With all these front page posts on the forums, by the looks of it with all the server trouble the complains with the ingame shop and the people not being able to shout till level 76, no feeling of accomplishment when you leven is just sad . I played since open beta to gracia final (made this account on l2forums cas l2blah died). I used to love this game now its just a private server. If only we could reset back to C1 or something without this fourth class change, all these people buying boss jewels (when i saw that i was like wow l2 is getting desperate for money now, and dont even care for the players) this game has just turned to absolute trash. Its the next city of heroes, free for two years then they shut down the servers. Also try this game guildwars2.com its actually pretty fun.
Let's put it this way: I play since 2004, since Prelude. Never took any longer break from the game. Since the last 1-2 updates, the game has gone to hell as far as any incentive to stay logged on longer than an hour max is concerned. Everybody is just jumping from daily instance to daily instance. I actually MISS the good old days of 4-5 hours of xp grind in a 9 man party, talking on vent about silly stuff. Now it's just "hi, lf 95 daily, ty, gn". Add to this the silly new clan war rules which are just heaven for griefers. So all I do these days is log on, do my solo kartia, look a bit at clan chat, and then I am off again. I think my toon has not even left town for 2 months now, simply because I am too bored to do anything.
And yes, a big +1 on Guildwars 2. It's actually a pretty fun game. Started playing that together with 2 RL friends who never played any mmorpg so far. They love it, too. Especially awesome is the "automatic delvl" when you enter lowbie zones so that you can redo events there and party with others who are lower lvl than you.
I would pay to play again if they just made a seperate server just starting from C1, or seperate servers to have that 1-7 year span of updates of chronicles.
Full of crap post of the new year. As with any update you will have things good and utterly bad. They will rework features and add new ones. Not everyone will be happy with the new update and many will love the new game. Bottom line is more clients are running and we have double the servers now than before GoD.
Actually not. It was funny in other way. Now only the pvp system is very bad, agree it is stupid. But hey, i dont need to be online 5-6 hours per day, some people play 12 or more hours... now i play 1-2 hours MAX and i skip days and i am progressing. I dont want game that will make me nolifer, i want to enjoy things little by little. Yes alot of bots today, but when i used to play back in Interlude the bots had clans even alians and i had to pay them so i can kill nobles boss. Wtf are you talking about??? Bots are the same. Just befor GOD people did not bot so much because people left l2 cuz it was boring and stupid > so bots stoped cuz noone buy their adena/chars/accounts. Now they are back into business because servers are well populated. You think only from your point of view. For me L2 is better now, ofcurs there are many things that need to be fixed, upgraded, etc but before GoD it was way more botting than now. I preffer to play 1 hour per day, then play 10 hours.
what make me sick is any OP asking for "C1" servers, when Sace stated early that NC has no plans to do that, just caring to move forward. As for GoD, we must to deal with it, with the lovers 'n haters holding hands.
Full of crap post of the new year. As with any update you will have things good and utterly bad. They will rework features and add new ones. Not everyone will be happy with the new update and many will love the new game. Bottom line is more clients are running and we have double the servers now than before GoD.
You know I quit few years ago being burned out from the need to grind at least 5-6 hours per day to get that 1%. In September I had plenty of time free in my workplace, so I decided I will DL the game and try it out. I heard it is free to play and it is totally new. I loved it from the first sight.
Much easier, you do not need to log in 2-3 additional boxes to play. You have quests that are actually doable. My mage does not recuire having the perfect nuker AoE party. You have a party matching system and it is easy to start a party. You have stuff to do. You can be casual and still progress slowly. You can be normal and do your exp parties after you finish with the dailies, and you can be hardcore. It is all by choice, but you still progress.
On top of that you have harder to play classes with a lot of skills. Yes, the game can be improved, but I love it so far. My only advice for the game developpers is to continue with the dailies and improve their rewards, so botting exp and adena farming is nullified. And ofcourse the classes needs better balance. For instance I was trying to make a Fortuna party yesterday and was looking for a healer and a tank. After I could not do it, I went to CoC and say only healers and tanks in there, the rest were afk.
Everyone got their own favourite updates.
What i find this game really boring at the moment comparing to old updates its this freaking instances. Sure they are good for easy exp/drops but is l2 really about this? To hide inside instances ? What i started to play this game it was for the open PvP. Fight for the exp spots, fight for the raids. It's just totally new game that isn't going in right direction in my opinion.
And i don't even wanna mention how unstable servers are compared to old days, and specially the lag. Some days it's not even playable.
I am afraid there is not much more NcWest can offer to keep alive servers.
