lately and I feel like not playing, by the change they did to summon, and now these changes ... the healer is immortal and looks like a feoh wizzard, now the tank will not let you stun, silence, and others,(tank is tyr warrior too?)(hit me very hard as a tyr warrior 7 k , 8k for hit)(skills reuse from tank do not let you do anything) before he could kill him, but now a lvl 90-95 - kill me (im wyyn summoner lvl 98) and stop playing by switching to my class, now I'm back and I have no chance with any of these classes
Aqua, start with another toon, a tank or a healer. Some day the wynn will be again a good DD. I also remember when I had my 3 pets and high attack power. (or 4 in your case)
both of those skills you are talking about doesnt affect pvp but pve!!!!
and second my friend, start watching oly matches, beause a wynn can easilly take a healer down, and against a tank.... its a 50/50 chance if you ask me, trust me, wynn summoner got stronger in oly with the 2 pets, and in pve they are really good aswell.... mass pvp, well, it never was good to beggin with so i dont really see your problem complaining about a class that was boosted... then again if you dont really believe it, just watch olly matches... watch the olly hero fighting (i donnu in what server you are) and then plz come here and post again saying how wrong you are!
MM, i am a wynn and just hit 95 a days ago so i cant say a lot but:
Against a aeore is hard on oly because of the high reuse time of the marks, but you can kill them.
I did some pvp and duels against tanks 96 and win all of them. In olys i didnt register since hiting on 95, but at lvl 93 i ended taking one of the 10 spots of the wynn class. I dont have seraph or anything, even my armor is TW light (dont have the adena to buy a robe), but i feel that in pvp 1 against 1 wynn still can beat well others. It sucks going against tanks because of the stunt rate they got and the silece, but you can allways run until debuff are off...
Against a healer, if you got luck enought and get the binding the healer can be killed fast.
With the news pets you deal less damage on pvp (yea, even if the matak of the reapers is really high) but the hp they got let you live longer thanks to the transfer pain. For my short exp on pvp (i started pvp since lvl 93) i see that i deal more damage with the skill i got (marks, exile....) than the damage the pets do.
One think i dont like is the healers playing with heavy and shield, and of course knight harmony. The new knight give to much shield rate to a class that shouldnt be able to use a shield and that sucks.
BTW, in livindor, the reuse of the marks get down to 5 secs and debuff duration is 10 secs, all pets will hit harder, so before you change the class i suggest you to hit 99 and play the dual class you got, so when livindor hit you can rock again.
And yes, on party pvp i feel like wynns sucks, more against a 2 healer pt. On pve after the Raidboss event, i can say that wynns still deal a LOT of damage against raidboss (best exp i got was allways in pts of 3-4 wynn)
lately and I feel like not playing, by the change they did to summon, and now these changes ... the healer is immortal and looks like a feoh wizzard, now the tank will not let you stun, silence, and others,(tank is tyr warrior too?)(hit me very hard as a tyr warrior 7 k , 8k for hit)(skills reuse from tank do not let you do anything) before he could kill him, but now a lvl 90-95 - kill me (im wyyn summoner lvl 98) and stop playing by switching to my class, now I'm back and I have no chance with any of these classes
yes you are right, you should quit. i know many will start sympathizing with you and scream at me, but before you do that hear me out. you are a level 98 and no matter what class you are, a level 90 shouldn't be able to beat you with any class. now that said, lets get to the root of this and find out what the real problem is...
i for example made my warsmith back in C4, others started their healers back in lets say beta and others their tanks in C1, just as examples. all those players and mine included (and i hope you agree on that) had 8 years of pure suffering! suffering to get XP, suffering to survive any PVP unless it was in group, suffering to get points in oly, suffering to PVE, etc. each class in its own way.
at the same time with every chronicle you have people jump on the bandwagon and re-roll to a class that seems dominant in PVP. most of the times it used to be archers, from like C1 to 1st throne or so. there was interruptions where the prophets "ruled" or daggers, then it was healers and after daggers and archers again, WC/OL had like half a year shining and so on. i think it was in interlude when summoners had their period and where shining and counted as unbeatable except against healers... and then there is always those that come back into the game and shout "hi guys! i am back! i haven't played for x years, can someone tell me whats the strongest class in pvp now is?"
point is, you can jump on the bandwagon and re-roll. may be unhappy playing some class you never liked but be for that be dominant in pvp OR play what you enjoy and just be happy as a baby can be. there will be always ups and downs. for me the game consists of three parts: pvp, pve and trade. i am saying this since eight years now and pointing out that if it wouldnt have all three of those parts to me anymore then i would quit.
the big question is ...if players like you should jump on the bandwagon, re-roll or quit.
now that all said, the real winners in this game are the ones that play the class they enjoy playing most.
lately and I feel like not playing, by the change they did to summon, and now these changes ... the healer is immortal and looks like a feoh wizzard, now the tank will not let you stun, silence, and others,(tank is tyr warrior too?)(hit me very hard as a tyr warrior 7 k , 8k for hit)(skills reuse from tank do not let you do anything) before he could kill him, but now a lvl 90-95 - kill me (im wyyn summoner lvl 98) and stop playing by switching to my class, now I'm back and I have no chance with any of these classes
Your this upset that I smoked you three times in a row in open PvP yesterday?
really, I could care less about all this QQ wave from wynns (until when, dear Lord?), but what psss me off is the fact 99% of these "true" summoners of nowadays did not even played this class before GoD came out with all its shine. And I dont talk about pos-h5 or smtg, but even before, back in days when there wasnt augments, 3rd skills servitors, talismans or "share", where all you had to rely was a ***** tiny servitor, some cubics that never would work properly and a TP skill that would drag all your mp to zero before you could blink your eyes. This IS the annoying factor when you see all this drama made around wynns nowadays.
