After we looked into the matter of the Wynn Summoner changes having been implemented in today's emergency maintenance (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=245406), it was learned that these changes were fundamentally linked to the raid boss buff, which caused login issues for many players since last week's maintenance. Therefore, in order to fix the raid boss buff and login issue, it was necessary for the Wynn Summoner changes to be implemented. We sincerely apologize for the confusion, short notice, and mixed signals about these changes in the past week. This strange experience has impacted NCsoft West staff as well and we are seizing this opportunity to revise our current methods in order to improve them and avoid situations like this in the future.
In regards to an explanation about the Wynn Summoner changes and why they are being implemented before Korea: the Wynn Summoner changes were made in order to further balance the classes. Also, fewer summoners reduces the amount of lag that many servers (including those in other territories) have seen; it was deemed important that certain territories such as ours receive this change sooner rather than later. Korea plans to implemented them onto their servers in the near future.
Note that although the Wynn Summoner changes first arrived on our servers last week on September 5 along with other changes, it is only the Wynn Summoner changes that are being applied today (see update below). The other changes are separate and are still expected to be implemented in the near future.
*Update* Upon review and implementation, it was clarified that only the servitor reduction Wynn Summoner change was implemented. The stats boost to the servitors, and other Wynn Summoner changes will be applied next week on September 19, 2012.
Due the new ninja patch, wtf fix, bug, lame excuse or whatever you wanna call it, let's discuss what you gonna do now, since it's cleary a bugged patch again, tell us how this change will influence your/your cp gameplay. A remind for another players willing to troll, we're discuting about the nerf (summons cut in half with same stats as before)
I had a 89 healer which I quit because my cp needed a Summoner, and now Im almost 96 like my all people from my cp and Im pretty sure that any 95+ class output my dmg.
Mind adding an option such as "Good luck with the poll"?
As for the original options.
1. Was said to balance things out
2. Aint gonna happen
3. In the not so far future, changes like this will be coming either way
4. If you can't cope with new things, better play something else
5. same as point 4
If it is to leave 2 sumonners, kindly improve status. Who uses the same feel aggrieved due to failure to have the same status and less sumonner.
With that done, nobody else will want to play with this class. It may even appear a fool to come here or another talk that okay and all, before that happens, **** it for those who come with wisecracks.
I hope to resolve this issue soon, either in skill, status sumonner what is necessary to do something bad fast.
I find i pretty funny that people who play summoners could not see how broken the class is and act like they didnt see this coming.What i find even funnier is that NC soft says this change was made because of lag and that its a good thing if people arent playing so many summoners???
Try banning bots and the lag would be gone.Before GoD launched not a single person would attempt to bot and this went on for a good 3-4 months before the patch.The GM's policed the server and NOBODY botted.What is the excuse now??
Summoner has been way too overpowered....but they could have just reduced damage and adjusted in other ways.. not taken away summons.It makes their survivability so much less.If 1 cat dies they have a big cooldown to resummon and everything will go pear shaped for them if they dont keep that other summon alive.Maybe when they add the new awakened summoner classes things will balance out as they adjust them, but right now especially without the summon stat bonuses...they really have slapped every summoner in the face.That is like what, 90% of the population??
To those that roll flavor of the month classes to be overpowered....you got what you deserved and i honestly hope you wasted so much time and money leveling and now feel like a *******.To those who just love playing summoners and have even when they have been gimp in the past...i am sorry about the changes and hope future content boosts you up againto a REASONABLE level of power in both pve and pvp.
To those that roll flavor of the month classes to be overpowered....you got what you deserved and i honestly hope you wasted so much time and money leveling and now feel like a *******.To those who just love playing summoners and have even when they have been gimp in the past...i am sorry about the changes and hope future content boosts you up againto a REASONABLE level of power in both pve and pvp.
Summoner wasnt so op that they need to do this, my main char is a wynn, and i like the class a lot (THE ORIGINAL CLASS). And i dont understand why ppl say that all the server were wynns. At my lvl 93 atm, i usually get party for all the instances quick, because the server (dead server, but server) bartz is lacking on 90+ wynns and healers. MOST OF THE SERVER IS PLAYING TYR, and this update give more damage to the tyrs....
I got others chars to play (othel and tank 89, healer, iss 87) but sucks when some "ultra smart" person choose to destroy a class.
