Lab Test 56 - Damage and XP Penalty

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~Request by Shear~
Testing: Damage penalty from level difference on mobs of level 85 or higher.
Question: By how much is damage reduced when hitting a mob that is higher level than you?
Suggested method of testing: A level 90 character (Iss Enchanter) hitting (with the skill "Death Strike" lv.4) a test target (NPC/mob) of progressively higher level (but same P. Def.), from 90 to 99.
Reason: We know there's a penalty, but not how high it is. Practical tests here suggest different results than old Korean tests, too.
Character: Orc Iss Enchanter
Weapon: Apocalypse Dualsword
Armor: None
Buffs: Heavenly Cocktail
Vitality: Yes
Skill: Deathstrike lvl 4
Enemy: Triol's Trooper (level 99)
Results:
Level 88 - 0 XP | 0 SP
Level 89 - 8,649,980 XP| 667,386 SP
Level 90 - 248 Damage| 8,649,980 XP| 667,386 SP
Level 91 - 277 Damage| 8,649,980 XP| 667,386 SP
Level 92 - 313 Damage| 8,649,980 XP| 667,386 SP
Level 93 - 360 Damage| 8,649,980 XP| 667,386 SP
Level 94 - 423 Damage| 8,649,980 XP| 667,386 SP
Level 95 - 510 Damage| 8,649,980 XP| 667,386 SP
Level 96 - 639 Damage| 8,649,980 XP| 667,386 SP
Level 97 - 836 Damage| 8,649,980 XP| 667,386 SP
Level 98 - 1,042 Damage| 8,649,980 XP| 667,386 SP
Level 99 - 1,044 Damage| 8,649,980 XP| 667,386 SP

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Character: Orc Iss Enchanter
Weapon: Apocalypse Dualsword
Armor: None
Buffs: Heavenly Cocktail
Vitality: Yes
Skill: Deathstrike lvl 3
Enemy: Dartanion (level 85)
Results:
Level 85 - 3,413 Damage| 1,191,318 XP| 79,582 SP
Level 86 - 3,420 Damage| 1,191,318 XP| 79,582 SP
Level 87 - 3,428 Damage| 1,191,318 XP| 79,582 SP
Level 88 - 3,436 Damage| 1,152,522 XP| 76,990 SP
Level 89 - 3,444 Damage| 793,324 XP| 52,996 SP
Level 90 - 3,452 Damage| 503,306 XP| 33,622 SP
Level 91 - 3,460 Damage| 303,394 XP| 20,266 SP
Level 92 - 3,468 Damage| 179,334 XP| 11,978 SP
Level 93 - 3,476 Damage| 106,204 XP| 7,094 SP
Level 94 - 3,484 Damage| 63,736 XP| 4,256 SP
Level 95 - 3,492 Damage| 38,948 XP| 2,600 SP
Level 96 - 3,500 Damage| 0 XP| 0 SP
This doesn't seem right.

When I attacked a pink mob of a large level difference I still get exp but it is very low and it stayed low until I reached a certain level range of it where the exp remained constant for a few levels before decreasing again when the mobs turned a light blue/purple color.

Also the damage reduction of levels seems very off.

Does the Iss enchanter have the same stats each level? If not then the results are skewed and therefore invalid.
Indeed, I was under the impression that there is an XP penalty when you are killing mobs higher level than yourself, too.

However the damage penalties seem sort of consistent with expectations. I believe the character stats were not constant. However, as you can see from the second part of the test, that hardly makes any difference (at lvl99 the damage was not even 3% higher than at lvl 90).

Keep in mind though that it may make a difference whether it's normal hits, critical hits or skills.

Thank you for the test!
Indeed, I was under the impression that there is an XP penalty when you are killing mobs higher level than yourself, too.
Indeed, it exists, I've observed it in places like Fortuna. Though I can't say what's the exact xp penalty, since I didn't write down the numbers nor calculated the differences.
Though being in party and killing raids may have some separate xp weighing.
Something seems wrong here. Even exping in swamp I've noticed that from 85-88 is very slow, but once you hit 88 the exp picks up since you're closer to the mobs level. Granted I'm killing the yellow and pink mobs down in the south, which could be a factor though if there is no exp penalty there should not be.
and penalty of drops u can make some test?
and penalty of drops u can make some test?
That's a bit more difficult to test, but you do get a penalty for drops after 3 levels.
Something seems wrong here. Even exping in swamp I've noticed that from 85-88 is very slow, but once you hit 88 the exp picks up since you're closer to the mobs level. Granted I'm killing the yellow and pink mobs down in the south, which could be a factor though if there is no exp penalty there should not be.
thats because

