Lol, what kind of fail is that?
Wasn't there once something like "we don't sell power at the L2 Store" ? ;)
BTW: Lf DEWR in the Shop, have to OE some stuff :rolleyes:
They will never learn since no one in NC west plays that game, thats why there is so much trash in l2store that no one will ever buy, and thats why they now put epics there (and thats why they investigate bots for weeks while a player who plays a game see an obvious bot in 1 minute)
and whats wrong with those shadow epics? i think it's ok. or you want spent some $$ and sell those epics for adena? ))
if you know how to play yo can easy farm those 3bil for aq baium and zaken in half year. even CoC earrings with resist knockback/knock down and resist/attack aerial yoke is better than zaken, and mdef.. almsot 2x more. +3 coc earrings R grade = +6 twilight earring. and still have 1more mdef than tw :D .
lol thats a nice item indeed!!! you pay for em and all you can do is get 6 months of epics for pvp! in oly those can't be used, in pvp they dont have such awsome mdef that are usable! in what this affects the game plz?
ps: do people actually forgot they already have a 30 days AQ + 30 days Baium in the path to awakening? this is not such a big deal lol!
I'm lf "no-ban rune [?] - Allow player to bot withoug game master or game guard check", I want join bot partys at GF (yes! I want to be a hero!) but I have fear of ban. Where I can found this rune?
I'm lf "no-ban rune [?] - Allow player to bot withoug game master or game guard check", I want join bot partys at GF (yes! I want to be a hero!) but I have fear of ban. Where I can found this rune?
add instant hero rune and we will have many heroes , add instant 99 and full gear+rb juve items and skills +++
when u gonna put the real ones that dont expire? tell us, so i can manage my money to pay to win.
The game is F2P and that means something. These shadow items are nothing, they gave free AQ for a month on path to awakening, you don't see anyone crying about it. If you want to win, you better get real items and not shadow items that you will lose in 6 months and in 6 months a new update is coming and God knows what will happen to epics then.
This doesn't change game play.
LOL.. yet another fail.
When will they learn... ?
F2P means also they need to earn some money in order to pay. If you look at what NCWest is making is nothing to what they have to pay. NCWest is bad for this company, they only keeping it alive to not let down thousands of players and look bad.
My opinion is these items don't affect the game play at all. I wouldn't buy them, I rather farm my own. These are for those who can't farm anything, can't trade, can't do nothing to this game so basically they don't enjoy it and they need things immediately by paying, well I say go with it. Keep paying so we can play and enjoy our loved MMORPG. I quit lineage 2 some months ago and I came back cause I can't resist this game. I know it has some cons but the pros are much better in my eyes. I love this game.
The game is F2P and that means something. These shadow items are nothing, they gave free AQ for a month on path to awakening, you don't see anyone crying about it. If you want to win, you better get real items and not shadow items that you will lose in 6 months and in 6 months a new update is coming and God knows what will happen to epics then.
This doesn't change game play.
F2P means also they need to earn some money in order to pay. If you look at what NCWest is making is nothing to what they have to pay. NCWest is bad for this company, they only keeping it alive to not let down thousands of players and look bad.
My opinion is these items don't affect the game play at all. I wouldn't buy them, I rather farm my own. These are for those who can't farm anything, can't trade, can't do nothing to this game so basically they don't enjoy it and they need things immediately by paying, well I say go with it. Keep paying so we can play and enjoy our loved MMORPG. I quit lineage 2 some months ago and I came back cause I can't resist this game. I know it has some cons but the pros are much better in my eyes. I love this game.
I don't think that this shadow epics with inadequate price plays an important role in current state of affairs of Glory Days update:
1.They are temporary(180 days)
2.They have low m.def
3.Its impossible to enchant them
4.Its impossible to use them in battleground pvp(olympiad)
5.It will be impossible to upgrade this epics in lindvior update, because they are temporary
Better to spend money to another new products:
Heavenly Cookies:
- CP Cookie gives to you +20% CP for 1 hour. Its impossible to lose this buff except changing subclass/dualclass
- Magic/Defence/Attack Cookies gives to you same buffs as Harmonies for 1 hour. Its impossible to lose this buffs except changing subclass/dualclass
NCsoft hasnt cared in years.. its just a paycheque, they have lost touch.
