There are basically two types of people (regarding to pay real money for playing game). People who will never-ever pay real money for anything in game and people willing to pay real money.
So, what if NCoins are tradable in-game between players for adena?
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Pros:
1) Players who need in-game adena and are willing to pay real money for it can buy NCoins and sell them to players who aren't willing to pay real money, but have some in-game adena. So this is legitimate way how to obtain extra in-game adena for real money.
2) This way all players are eligible to gain access to NCoins and to all those shiny things at NC Store / Galleria, even without paying directly any real money somewhere.
3) Nobody can cry that such L2 concept is pay(real money)-to-win because everyone is able to obtain NCoins.
4) This will not ruin economy, because any involved adena are born in game by playing people, and aren't born from the air (in comparation to situation, if NC west would sell adena packs to players directly for real money).
5) Price for NCoin is matter of in-game market and actual balance between offer and demand for adena / NCoins in game.
6) This is efficient hammer on annoying RMT botters who spam their advertisment in towns and occupy profitable zones with sophisticated unbeatable profesional botting parties, because people willing to pay real money for adena now don't need to buy them from these botters (altough on paper it is illegal to act this way, we all know reality...).
7) This will result in increased demand for NCoins, because this possibility convert today income of RMT botters into direct NCwest income through NCoins.
Seeing that there are many bot groups farming adena in LoA, MoS and such, some people can easily manage to get NCoins without spending a cent, just with adena popped up from thin air. And since currently those bot group managers are the biggest buyers from the store, you can easily guess how that would affect both in-game and out-of-game economies.
1) player who bot for adena for their equip
2) professional botters for selling adena for RM
ad 2) Professional botters doesn't need anything from NC Store in my opinion. They have adena -> they have equip which they need for botting. They only grind for adena and sell adena for RM and poison chats with their adverts. If people who want to pay RM for adena can legally buy NCoins and sell them at in-game market to other players for in-game adena, they wouldn't need to buy adena from these professional botters which decline these botters' business. And that would be fine.
ad 1) these players will bot whether there is possibility to buy NCoins at in-game market or not. And honestly it doesn't matter for what these players spend their botted adena on in-game market whether for NCoins or for anything else... It's truth, that these players have advance against legit players and it's not good, but it has no relationship to what I'm suggesting. ;-)
On the other hand if you disagree with my conclusion, I would appreciate if you explain in more detail your thoughts how would bot affect both in-game and out-of-game economies with in-game buyable NCoins.
There's also buying vit pots and runes from the Store to make botting to 99 faster.
By the way, I've heard that the bot owners are the ones that sell the adena to the RMT sites. Dunno if it's true or not, but it's believable enough, given that in the past people botted their toons and sold them for high prices... Everything revolves around money.
And I see reason to exploit the buyable NCoins, since the game is becoming more and more pay-to-win.
As I said - botting people will have advance before legits in every way, but still I think it can't overweight fact that everyone gets access at in-game market to NCoins, as well as people willing to pay $ for adena can do it legal way and cut RMT on their profits.
In my opinion convert RMT profits into NC west profits is the best way to get rid of RMT bots.
Side effect is, that all can acces NCoins, and yes botting player will be at advance, but they are in advance today as well, and nobody can do nothing about that, except banning them.
There's also buying vit pots and runes from the Store to make botting to 99 faster.
By the way, I've heard that the bot owners are the ones that sell the adena to the RMT sites. Dunno if it's true or not, but it's believable enough, given that in the past people botted their toons and sold them for high prices... Everything revolves around money.
And I see reason to exploit the buyable NCoins, since the game is becoming more and more pay-to-win.
Very true, the RMT sites do not bot themselves (Possibly some, but most does not), instead, they purchase adena from players, and then sell it for a profit.
i.e "Sell your adena to us 2.5$/mil!" and then they resell it much higher, works like this in every game.
Hell, the electricity bill would *** their profit so much it wouldnt be worth it, if they had to run like 100 bot parties to get their hundred of billions adena they have.
And they might aswell just make an "Adena store", cause the only thing this would be used for is to make adena from real money (RMT).
Aaaand, the economy (of the servers) would become ***ed up.