85 > 86 = easy
86 > 87 = easy
87 > 88 = almost equal to 90 > 91
88 > 89 = wtf lol easy (alot less xp needed)
89 > 90 = easy

there few bottle neck lvl's that require more xp then the other lvls for some odd reason
thats because

85 > 86 = easy
86 > 87 = easy
87 > 88 = almost equal to 90 > 91
88 > 89 = wtf lol easy (alot less xp needed)
89 > 90 = easy

there few bottle neck lvl's that require more xp then the other lvls for some odd reason

yes 87>88 has a much wider xp window then the lvls around it.
this is normal. long ago there was a 2x lvl that needed way less xp to pass then the lvl before it.
Something seems wrong here. Even exping in swamp I've noticed that from 85-88 is very slow, but once you hit 88 the exp picks up since you're closer to the mobs level. Granted I'm killing the yellow and pink mobs down in the south, which could be a factor though if there is no exp penalty there should not be.

Are you testing the exp per mob? Or the % you get each mob? Level 88 takes less exp than 87.
thats because

85 > 86 = easy
86 > 87 = easy
87 > 88 = almost equal to 90 > 91
88 > 89 = wtf lol easy (alot less xp needed)
89 > 90 = easy

there few bottle neck lvl's that require more xp then the other lvls for some odd reason

87-88 is about the same as 89-90 btw... Took about 2-3 hours to do 87.5-88 and 4 hrs to do 89.5-90....
87-88 is about the same as 89-90 btw... Took about 2-3 hours to do 87.5-88 and 4 hrs to do 89.5-90....

May i ask where you were leveling from 89,5-90
Here is the exp needed for the levels around 88.
86-87 8.207.524.971
87-88 14.341.344.002
88-89 9.969.088.216
89-90 18.392.059.298
90-91 22.570.174.524

As u can see, 88 to 89 takes about the same as 86-87. for some reason the developers desided to throw us a bone on that level.
Erm, there might be some confusion here, but I assume when we're talking about an XP penalty we're talking about absolute numbers, not "how fast I'm leveling". So, nothing to do with XP required to level up...
Here is the exp needed for the levels around 88.
86-87 8.207.524.971
87-88 14.341.344.002
88-89 9.969.088.216
89-90 18.392.059.298
90-91 22.570.174.524

As u can see, 88 to 89 takes about the same as 86-87. for some reason the developers desided to throw us a bone on that level.

Those numbers are wrong (at least on NA servers). I couldn't check every lvls, but I'll try to do it when I stop being lazy and xp my Iss to 89/90 (or maybe someone else can participate).
Except my main char lvl 91, I have chars lvl 85, 86 and 87, all with at least 5% and no clan. When they die they lose 1%. And with a 100% rez (Aeore's or Brez) you can know how many is 1% and so what's the xp needed to go to next lvl.

lvl 1% xp with 100% rez => XP TNL
85 65 885 140 => 6.588B
86 98 490 299 => 9.846B
87 172 096 128 => 17.209B
88
89
90 309 000 000 * => 30,9B *
91 371 918 310 * => 37.2B *

*XP for 90 is from memory, and I'll check for 91 next time I die but it's something like that (maybe 38B).

And for what I remember, lvl 88 and 89 weren't easier than 87, but maybe not so different.
Erm, there might be some confusion here, but I assume when we're talking about an XP penalty we're talking about absolute numbers, not "how fast I'm leveling". So, nothing to do with XP required to level up...

In my case it is the same.. Killing exactly the same number of mobs in the same amount of time with the exact same amount of exp boosts. Kartia 85 group always has the same amount of mobs.. If you kill them all instantly you have to wait on respawn.

