Double SA Apo Slasher

Tyrr Warrior Started Last reply 40 posts
what best double sa for apoc slasher ? haste + damage up, haste + focus, damage up + focus
it depends on what race you are, because they are different needs.

Kamael : damage up + focus.
Human: haste + damage up
Dwarf: haste + focus or haste + damage up
Orc: haste + focus

and the orc not sure yet.
it depends on what race you are, because they are different needs.

Kamael : damage up + focus.
Human: haste + damage up
Dwarf: haste + focus or haste + damage up
Orc: haste + focus

and the orc not sure yet.
Always focus + haste !

Dmg up is such a small boost. Not worth dps wise. And dmg up doesn't rly add any noticeable difference to skill dmg for pvp (which i prefer dual swords health+haste)
Haste+Focus is the only sensible option.The difference is so notable that you cant miss it.
can anyone chime in with stat comparison with and w/o those SA's?
I have used a Specter Slasher with out SA and now Have one with 2 Haste and Focus. I can tell you that the difference both PVE and PVP wise are amazing. I have a crit rate hat as well and with party solidarity lvl 3 and Bear cry my crit rate is about 460, my attack speed is 1360 and my attack speed with lightning lvl 3 is 10k+. All that and +10% pvp damage, I think enough has been said.
ty for all help , i choose focus + haste ^^ .
Damage Up is useless for Tyr Class

Haste+Focus all the way.

Stats from Tyr 91 without dyes and Tank Aura:
(Wyns see and cry :p)

http://i45.tinypic.com/o547qc.png
Aaliyah, crit rate pendant+ istina ring?
Aaliyah, crit rate pendant+ istina ring?

Yes
+Augment ~27 crit rate

But without talisman as you can see
Ye, i was comparing with my tyrr and thot something was off, but makes sense.
why crit rate if tyrrs are skill spammer machines...
why crit rate if tyrrs are skill spammer machines...

You "spam" mega-strike on monsters?
why crit rate if tyrrs are skill spammer machines...
My pve dps is much higher with Bear Cry and maxed crit rate as if i would spam skills.
You "spam" mega-strike on monsters?

and you waste a lot of money in a pve build? you will reach 99 killing mobs single target?
and you waste a lot of money in a pve build? you will reach 99 killing mobs single target?
Guess you aren't rly 97+ or?
Guess you aren't rly 97+ or?

nono he's actually 99, and he hit it extremely fast. Guess why he doesn't know what we talking about.

And pve build is not expensive. cause you can just sell it later and get pvp build.
nono he's actually 99, and he hit it extremely fast. Guess why he doesn't know what we talking about.

And pve build is not expensive. cause you can just sell it later and get pvp build.
Well even then i wonder how he hit 99. Cos mostly the way to go at SoH is single target kill.
Damage Up is useless for Tyr Class

Haste+Focus all the way.

Stats from Tyr 91 without dyes and Tank Aura:
(Wyns see and cry :p)

http://i45.tinypic.com/o547qc.png

My Warrior Dual at 85, with Vesp Noble and +4 Blessed Apo Duals Damage/Haste had 8k.. with about the same buffs. No Dyes also. You're using TW?
TW Heavy+3
Apocalypse Slasher +6
Clan skill Might lvl 2

Also mdef is low because of Frintezza/AQ
My Mdef is prolly lower :)

Still doesn't explain low patt difference, I will try to replicate those buffs. :)
(Wyns see and cry :p)

i dont get it, i have some p.atk/crit rate/attack speed on one cougar without forces and pt solidarity, with buffs lvl 1...
i dont get it, i have some p.atk/crit rate/attack speed on one cougar without forces and pt solidarity, with buffs lvl 1...
Guess it's time to remove one more Summon then :p
i dont get it, i have some p.atk/crit rate/attack speed on one cougar without forces and pt solidarity, with buffs lvl 1...

538 crit rate here under loyalty:p
i dont get it, i have some p.atk/crit rate/attack speed on one cougar without forces and pt solidarity, with buffs lvl 1...

