunication; the stats have increased in our testing server because we're checking the full patch notes for the Wynn Summoner changes, however they have not yet been applied to the live servers. I apologize for the misinformation given on that note; what you are seeing on live servers is correct for the time being: fewer servitors but with no stats increase. The other changes, such as servitor stats increase, unfortunately cannot be applied to live servers until next maintenance on Wednesday, September 19, due to remaining severe issues (bugged instances like we saw last week) with the rest of the build those files are bound to. :( I'm afraid for this next week Wynn Summoners' servitors remains as they are currently. I realize this is bad news and it may be an especially bad week for Wynn Summoners because of it; we sincerely apologize for this inconvenience, and we hope that once the patch is implemented with no errors Wynn Summoners may find the changes enjoyable after all.
Our QA team is looking in to the changes still. So far it has been determined that the servitor stats have increased. I will provide detailed information once it is compiled.
Regarding lag and bot discussion: please remember that the other Lineage II territories will be receiving the same patch for the same reasoning. For various reasons, some of those territories have different kinds of players than we do; therefore it cannot be assumed that this lag-reduction change has been made due to cheaters and bots. All further comments about bots will be removed, as that is not the topic of this thread.
SACE i was on last week when we got the 2 summons patch and the summons today are nothing like those. I have no idea who made the determination about the servitor stats increase. What i do know is they are wrong. They stats today r the same as yesterday and this morning. Not the same as last week.
i wrote the stats down before the fix of last week so i could see the difference.
no buffs
P.def 3371, after fix p.def 1867
M.def 7444, after fix m.def 5653
Today we have the same stats as after the fix. It hasn't changed. The only thing that was done was the removal of 2 cats. And have you heard those who have mentioned that the bear still needs 3 points?
So, basically its not right. But i'm sure someone will see the light soon, and all will be well. My poor summoner just hit 91% into lvl93. I could see 4 cougars over the horizon..And now i know it was only a mirage.
Posted then read your update. So guess i'll be doing what i can to lvl the summoner in hopes that the cougars will get their upgrade next week.
Hard to enjoy! Just do a emergency maintenace and switch back .... And dont blame the lag on us! And if i have to wait Nerf other classes and change the resummon time!
GUYS! after reading all the posts and had some time thinking about it I think I get a good solution for that:
What about giving the player the chance to choose how many pets he wants? How?
Give every (94- wynn 3 points of summon) and (95+ 4 points of summon) and them give us new skills called:
> "Summon Weak Saber Cougar" that consume 1 point of summon and is weaker than nowadays Cougar.
> "Summon Strong Saber Cougar" that consume 2 point of summon and is stronger than nowadays Cougar.
> Do it for Reapers and Pandas too.
With that the player can decide by himself if he wants 2, 3 or 4 pets on him. And you can also mix like 1 Strong Panda and 2 Weak Reapers or whatever...
That seems to make sense to me. What do you think?
Okay I've received some clarification from QA. Unfortunately my previous statement was a miscommunication; the stats have increased in our testing server because we're checking the full patch notes for the Wynn Summoner changes, however they have not yet been applied to the live servers. I apologize for the misinformation given on that note; what you are seeing on live servers is correct for the time being: fewer servitors but with no stats increase. The other changes, such as servitor stats increase, unfortunately cannot be applied to live servers until next maintenance on Wednesday, September 19, due to remaining severe issues (bugged instances like we saw last week) with the rest of the build those files are bound to. :( I'm afraid for this next week Wynn Summoners' servitors remains as they are currently. I realize this is bad news and it may be an especially bad week for Wynn Summoners because of it; we sincerely apologize for this inconvenience, and we hope that once the patch is implemented with no errors Wynn Summoners may find the changes enjoyable after all.
It's been 2 weeks you are doing stuff with summoners. You have to do something now and not letting us bug for 1 *****ING WEEK ! So for debug 15 people in instance you have to complete bug 1 class, you all RULES.
It's more than bad use, it's just seing how you care about us. Do another emergency maintenance and put back the 3 or 4 summons like it's suppose to be.
We won't enjoy anything after the patch will be correctly apply unless we also apply some chage about the heal, the reuse of the skills and all. We are now lame and everything of it just show the respect you have to your players.