The only thing that WOULD be good, is if they make it possible to buy NCoins with adena, but that is not going to happen, since thats the only way they make money (pretty much)
Very true, the RMT sites do not bot themselves (Possibly some, but most does not), instead, they purchase adena from players, and then sell it for a profit.
i.e "Sell your adena to us 2.5$/mil!" and then they resell it much higher, works like this in every game.
Hell, the electricity bill would *** their profit so much it wouldnt be worth it, if they had to run like 100 bot parties to get their hundred of billions adena they have.
And they might aswell just make an "Adena store", cause the only thing this would be used for is to make adena from real money (RMT).
Aaaand, the economy (of the servers) would become ***ed up.
The only thing that WOULD be good, is if they make it possible to buy NCoins with adena, but that is not going to happen, since thats the only way they make money (pretty much)
I think, that you haven't understood what I am suggesting. I'm not telling that NCwest should sell NCoins directly for adena, because it's economic nonsense. I even don't suggest that NCwest should sell adena directly to players for real money (that would ruin in-game economy).
What I'm telling is: let players buy NCoins from other players (who bought it from NC west for real money) for adena. I see no way, how RMT can make profit on that.
NCwest is selling NCoins to players for real money -> Players who bought NCoins from NCwest can sell them in-game to other players, who can spend it at NC-Shop.
I suppose that there would be no way how to revert NCoins back to real money -> So the only institution, which can make real money profit on this is NCwest itself, by selling their NCoins into game.
Enabling in-game trading NCoins between players for adena can only help encourage demand for NCoins (RM profit for NCwest) and decrease demand for adena from RMT (why should anybody who is willing to pay RM for adena, buy them from RMT, if they can buy NCoins from NCwest and sell them on in-game market in Auction House for example for adena).
It is same principle like why should I buy (for example) Euros from smugglers, if I can buy it in any bank or exchange office official way.
And what about argument, that botters can buy NCoins for their adena? Well in Auction Houses they can buy for their botted adena top equip on server -> will we want therefore prohibite Aution Houses? No. Will we prohibite Clan Hall auctions, will we prohibite in-game Item Brokers at Giran, Aden, Rune from the same reason? Ruins that economy? It doesn't seem....
What I suggest can help ordinary people not willing to spend their RM just for amusement from game, to get to Fashion and other items in NC Store. It can seriously cripple business of real money traders. It can boost profit of NCwest as the only emmiter of NCoins. Every NCoin sold on in-game market logically must be first bought by someone from NCwest and when sold by its holder in game for adena, it can't ruin economy, because if people can use their adena in Auction House and it doesn't cripple economy, then just another usage of adena can't cripple economy as well.
If you don't think so, tell me exact scenario, how could RMT profit on this.
Sorry, but i did not quote you, the thing about RMT sellers were not directed at you.
Look, if NCSOFT allows the trading for NCoins, people will buy them, and sell for adena.
The only reason people will buy them, is to sell for adena.
So, My old post "And they might aswell just make an "Adena store", cause the only thing this would be used for is to make adena from real money (RMT).
Aaaand, the economy (of the servers) would become ***ed up."
Meaning, people will only buy Ncoins to sell them for adena = same thing as buying adena for real money.
Which would **** the economy on servers, people who have alot of money IRL would all get very good equipment etc etc.
This is why your idea would not work, it would be WAY WAY too unbalanced.
Sorry, but i did not quote you, the thing about RMT sellers were not directed at you.
Look, if NCSOFT allows the trading for NCoins, people will buy them, and sell for adena.
The only reason people will buy them, is to sell for adena.
So, My old post "And they might aswell just make an "Adena store", cause the only thing this would be used for is to make adena from real money (RMT).
Aaaand, the economy (of the servers) would become ***ed up."
Meaning, people will only buy Ncoins to sell them for adena = same thing as buying adena for real money.
Which would **** the economy on servers, people who have alot of money IRL would all get very good equipment etc etc.
This is why your idea would not work, it would be WAY WAY too unbalanced.
I think that you're mistaken, i'll try to explain:
Look at this: Today people are buying Adena from real money traders (altough it is officially prohibited) and pumping it into game economy. How is it different from state, when they buy Adena from NCwest (through NCoins which they sell at in-game market)? Hm?