This choice is a great one though on ncsoft's part, it means NOTHING and they get paid. Anybody who is going to use these to win in PVP and for any other purpose but leveling faster is deluding themselves.. those of us who are actually good at lineage2 know immediatly that the mdef and non enchantable nature is pretty much a GG to competative PVP. lewl at kids who fork over the 6k~ coins and get smashed repeatedly.
NCsoft hasnt cared in years.. its just a paycheque, they have lost touch.
This choice is a great one though on ncsoft's part, it means NOTHING and they get paid. Anybody who is going to use these to win in PVP and for any other purpose but leveling faster is deluding themselves.. those of us who are actually good at lineage2 know immediatly that the mdef and non enchantable nature is pretty much a GG to competative PVP. lewl at kids who fork over the 6k~ coins and get smashed repeatedly.
^ THAT :) first thing I thought was wow what a joke and I bet a lot of morons have already bought them.
NCsoft hasnt cared in years.. its just a paycheque, they have lost touch.
This choice is a great one though on ncsoft's part, it means NOTHING and they get paid. Anybody who is going to use these to win in PVP and for any other purpose but leveling faster is deluding themselves.. those of us who are actually good at lineage2 know immediatly that the mdef and non enchantable nature is pretty much a GG to competative PVP. lewl at kids who fork over the 6k~ coins and get smashed repeatedly.
so 30% more dmg is nothing?
please, read the first post before post nonsense.
if u never had a boss jewell, please, dont coment at all.
u heard correct. also, for those who dont know, your str stat affects the rate that skills crit.
just to prove the point:
99 tank, clan hall lvl 2 iss buffs and warrior harm, skill used +0 Last Judgement on clan hall npc
Last Judgement no Baium:
Min DMG: 12131
Max DMG: 14285
Average over 10 crits: 13166
Last Judgement with Baium:
Min DMG: 12213
Max DMG: 13893
Average over 10 crits: 13106
% Difference: ~0.05%
White Attack no Baium no RSS:
Min DMG: 4575
Max DMG: 5393
Average over 10 crits: 5072
White Attack with Baium no RSS:
Min DMG: 5379
Max DMG: 6404
Average over 10 crits: 5986
% Difference: ~15.0%
i did the test to give u numbers. the person who told me this prior to my own testing also told me the rings affect dagger skills only. i havent tested that, but since this person was correct on them not affecting any other physical skills, i will take his word for it. u can do your own testing.
if u white attack, the crit dmg matters and is useful for classes that do alot of white attacks. the mdef still blows on them tho and anyone who wore one against a feoh should have their head checked.
30% more damage on white attacks only. if u fight a non nuking class its worth it to wear them. in general open pvp/oly/coc/etc they arent worth the hit on mdef loss. also, the shop jewels cant be enchanted, worn in oly, and arent permanent.
the ppl saying this arent randoms, they are people who are 97+, end game and pvping daily
u heard correct. also, for those who dont know, your str stat affects the rate that skills crit.
just to prove the point:
99 tank, clan hall lvl 2 iss buffs and warrior harm, skill used +0 Last Judgement on clan hall npc
Last Judgement no Baium:
Min DMG: 12131
Max DMG: 14285
Average over 10 crits: 13166
Last Judgement with Baium:
Min DMG: 12213
Max DMG: 13893
Average over 10 crits: 13106
% Difference: ~0.05%
White Attack no Baium no RSS:
Min DMG: 4575
Max DMG: 5393
Average over 10 crits: 5072
White Attack with Baium no RSS:
Min DMG: 5379
Max DMG: 6404
Average over 10 crits: 5986
% Difference: ~15.0%
i did the test to give u numbers. the person who told me this prior to my own testing also told me the rings affect dagger skills only. i havent tested that, but since this person was correct on them not affecting any other physical skills, i will take his word for it. u can do your own testing.
if u white attack, the crit dmg matters and is useful for classes that do alot of white attacks. the mdef still blows on them tho and anyone who wore one against a feoh should have their head checked.
seriously, wat
What does this have to do with crit damage multipliers...? And about STR, you're late. That was conducted looong ago. Old news.