Want to reduce lag, just go an ban all the bots on all major towns (is nto so hard the bots usually got names like fdasjfhaskfha asuhfcxnzc fuiahfksam and keep shouting like idiots selling adena for real money) or go to antharas lairs, where they farm adena and vesper stuff. Hell, if the nc soft ppl would give a even were you could see the gm baning bots, only for fun i will be doing that event... sadly is more important to have gm runing with zariche or the other hard to write sword instead of doing the job of punish players that make the game real UNBALANCE...
I'm gonna fight for a change class and if that dont happen them im just finally going to quit L2 all together.
And to all you HATERS in this thread...you obviously dont play a Wynn and have no idea what its like....you cry over powered yet you are the one who picked your class and have no idea how to play it clearly. All the parties I have been in I have never heard someone cry..oh no we dont want the wynn they are over powered, so enjoy the groups now with no wynns.
As I said before, this problem can be easily solved:
- Double the HP/P. attack/M. attack/P. def and M def of the summons.
- Bear must have 2 summons points instead of 3
- Double the power of servitor heal
- Decrease the re-summon time to 10-15 seconds
Although I don't play a summoner myself, I can only point out the obvious: In order for someone to decide, he needs to have all the facts. This means that you should wait for the next week's maintenance, check all the changes, see if you can fit your gameplay to them and then decide.
Although I don't play a summoner myself, I can only point out the obvious: In order for someone to decide, he needs to have all the facts. This means that you should wait for the next week's maintenance, check all the changes, see if you can fit your gameplay to them and then decide.
What he said. I'm gonna continue playing as usual Tyvm.
Where's the most used option: I'm gonna cry cause I'm as weak as other classes now.
I'm gonna fight for a change class and if that dont happen them im just finally going to quit L2 all together.
And to all you HATERS in this thread...you obviously dont play a Wynn and have no idea what its like....you cry over powered yet you are the one who picked your class and have no idea how to play it clearly. All the parties I have been in I have never heard someone cry..oh no we dont want the wynn they are over powered, so enjoy the groups now with no wynns.
Actually, it's those like you who bandwagon an obviously OP class who have no idea how to play. There's always been a chunk of players that hop the F1 type of class in every update since 2004. DE Feohs whined the same way about Empowering Echo, yet everyone (including them) knew it's op and was going to be fixed.
Mine's an 86 alt that just sits there unplayed anyways, so I'm not as emotional about this.. but I'm also now not in any rush to jump on it again. The way I see it, it is what it is, and they're gonna do what they want, why fight the machine? Sux, but w/e imo.
Welcome to lineage2 where the community thinks you are crying when you find out something is changed that effects the choice of your class.
Your join date is 2005, so you should know very well how many changes and power shifts happened since then. Every big new update brings a new OP class. It used to be archers, then nukers, then kamaels, and so on. You know all this, and we all know that the balance of power between classes will keep changing in the future. Someone's always on top, until his time is over and another class takes over.
Change is coming with September 19 maintenance. :rolleyes:
You don't know the stats as those who were there last week knows. And before lv 95, it's really far far far away from a fair changement. Or perhaps do you things that 2 cougars with 8k patk are better than 3 with 6.9 or 2 reapers with 20k matk are betters than 3 with 15K.
Don't talk without knowing please, most of people wich were happy last week were 99 or, at less, 97+ -_- .
Your join date is 2005, so you should know very well how many changes and power shifts happened since then. Every big new update brings a new OP class. It used to be archers, then nukers, then kamaels, and so on. You know all this, and we all know that the balance of power between classes will keep changing in the future. Someone's always on top, until his time is over and another class takes over.
Maybe so but I don't remember wynns being op. Also my point is when you comment on anything you are crying, or at least this community would like to believe it.
Thats because wynn isnt OP, the ones that cry QQ saying they are Over powered are the ones that CLEARLY dont know how to play L2 much less their OWN class, its pretty funny TBO!
You don't know the stats as those who were there last week knows. And before lv 95, it's really far far far away from a fair changement. Or perhaps do you things that 2 cougars with 8k patk are better than 3 with 6.9 or 2 reapers with 20k matk are betters than 3 with 15K.
Don't talk without knowing please, most of people wich were happy last week were 99 or, at less, 97+ -_- .
You know, I actually read posts. Sace said that the second part of Wynn Summoner update will become live on September 19.
I don't have a habit of reading non-existent stuff.