Today you already have "Adena stores". These Adena stores are run by RMTs and they are advertised in EVERY town in game. Where is your ruined economy? Hm?
What is, according to you, principally difference between buying adena from RMTs or from NCwest?
The only change of what I'm suggesting is, that profits from buying adena will go to NCwest instead to RMT as well as more players gain access to NCoins and NC-Store without spending their RM.
Try to guess one thing: If players can spend their RM by buying NCoins to get adena at ingame market, then RMTs will loose market for their adena. If RMTs won't have any market for their adena, they stop purchase it from botters (as you wrote earlier in this discussion) and also they will stop to offer them in game. We will get rid of their adverts, and possibly we may get rid of some botters selling their botted adena to RMT for RM.
If you were right about your thought that players who have a lot of money IRL would unbalance economy, then economy must have been WAY WAY too unbalanced already, because these rich people can do it just right now through RMTs. But this isn't happening. (At least at any incredible measure) ;-)
Your logic is seriously flawed.
Just cause RMT sites exists, doesnt mean EVERYONE buys adena.
I think if NCsoft allowed RMT (What you are suggesting is pretty much RMT), we would have ALOT more people paying for adena, trust me on that.
I hope you realize this?
I do agree with you, if NCSoft started RMT sales, they would earn alot of money, however that would kill the game ENTIRELY, and within a year the servers would be dead/closed.
Just think about this for a few minutes, with every aspect in mind, and you will hopefully understand why this would never work in a serious server, or game company.
Your logic is seriously flawed.
Just cause RMT sites exists, doesnt mean EVERYONE buys adena.
I think if NCsoft allowed RMT (What you are suggesting is pretty much RMT), we would have ALOT more people paying for adena, trust me on that.
I hope you realize this?
I do agree with you, if NCSoft started RMT sales, they would earn alot of money, however that would kill the game ENTIRELY, and within a year the servers would be dead/closed.
Just think about this for a few minutes, with every aspect in mind, and you will hopefully understand why this would never work in a serious server, or game company.
I really don't think so, because NCoins could be only sold in game for adena gained by players in game. So that doesn't generate adena from nothing like if NCwest sell adena packages made from nowhere. Ingame market establish adena price for NCoins and that makes balance.
I agree with you, that if NCwest make adena packages from nothing and sell them for RM, that could ruin economy, but that is not what I'm suggesting. If people in game can buy for their adena NCoins, bought by other player for RM, there can be no imbalance, because ingame adena still aren't made outside game and then pumped in, they're still made within game.
And one notice in the end: You really believe, that there are some many many players, who need adena, they're willing to pay RM for them, they see advertisment on XY RMT sites in every town, they get zillions of PM in every town to buy adena for RM there and there and they still don't buy it just because it is prohibited? And if it wasn't prohibited they would do so and make that imbalance you're still speaking about? Honestly, I really don't believe that...
Much more probably we're already living with fact, that if somebody want to buy adena for RM, he simply do it and nobody is able to effectively investigate and punish it, so if you were right about your ruined economy theory, that economy must have been ruined already and servers must be dead. But that still haven't happen.
RMTs prospers. That is fact. They're pumping adena from game and back to game. They make profit on that and no major economy imbalance doesn't occur. If players wouldn't massively buy adena from them, RMTs would die hungry. But they aren't dead. They works and no economy collapse occurs. If you're unable to admit this sad fact, you're lying into your own pocket :-(
While I think your intentions are good, let's take a look at this from a bots perspective. Now I can exploit "free" software and wear garbage gear as I level with the bonus of other people's ncoin? Use my bottled adena for ncoin and get 99 fast and free. Also I didn't even have to register my name with credit card or PayPal, so recourse is pretty much non existent. So ncsoft loses all the bot coin sales. (everything affects the bottom line) How long do you think it would take people to just say screw it? Either quitting or starting to bot? All that leaves for nc is to sell 99. Your suggestions while good spirited would be in actuality the same demise to most private servers. The crack in a system that few exploiting would ruin for the many. Making that decision would be unethical as well as financially unsound.
I assume (apologies if you dont) that you will say but we have bots and rmt now, how will this be worse then now? Greatly reducing the time and reducing costs to zero to level and exploit trains. This could make others envious or finally quit. Critical mass of bots and discontent. You've heard many short answers, maybe this long winded one will get the point across.