What does this have to do with crit damage multipliers...? And about STR, you're late. That was conducted looong ago. Old news.
Aparently my 12k crits from CC, and 6k without CC must be a bug! Call NC suport!!!!
im saying, if u do skills to do dmg, there is no 30% increase on the dmg of skills when they crit from wearing aq/baium, unless u are a rouge.
dont believe me, i dont care. the numbers i posted were just taken today on a skill critting and the difference between critting with baium and without baium
I think this is a false detection. Maybe your brain didn't comprehend it when I wrote "I wouldn't buy them" and "I get everything on my own because I like to enjoy the game." I guess in Brasil you don't finish reading before posting.
I have purchased something from the l2store though, a stone of destiny around 5-6 months ago and that's the only thing.
So this skill Last Judgement is critical at 100% rate ? :>
No, but it can crit. Rate of succeeding a critical attack doesn't affect how a physical crit dmg modifier from the AQ/baium applies to the damage applied to your target. Not performing a crit in every use just means u have to sit and spam the skill on th npc in town to get the sample size you need.
I used the skill repeatedly on the clan hall npc, only writing down the damage value when the skill actually crit. I did this with the same weapon/gear/buffs/toggles for both cases. The only difference was for 1 set of criticals recorded the baium was equipped, the other set it was not equipped. Both sets of data had the exact same number of critical attacks recorded (10) to get a wider range for the average. After this was done there was only a 0.05% difference in the damage given to the npc on a crit with the same skill when comparing a baium equipped vs it not equipped.
I then did the same test except for white attacks. The difference in critical damage was 15% pretty much on the dot, which is what it is supposed to do.
The only "skills" that get the crit damage bonus are dagger stabs, or so I'm told. I have not tested that myself.
This is not a skill landrate or skill damage increase topic.
Please stay talking about sell shadow boss jewells and future plans about +++shadow weapons in L2Store.
This is not a skill landrate or skill damage increase topic.
Please stay talking about sell shadow boss jewells and future plans about +++shadow weapons in L2Store.
It actually is on topic as it is a topic about how the crit damage modifiers of 2/3 of the shadow items being talked about apply to your damage in game. Most people wear them solely for these crit damage modifiers. Understanding how they work may save people ncoin.
Edit: and the primary consensus was that these jewels were trash and a waste of money.
Still i think NC shouldn't sell such things.
Same for Enchant Scrolls even if it's D-S Grade. Selling soulshots in the L2 Store cutted down already a lot of the crafting chars.
im saying, if u do skills to do dmg, there is no 30% increase on the dmg of skills when they crit from wearing aq/baium, unless u are a rouge.
dont believe me, i dont care. the numbers i posted were just taken today on a skill critting and the difference between critting with baium and without baium
Ofc i don't believe you, i already tested it.
No, but it can crit. Rate of succeeding a critical attack doesn't affect how a physical crit dmg modifier from the AQ/baium applies to the damage applied to your target. Not performing a crit in every use just means u have to sit and spam the skill on th npc in town to get the sample size you need.
I used the skill repeatedly on the clan hall npc, only writing down the damage value when the skill actually crit. I did this with the same weapon/gear/buffs/toggles for both cases. The only difference was for 1 set of criticals recorded the baium was equipped, the other set it was not equipped. Both sets of data had the exact same number of critical attacks recorded (10) to get a wider range for the average. .
EVERYBODY knows there is no jewel increasing crit chance on skills, why do you think anybody even considered this? This is known since these jewels are in the game. It's like saying the sky is blue out of nowhere. News flash!