As I said before, this problem can be easily solved:
- Double the HP/P. attack/M. attack/P. def and M def of the summons.
- Bear must have 2 summons points instead of 3
- Double the power of servitor heal
- Decrease the re-summon time to 10-15 seconds
Don't tell me!
Change is coming with September 19 maintenance. :rolleyes:
Yes, I hope these changes, we have 2 summons, the only way to balance this mess is doubling their stats:
- 2xHP, 2xPatk, 2xMatk, 2xPdef, 2xMdef, so we will have 2 summons that are equivalent to 4 summons.
- We need to summon at least a bear + a DPS summon, so bear having 2 summon points is a must.
- We need to have the power of servitor heal doubled to compensate the doubled status of the servitors, because if it isn't, healing the summons would need 2x more MP and 2x more time if the healing effect wasn't doubled.
- the re-summon time must be the half(15 seconds) to compensate, because if 1 summon dies, it's the same as 2 summons dying, so we need the half of the time to re-summon.
If these changes won't happen, then just delete wynn summoner from the game and give the players a free class change, because wynn is already dead.
I plan to keep on playing... NCSoft will always nerf one class or the other and we will always cry about the change, no matter how insignificant Summoners are now.
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I'm gonna fight for a change class and if that dont happen them im just finally going to quit L2 all together.
And to all you HATERS in this thread...you obviously dont play a Wynn and have no idea what its like....you cry over powered yet you are the one who picked your class and have no idea how to play it clearly. All the parties I have been in I have never heard someone cry..oh no we dont want the wynn they are over powered, so enjoy the groups now with no wynns.
xD i cant belive finaly someones speak with the tru xD so funny think that we were most wanted class for intances and partys and now thos guys who nobodys knows..... say 4 summoenrs = lag wynn=overpowerd ? its like wTF are u serius? what about before lineage 2 was freya or gracia ..... there was not wynn but they got same overpower chars with the propety buff and on the right hands even a propeth could by deadly....... the points is overloards are one of most overpowered chars i the whole history troug the history he can tank heal assits buff debuff.... i never say somone saying fu k off overlord are op take them away and make it a peasy of cake..... like you have done with sumoners dears customers of ncsfot.... so why you guys have done this to us ? ? first reason that you claim is lag? for the love of jesus! if 4 sumons lag your patetic machine them buy a better one serius if rly ncsfot want reduces lag maybe lowered the animation or grapics system.... and off course remobe ban all whole botters in each server.....i thing i have never been see a gm in game and i mean never so how they could by speaking about balancing and lag? if they dont play ? ? or just log in ? and move a around? ? at last 2 bot i n each town and like 10 in each level zone spamming chat? will thos the reason of the laG? maybE?? good work genius ncsoft u ruined l2 ..... this is why people goes away to pirate servers they never do this kind of things btw thx for that suport lestrange
I played with my Othell Rouge when they were really bad, because I like the class, then they made it a little tweak and were better .. is the time and I still can not find party fast, but I keep playing because I like this class.
Wynn can do pvp 1 vs 1 and still *******. the Othell Rogue in 1 vs 1 is still at a disadvantage.
I played with my Othell Rouge when they were really bad, because I like the class, then they made it a little tweak and were better .. is the time and I still can not find party fast, but I keep playing because I like this class.
Wynn can do pvp 1 vs 1 and still *******. the Othell Rogue in 1 vs 1 is still at a disadvantage.
If you're good enough with rouge and get your equipment in order you can easily 3 shot wynns.
As I said before, this problem can be easily solved:
- Double the HP/P. attack/M. attack/P. def and M def of the summons.
- Bear must have 2 summons points instead of 3
- Double the power of servitor heal
- Decrease the re-summon time to 10-15 seconds
Give to summoner and his pets ud skill 1' with reuse 1'' also too?
I find it really strange that a summoner with dyes and good equip has same m.atack as a nuker PLUS the pets/transfer pain/debuffs and skills.Maybe devs transfered the soultaker into the summoner class?maybe necros should awaken into summoners because an awaken necro IS the awaken summoner?But necro,was a nuker and should awaken as a wizard,summoners should stay summoners.
Or a few hundred million and a brain.
u said 'get ur gear', and now u say few hundred?
yeah...few hundred....
* specter dagger/specter dual daggers cost sooo few right?