I like the GoD update the reason I quit was the ******ed NCShop Items :). The ****** updates (Downgrades) , and the ******ed users with bots and pvp scripts :)
LONG LIVE THE POWER SHIRTS
LONG LIVE THE DOWNGRADES
LONG LIVE THE ***BOT_PROGRAM_NAME_HERE***
Have to agree with the op. High 5 was pretty sweet, NC was doing more events, the population was growing then the game went free to bot and there was a big update that made what you had done in the past worth nothing. On top of that GM's are not to be found because we'll take in-game petition out of game.
Bots have always been around no doubt, but they have NEVER been so fully accepted by players or by NC.
Let's put it this way: I play since 2004, since Prelude. Never took any longer break from the game. Since the last 1-2 updates, the game has gone to hell as far as any incentive to stay logged on longer than an hour max is concerned. Everybody is just jumping from daily instance to daily instance. I actually MISS the good old days of 4-5 hours of xp grind in a 9 man party, talking on vent about silly stuff. Now it's just "hi, lf 95 daily, ty, gn". Add to this the silly new clan war rules which are just heaven for griefers. So all I do these days is log on, do my solo kartia, look a bit at clan chat, and then I am off again. I think my toon has not even left town for 2 months now, simply because I am too bored to do anything.
This. This is how I feel.
I agree. This game has become so painstakingly boring and is essentially a money and time trap for everyone. This game is like having a very costly, high maintenance, selfish, unloving and mostly plastic girlfriend who you just can't seem to dump for some reason but you can't stand dealing with nonetheless.
With all these front page posts on the forums, by the looks of it with all the server trouble the complains with the ingame shop and the people not being able to shout till level 76, no feeling of accomplishment when you leven is just sad . I played since open beta to gracia final (made this account on l2forums cas l2blah died). I used to love this game now its just a private server. If only we could reset back to C1 or something without this fourth class change, all these people buying boss jewels (when i saw that i was like wow l2 is getting desperate for money now, and dont even care for the players) this game has just turned to absolute trash. Its the next city of heroes, free for two years then they shut down the servers. Also try this game guildwars2.com its actually pretty fun.
Two things:
1- I do not understand why the game is taking worst each day. If the players really don't like how lineage II is changing... why does NCsoft apparently close their ears and do what they want, no matters the consequences?
2 - I do not understand why the people call the free servers as "Private"... Maybe i had wrong the concept of private? Or maybe not?:rolleyes:... As i know the word Private refers to something that requires a payment, a requirement, or a kind of privilege to use its services or products. So, if the server is apparently free, it isn't private and about all the other unofficial servers (which i call crap and loser's servers), i think there's something wrong spelling "private" to refer or talk about unofficial servers, because they do no request any kind of payment, anyone can get for free in those servers, so they aren't private in fact...:) tell me if i'm worng!
sounds like the op needs to join a clan that actually does stuff together because we dont seem to have any trouble enjoying l2 even with all the bs people cry about.
2 - I do not understand why the people call the free servers as "Private"... Maybe i had wrong the concept of private? Or maybe not?:rolleyes:... As i know the word Private refers to something that requires a payment, a requirement, or a kind of privilege to use its services or products. So, if the server is apparently free, it isn't private and about all the other unofficial servers (which i call crap and loser's servers), i think there's something wrong spelling "private" to refer or talk about unofficial servers, because they do no request any kind of payment, anyone can get for free in those servers, so they aren't private in fact...:) tell me if i'm worng!
"Server emulator, a term that is widely used to describe reimplementation of MMORPG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMORPG) game servers, typically clones proprietary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software) commercial software by a third party. The term "private server" is also used while it may not be accurate as often the legitimate server is also privately owned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property). The private server is not always made by the original company, but usually attempts to mimic it in some way."
L2 seems to be losing players in Korea, it has lost many positions in the ranks in the past few weeks, most players who left went to ArcheAge(the new hot potato in Korea).
Even after Lindvior, the situation of L2 in east hasn't improved. I started thinking that there is no update that can save this train wreck anymore. I can see F2P coming to L2 in Korea soon.
This game died at f2p. Most bots are run by people now that have no income and botting free accounts and selling adrna is a great income. For instance, brazil. A country where 300USD is descent. They bot free toons and sell adena in 1 month. Say they make 500usd. Thats living descently. Even helps with the euro. Hell even america and the recession. So f2p gave people a way to make extra cash sitting at home. This ruined the game. But seems ncsoft is satisfied with their overpriced ncoin. I remember the good days where pvp happened at dion or getting excited to get out of no grade gear. My favorite was the diverse class and skill in pvp. Now its same awakened crap. Now its based on how good ur gear is which means u must bot or going broke for ncoin. I really wish it went p2p again. Keep the ncoin ideal but lower the prices. That would help these top clans who run bots be fair. Most of them running 5 to 10 groups after this f2p crap.
k80tik you seem to be in delusion that pre-GoD Lineage 2 wasn't about botting to max lv and buying the best gear for rl currency.
Bots have always been around, even when it was P2P but it was never close to as bad as it is now. The game started going downhill when it went F2P and everybody with a halfway decent DSL connection or better jumped into the game.