Okay I've received some clarification from QA. Unfortunately my previous statement was a miscommunication; the stats have increased in our testing server because we're checking the full patch notes for the Wynn Summoner changes, however they have not yet been applied to the live servers. I apologize for the misinformation given on that note; what you are seeing on live servers is correct for the time being: fewer servitors but with no stats increase. The other changes, such as servitor stats increase, unfortunately cannot be applied to live servers until next maintenance on Wednesday, September 19, due to remaining severe issues (bugged instances like we saw last week) with the rest of the build those files are bound to. :( I'm afraid for this next week Wynn Summoners' servitors remains as they are currently. I realize this is bad news and it may be an especially bad week for Wynn Summoners because of it; we sincerely apologize for this inconvenience, and we hope that once the patch is implemented with no errors Wynn Summoners may find the changes enjoyable after all.
Wow your are not going to make friends with this new statment... One long week to be a fully bugged class ?
And what about Olympiad coming this week end ? What about all the wynn that almonst won't be able to play because of the lower damages(kartia solo will be really fun, maybe 1h long with the current stats... so much fun)
Cougar is too weak last time at lvl 91 it had 25k hp and around 8k p.atk?
Please increase with the cougar p.atk the re-summoning time is too high
im glad the 2 cougars original p.atk is coming back, resummoning time is the problem after that.:mad:
Okay I've received some clarification from QA. Unfortunately my previous statement was a miscommunication; the stats have increased in our testing server because we're checking the full patch notes for the Wynn Summoner changes, however they have not yet been applied to the live servers. I apologize for the misinformation given on that note; what you are seeing on live servers is correct for the time being: fewer servitors but with no stats increase. The other changes, such as servitor stats increase, unfortunately cannot be applied to live servers until next maintenance on Wednesday, September 19, due to remaining severe issues (bugged instances like we saw last week) with the rest of the build those files are bound to. :( I'm afraid for this next week Wynn Summoners' servitors remains as they are currently. I realize this is bad news and it may be an especially bad week for Wynn Summoners because of it; we sincerely apologize for this inconvenience, and we hope that once the patch is implemented with no errors Wynn Summoners may find the changes enjoyable after all.
The only change possible and enjoyable for next week is:
The Lineage2 west of NC be EQUAL to Lineage2 Korea
nothing more and nothing less!
Korea in the Wynns have 4 pets today.
So this week i must log in and just chat with my friends and clan mates...... BECOUSE 4 ONE WEEK IM WEAK AND USELESS???? SO NO ONE WILL WANT ME IN ANY PARTY.....AND JUST W8 4 THE REST OF CHANGES.....
OK SO IM GONNA PLAY (AION no becouse Its the same company) DC UNIVERS, TERA, STARTEK ONLINE AND MAYBE NEXT WEDNESSDAY IL COME BACK????? Umm I DONT THINK SO.......
I remember you Linage2 it a bussines too, and you have the worst costumer service so.......
Okay I've received some clarification from QA. The other changes, such as servitor stats increase, unfortunately cannot be applied to live servers until next maintenance on Wednesday, September 19, due to remaining severe issues (bugged instances like we saw last week) with the rest of the build those files are bound to. :( I realize this is bad news and it may be an especially bad week for Wynn Summoners because of it; we sincerely apologize for this inconvenience.
That´s it? Your QA just said, oh we made a mistake but DONT WORRY, next week we fix it. Forget the wynn.. they cry too much..
Who in the hell will give us party?? What about dailys? what about xp?
All we can do is stop playing this week waiting for you to fix it? I know it´s not your fault sace but ur team really don´t care to players. Every post from you makes it more clear for us. Ok maybe we can find other stuffs to do this week and maybe the other stuff are better than l2.
Wow your are not going to make friends with this new statment... One long week to be a fully bugged class ?
In your place, I'd be happy it's just for a week.
In the past, there have been classes bugged for months.
Oh and Sace, i have a good question for you (i hope i'll have your answer here) :
Since the summoners change are something brought by Korea to others country Lineage because of "put any reason here", i guess NCWest can have his word on saying this change is not enjoyable at all, rework it or remove it ?
So basically why don't you make an official poll(like Korea do often to ask players opinions) to ask your customers if they want or don't want this update ?
This way you could then make the info back to Korea to have better changes, or removed them.
Oh and Sace, i have a good question for you (i hope i'll have your answer here) :
Since the summoners change are something brought by Korea to others country Lineage because of "put any reason here", i guess NCWest can have his word on saying this change is not enjoyable at all, rework it or remove it ?
