Hello there I wan't to talk about HP potions like warrior's quick healing pots which restores about 5000 hp and draco's health potions which is 3000 hp (still a lot of people got these ones :S)
Now everyone using them at PvP even if 1vs1, thats sucks, those potions ****** up the PvP especially 1vs1 (cowards people using them and feel like I beated u, i'm pro)
Why don't you just delete them? I guess that would be much better.
At least MP potions is still ok. I hope you can consider this
PD: even the heros are using them at 1vs1, thats makes u a coward guy without ballz when u make 1vs1.
do you know that you can buy them too and since you are such a big guy and better than them, i'm sure you can get plenty of pots beating those cowards in olympiad. good news for you, those pots cant be used in oly so its fair and square.
do you know that you can buy them too and since you are such a big guy and better than them, i'm sure you can get plenty of pots beating those cowards in olympiad. good news for you, those pots cant be used in oly so its fair and square.
Well if we're going to play like that server wouldnt be like real retail one, these pots in my opinion its only for high servers. and thats lame, not fair. Maybe desactive them during PvP and then PvE wouldnt be that bad :-)
I believe they totally destroyed the pvp after gog,since people who can afford them(either because they log endless bots or because they spent big cash in coin shop),can not die in pvp against any player even 99 with +10 skills and pretty good gear that will use just cp pots and some elixir.Even worst than those,are the superior ones from coin shop,which fully restore cp/hp and have no reuse.People who want to be pvp-godstyle,spend hundreads of euros every month and normal players have no way to win them.
What Ncwest should have done is to create the same pvp pots that existed before but for the new hp/cp of awakened toons.For the warior healing pots,they should get deleted,since untill gog noone was using them (maybe on some special ocassion) since all were saving their tolkens to get the good items from oly manager but now thanks to insane fame to obtain items, the players in 1-2 place every month can get enough whp to spam everyday.
Yes , it's true, these potions add insult to injury. Fact is nobody who plays at end game with all these "benefits" is even looking at the screen anymore unfortunately. you can literaly look at tv as you make macro for /atack -> /hp pot, the script does the rest:)
None of you PvP anyways competitively anyways, what do you care about who uses what potions. Just go back to killing monsters and crafting, no need to worry about pots.
Most definitely stay out of CoC and olympiad, I mean those two free events only get you tokens which can buy the evil pots.
Wow.
Its pretty much "Please nerf, i am too poor to afford it, so everyone else should suffer".
IKR? only the ppl with the most pots on their inventories should win pvp, cuz it requires so much skill and practice to be able to "press" the same key over and over again, and its such a good game mechanic that if taken away, it would kill most of the fun of pvp.
yeah. remove qhp potions, also OE'd r99 armors/weapons and other stuff. keep only non grade - a grade. maybe S. all other items delete. then pvp will be nice and fair...
and about qhp.. well it's ok. just need some reuse on them or something.. yesterday i had pvp against d.elf spoiler.. 95+ (seraph armor).. i made ~90k+ dmg to him.. and gues what.. nothing. i died :D i used just ~15 oly qhp. and he.. idk how much. so yes. remove them. i can't win against spoilers!!! also wizards when they put me in the air and drop on ground :(
The pvp mechanism as it now rly helps you stay alive with those pots against a player with overenchanted gear ,so you will say "ok but the player with the oe gear can use them also" but ! there is a but ...those pots you gain access to them by farming oly ,you dont need to pay ncoins .So if you remove those pots then again you end up to loose from ppl that alrdy have oe gear and have alot of euros/dollars to spend on ncstore.
So better stop qqing about wqhp and go spend some time in oly to finish your matches and gain access to those god like pots you so qq.
oly qhp should be tradable, or price lower to 10-20 tokens for 1. now with 40-50k tokens you can buy ~300 of them and spent in 2 days. mb faster if you go pvp solo :)
The topic has lost its value ... in my view is not the fact of having 804839042... draco potions or quick healing potions, ..... this is irrelevant.
The fact is that nobody makes pvp x1 in the open field, except oly but oly doesn't count (it's training day) ......... everyone does zerg, either with or cp's or clan's. (I have nothing against cp or clan, after each follows his destiny).
@ Gabox: I understand where you want to go, after all you are one of the few players who despite being in full of clan wars, you're dared to confront some unsuspecting enemies ... alone...
... while your reputation within the server is the worst, achieving certain things within the game illegally.
P.S: I'm not saying this about you (nothing personal against you, respect as a player) but most of the players already know that your reputation is not well known in Shilen.
None of you PvP anyways competitively anyways, what do you care about who uses what potions. Just go back to killing monsters and crafting, no need to worry about pots.
You're such a big mace-wielding, green-skinned guy.
You're such a big mace-wielding, green-skinned guy.
Yet he's right to an extent. There are a lot of people on the boards and ingame who never participated in a competitive pvp and yet give tons of opinions about it.
Yet he's right to an extent. There are a lot of people on the boards and ingame who never participated in a competitive pvp and yet give tons of opinions about it.