When NCWest opened it's door to F2P it opened a whole new world to botters and I am sure they are happy about it; income without paying for access. For those who think bots do not buy from the NCStore you are wrong, how do you think they get 95+ so fast and farm the high level zones. I see more bots in the 90+ zones than the low lever areas, but those are infested as well with daily quest bots.
Bots have always been around, even when it was P2P but it was never close to as bad as it is now. The game started going downhill when it went F2P and everybody with a halfway decent DSL connection or better jumped into the game.
When NCWest opened it's door to F2P it opened a whole new world to botters and I am sure they are happy about it; income without paying for access. For those who think bots do not buy from the NCStore you are wrong, how do you think they get 95+ so fast and farm the high level zones. I see more bots in the 90+ zones than the low lever areas, but those are infested as well with daily quest bots.
F2P is not the problem but the poor management of NCwest staff, any decent private server can deal with bots easily, I played 6 years straight on a low rate Romanian private server(4x rate), the average number of players per server was 3k-4k depending on the day(weekends always 4k+ because there was double xp on all weekends). But I've never seen a single bot, no scripts or whatever, if you tried to use a bot, you would get automatic ban instantly, the same with third party programs for pvp, auto ban without mercy. My char still is there with everything I left when I stopped playing, there has never been wipe since the server was born, in 2005.
This game has become even better than previous updates, not bcuz you hatin' of it bcuz ya lost your prev progress and bcuz its easy.. Its not only L2 easy its just all games around actually I could say L2 is the hardest.. Anyway I love the way they made this game it kick *****es for sure. If you dont like quit and go play to the private servers of death.
Good idea ant_dls46..............I already have and I've gotten most of my friends to leave GoD and join me, atleast where we are at they actually listen and take care of the game.
Good idea ant_dls46..............I already have and I've gotten most of my friends to leave GoD and join me, atleast where we are at they actually listen and take care of the game.
I refuse to play on private servers because there are no good ones in existence, just badly made and full of bugs and nothing working correctly. I simply went to Innova and play on the Euro server which is much more enjoyable without bots and Hero cheaters.
This game has become even better than previous updates, not bcuz you hatin' of it bcuz ya lost your prev progress and bcuz its easy.. Its not only L2 easy its just all games around actually I could say L2 is the hardest.. Anyway I love the way they made this game it kick *****es for sure. If you dont like quit and go play to the private servers of death.
NCSoft could press Like on diz post
hardest to what ? to fight aganst the lag .... yes this is the only hard point right now in official usa servers
l2 was never hardcore mmo . never had loot of the enemy like other mmos had and have like uo and darkfall.the only hardcore point in the game is the exp penlaty but ,if you have healer +clan luck 2 passive the exp penalty is gone...
tell me now where is the hard point of the game please
I refuse to play on private servers because there are no good ones in existence, just badly made and full of bugs and nothing working correctly. I simply went to Innova and play on the Euro server which is much more enjoyable without bots and Hero cheaters.
This sent me ROTFLMAO... "i hate private server" and the next sentence "i just went to innova" xD. Mate, in case you don't know, you've went to the most private of all private servers. The exp table is different, along with the premium acounts #$%@ it's like x4 server. I really like how they made the archers there, but such an extreme OP kills the joy of victory. And no bots ? c'mon you have to be kidding me, just enter the Seed of Hellfire and enjoy the bot army.
Anyway, the GoD update really spoiled the gameplay, but only cos in made obsolete the 3rd classes. I've said it many times b4; the Awakening had to be really hard to get and only at the highest possible levels and w/o such a big differense to the 3rd classes (smimilar to the 2nd to 3rd class relation.)
Yes. this game was fun until GoD. Then started threads like this.
If you don't like it - go to private server with hi5 or interlude (some people like that chronicle for some reasons... maybe 4x mcrit dmg and 99% mcrit rate with full epics/buffs?) and x50000000 rates and pew pew there.
This sent me ROTFLMAO... "i hate private server" and the next sentence "i just went to innova" xD. Mate, in case you don't know, you've went to the most private of all private servers. The exp table is different, along with the premium acounts #$%@ it's like x4 server. I really like how they made the archers there, but such an extreme OP kills the joy of victory. And no bots ? c'mon you have to be kidding me, just enter the Seed of Hellfire and enjoy the bot army.
Anyway, the GoD update really spoiled the gameplay, but only cos in made obsolete the 3rd classes. I've said it many times b4; the Awakening had to be really hard to get and only at the highest possible levels and w/o such a big differense to the 3rd classes (smimilar to the 2nd to 3rd class relation.)
The difference is Innova is licensed to run the servers, those poor excuses for L2 called private servers do not. I have no interest in their premium account system, but their server is a lot more enjoyable to play on and the in game community is much nicer.