I think Ncoin ---> Adena can be something that can be introduced as ppl still need to pay for adena and it would be legit instead of some random adena selling site.
I don't think that they will implent Adena ---> Ncoin as that would destroy the entire cashflow for NCsoft, basically they are not making money since Ncoin is purchased by virtural money aka they could better just hand out Ncoin instead of doing such thing.
Ofc i guess the scenario of having two players trade with each other, trading Ncoin for Adena, is most likely to happen if they would accept Ncoin trade between players, but that would benefit NCsoft more because some ppl will buy more Ncoin then they normally do because other people's demand for it.
Overall i think the idea of Ncoin ---> Adena is a good idea but Adena ---> Ncoin not, but trade between players for it, yes.
While I think your intentions are good, let's take a look at this from a bots perspective. Now I can exploit "free" software and wear garbage gear as I level with the bonus of other people's ncoin? Use my bottled adena for ncoin and get 99 fast and free. Also I didn't even have to register my name with credit card or PayPal, so recourse is pretty much non existent. So ncsoft loses all the bot coin sales. (everything affects the bottom line) How long do you think it would take people to just say screw it? Either quitting or starting to bot? All that leaves for nc is to sell 99. Your suggestions while good spirited would be in actuality the same demise to most private servers. The crack in a system that few exploiting would ruin for the many. Making that decision would be unethical as well as financially unsound.
I assume (apologies if you dont) that you will say but we have bots and rmt now, how will this be worse then now? Greatly reducing the time and reducing costs to zero to level and exploit trains. This could make others envious or finally quit. Critical mass of bots and discontent. You've heard many short answers, maybe this long winded one will get the point across.
I have to disagree with your conclusion.
You have mentioned, that such system would end same way as any donate system at free servers. But there is important difference. On free servers with donate - who is willing to pay RM can access to advantage (overenchanted gears for example) which players who aren't willing to donate can't access, which leads to desillusion of those who aren't willing to donate. But what I suggested means, that everyone, including legit players can access NC Store advantage, not only botters.
I try give you example:
Let's say, there is no Auction House functionality in the game. Orias will come to forum and write: what about make Auction House function in the game? All can sell their drops there and also can buy other player's drops. How would you counterargument to me? There are botters, they will buy top equip on server, it will greatly disbalance game enviroment, people will leave servers, don't do such thing. It is the same principle, you're trying tell me now. But real experience shows, that Auction Houses work and there is no major imbalance from botters. And that is my argument.
I don't think that they will implent Adena ---> Ncoin as that would destroy the entire cashflow for NCsoft, basically they are not making money since Ncoin is purchased by virtural money aka they could better just hand out Ncoin instead of doing such thing.
This.
If you give the ability to people to bot for free, they will. If you give the ability to get ncoin for free, they will. RMT would adjust prices to where it's cheaper to buy their adena and use for Ncoin then to purchase from NC. Of course this relies more on the purchaser of Ncoin but the fact of the matter is that it would completely undermine Ncoins sales. Yes the Ncoin will always come from NC, but the overall sales would plummet. I don't know what else I can say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
If you give the ability to people to bot for free, they will. If you give the ability to get ncoin for free, they will. RMT would adjust prices to where it's cheaper to buy their adena and use for Ncoin then to purchase from NC. Of course this relies more on the purchaser of Ncoin but the fact of the matter is that it would completely undermine Ncoins sales. Yes the Ncoin will always come from NC, but the overall sales would plummet. I don't know what else I can say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
You misunderstood the thread, he wants NCoins to be tradable between players, not possible to buy ncoins from NCsoft with adena.
OP, your auction house example is not the same, cause you have always been able to buy stuff from other people, AH just allowed people to "connect" easier.
You misunderstood the thread, he wants NCoins to be tradable between players, not possible to buy ncoins from NCsoft with adena.
Halleluyah! :-)
OP, your auction house example is not the same, cause you have always been able to buy stuff from other people, AH just allowed people to "connect" easier.
