Till today I thing that this is mainly PvP oriented game. Today I make a daily quest in swamp and want some fun during farm so if I see any char running around me I flag him. Only for fun,for fight no matter the result. Result was - 5xBSOE,2X soe, 4x they stop and wait. Only one guy go to fight - he lose I ress him and we fight one more. I lose. So result? He and I write gf I buff him and wish gl. No hate or trashtalk.......
OMG people you don't loose any exp in this time so make a little fun: )
The only reason you do not lose XP is because of the current event, once it is over you will lose XP again when killed. I never PvP in L2 so I do not care about that part of the game, I would rather grind and do quests insteaf od fighting with other players... I get enough of that with bots.
Till today I thing that this is mainly PvP oriented game.
Many ppl like pvp, others do not. So join a good pvp clan, fight with wartags and dont bother others who dont care about you, about pvp, etc... Very simple.
No hate or trashtalk.......
Again, join big pvp clan - you will be tired of hate and trashtalk from your wartags. If you will be strong enough to kill them, ofc.
OMG people you don't loose any exp in this time so make a little fun: )
Till today I thing that this is mainly PvP oriented game. Today I make a daily quest in swamp and want some fun during farm so if I see any char running around me I flag him. Only for fun,for fight no matter the result. Result was - 5xBSOE,2X soe, 4x they stop and wait. Only one guy go to fight - he lose I ress him and we fight one more. I lose. So result? He and I write gf I buff him and wish gl. No hate or trashtalk.......
OMG people you don't loose any exp in this time so make a little fun: )
Well, I don't know why they bsoe -maybe they thought they got hit by a wartag, in that case (getting ganked while solo on swamp) they had about 2-3 seconds of life so it's natural to push bsoe. Knowing it's not war I would use the event (or salvation :P) and let the guy go red on me.
Anyway, I think that you got that whole pvp idea wrong. The biggest difference between L2 and other MMO is that in L2 pvp is for a reason, not for the sake of it.
Sure.... I don't force anybody to PvP, only give them chance to fight with somebody who want fight also if they want . Join PvP clan - it's my plan but when I have adequate lvl/gear or with full CP. Until that time I must work on self to be competitive. But it isn't reason to complete ignore PvP aspect of game - it's a part of it. Sure that most of players are Pve oriented,but I don't understand what will they do if somebody wants to take their spot. They say....OK it's yours? Or fight? Hope they will fight.......
Well, I don't know why they bsoe -maybe they thought they got hit by a wartag, in that case (getting ganked while solo on swamp) they had about 2-3 seconds of life so it's natural to push bsoe.
It's natural reaction to push bsoe while been attacked by wartag? Wartag with equal lvl/gear 1vs1 isn't (for me) reason to push bsoe. Being ganged is reason to fight......
Anyway, I think that you got that whole pvp idea wrong. The biggest difference between L2 and other MMO is that in L2 pvp is for a reason, not for the sake of it.
For many ppl the reason can be to have funny competition with others. It's not about ego,but that's the way to improve their skills.... so I don't think that my idea is completely wrong.....
It's natural reaction to push bsoe while been attacked by wartag? Wartag with equal lvl/gear 1vs1 isn't (for me) reason to push bsoe. Being ganged is reason to fight..
Regardless of main topic.
If you for some reason exp solo, and you are in clan, who has many wars, far more then clan handle or enemies are well organized (do gank only in parties) it is better bsoe then stand fight and lose exp / CRP.
Did someone really bsoe during an event that has no exp loss? LMFAO! I wish you could show a video or pics.
During the event period, the following server settings are in place:
No XP Loss Upon Death: You can die without losing XP! This setting is made to encourage competition and PvP between players over who can deal the killing blow to the Cursed Sword and claim the best reward.
It's natural reaction to push bsoe while been attacked by wartag? Wartag with equal lvl/gear 1vs1 isn't (for me) reason to push bsoe. Being ganged is reason to fight......
Idk from ur experiences, but what I've seen so far, low lvls ones have no chance against wartags, simply 'cause generally they wont go fight against one in the same lvl of them, but against a awakened 1-shooter. This.
I don't judge anybody.....everyone have his own playstyle, his own interest in game. Last time when I use bsoe was around 3year in past when I missclick in inventory. It's my nature.....I know about witch situation You speak,but from my point of view - who go hunt to low lvl area to be as You say 1-shooter is lazar. No matters if they are wartags there.Maybe I'm from other space.....fight with honour and with respect to enemy.....witch deserved to be respected
Did someone really bsoe during an event that has no exp loss? LMFAO! I wish you could show a video or pics.
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In clan wars, during regular pvp when you get rez you not loose exp anyway.
Exp is not a problem.