I never said I liked GoD, I don't, but at least on the Euro server I can have a lot more fun than here or any private server running bugged software. Private servers are run by thieves who want nothing more than to collect donations, as I said already Innova is licensed by NCSoft, private servers are illegal. The reason you don't have botting on provate servers is because there is no money to be made by doing so, it has nothing to do with corrupted GM's or Admins passing themselves off as server owners.
You want to waste time on private server then go ahead, I won't play on un-licensed, illegally run servers.
F2P is not the problem but the poor management of NCwest staff, any decent private server can deal with bots easily, I played 6 years straight on a low rate Romanian private server(4x rate), the average number of players per server was 3k-4k depending on the day(weekends always 4k+ because there was double xp on all weekends). But I've never seen a single bot, no scripts or whatever, if you tried to use a bot, you would get automatic ban instantly, the same with third party programs for pvp, auto ban without mercy. My char still is there with everything I left when I stopped playing, there has never been wipe since the server was born, in 2005.
F2P is a huge issue. It removed a huge road block for people to abide by the rules.
People tend to value things more when they are monetarily responsible for it. By making the game free, it basically took away a lot of the worth of an "Account." It completely commoditized it, and now people are now able to run unlimited (as many as they're capable) accounts concurrently and eat bans until they get one to the level they want, and then use the adena they pooled together to get the gear they need for it.
Back when you had to pay for an account no one except Chinese farmers and very few others (players in game selling adena for RL cash, etc.) had the time money or resources to run 18+ accounts in bot groups on a daily basis.
Just buying 9 L2 accounts at full price was $49.99 each. Even half off was a significant upfront investment for something that can get banned in a week altogether. F2P attracted those types of personalities. It was a huge deal.
In any case, I'll still say what I have said years ago. This game almost seems like it was designed for Botting and RMT. The Devs have done nothing to *fix* the mechanics and in-game economy issues that make it that way. They had a great chance to do it, at GoD, when they redesigned so much else and basically obsoleted all low level content, and failed.
The game is worse now than it was before, because they have made it WAY too easy to get to 85 so the majority of the player population are all awakened and all jammed into a few decent leveling areas. When you put the 24/7 AFK toons into the mix it just becomes unbearable, and it gets old really fast.
This isn't like seeing a bot here or there when you run through Blazing Swamp. This is "sorry, no rooms on H1/2 because there's a bot group in all of them."
The difference is Innova is licensed to run the servers, those poor excuses for L2 called private servers do not. I have no interest in their premium account system, but their server is a lot more enjoyable to play on and the in game community is much nicer.
I never said I liked GoD, I don't, but at least on the Euro server I can have a lot more fun than here or any private server running bugged software. Private servers are run by thieves who want nothing more than to collect donations, as I said already Innova is licensed by NCSoft, private servers are illegal. The reason you don't have botting on provate servers is because there is no money to be made by doing so, it has nothing to do with corrupted GM's or Admins passing themselves off as server owners.
You want to waste time on private server then go ahead, I won't play on un-licensed, illegally run servers.
I've yet to play on one decent PServer. Everyone acts like the PServers are so great yet they are here :-P IME they've all (the ones I've tried) been buggy, laggy, stuck in 2006, or just badly run or managed.
Is there a way to play on Innova servers from the US?
hardest to what ? to fight aganst the lag .... yes this is the only hard point right now in official usa servers
l2 was never hardcore mmo . never had loot of the enemy like other mmos had and have like uo and darkfall.the only hardcore point in the game is the exp penlaty but ,if you have healer +clan luck 2 passive the exp penalty is gone...
tell me now where is the hard point of the game please
L2 had (and has) drop on death.
However, just allowing people to drop on death for any reason (i.e. on any random PK) is stupid as it facilitates griefing. Sorry, game is called Lineage II not Robin Hood.
Private servers are much more better, its much more fun imo to play pre god and they take care of the issues. Here, nothing gets taken care of...its just words....no fixes....only more problems.
I've yet to play on one decent PServer. Everyone acts like the PServers are so great yet they are here :-P IME they've all (the ones I've tried) been buggy, laggy, stuck in 2006, or just badly run or managed.
Is there a way to play on Innova servers from the US?
AFAIK anybody can play on the EU oficial server from any location, acording to the new rules , anyone ouside Europe does not have rights to demand anything tho, but it's still playable, but im from Europe so dunno fi there's any specific issue.
Also you rly had bad luck on the servers you tried, oficial is more bugged than good servers i've been, and i have been lagging for past 4 months here, in 7 years of gameplay i never lagged more than a week. 400 vs 400 was completly viable and lag free on my previous server. Naia cannot even hold a good 30 vs 30 without lagging.
There are few problems only in NC West's GoD. Adena farming with bots. Everyone and his mom has at least 2 man bot train to make him extra adena, thus the market is crazy now and people are willing to pay such amounts of adena. IP bans will be a good idea to start with. I mean ... come on... isn't it obvious that the same guy runs that bot train?