EVERYBODY knows there is no jewel increasing crit chance on skills, why do you think anybody even considered this? This is known since these jewels are in the game. It's like saying the sky is blue out of nowhere. News flash!
Who is talking about either ring increasing crit chance on skills? I think u need to re-read what I posted because you are clearly not following.
And that's dandy u did a test. You provide no numbers/info to back up your "test". All you are trying to do is be a keyboard warrior but sadly u are failing at that due to your lack of reading comprehension.
u heard correct. also, for those who dont know, your str stat affects the rate that skills crit.
just to prove the point:
99 tank, clan hall lvl 2 iss buffs and warrior harm, skill used +0 Last Judgement on clan hall npc
Last Judgement no Baium:
Min DMG: 12131
Max DMG: 14285
Average over 10 crits: 13166
Last Judgement with Baium:
Min DMG: 12213
Max DMG: 13893
Average over 10 crits: 13106
% Difference: ~0.05%
White Attack no Baium no RSS:
Min DMG: 4575
Max DMG: 5393
Average over 10 crits: 5072
White Attack with Baium no RSS:
Min DMG: 5379
Max DMG: 6404
Average over 10 crits: 5986
% Difference: ~15.0%
i did the test to give u numbers. the person who told me this prior to my own testing also told me the rings affect dagger skills only. i havent tested that, but since this person was correct on them not affecting any other physical skills, i will take his word for it. u can do your own testing.
if u white attack, the crit dmg matters and is useful for classes that do alot of white attacks. the mdef still blows on them tho and anyone who wore one against a feoh should have their head checked.
This reminds me of a healer who bought Baium +QA...
The people who say these jewels are crap and do not matter are correct.
The people who are crying and saying these items will ruin the game are living in the past and are wrong.
That is all.
Its just a small temporary solution for oly fights vs fighters only and for killing rb.
Imo (in terms of fair play) all epics should be available for temp use. While power shirts, destruction enchants maphr shirts/runes and vit potions shouldn't.
Who is talking about either ring increasing crit chance on skills? I think u need to re-read what I posted because you are clearly not following.
And that's dandy u did a test. You provide no numbers/info to back up your "test". All you are trying to do is be a keyboard warrior but sadly u are failing at that due to your lack of reading comprehension.
So let me get this straight, you mentioned crit dmg from rings, doesn't afect crit dmg on skills unless from daggers, then you change the subject and you say STR affects skill crit rate chance (which has nothing to do with the subject at hand).
Then you put a test that isn't even ingame footage, no proof of anything here and claim it's like this without backing up anything.
Then you claim YOU haven't tested if it's only for daggers or not.
The only "skills" that get the crit damage bonus are dagger stabs, or so I'm told. I have not tested that myself.
So anything you have showed so far, is baseless and fake. Because you claim something and then say something diferent.
So let me get this straight, you mentioned crit dmg from rings, doesn't afect crit dmg on skills unless from daggers, then you change the subject and you say STR affects skill crit rate chance (which has nothing to do with the subject at hand).
Then you put a test that isn't even ingame footage, no proof of anything here and claim it's like this without backing up anything.
Then you claim YOU haven't tested if it's only for daggers or not.
So anything you have showed so far, is baseless and fake. Because you claim something and then say something diferent.
hmm, seems like you're just not understanding what he is saying so I will state it another way.
The crit damage modifers from the boss jewels in question (AQ/Baium) ONLY apply to white damage critical hits. That is, normal critical hits, NOT skills. The exception to this rule is dagger stabs which are actual skills. In the case of dagger skills, AQ and Baium do INCREASE the skills damage by the % indicated, 15% for each (with a wide margin of variation).
The test that was performed was meant to illustrate that these jewels DO NOT increase skill damage on non-dagger skills (Last Judgement tank skill).
The poster simply added additional information to further help the player base; that is, STR is the only thing that will increase SKILL crit rate/damage (double damage on a skill or instant re-use).
So let me get this straight, you mentioned crit dmg from rings, doesn't afect crit dmg on skills unless from daggers, then you change the subject and you say STR affects skill crit rate chance (which has nothing to do with the subject at hand).