So basically why don't you make an official poll(like Korea do often to ask players opinions) to ask your customers if they want or don't want this update ?
This way you could then make the info back to Korea to have better changes, or removed them.
but in Korea the Wynn was not changed.
look on their website.
the Wynns Koreans today are so that you know, only NCWest want to change on your own the WYNNS.
I'm pretty sure that we won't have any compensation even after 1 week not playing. And what about if in 1 week you do some messy things again ? We will have to wait again one week ? Perhaps another again after ? I continue to say that if EVERY INSTANCES ARE BUGGED WITH THAT NEW PATCH IT'S BECAUSE THE PATCH IS NOT OK.
And stop saying things like "it's for the lag". we all would rather prefer 1000x more lags instead of having our class completly messed by a useless patch.
OMG... BEST UPDATE BETTER THAN LAST WEEK....
So we DO NOT PLAY for one week, and we will rediscover the beauty of real life and stop playing this game (the truth we will just go play another game)... good work.
Congratz for making me leave the char i leveled the most, but playing a wynn on this game is a waste of time... Congratz for your amazing response time and for using a real life gameserver like a testing server (wait, 4 real game server) your business vision is amazing.....
WHAT COMPENSATION YOU WILL GIVE TO WYNN SUMMONERS, A 1 HOUR RUNE? FULL VITA ON FRIDAY... THIS TIME YOU CAN NOT FIX YOUR OWN MISTAKE
So basically all wynss lose out on no xp loss upon death which means quicker lvling... Nicely done Team, we now pay for YOUR mistake! I really hope the others in Korea won't agree with you lot and will demand setting back OR you will realise what it can cost you. I just simply don't get your logic, because there isn't one in what you're doing right now! :mad:
Definitely the stats never increased..Really you push a lot of people to quit game..At least put the last week patch..This one is not the right one..:/
The other changes, such as servitor stats increase, unfortunately cannot be applied to live servers until next maintenance on Wednesday, September 19, due to remaining severe issues (bugged instances like we saw last week) with the rest of the build those files are bound to.
Once again: why are we getting this "build" at all?
What made you break your routine way of introducing the game updates in the same order as in Korea, just a few months later? Why can't we continue to play the game as it was as of Harmony, then update it to Glory Days then, in due time, to Echo?
What's the reason to force us to face the changes that haven't been implemented in Korea yet? And what if they, after due consideration, decide to NEVER implement them on their servers? How it will feel then? Funny huh?
cougars stats were changed :) but the thing is, thats still 49% class nerf, 25% nerf with tauti wasnt enough i see, in couple months and u nerf 1 class by 74% how does it feel?:) and if u say thats cuz overpopulation what about add feature to change main class for free if your summoner.?!?!
Once again: why are we getting this "build" at all?
What made you break your routine way of introducing the game updates in the same order as in Korea, just a few months later? Why can't we continue to play the game as it was as of Harmony, then update it to Glory Days then, in due time, to Echo?
What's the reason to force us to face the changes that haven't been implemented in Korea yet? And what if they, after due consideration, decide to NEVER implement them on their servers? How it will feel then? Funny huh?
The only answer we have for those questions currently is what we posted before: the change reduces lag and Korea decided to sent it to us first. If we get more information and answers on this we'll update you.
Good that I am not that adiccted to L2 that I will die if I not play a whole week. I am not even upset that my main char is now bugged, mistakes can happen everywhere humans work. But what me make upset is the way player get treated here and the statement that my class is one of the reasons of server lags. Sorry NC, that is NOT my problem! I think is good for NC that it is a game and no other business at wich ppl could run in the doors of the office with their sickness about the support :))
btw. ppl stop to write lame backmails like *ohh I gonna quit L2 if you don't do asap what I want* OR *I stop buying NC Coins if you don't please me*
If you would be serious in this, you just would quit or stop buying coins without to mention it on a forum* Since almost the same ppl pop up all few days with this kind of *threat* and they still play and prolly still buy coins :rolleyes:
And if you buy a xp rune, in which description is clearly written that it's time tickers down even if you are NOT in game, it is you'r very own risk. Noone forced you to buy it.
when the game was paid, the company professionals were better and problems like this never happened.
the game became free and just end up!
1 week without playing, will hinder the player, the player's clan, friends of the player and the rest of the game around the player, this is it will have a direct impact on the game.