My Auction House example shows, that botters can "misuse" their tons of adena many different ways. They can misuse it to unbalance economy through NCoins the same way they can use it to unbalance economy through AH. We all know it - ordinary players spare their adena be able to afford unidentified Apostate Thrower from AH, meanwhile botters go to AH and spend 5 billions of adena for Blessed Specter Thrower with 2 SA. If AH doesn't ruin game because of botters, neither will tradable NCoins do. Because nowhere is written, that only botters get to NCoins. If I'm willing to purchase NCoins from NCwest, I can trade them to my friends for free or with discount prior to botters who can pay better. As well as if i drop Apo Thrower, I sell / give it to my clannies for affordable price rather than sell it to botters who can pay more adena for it. And I believe that I'm not alone thinking this way...
Anyway, i still say this would ruin the game.
We would need some Lab, which could judge our different opinions.. What about some time limited event at Shilen server for example..??? :-P
If you give the ability to people to bot for free, they will. If you give the ability to get ncoin for free, they will. RMT would adjust prices to where it's cheaper to buy their adena and use for Ncoin then to purchase from NC. Of course this relies more on the purchaser of Ncoin but the fact of the matter is that it would completely undermine Ncoins sales. Yes the Ncoin will always come from NC, but the overall sales would plummet. I don't know what else I can say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
1) If you give the ability to people to bot for free, they will
-> I suppose that botting will still remain forbidden and bannable, as it is now.
2) If you give the ability to get ncoin for free, they will
-> I don't want to give anybody NCoin for free, I suppose, that price of NCoin is set by in-game market, to reach balance between demand and offer
3) RMT would adjust prices to where it's cheaper to buy their adena and use for Ncoin then to purchase from NC.
-> That is pure speculation, since at this point nobody knows at which in-game price will NCoins settle. But realize, that RMTs aren't altruist, if they go down with prices, it will hurt them more, than any other antibot/RMT countermeasure done so far. And still: price of NCoins is balance between demand and offer. If there is less NCoins in game, players will ask higher prices for them and RMT loose their business. Then more players will buy NCoins instead of adena from RMTs and situation will be upside down between demand and offer and so on again and again (this is how market economy works). But don't forget one important thing - trade NCoins in-game for adena will still remain "legal", while purchasing adena directly from RMTs not.
4) Of course this relies more on the purchaser of Ncoin but the fact of the matter is that it would completely undermine Ncoins sales. Yes the Ncoin will always come from NC, but the overall sales would plummet.
-> Please try to be in more detail about these your conclusions. How exactly it "copletely undermine NCoins sales"? (People will stop demanding items from NC store? Why would they do that?). Why would "overall sales plummet" if we have in-game tradable NCoins?
Lets state the simple .... Inflation having 1 - 2 billion adena is nothing anymore really hardly buys you anything partly because NCsoft created huge adena sinks when they weren't needed hence more bots needed hence more adena farmers etc.
500 mil adena for SA? 1 billion for a talisman? and the money is poof from the server not staying in the economy.
I saw an idea at the Innova what not same but close to same to this. That a part of the Innova store items are able to exchange.
Like it is so crazy, that saw a guy bought Rune of XP 50% 7 days and sat out to Aden, that "wts rune of xp 50% 7 days 60kk".
This idea is WRONG! If you look at here many "top cheater" use a lots of items from L2 stores what for they pay a lots of Dollars.
But if they could buy them for Adena. They just would farm the Adena with their bot groups and wouldn't pay for the game nothing.
So this would be a financially loose for the NCwest. But also more and more bots appear on the Innova servers too, so maybe this idea at there too will become to a bigger financial loose.
This mainly would work in right form if we would have 24/7 live GMs on every server who do not allow for the players to make any illegal farms.
Maybe the NCwest can try out this idea and maybe it will successful but maybe, will result emo rage people and financial looses.
May NCwest had more bad l2 store ideas too, but I do still respect them, that they try to find out something now every time.
1) If you give the ability to people to bot for free, they will
-> I suppose that botting will still remain forbidden and bannable, as it is now.
2) If you give the ability to get ncoin for free, they will
-> I don't want to give anybody NCoin for free, I suppose, that price of NCoin is set by in-game market, to reach balance between demand and offer
3) RMT would adjust prices to where it's cheaper to buy their adena and use for Ncoin then to purchase from NC.