Then you put a test that isn't even ingame footage, no proof of anything here and claim it's like this without backing up anything.
Then you claim YOU haven't tested if it's only for daggers or not.
So anything you have showed so far, is baseless and fake. Because you claim something and then say something diferent.
i showed how the rings do NOT affect crit dmg on a non dagger class. i then said, the person who informed me of this prior to me doing my own testing also said the rings ONLY affect dagger skills. i tested a non dagger class, and the person was correct. someone else needs to test if the dagger thing is true or not, as i dont have an awakened dagger and don't care enough to figure it out for that. everyone can do their own testing or accept it.
the str comment was just in general for ppl who didnt know, as the official site doesnt really explain very well anymore what the stats truely affect.
regarding in game proof, what kind of proof do u want? 20 different screen shots showing my inventory/buffs/currently equipped gear/etc? if anyone thinks im making stuff up, go test it. i did the test and gave numbers based on what i saw. if someone doesnt believe me, i dont care. do your own test and post screens that show i am wrong. i have no reason to go to all the trouble of writing that post up just to mislead a bunch of random people i dont know on the official forums about a B and S grade boss jewel.
and i have said the same thing the entire thread, u just cant read. these rings do not affect skill crit damage. i have been told they do affect dagger skill crit damage but have not tested it myself. every post states this.
you on the other hand have tried to go above and beyond to say im wrong, claiming i provided no proof, all while providing no proof yourself, no numbers, nothing.
edit: tl;dr version, see above post. rodah put it much better and more concise.
I'm so happy so many ppl that know nothing about game mechanics are busy in here.
Please keep buying these shadow epics, it will make it easier to see who the scrubs are, we can just do some aoe nukes and see who dies first.
As for whoever thinks white dmg with shadow epics behind them kill a healer, have fun with that, I have yet to die to that.
And no, I dont have 3k pvps, I play a healer. I have had old epics before though, but was smart enough to sell mine at the start of GoD. Right now im rocking an Istina Necklace, and working on maybe an Istina Earring. Not gonna equip anything lower than R-grade though, since I'm an actual target in pvp. Maybe the shadow epics are for ppl that never get targeted in pvp??
I don't see any reason at 85+ to wear something that low grade. Maybe on an alt or a sub,but I don't spend that kind of money on subs and alts. I'm going to bet this is a test sale and as I said you'll be able to buy a legit permanent boss jewel eventually. it's coming.
I don't know, what is so big deal, that they did put kind of Boss Jewelries to L2 Store what aren't able to use everywhere also are shadow items.
I saw items like this before in Korean and/or Russian L2 Store too.
It isn't business to them sell permanent jewelries also might be the rules doesn't allow to them neither.
I don't really see nothing bad in it if the NC make L2 Store tests/events like this.
Might be not the most powerful players will buy these items to make themselves invincible, but those players who are may new one and search some help for pve or pvp from L2 Store.
So this I guess just help to balance the power between the players, while the newer or poorer people be able to buy better gear or these boss jewelries in permanent form.
I don't know, what is so big deal, that they did put kind of Boss Jewelries to L2 Store what aren't able to use everywhere also are shadow items.
I saw items like this before in Korean and/or Russian L2 Store too.
It isn't business to them sell permanent jewelries also might be the rules doesn't allow to them neither.
I don't really see nothing bad in it if the NC make L2 Store tests/events like this.
Might be not the most powerful players will buy these items to make themselves invincible, but those players who are may new one and search some help for pve or pvp from L2 Store.
So this I guess just help to balance the power between the players, while the newer or poorer people be able to buy better gear or these boss jewelries in permanent form.
The big deal is that those jewels should never be that easy to obtain even temporary. Those were traditionally earned through doing epic raid bosses repeatedly for a lucky drop. There's no way those are meant to balance anything, you can't use the store jewels in the olympiad anyways. You OE them so they have low mdef. These would only suit people under 85 for PvE in my opinion. This stuff is there for the big spenders. People with disposable income.