The only answer we have for those questions currently is what we posted before: the change reduces lag and Korea decided to sent it to us first. If we get more information and answers on this we'll update you.
This change does not reduce lag and you know that :D Well as for the REAL summoners leaving the servers for 1 week it wont reduce the lag at all i can tell u.
Okay I've received some clarification from QA. Unfortunately my previous statement was a miscommunication; the stats have increased in our testing server because we're checking the full patch notes for the Wynn Summoner changes, however they have not yet been applied to the live servers. I apologize for the misinformation given on that note; what you are seeing on live servers is correct for the time being: fewer servitors but with no stats increase. The other changes, such as servitor stats increase, unfortunately cannot be applied to live servers until next maintenance on Wednesday, September 19, due to remaining severe issues (bugged instances like we saw last week) with the rest of the build those files are bound to. :( I'm afraid for this next week Wynn Summoners' servitors remains as they are currently. I realize this is bad news and it may be an especially bad week for Wynn Summoners because of it; we sincerely apologize for this inconvenience, and we hope that once the patch is implemented with no errors Wynn Summoners may find the changes enjoyable after all.
You missed the compensations in here:
Are we geting free olympiad points? Exp Scrolls? 7 day rune exp 200%? Infinite amount of VP for the week? Since we are losing 1 week of gameplay.
Do we own our toons ?? -> No, its NC property they only give us permission to use em every time we login.
Does NC has the power to change the game in anyway they see fit without giving any reason at all?? -> Of course they do, its right there on the EULA each we login in.
Does NC has to refund all those legit wynns for the NC Coin they spend? -> Probably not cause those coins were used for services already rendered. They didn't take back the xp you gained with all the xp items now, did they??
Do we have to like the changes ?? -> Depends on the individual. Some may like em although the majority probably wont.
Do we have to continue playing our Wynn?? -> Of course not! You can quit anytime NC won't hold it against you.
All in all its their game and they can do whatever they like with it. And the funny part is we agree with it every time we login. All the other excuses about Wynn's pets lagging the server and whatnot is just a load of hot , steamy crap. They just send them the patches, they apply them and nothing more. NCWest is just a side project for NCKorea not something that really wanna look into just give the mother company a "Global" image. Its not that they make a profit out of it. They just have it to gloat among other Korean MMO companies that they have business overseas as well.
The least NCWest staff could do would be to be honest about it but then they would have to search for new jobs either because they are fired for doing so or having self - esteem issues about their place of work.
Is it good for business? Probably not but lets face it. How many of the total population of Wynns are actually legit, NC Coin buying customers? 5%, 10%? The majority are bots. And how much of the total NCCoin buying population? My guess is less than 5% but its just a hunch no solid facts on the matter. Point is the rest 95% of NC Coin spending customers couldn't care less if they nerf Wynn's, some might actually enjoy it. They only thing they might fear is if it is their turn next but L2 is too addictive to stop playing based on a fear.
What you can do on the other hand is leave this game and never look back. Go play with the wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/your dog/cat, go fish, go running, go play WoW/tera/[insert MMO here] whatever rocks your boat.
Personally I will not stop playing. Neither my party nor my clan had any problem with me having 2 summons instead of 4. Why? Because they play with the person behind the pixels not the pixels themselves. Wanna continue playing ? Find a good clan, Constant party, Friendlist, if you wanna continue having fun.
I didn't like the change especially without the increased stats/reduced resummon time/other boosts applied. I do expect a boost for Wynn pets in the near future if it comes its welcome if not so be it.
One thing is for sure though. I will Never, Ever, Ever again buy not a single NC Coin as long as the servers are still up and running (Running maybe a euphemism, crawling might be better but what the hell...) . Free-to-play for the win!!! And please the last one leaving remember to turn off the lights as you go.
btw. ppl stop to write lame backmails like *ohh I gonna quit L2 if you don't do asap what I want* OR *I stop buying NC Coins if you don't please me*
If you would be serious in this, you just would quit or stop buying coins without to mention it on a forum* Since almost the same ppl pop up all few days with this kind of *threat* and they still play and prolly still buy coins :rolleyes:
And if you buy a xp rune, in which description is clearly written that it's time tickers down even if you are NOT in game, it is you'r very own risk. Noone forced you to buy it.
Duh... some ppl buy the big runes not the little 1 hour ones. If u opened it this afternoon it will tick down for the rest of the week. While u cannot play. Great.