-> That is pure speculation, since at this point nobody knows at which in-game price will NCoins settle. But realize, that RMTs aren't altruist, if they go down with prices, it will hurt them more, than any other antibot/RMT countermeasure done so far. And still: price of NCoins is balance between demand and offer. If there is less NCoins in game, players will ask higher prices for them and RMT loose their business. Then more players will buy NCoins instead of adena from RMTs and situation will be upside down between demand and offer and so on again and again (this is how market economy works). But don't forget one important thing - trade NCoins in-game for adena will still remain "legal", while purchasing adena directly from RMTs not.
4) Of course this relies more on the purchaser of Ncoin but the fact of the matter is that it would completely undermine Ncoins sales. Yes the Ncoin will always come from NC, but the overall sales would plummet.
-> Please try to be in more detail about these your conclusions. How exactly it "copletely undermine NCoins sales"? (People will stop demanding items from NC store? Why would they do that?). Why would "overall sales plummet" if we have in-game tradable NCoins?
Ez tried to explain you something with my post and apperently you STILL don't know what he and me are talking about....
NCoin ---> Adena is Fine, you pay money for Ncoin and you can purchase adena by Ncoin and because NCsoft delivers the Ncoin they will make a profit of it, like it should be.
HOWEVER, if you have Adena ---> NCoin you are giving all the BOTS a FREE PASS for NCOIN, They can just farm up the adena and buy Ncoin FOR FREE, because Adena is VIRTURAL money as used in Lineage 2 for the economy.
you don't pay for adena, you pay for NCoin and so if you make Adena ---> Ncoin possible you would have everyone walking around with free NCoin since you don't pay for it with real money,the Economy on Lineage would increase to insane heights since everyone can obtain NCoin by just playing and farming adena, making NCoin useless and items insane high prices because they are easy to be obtained.
Also the Cashflow or Money income for NCsoft would drop to ZERO, since no one needs to buy Ncoin anymore, they just farm for a few hours or let a bot running picking up all adena.
So again i will make my statement about this topic and your suggestion:
NCoin ---> Adena, Yes good idea
Adena ---> NCoin, No too easy to exploit/farm
Trade between players, Adena for NCoin, Yes. This way one party still pays for NCoin.
Nothing against you or anything but just to make it clear :)
Seeing that there are many bot groups farming adena in LoA, MoS and such, some people can easily manage to get NCoins without spending a cent, just with adena popped up from thin air. And since currently those bot group managers are the biggest buyers from the store, you can easily guess how that would affect both in-game and out-of-game economies.
THIS.
This is the solution for banning bots.
Selling adena for nc coins would have to make them ban adena farming bots.
But I dont think they would do this to have the trouble to go after bots. We all know how ncsoft is haha
Ez tried to explain you something with my post and apperently you STILL don't know what he and me are talking about....
NCoin ---> Adena is Fine, you pay money for Ncoin and you can purchase adena by Ncoin and because NCsoft delivers the Ncoin they will make a profit of it, like it should be.
HOWEVER, if you have Adena ---> NCoin you are giving all the BOTS a FREE PASS for NCOIN, They can just farm up the adena and buy Ncoin FOR FREE, because Adena is VIRTURAL money as used in Lineage 2 for the economy.
you don't pay for adena, you pay for NCoin and so if you make Adena ---> Ncoin possible you would have everyone walking around with free NCoin since you don't pay for it with real money,the Economy on Lineage would increase to insane heights since everyone can obtain NCoin by just playing and farming adena, making NCoin useless and items insane high prices because they are easy to be obtained.
Also the Cashflow or Money income for NCsoft would drop to ZERO, since no one needs to buy Ncoin anymore, they just farm for a few hours or let a bot running picking up all adena.
So again i will make my statement about this topic and your suggestion:
NCoin ---> Adena, Yes good idea
Adena ---> NCoin, No too easy to exploit/farm
Trade between players, Adena for NCoin, Yes. This way one party still pays for NCoin.
Nothing against you or anything but just to make it clear :)
Adena ---> NCoin, No too easy to exploit/farm
Ah, that was misunderstanding at my side, I thought, that you see this as a secondary result of what I'm suggesting. Of course I don't suggest NCwest to sell NCcoins for Adena. Why would they do it? Maybe after all, they could have toon NCwest with gugallions of Adena a they could wage their employees' toons with them :-DDDD
I saw an idea at the Innova what not same but close to same to this. That a part of the Innova store items are able to exchange.