* make them +4 (ty im not dagger cos with my luck could take 10 bewr)
* Baium and QA (sooo cheap those too ah?)
* Dyes
make a good dagger (beside the brain of who play it ofc) dont take few hundred millions.
Is like now only wynn need all, you really wanna tell me that for make a good wynn you need more then a dagger?? with the patch (and talking about pvp only), you can skip to buy bow, so the only cost is (talking of 95 lvl):
* Seraph
* specter retributer
Wynn dont need epics cos dont transfer to summons, actually i dont even care of dyes.
Comon, stop say those crap, in terms of money daggers cost way more.
u said 'get ur gear', and now u say few hundred?
yeah...few hundred....
* specter dagger/specter dual daggers cost sooo few right?
* make them +4 (ty im not dagger cos with my luck could take 10 bewr)
* Baium and QA (sooo cheap those too ah?)
* Dyes
make a good dagger (beside the brain of who play it ofc) dont take few hundred millions.
Is like now only wynn need all, you really wanna tell me that for make a good wynn you need more then a dagger?? with the patch (and talking about pvp only), you can skip to buy bow, so the only cost is (talking of 95 lvl):
* Seraph
* specter retributer
Wynn dont need epics cos dont transfer to summons, actually i dont even care of dyes.
Comon, stop say those crap, in terms of money daggers cost way more.
You don't need specter daggers. You do not need +4 daggers.
Baium and QA are pretty cheap in comparison to full r95 equipment
There is no bow nerf in glory days. The current casting speed nerf is now on crossbows as well. This has been explained to you guys by too many people, too many times.
Wynns do need epics, and the more expensive ones, for their debuffs and resistances. just because epic effects don't transfer to servitors doesn't mean your some immortal player than can't be touched unless the summons die.
You may not care about dyes, but everyone else who pvps and cares about maximizing pve does. However, you don't need them on a dagger to kill players in a few hits when you're not running around with non english speakers at level 90 and up to level with the rest of the pvpers at 95+.
Each class cost as much as you want to invest into them.
Give to summoner and his pets ud skill 1' with reuse 1'' also too?
I find it really strange that a summoner with dyes and good equip has same m.atack as a nuker PLUS the pets/transfer pain/debuffs and skills.Maybe devs transfered the soultaker into the summoner class?maybe necros should awaken into summoners because an awaken necro IS the awaken summoner?But necro,was a nuker and should awaken as a wizard,summoners should stay summoners.
Lol Atarth, the person you have in mind, Does not have good equipment... He has imposible equipment that cant be obtained ingame... moreover, same equipment on a mage give far better m attack than on wynn...
Full blessed set +6/ full blessed new epics/ +10 r99 weapon is not good equipment. is just IMPOSIBLE.
Also,no, Summoners are only good at pvp 99+, before that 2 healer party set up makes them obsolete in pty vs pty pvp.
Lol Atarth, the person you have in mind, Does not have good equipment... He has imposible equipment that cant be obtained ingame... moreover, same equipment on a mage give far better m attack than on wynn...
Full blessed set +6/ full blessed new epics/ +10 r99 weapon is not good equipment. is just IMPOSIBLE.
Also,no, Summoners are only good at pvp 99+, before that 2 healer party set up makes them obsolete in pty vs pty pvp.
PS: Lol irene, mh les mlkies :P
And from what we see,everyone is 99 or close to 99 so we concetrate on endgame toon and summoners with the incredible pve boost from their class skills+transformation stats are the ones that sell all the powerlvling ect,not only 1 summoner has the gear you mentioned and all of them are with +6 blessed robe sets and ++++ blessed weapons,istina epics ect even if they started game less than 1 year ago.
Nscoft original team used to balance the power in classes making some class good to make money but weaker for oly/pvp.
Definitely need to scale up the healing considerably that is for-sure. When it takes like 15 heals to fill a bear to full health its a little rediculous. While a summoner should not out heal a high dps class like a archer/warrior/dagger/wizard it should deffinetly be able to keep up reasonably. It seems currently that unless you have a party of people with you that healing is unreasonably slow. The servitor heal needs to come up so that a magic crit will heal about 1/2 of the life... and a regular heal about 1/5th or so. Whats so interesting about it, is the game allows for damage in the area of 20k+ from archers in PVP on a buffed target.. but allows for only a 1500 heal on a pet with 50k HP? lol. Seems a little stupid if you ask me.