Destruction enchants, but these were removed. Unfortunatelly too late. For the future though, we may need to have the max enchants possible reduced.
Live support and live GM (we need just 1 competent person here). For instance if a Lineage 2 player, becomes a GM that will be able to log in and ban bots, their amount will be reduced to at least 50% of what they are now. It takes me 5 seconds to understand which party is botting and which one is not. Just check few areas - LoA, MoS, GC, Fairies, GoG, Orbis, EG, HB... tons of bots and almost no live players beside in the Fairies. It will take less than 2 hours to remove all of these. And a daily loging to the most famous 3rd party software websites, to get up to date with their new "patch notes" will help a lot.
And how comes at Innova Server the players cant use 3rd party software for PvP, while here we can? This is beside my understanding. This imba gear that the real money traders and the bot owners have will be less imba if your remove their 3rd party software in pvp. I have no solution how this can be fixed, but we need drastic changes to this one.
Other than that GoD update > any other update in Lineage 2. It is just how poorly NC West Manages their servers. It is no wonder even if it is free to play, nobody is willing to play, and although GoD update is Godly, people still preffer pre GoD.
I've yet to play on one decent PServer. Everyone acts like the PServers are so great yet they are here :-P IME they've all (the ones I've tried) been buggy, laggy, stuck in 2006, or just badly run or managed.
Is there a way to play on Innova servers from the US?
I only see ppl crying about GoD and "New L2"..like any other game it will keep updating..Players make the game..so stop crying :-)
Its not crying when they are all FACTS. The game wont keep updating....its more like outdating. NC isnt doing anything to make this game any better, its only getting worse....I hate to say it because I USED to love this game but the game is garbage now. Ill check it out in a year when / if the next major patch comes out but til then I will stay on PS......oh and the only players that "make" the game are the players that buy adena and bot.
Full of crap post of the new year. As with any update you will have things good and utterly bad. They will rework features and add new ones. Not everyone will be happy with the new update and many will love the new game. Bottom line is more clients are running and we have double the servers now than before GoD.
Wrong, servers are dead again. On Chronos, half the day you can't get parties going, which means the usual L2 problem is coming up again: massive decline of the population due to the inherent problems with the game, and not enough redeeming qualities to keep people here. I can get a mentee at 4x who will quit at 74, and I've seen myself that after the noobie quests run out, leveling a class 76-85 is a nightmare that now involves camping raid bosses for HOURS to have them die in 1 MINUTE which you will miss if you aren't ready to go RIGHT THEN. And the only other option for fast leveling in that range is to get powerleveled or make party in swamp, which isn't easy for a new player who doesn't already have their own Iss or whatever. IMO all raid bosses should give decent xp, not just the quest ones, or take away the crazy raid xp so that people will start grouping for xp again, because doing nothing except camping a boss ALL DAY LONG is just extremely boring and stupid (no wonder people quit at that point). Or introduce more daily quests for xp all the way up to lvl 85 so people have something to do besides nothing. There's plenty to do once awakened because of the group daily quests and such, but there is an "xp wasteland" between 76 and 85 that probably a lot of new players lose interest in the game trying to get through, and that needs to be addressed.
GW2: yes, there are A LOT of really good things about that game. It addresses many mmo issues and solves them in a good way. I tried it and couldn't get into it, but I do recommend anyone who is tired of L2 to try it.
One of the things it solves is that there is no "healer" or "buffer" class... everyone can rez and everyone has their own self heal, and no buffs are needed, so you take care of the problem of everyone wants to be a DD and too few people want to play support. In my clan we get tons of apps of Tyrs and almost no healers or Iss which we really need, which is a symptom of the typical gamer mindset of selfish pew pew pew. We need more Tyrs like multiple holes in the head: no thanks. Because at siege we can't fort decent parties and lvl 99's with support subs get stuck on the low level sub which is just a waste.
In GW2 looks to me that the healing class is the tank, but even the necro gets a group heal; and you can level up any class just by running around and rezzing people. That's a nice change, and not being dependent on buffs is amazing. In L2 you can't even leave town without buffs, which is and always has been beyond tiresome.
Besides the fact that people can bot with impunity again in L2, and a lot of spots are totally overrun with bots like I haven't seen in years and years. GF NC
k80tik you seem to be in delusion that pre-GoD Lineage 2 wasn't about botting to max lv and buying the best gear for rl currency.