Like it is so crazy, that saw a guy bought Rune of XP 50% 7 days and sat out to Aden, that "wts rune of xp 50% 7 days 60kk".
This idea is WRONG! If you look at here many "top cheater" use a lots of items from L2 stores what for they pay a lots of Dollars.
But if they could buy them for Adena. They just would farm the Adena with their bot groups and wouldn't pay for the game nothing.
So this would be a financially loose for the NCwest. But also more and more bots appear on the Innova servers too, so maybe this idea at there too will become to a bigger financial loose.
This mainly would work in right form if we would have 24/7 live GMs on every server who do not allow for the players to make any illegal farms.
Maybe the NCwest can try out this idea and maybe it will successful but maybe, will result emo rage people and financial looses.
May NCwest had more bad l2 store ideas too, but I do still respect them, that they try to find out something now every time.
But if they could buy them for Adena. They just would farm the Adena with their bot groups and wouldn't pay for the game nothing.
So this would be a financially loose for the NCwest. But also more and more bots appear on the Innova servers too, so maybe this idea at there too will become to a bigger financial loose.
1) Nobody here, including me, suggest NCwest to sell NCoins for adena (because, of course, it is an economic nonsense for NCwest to do such thing).
2) What I'm suggesting means, that every NCoin in game must be originally bought from NCwest for RM. Think about this: If all players wouldn't buy NCoins form NCwest, and buy only NCoins from other players for adena, there wouldn't be any NCoins in game at all. Buying NCoins from NCwest for RM is the only channel, to get them into game, so NCwest can never loose. The other way around overall NCoins consumption and demand for them will only increase, as there will be more people demanding them, since players refusing to pay RM can pay their adena to people willing to pay RM to NCwest.
Let me to tell You what will happen:
Bots will bot harder, they will sell alot of NC coin stuff ingame. With the adena they get, they will sell to ppl/buy stuff from the shop and make inflation, so the prices of the items they sell will go up. Servers will be totally unplayable if you don`t use program for chat a.k.a. teamspeak or ventrillo, because the chat window will be full of RMT.
The best example is Hellgate London. It had great numbers of players, also alot of bots spamming every single channel that exist. The pass to play after chapter 3 costed 300k game money, and when they attacked the price went 3x.
Now guess what happen to the players that used to play there.
/edit/ all i see in you is just a guy who want to make some money
Everything I have read so far is interesting and pretty fair! But it is a very nice idea to be able to get some ncoins with inflame effort. Trade in game items that are sold for ncoins , or have a chance for ncoins as reward from quests! For example I have an account that I no longer play and it has a lot of vitality items sitting there! Why not be able to give the vitality items and get an accessory that I could copy to use on my main?
I also have hundreds of enchant fragments that are 0priced in box shop and way more expensive to use than to buy an enchant scroll......just saying
NCSoft has a monopoly on Ncoins. They control the production, supply, distribution and dispensation. Why muddy their revenue stream by allowing middle men and third parties to much things up?
This is just enabling select players to control the markets. NC already has legal RMT. You go to gamestop and buy the Ncoin cards that will get you two bonus codes for items in L2 and Aion. Those items can be sold in game for a lot of adena. Trade the aion code for a L2 code for a second item.
Allowing players to sell ncoins which they bought will ultimately reduce sales to NC if some players chose to buy it from another player. They aren't giving money to NC for it so really it's a potentially lost sale to NC. Simply put ONE person rather than TWO bought Ncoins and paid RM for it.
Now what this will do to the game economy when there is so much adena is it will make the price on everything sky rocket. You see this on private servers who have high adena drop rates. The more adena people need the more they will run bots,buy adena or as you suggested sell ncoins. Some people will even use this to sell adena to the adena sites.
All in all I don't think this is a good idea. I honestly predict that there will be adena packages in the L2 store. I said last year that we'd see boss jewels and well they are temporary,but they are in the store. Won't be long you can get the real thing. Adena will be the last pathetic thing they do to soak the game for more money.