Good that I am not that adiccted to L2 that I will die if I not play a whole week. I am not even upset that my main char is now bugged, mistakes can happen everywhere humans work. But what me make upset is the way player get treated here and the statement that my class is one of the reasons of server lags. Sorry NC, that is NOT my problem! I think is good for NC that it is a game and no other business at wich ppl could run in the doors of the office with their sickness about the support :))
btw. ppl stop to write lame backmails like *ohh I gonna quit L2 if you don't do asap what I want* OR *I stop buying NC Coins if you don't please me*
If you would be serious in this, you just would quit or stop buying coins without to mention it on a forum* Since almost the same ppl pop up all few days with this kind of *threat* and they still play and prolly still buy coins :rolleyes:
And if you buy a xp rune, in which description is clearly written that it's time tickers down even if you are NOT in game, it is you'r very own risk. Noone forced you to buy it.
Us customers deserve respect, and we're talking real money.
no joke.
need a huge compensating the company for the money and time wasted by their customers.
Its like you filter what i want to say and only get what i dont wanna say. I started my summoner to have fun. Because it was fun being a DD after BD/ISS. It was fun actually being able to solo. WHich i couldnt do with the ISS cuz its weak its not supposed to solo.
lol then why do I have no problem soloing with mine? Given I started with basic gear and I used light armor and STILL managed it. Now I have Twilight heavy,twilight jewels,Apoc duels,augmented pirates hat,twilight shirt and a HP belt. If you can't solo with an Iss and manage to heal yourself and carry HP pots then you have a major problem. I do my kartia solo and swampland no problem
This doesn't make sense. The only thing that was changed for summoners to effect this, was that the Summon points were reduced to 4.
This doesn't sound all that hard. Change the database back to give points based on level again.
How can something like this be the cause for instances not working?
Why is NCWest being adjusted/(penalized) before Korea? The reason given that this will reduce server lag is ridiculous. This patch might reduce lag, but the summons affecting lag? right
This is no Balance or Lagg fix, this is the Dead of the Wynn! How many fps have you now more 0,5 or 1 ???? Balance no way Cougar make 60-150 dmg on ppl in r95 heavy armor....
Befor you make this BS fix the Wynn there are a lot of bugs (Beastshots,Instancen ect ect)
with your serverdown w/o a Message you scammt me of a Nevits Rune
Does NC has to refund all those legit wynns for the NC Coin they spend? -> Probably not cause those coins were used for services already rendered. They didn't take back the xp you gained with all the xp items now, did they??
Well if u purchuased an item before this ugliness and it would affect your next week of playing then yes they have to refund it. In fact for your information the ppl who feel they did not receive the service they paid for they can always ask for a refund at paypal or the bank. Its like when they cancel your flight. You can ask for a refund if u payed online.
lol then why do I have no problem soloing with mine? Given I started with basic gear and I used light armor and STILL managed it. Now I have Twilight heavy,twilight jewels,Apoc duels,augmented pirates hat,twilight shirt and a HP belt. If you can't solo with an Iss and manage to heal yourself and carry HP pots then you have a major problem. I do my kartia solo and swampland no problem
I can solo its just not fun with a non DD. I can do Kartia easily. FYI i can do kartia easier with ISS than with wynn (both TW poth Apoc wep). And that was before this patch. As for the balancing...
So what is the stats and changes we are getting? Will we get skill reduction time and such so we can actually compensate for the losses we are taking? Will we get more skills for pets so we can do some more damage than just the regular damage and cougar bite and initial pounce? You think we are going to just take it that you boost the summons some? and be happy and live with it?
To avoid some what of a bunch of angry gamers you might wanna post a reply with something about it and what the changes are and not a regular HERE you go LIVE with it! Since i doubt a lot of people will continue to play our Wynn's since NC has made the char unusable.
I can solo its just not fun with a non DD. I can do Kartia easily. FYI i can do kartia easier with ISS than with wynn (both TW poth Apoc wep). And that was before this patch. As for the balancing...
Well in the comment I quoted previously you said you could not solo with an Iss, which literally meant you couldn't and now you say you can? Which one is it then?