Where did I ever say that? I guarantee I know the game very well pre-F2P. Of course there was bots. EVERY MMO has them to a certain extent. I wasnt blind nor am I blind now. Maybe you dont know what it was like since the begining till now. There was botting, but less then 25% of what it is now. Even back then GM's would do more ban hammers then they do now. I dont even think they log in at all now. Actually I dont even think anyone shows up for work and if they do its for 1 day out of 364 days. Most botting to max lvl got the hammer in some way and eventually it caught up with them. Now everyone bots to max level and nothing happens to them. Like it was said before, I have killed countless bots in Harnaks JUST to see who the mains are. I stayed in Harnaks for 2 weeks testing this. On Chronos FS, ND, BREGAN/UR, RR, NovaVita, and a few other Top clans would come on there 99 mains with +16 r99 weapons to kill me for messing with their bots. Im not even talking 1 party from 1 person. Id kill 2 of there parties in Harnaks and then go to SH2/SH3 and they show up to protect their other parties. I report and kill them all the time, yet nothing happens. Why buy ncoin when they can bot free accounts and farm adena for all the enchants? I dont know how the GM's feel that this balances the game. Whats the point of getting to 99 to compete against these ton of 99's with +16 everything? PVP was fun. Now its a battle of who has the most buffer/healer bots scripted. I got to 95 and thought about this. Whats the point anymore. So now I play the game for fun.... Flag AOE bot parties and kill them till their main comes... write the name (in case you want fraps GM's let me know) and PR. kill somewhere else and then come back in 30 mins or so and kill them when they are afk again. Going red is pointless. leveling to 99 for a +3 or lucky +4 weapon and die to one of these nubs.
I say its time to take this into our own hands. get to 0% and go flag bots and kill them. its rather fun. Pretty sure it wont stop them but it sure as hell will annoy them and slow them down a bit.
Wrong, servers are dead again. On Chronos, half the day you can't get parties going, which means the usual L2 problem is coming up again: massive decline of the population due to the inherent problems with the game, and not enough redeeming qualities to keep people here. I can get a mentee at 4x who will quit at 74, and I've seen myself that after the noobie quests run out, leveling a class 76-85 is a nightmare that now involves camping raid bosses for HOURS to have them die in 1 MINUTE which you will miss if you aren't ready to go RIGHT THEN. And the only other option for fast leveling in that range is to get powerleveled or make party in swamp, which isn't easy for a new player who doesn't already have their own Iss or whatever. IMO all raid bosses should give decent xp, not just the quest ones, or take away the crazy raid xp so that people will start grouping for xp again, because doing nothing except camping a boss ALL DAY LONG is just extremely boring and stupid (no wonder people quit at that point). Or introduce more daily quests for xp all the way up to lvl 85 so people have something to do besides nothing. There's plenty to do once awakened because of the group daily quests and such, but there is an "xp wasteland" between 76 and 85 that probably a lot of new players lose interest in the game trying to get through, and that needs to be addressed.
GW2: yes, there are A LOT of really good things about that game. It addresses many mmo issues and solves them in a good way. I tried it and couldn't get into it, but I do recommend anyone who is tired of L2 to try it.
One of the things it solves is that there is no "healer" or "buffer" class... everyone can rez and everyone has their own self heal, and no buffs are needed, so you take care of the problem of everyone wants to be a DD and too few people want to play support. In my clan we get tons of apps of Tyrs and almost no healers or Iss which we really need, which is a symptom of the typical gamer mindset of selfish pew pew pew. We need more Tyrs like multiple holes in the head: no thanks. Because at siege we can't fort decent parties and lvl 99's with support subs get stuck on the low level sub which is just a waste.
In GW2 looks to me that the healing class is the tank, but even the necro gets a group heal; and you can level up any class just by running around and rezzing people. That's a nice change, and not being dependent on buffs is amazing. In L2 you can't even leave town without buffs, which is and always has been beyond tiresome.
Besides the fact that people can bot with impunity again in L2, and a lot of spots are totally overrun with bots like I haven't seen in years and years. GF NC
+1 Comparing bots from the start of GOD-present to any other chronicle, or update, there is no comparison.
I actually went back to ps myself, found a nice 7x that has 9k-15k online. I am guessing with the multi clients sell and buy shops there is at least 4k-7k people playing it. Rarely any lag, and events that make sense, plus a balanced economy. But most important they have a list of banned users and what they got banned for. :D
To me "official" is a private server and if players believe it it's safe because it's NC they need to look at lineage, World of Heros and all the other games that have shut down. At least I am having fun. If the game was fun there is no way I would be on the forums. The only reason I am here now is I am cooking lunch and a birdy told me some of the new updates that are coming like losing exp again and dlvling. LOLOLOLOLOL So, I had to read for myself. Keep buying those coins people it surely will help keep the server around for lag, bots, 3rd party users, non fixes, no gms. GG
Wrong, servers are dead again. On Chronos, half the day you can't get parties going, which means the usual L2 problem is coming up again: massive decline of the population due to the inherent problems with the game, and not enough redeeming qualities to keep people here. I can get a mentee at 4x who will quit at 74, and I've seen myself that after the noobie quests run out, leveling a class 76-85 is a nightmare that now involves camping raid bosses for HOURS to have them die in 1 MINUTE which you will miss if you aren't ready to go RIGHT THEN. And the only other option for fast leveling in that range is to get powerleveled or make party in swamp, which isn't easy for a new player who doesn't already have their own Iss or whatever. IMO all raid bosses should give decent xp, not just the quest ones, or take away the crazy raid xp so that people will start grouping for xp again, because doing nothing except camping a boss ALL DAY LONG is just extremely boring and stupid (no wonder people quit at that point). Or introduce more daily quests for xp all the way up to lvl 85 so people have something to do besides nothing. There's plenty to do once awakened because of the group daily quests and such, but there is an "xp wasteland" between 76 and 85 that probably a lot of new players lose interest in the game trying to get through, and that needs to be addressed.