Many Reasons

1st The better the gear/ lvl the more all classes benefit compared to servitors

2nd AQ+Bear Totem = 45% extra crit power than your servitors.
(That alone compensates the dps of the 2nd cougar)

3rd Survivability. Tyr doesnt die in the middle of a raid..non stop dps
(And with spammable stun & knock down/disarm can save lifes)

4th Passive Resists.. Tyrs dont get stun/sleep like its some kind of candy.

Armor Destruction benefits the whole pt.

Tyrs dont have pve penalty when hitting raids.

Tyrs dnt have pvp penalty.
Many Reasons

1st The better the gear/ lvl the more all classes benefit compared to servitors

2nd AQ+Bear Totem = 45% extra crit power than your servitors.
(That alone compensates the dps of the 2nd cougar)

3rd Survivability. Toesnt die in the middle of a raid..non stop dps
(And with spammable stun & knock down/disarm can save lifes)

4th Passive Resists.. Tyrs dont get stun/sleep like its some kind of candy.

Armor Destruction benefits the whole pt.

Tyrs dont have pve penalty when hitting raids.

Tyrs dnt have pvp penalty.
Nope...
same on pets with normal healer, they die just on istina ...
pets stil do more dmg...
i dont tell tyrr is useless, same as daggers debuff for +input crit dmg its realy increase summons dps
i know just 1 raid who spam stun and all pt got it with same chance, tyrrs and my pets ... and i know one raid who use sleep, stil i can use cleanse or hit they to wake up...

PS: i dont tell tyrr have bad dps, they have awesome pvp dps, but for raids there are better dd's...
Maybe I exaggerated on 45% crit dmg boos being the same as a 2nd cougar.
Which can be boosted for an extra 15%. (- Istina+Baium+Talisman)
And if you take into consideration Armor Destruction....

In the whole having a Tyr in a pt over a Wyn offers more dps to the party in total.

That is the reason why wyns should cry.
Well... yesterday I made some tests..

Lvl1 ISS Buff + Challenge Aura
With Ogre I usually go to 8.9k patt(+9 Apo weapon)
With Bear I usually stay stay at 8.6k patt.
The +9 Blessed Apo Slasher? ;)
The +9 Blessed Apo Slasher? ;)

Dunno.. but probably! :D
Dunno.. but probably! :D
Then just a probably GZ :p
Maybe I exaggerated on 45% crit dmg boos being the same as a 2nd cougar.
Which can be boosted for an extra 15%. (- Istina+Baium+Talisman)
And if you take into consideration Armor Destruction....

In the whole having a Tyr in a pt over a Wyn offers more dps to the party in total.

That is the reason why wyns should cry.

oh how strong you are... mby developers remove some p.atk, crit rate/power from tyrrs? they are realy so imba...
oh how strong you are... mby developers remove some p.atk, crit rate/power from tyrrs? they are realy so imba...

I wouldn't mind much, I don't have a main char.
(...and I am saying much because I dont like nerfs in general on any char)


Its true that wyns on lower levels and gear are OP pve masters but things change as people start putting dyes/ using talismans/epics/augmenting/over enchanting gear.

It has been like that for years in this game. Summoners benefit from servitors. DD classes benefit more from stucking stuff and over enchanting.

At least this is how I see things. It's not like "I have tyr - I am super strong"
tyrrs are the worst pve /rb of all DDs...
god ...do you want compare tyrrs vs cougars in pve dmg ?...
My tank main yesterday at a point had almost 11k patt.. :)

Yes.. I tanked Tuna with 2H weapon and no shield.. :P

So.. ignore cougars and Tyrrs.. and take tanks instead!
My tank main yesterday at a point had almost 11k patt.. :)

Yes.. I tanked Tuna with 2H weapon and no shield.. :P

So.. ignore cougars and Tyrrs.. and take tanks instead!

You haven't seen Phoenix Knight with Dynasty Crusher Rsk Focus :p
Where's the SS? :)
Where's the SS? :)

You should post SS of a yestrday "thing"
Phoenix Knight is history I dont keep that old SS.
I have pics from C3.. so.. GG :P