If you keep fighting and you die after all, it can be called brave good fight.
But if you just dying again and again it is called stupidity ..
If you dying at solo spot killed several times by enemies ganking you it is called CRP farm.
So BSOE is not about loosing exp but rather counting chance of success. If it is zero why clan is going be punished?
When you are fragile class in most cases being gank it means you have 3-4 sec max to survive.
Enemies come in parties with focused dmg and only tank can look around to check if hit is done by single target or rest is running behind :p
If you keep fighting and you die after all, it can be called brave good fight.
My point of view +1
If you dying at solo spot killed several times by enemies ganking you it is called CRP farm.
If wartag party gang me repeatedly and I see zero chance to fight with them,so it's time to form my own party to challenge. Not time to drop it.
When you are fragile class in most cases being gank it means you must have opened your eyes a not see only mob. Especially when you are in war state.....
players don't walk around picking fights for kicks. There's as said a reason for it. wartags, raid boss,xp spot or something of purpose. With the pk system like it is most people do not want to fool around and end up red. It's not the easiest to wash karma now and you don't get xp trying to work it off.
You want pvp then join a pvp clan,do the COC,Olympiad and sieges.
If this game had better bot and third party program use monitoring more people would pvp. But what's the point these days of fighting botted toons on ranger? You're gonna lose and just hear them smack talk about how horrible you are when they just had to push a few buttons to beat you.
Exactly, and they'll log in help if needed and then tell you how much you suck still.
I knew there was a reason I never bothered with PvP in this game. :D
If this game had better bot and third party program use monitoring more people would pvp. But what's the point these days of fighting botted toons on ranger? You're gonna lose and just hear them smack talk about how horrible you are when they just had to push a few buttons to beat you.
first chronciles were all PvP. Hell, you would die just sitting in the road getting a coke break.
Maybe after the 5th one or so where they stopped you from draggin all the rooms in witches, etc. and the removal of the drops on death, yea, PvP kind of changed. Now this last update, where getting rid of red you can't even farm the bots anymore. Sad really cause at least we could clear our own area.
first chronciles were all PvP. Hell, you would die just sitting in the road getting a coke break.
Maybe after the 5th one or so where they stopped you from draggin all the rooms in witches, etc. and the removal of the drops on death, yea, PvP kind of changed. Now this last update, where getting rid of red you can't even farm the bots anymore. Sad really cause at least we could clear our own area.
LMAO someone from the OLD school Lineage 2! i'm impressed
I think its funny that anyone in this game or any game that interacts with a single other human being doesn't want to consider it to have a aspect of fighting with each other......
This game was a pvp orientated "game" and losing xp and ground and pretty much everything in pvp is just the nature of the beast lol I remember when they actually patched in a reduced XP lose for anyone over lvl 76!
The pvp element in Lineage 2 is dead and there's a lingering memory of it out there, now you have to be in a clan that is warred and be either at a fight or get jumped for anyone to even consider flagging back. And the part that stings the worse for me in-game was the removal of going red, its impractical now...I remember grieffing ppl for either taking my room in a necro or cata when i was afk or just to get that nasty long pm about how I fail at life and need to leave my moms basement! well jokes on you now I've moved to the second floor! I really hope they bring it back so maybe we griefers can thin out the herd a little. Too many soft skinned players who dont want to defend themselves, also look at it this way; if I can grief easier it forces more ppl to spend money on brez and bsoe and drives gear evolution so they don't end up dead again to me eh? think about that before you cry about getting PK'd
I recall dropping my, just crafted, Blue Wolf Boots in Antharas lair after a MoB wiped our 9 man group. Then having to cross my fingers and hope the boots would still be there as a TH Silent Moved back down to the bridge to retrieve them. Yeah, times are always changing and so will this game.
This game has been handed down to no lifing kids. Kids like to talk trash. Playing an MMORPG game will become obsolete and will become strictly PvP based with little chat interaction. The sense of fair play, honesty and purity of the game has become a baseless shadow of itself.
Once again, L2 is about politics and fight for resources. If you want to run around and smash random people like idiot, go play WOW.
And it was a pvp game since the day of it's creation, just some people (actually most people nowadays) don't understand what is pvp.
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L2 was made to be a MASS pvp game, it was not meant to be a one class is equal to another class or a 1v1 pvp game.
Also to people who say it is not a PvP game, it IS a pvp game, no ifs ands or buts. IF you choose to not pvp and get pked or accidentally flag and get killed dont QQ over it, and same goes for the other side of the argument which is if people decide not to fight you because again not every class is equal in this game some classes just out match others 1v1, then dont qq.
But I like your attitude. Join a pvp clan, get you a little crew going and fight wartags. have fun