I solo'd group kartia 85 with my iss... Kartia 90 is not as efficient for 91+ as kartia 85 was for 87-90.
Those numbers are wrong (at least on NA servers). I couldn't check every lvls, but I'll try to do it when I stop being lazy and xp my Iss to 89/90 (or maybe someone else can participate).
Except my main char lvl 91, I have chars lvl 85, 86 and 87, all with at least 5% and no clan. When they die they lose 1%. And with a 100% rez (Aeore's or Brez) you can know how many is 1% and so what's the xp needed to go to next lvl.

lvl 1% xp with 100% rez => XP TNL
85 65 885 140 => 6.588B
86 98 490 299 => 9.846B
87 172 096 128 => 17.209B
88
89
90 309 000 000 * => 30,9B *
91 371 918 310 * => 37.2B *

*XP for 90 is from memory, and I'll check for 91 next time I die but it's something like that (maybe 38B).

And for what I remember, lvl 88 and 89 weren't easier than 87, but maybe not so different.

I remember comparing % amounts from the swamp quest at GoD release with people that were different levels. I can confirm that 88 is much easier than 87. I have a level 88 if you want me to kill it and test the exp from brez.
make sure that the toon your killing does not have a clan with clan luck. also make sure the person dies from a mob to make sure its 100% xp loss.

also for those xping and saying how long it takes. the amount of xp you aquire is always different according to the levels of the party memebers. if a lvl 90 is in party with lvl 99s, killing lvl 99 mobs, the lvl 90 will get the least amount of xp, and as he levels he will get more. and the 99s will get less, untill he gets 99 and the xp they all gain will equal out.
And for what I remember, lvl 88 and 89 weren't easier than 87, but maybe not so different.

88-89 is in fact easier than 87-88.

Saw this on 2 chars i lvled.
make sure that the toon your killing does not have a clan with clan luck. also make sure the person dies from a mob to make sure its 100% xp loss.

also for those xping and saying how long it takes. the amount of xp you aquire is always different according to the levels of the party memebers. if a lvl 90 is in party with lvl 99s, killing lvl 99 mobs, the lvl 90 will get the least amount of xp, and as he levels he will get more. and the 99s will get less, untill he gets 99 and the xp they all gain will equal out.

I'll have to do tests tomorrow.. I had based my findings from comparing the percent gained from the swamp quest (147 million exp or whatever).

I have level 85,86,87,88,91,93 toons I could test but the 91 and 93 are in clan/alt clan with clan luck so they aren't as testable. I remember stumbling upon an exp table once upon a time that was correct (not what Korea or Taiwan got which is different than what we got), but my search has come up empty handed. I think L2wiki has an exp table but alas if that's the site I am thinking of it is wrong as well.
This dmg penalty that i see,does it apply in pvp also? If yes,same %?
That's one a friend found once GoD went live. Tho there been talks about ~ +25% XP needed here at NCWest.
Should been from Russian PTS back then.

http://www.l2-united.com/download/file.php?id=1

Unable to see the picture since you need to be signed up for that page.
An attemp to make some sense out of the data...

Level 90 248 Level Difference
Level 91 277 11,69% 8
Level 92 313 13,00% 7
Level 93 360 15,02% 6
Level 94 423 17,50% 5
Level 95 510 20,57% 4
Level 96 639 25,29% 3
Level 97 836 30,83% 2
Level 98 1042 24,64% 1
Level 99 1044 0,19% 0


Percentages indicate the damage increase (not the penalty decrease) that you can deal on every level you get.

So if you are 90 and (supposing) all bosses in Fortuna are 95. You should expect an increase in your damage output by around 25% on every level you get till you reach 94.


Correct me if I am wrong please.
87-88 is about the same as 89-90 btw... Took about 2-3 hours to do 87.5-88 and 4 hrs to do 89.5-90....


How can you do 50% that fast from 89.5 to 90??

- Where did you XP?
- How big your party level was (Approx.)
- Is it hard or easy?
How can you do 50% that fast from 89.5 to 90??

- Where did you XP?
- How big your party level was (Approx.)
- Is it hard or easy?

200% xp runes, full vit. probably harnaks 3rd floor or soa aoe grp.
This dmg penalty that i see,does it apply in pvp also? If yes,same %?
Curious about that too.

Does it look like this in PVP?:
If I hit a lvl 99 PC, I hit for the following % of my actual damage?:

MY LVL / DAMAGE / X% DAMAGE
Level 90 248 24%
Level 91 277 27%
Level 92 313 30%
Level 93 360 34%
Level 94 423 41%
Level 95 510 49%
Level 96 639 61%
Level 97 836 80%
Level 98 1042 100%
Level 99 1044 100%