(and this being said from a SE lover-'n-player since the times when her most excitant skill being a healer/support mashup was dryad root and wind shackle. think about it)
lately and I feel like not playing, by the change they did to summon, and now these changes ... the healer is immortal and looks like a feoh wizzard, now the tank will not let you stun, silence, and others,(tank is tyr warrior too?)(hit me very hard as a tyr warrior 7 k , 8k for hit)(skills reuse from tank do not let you do anything) before he could kill him, but now a lvl 90-95 - kill me (im wyyn summoner lvl 98) and stop playing by switching to my class, now I'm back and I have no chance with any of these classes
As a wynn summoner you should not be getting destroyed by tanks, you should be having pretty good fights with them but if you play intelligently you should come out on top a majority of the time.
Vs healers, well unless they're stupid or they get too greedy you're not going to kill them 1v1. But they won't be able to kill you either unless you are stupid or get too greedy. The difference is, in a fight between two good players, if the healer gets a luck streak with crits and debuffs the healer still won't kill you. If you get a luck streak with crits and debuffs you will possibly win.
Im glad your back!! leblanc was doing a terrible job at playing your toon while you were away. But getting smashed by Rodah is not indicative of most tanks. He's not so much of a tank, but a demi god.
I too would love to find you in open pvp and have some "fun".
Dont cry, summoners are still good and can still do a lot of damage, you're just not doing it right.
summoner is THE class to beat tanks and healers. ever seen level 96 Kohek on Chronos beat top-geared tanks and healers with +16 weapons and blessed jewels? sounds to me like you need to play better.
The few characters you're competing against have collective 10s of billions of adena invested in them. +10 or more blessed weapons, Rulers Authority, +10 frenzy/UD skills, Castle Owner cloak, +7 elemental shirts, Epic talismans, Passive and active reflect augments. Say nothing of boss jewels and +6 armor sets.
We're talking PvP dmg bonuses of +30% damage, and PvP dmg reduction on par with with 20%. Dmg reflect upwards of 90%.
Tanks and healer competitions on Bartz are becoming increasingly competitive far more than you remember. It isn't so much they've become overpowered, but rather you've been away too long.
The few characters you're competing against have collective 10s of billions of adena invested in them. +10 or more blessed weapons, Rulers Authority, +10 frenzy/UD skills, Castle Owner cloak, +7 elemental shirts, Epic talismans, Passive and active reflect augments. Say nothing of boss jewels and +6 armor sets.
We're talking PvP dmg bonuses of +30% damage, and PvP dmg reduction on par with with 20%. Dmg reflect upwards of 90%.
Tanks and healer competitions on Bartz are becoming increasingly competitive far more than you remember. It isn't so much they've become overpowered, but rather you've been away too long.
did you not read that kohek is lvl 96 with half geared crap and he beats maxed-out tanks and healers? lol
summoner is THE class to beat tanks and healers. ever seen level 96 Kohek on Chronos beat top-geared tanks and healers with +16 weapons and blessed jewels? sounds to me like you need to play better.
This need a big +1. Isnt the case of aqualmarine since he dont know even to pve without help :D, now u must considerate that is hard to find a 98 lvl wynn in ur hands without know how to use it.
did you not read that kohek is lvl 96 with half geared crap and he beats maxed-out tanks and healers? lol
Good for him?
I was speaking for Aqual. He used to have a mirage/trick augment which allowed him to avoid the issues, but when it was hotfixed a few months back he lost favor and left for awhile.
He basically needs to rethink his old strategies, as you suggested.
As a wynn summoner you should not be getting destroyed by tanks, you should be having pretty good fights with them but if you play intelligently you should come out on top a majority of the time.[...]
come and get some, i show you!
I lol'ed reading this post.
summoner is THE class to beat tanks and healers. ever seen level 96 Kohek on Chronos beat top-geared tanks and healers with +16 weapons and blessed jewels? sounds to me like you need to play better.
nope, never seen that and highly doubt that in a 1 vs 1.
a tank just dont have the enough amount of mp for beat a summoner on equal condicions of gear...
you are so wrong. didnt you know that +6 R grade armor got 64.5 mp per tick regeneration on tanks? IF you exile a tank, they regenerate about 1k MP during that time and you most likely doing the a favor by doing so.
nope, never seen that and highly doubt that in a 1 vs 1.
you are so wrong. didnt you know that +6 R grade armor got 64.5 mp per tick regeneration on tanks? IF you exile a tank, they regenerate about 1k MP during that time and you most likely doing the a favor by doing so.
obviously you haven't done any oly lol. kohek consistently beat lootness, karigan, and 1-1 with psychotic. have you even fought him before? where is your hero glow if you can do things that those 3 tanks cannot do?
why would i praise him if he's at war with me? obviously he's doing something right.
now take note: summoners just need to survive to beat any tank/healer.