GW2: yes, there are A LOT of really good things about that game. It addresses many mmo issues and solves them in a good way. I tried it and couldn't get into it, but I do recommend anyone who is tired of L2 to try it.
One of the things it solves is that there is no "healer" or "buffer" class... everyone can rez and everyone has their own self heal, and no buffs are needed, so you take care of the problem of everyone wants to be a DD and too few people want to play support. In my clan we get tons of apps of Tyrs and almost no healers or Iss which we really need, which is a symptom of the typical gamer mindset of selfish pew pew pew. We need more Tyrs like multiple holes in the head: no thanks. Because at siege we can't fort decent parties and lvl 99's with support subs get stuck on the low level sub which is just a waste.
In GW2 looks to me that the healing class is the tank, but even the necro gets a group heal; and you can level up any class just by running around and rezzing people. That's a nice change, and not being dependent on buffs is amazing. In L2 you can't even leave town without buffs, which is and always has been beyond tiresome.
Besides the fact that people can bot with impunity again in L2, and a lot of spots are totally overrun with bots like I haven't seen in years and years. GF NC
I agree, GW2, Blade&Soul and ArcheAge(very good build design in AA, it provides hundreds of different builds) class design is the future, it solves all the issues and imbalances we can see in L2 today, and bring something very important: BALANCE, they are much more balanced than L2 never, never was.
L2 class design is old, tired and BORING, it tends to become more and more unpopular even in Korea, where L2 is losing players little by little.
The reason that makes me still playing this game is because i really like the medieval and mystic races. I'm quite fan of the lord of the rings so that's why i like this game. Even if lotr has its own MMORPG game i do not enjoy the gameplay and the armors designs.
For me, lineage II had the better armor/weapon/boss designs, at least before kamael update.
Now i don't know why NCstuff are making crap "futurist" designs. They want l2 become like other games and steal its originality!
And what happened with the mounts? Now those nasty horses with saturation of colour and bigest as *****. The first thing that i though when i saw this mounts was: WOW those horses are consuming anabolic steroids! ROFL - LOL.
What happened with great strider and wolf mounts creations?
About classes: yes all them are crap. I don't know what the NCsoft stuff were thinking when they said make all classes same as ****.
Apparently they are a little "genius" to see that losing players and less players each and each day, means: NEW UPDATE CHANGES WERE NOT GREAT AND LIKEABLE! But they still belive on they think is better than l2 users think about.
...However it is i still prefer l2 from other games. WoW, shaya, metin2, LOTRO, Aion, etc etc, none of those games are better than l2 for me. All people has his own likes and dislikes, and i enjoy a game if it has: great music, great races, medieval fantastic time, goog designs and fun. Lineage 2 at least still having the great 2 first... Great music and races, and maybe fun!:rolleyes:
I've seen just one game in my life that i liked and was thinking about leave l2 for it: Soul of the ultimate nation... But, you've got me here!:)
well I agree about the armors, they seem to be tired/ and or stretching for new designs and all recent designs just suck. I mean even the academy sets were more attractive than the R grade armors. Immortal is just hideous on all but a few classes (robes look nice only on LE female, human fighter female, terrible on everyone else). Twilight wasn't too terrible but it didn't do it for me and I reskinned that set while I was in it, got tired of the green. Seraph is pretty boring all around, cute on a few classes (robes are nice on human mage females and a few others, really terrible on kamael). I'm ok in the heavy but it's not my fav. I don't really like the looks of any of the R armors. I've been collecting vesper noble sets to change appearances when/if I get bored of the sets I have to wear.
There are many sets in game, a few C, many B, several A, and tons of S, that look GREAT on almost all classes. They seem to be making very ugly creations now tho, like they think they have to make it fancier and fancier at higher levels, but fancier just ends up having an overall effect of ugly for most. At least we have the option to reskin now, that pleases me greatly.
It's clear for the people who've played since the launche of L2 that this chronicle killed everything of game soul.
Remember the first chronicles when there was a real economic system through the game and a deep need of cooperation to craft your stuff and achieve quests and RB.