Us customers deserve respect, and we're talking real money.Yes ofc and I didn't dissagreed in this. I also know the game needs ppl who buy things in the store, if noone would do, server would get down. All I said is, buy reading the server rules and store item descriptions, it is a risk you take of your own, since I didn't saw anywhere a rule which said *If there is a bug from the server side, you get a refund for your lose* :)
Like my internet provider would never pay back my money if I would have no acces cuz a failure which was their fault. So a refund would be what I call a good service, but still noone of us have a right to get it :)
Well in the comment I quoted previously you said you could not solo with an Iss, which literally meant you couldn't and now you say you can? Which one is it then?
I cant solo doesnt mean im not able to. I mean i cant im bored im done with it i dont wanna how else can i describe. I cant solo as effectively as a DD. Does it matter anyways? Is it so important right now?
The only answer we have for those questions currently is what we posted before: the change reduces lag and Korea decided to sent it to us first. If we get more information and answers on this we'll update you.
why u have this forum if u are never possible to answer on anything?
why every time u restart server something is broken after? What u doing with the money from l2 store isnt that more u gain then p2p? since u launched this f2p and another company is on charge now u are destoroying daily this game.
Yes ofc and I didn't dissagreed in this. I also know the game needs ppl who buy things in the store, if noone would do, server would get down. All I said is, buy reading the server rules and store item descriptions, it is a risk you take of your own, since I didn't saw anywhere a rule which said *If there is a bug from the server side, you get a refund for your lose* :)
Like my internet provider would never pay back my money if I would have no acces cuz a failure which was their fault. So a refund would be what I call a good service, but still noone of us have a right to get it :)
Actually we do have the right to get it. We payed for something which we didnt get.
So what is the stats and changes we are getting? Will we get skill reduction time and such so we can actually compensate for the losses we are taking? Will we get more skills for pets so we can do some more damage than just the regular damage and cougar bite and initial pounce? You think we are going to just take it that you boost the summons some? and be happy and live with it?
The changes will be the same that those announced for 05 September patch, look on announcment page and you should find the thread explaining it :)
But as it was stated by most wynn those chose are only worth for 95/96+ summoner, because you still loose a lot of DPS before that (and i'm only talking about the pve part)
Okay I've received some clarification from QA. Unfortunately my previous statement was a miscommunication; the stats have increased in our testing server because we're checking the full patch notes for the Wynn Summoner changes, however they have not yet been applied to the live servers. I apologize for the misinformation given on that note; what you are seeing on live servers is correct for the time being: fewer servitors but with no stats increase. The other changes, such as servitor stats increase, unfortunately cannot be applied to live servers until next maintenance on Wednesday, September 19, due to remaining severe issues (bugged instances like we saw last week) with the rest of the build those files are bound to. :( I'm afraid for this next week Wynn Summoners' servitors remains as they are currently. I realize this is bad news and it may be an especially bad week for Wynn Summoners because of it; we sincerely apologize for this inconvenience, and we hope that once the patch is implemented with no errors Wynn Summoners may find the changes enjoyable after all.
Ok, last week you broke it, and last week you fixed it. What changed this week? You broke it today, fix it today. How can a actual MMO put out a faulty patch, then say "Oh well, we'll get on that next week". Does that make any kind of business sence? My thoughts, last weeks mistake caused a whole lot of over-time, of which you have no intentions of giving out again this week. So, that person or persons that put out this faulty patch thinking it was the key to mega-over-time are basically SoL. Bad luck for them, worse luck for us LoserSummoners(kinda like whoever said that first). But i really can't imagine Blizzard putting out a bad patch then saying, "Hey catch us next week". Nope, don't think that would happen. And for those that say, if u feel that way go play WoW. Well i never stopped. I play both, just this one more then the other. Might have a weeks worth of catching up on my Rogues skills coming up it seems. But no, my semi-perma-party needs its mighty dwarfette tank. So i'll emo my way thru a week of summoner blues, with hopes that NCSoft will fix my toon...NEXT WEEK, lol.
I've requested more details about the Wynn Summoner changes that will be implemented next week (such as what are the stat changes exactly, what other changes to servitors there are, etc) but I do not believe that info will be ready to share today. As soon as it is I'll compile a new list with the details for you. As always, if there is any news to share, I will post that as well.
Well usually when i get scewered I get a kiss. Not this time, what about my cp, they lose, my clan loses, and what problem with bosses. Kartia was fine after patch, epic spez was fine after patch. oh an btw I lagged more today than yesterday. But ofc reducing the amount of servitors fixed lag, NOT! All it did was piss off every legit summoner on the western servers, as for the others, they will just find another way to be non-legit.