Now you just have to click a few times to have the best stuff or your level and you have only stupid daily quest to do to gain levels easily with your enormous bonuses of xp, you don't even get to choose where and how to level up anymore.
I suggest to all the people who want to give this game a true rebirth to join this new server called Nostalgia http://l2nostalgia.com/ on C5, which seems seriously managed and with reasonable xp bonus (x7).
I think it could be great if a lot of people would join it.
I'm joining it now but I felt I had to encourage this server because I think it is what the majority of true players want.
So try it, gather the max of people on it and let's have fun !
It's clear for the people who've played since the launche of L2 that this chronicle killed everything of game soul.
Remember the first chronicles when there was a real economic system through the game and a deep need of cooperation to craft your stuff and achieve quests and RB.
Now you just have to click a few times to have the best stuff or your level and you have only stupid daily quest to do to gain levels easily with your enormous bonuses of xp, you don't even get to choose where and how to level up anymore.
I suggest to all the people who want to give this game a true rebirth to join this new server called Nostalgia http://l2nostalgia.com/ on C5, which seems seriously managed and with reasonable xp bonus (x7).
I think it could be great if a lot of people would join it.
I'm joining it now but I felt I had to encourage this server because I think it is what the majority of true players want.
So try it, gather the max of people on it and let's have fun !
With all these front page posts on the forums, by the looks of it with all the server trouble the complains with the ingame shop and the people not being able to shout till level 76, no feeling of accomplishment when you leven is just sad . I played since open beta to gracia final (made this account on l2forums cas l2blah died). I used to love this game now its just a private server. If only we could reset back to C1 or something without this fourth class change, all these people buying boss jewels (when i saw that i was like wow l2 is getting desperate for money now, and dont even care for the players) this game has just turned to absolute trash. Its the next city of heroes, free for two years then they shut down the servers. Also try this game guildwars2.com its actually pretty fun.
+1 the game has been really boring....the only think that you do here is kartia/fortuna/spenzion...has become monotony the game nowadays
i don't understand why all these who QQ still play this game? don't like it - leave it.
my friend come play here 2 months ago, he played only in privates pre-GoD. and now he said it's mroe interesting to play, many new things, ofc it's boring with those dailies, but you can do simple xp, just peoples are lazy.
Noone will come...may your server rest in piece...(FAILLLLL)
L2 probably is the MMO that has the most percentage of players on private servers instead of retail, I'd say 70%-80%+ play on private and 20% on retail, considering America and Europe. No joke. I've seen many low rate servers with 3K-4K+ active players(no bots).
I have about 20 friends who started playing here after it went F2P, but 6 month after they went back to the old private they were playing(4x), mainly because bots.
I stopped playing because I'm little tired of L2. But I like to see the forums.
Realy the game is going to hell....after h5 lineage is a awfull,it has become worse than a private server,people paying to get +15 weapons and armors while the others are trying to make a +4,also now after god update lineage II is complety gonne...everybody is doing daily missions in random partys and then log off....I believe we all missed the old good times when we were exping 5-6 hours daily or even more :D...also the bot problem is huge ,50% of the online players are bots..
It s realy a shame to wreck a game like Lineage II..remember the old good interlude times when 11-14 milion players had bought that game:confused:..
Seems like NCsoft is thinking only about money and dont think about their people that was paying 8 god **** years to play and now they ruine everything!!!!:mad:
You know what if money is your problem people then start a seperate server just starting from C1, or seperate servers to have that 1-7 year span of updates of chronicles.
Cause we paid all this years and we deserve that so people comment on that thread so that NCsoft start thinking with logic finally(I dont think so but just dreaming....)
You know I quit few years ago being burned out from the need to grind at least 5-6 hours per day to get that 1%. In September I had plenty of time free in my workplace, so I decided I will DL the game and try it out. I heard it is free to play and it is totally new. I loved it from the first sight.
Much easier, you do not need to log in 2-3 additional boxes to play. You have quests that are actually doable. My mage does not recuire having the perfect nuker AoE party. You have a party matching system and it is easy to start a party. You have stuff to do. You can be casual and still progress slowly. You can be normal and do your exp parties after you finish with the dailies, and you can be hardcore. It is all by choice, but you still progress.
On top of that you have harder to play classes with a lot of skills. Yes, the game can be improved, but I love it so far. My only advice for the game developpers is to continue with the dailies and improve their rewards, so botting exp and adena farming is nullified. And ofcourse the classes needs better balance. For instance I was trying to make a Fortuna party yesterday and was looking for a healer and a tank. After I could not do it, I went to CoC and say only healers and tanks in there, the rest were afk.
+1. People wouldnt complain about **** if PvP and the gear inbalance wasnt as ***ed as it is now. If you make farming gear possible without paying botters money to do so or bot yourself, botters would be out of business.