This doesn't mean that every PvP not involving Diego, or not posted on Youtube or L2guru didn't happen, though.
This doesn't mean that every PvP not involving Diego, or not posted on Youtube or L2guru didn't happen, though.
You really don't get it, huh? I could write a wall of text to explain what I mean by "to an extent" and "competitive" but I couldn't be bothered less getting into endless discussions.
The pvp mechanism as it now rly helps you stay alive with those pots against a player with overenchanted gear ,so you will say "ok but the player with the oe gear can use them also" but ! there is a but ...those pots you gain access to them by farming oly ,you dont need to pay ncoins .So if you remove those pots then again you end up to loose from ppl that alrdy have oe gear and have alot of euros/dollars to spend on ncstore.
So better stop qqing about wqhp and go spend some time in oly to finish your matches and gain access to those god like pots you so qq.
Only 90k? I was pvping a bot protector for 1 hour in sel mahum, he just kept on using pots. i mustve done a milion dmg to him lol im sure he wasnt even looking at me :D or solo pvp on HF/sos, there comes LordsOfHpPots followed by a bsoe.
The pvp mechanism as it now rly helps you stay alive with those pots against a player with overenchanted gear ,so you will say "ok but the player with the oe gear can use them also" but ! there is a but ...those pots you gain access to them by farming oly ,you dont need to pay ncoins .So if you remove those pots then again you end up to loose from ppl that alrdy have oe gear and have alot of euros/dollars to spend on ncstore.
So better stop qqing about wqhp and go spend some time in oly to finish your matches and gain access to those god like pots you so qq.
raise yours char yourself, then qq. it's not only wghp, some got stuff like draco potions and etc. put a reuse on them items and that will be end of pots spam.
bring back true pvp where skill matters not amount of hp pots and size of script's
raise yours char yourself, then qq. it's not only wghp, some got stuff like draco potions and etc. put a reuse on them items and that will be end of pots spam.
bring back true pvp where skill matters not amount of hp pots and size of script's
Tell 1st ncsoft to remove final ultimate evasion (30" god mode) and shadow dash (15" the same) and lets not forget the shadow hide and after i want to see you if you will say the same about wqhp and draco pots,bcs its easy for daggers open 2 skills and hit enemy for 45" untargetable not need use pots just deal dmg and bla bla on forums about the game is so unfair to them.Have a nice day sir
Tell 1st ncsoft to remove final ultimate evasion (30" god mode) and shadow dash (15" the same) and lets not forget the shadow hide and after i want to see you if you will say the same about wqhp and draco pots,bcs its easy for daggers open 2 skills and hit enemy for 45" untargetable not need use pots just deal dmg and bla bla on forums about the game is so unfair to them.Have a nice day sir
lol tyrrs have 20 seconds on +10 barrier invincibility. Nukers have over 40 seconds barrier while reflecting, healers have cele+crystal,+hp % heal+ impossible mana, tanks have ud+frenzy+ pt ud, archer has hide+ UE, ISS has cele+rock+pig+transform enemy, summoner has 20 second barrier at +10 + exile and the most abusive reflect dmg in the game.
Who doesn't like to play PvP with potions, can go to Ceremony of Chaos or Olympiad, there are fair rules.
As M0ARRR told too, the best potions comes for free from Olympiad and Ceremony of Chaos.
If even some of you, never doesn't buy nothing nothing from L2 Store (while has money to smoke, weed, alcohol, etc what is same useless anyway as by your viewpoint pay for a video game) at least let those spend their money in L2 Store who wish spend their money here and support the game development by this way.
First people you have to study to play, after can cry if something maybe bad, right now many things are fine in game and store too, only most of you make wrong or bad gameplay.
What has the store anything to do with broken gameplay due to the futility of having a set of skills? I actualy thot l2 players here were playing on an harsh enviornment without instant-gratification during combat. Save that for privs.
You are completetly off-subject.
And even if it had anythign to do, it's strange on how NCwest has to make money by breaking the game, other companies don't and they are doing great. So your argument is invalid and doesn't apply to potions not having re-use or being too powerful.
Who doesn't like to play PvP with potions, can go to Ceremony of Chaos or Olympiad, there are fair rules.
As M0ARRR told too, the best potions comes for free from Olympiad and Ceremony of Chaos.
No.
Top pvp partys use coin shop superior pots that refill FULL cp/hp WITHOUT reuse and gives them the survibility to pvp 1 party against more partys.All rest of potions is good ofc to have them since you can spam them without worrying you may run out.
There is the ''broken link'' in the original design between classes/lvl difference and damage/variety-ammount of pvp pots in the past and today.
-In the past,pvp pots were linked with the lvling/pvp award system of game,as craft cp from nobless,getting qhp from castle,getting HS pots from talismans.The wqhp from oly were an addon someone would use in a rare emergency occasion like on castle prayer or something like that,because oly shop was full of items players did need them for uber gear or for make adena.Also,all pvp pots used to weight a lot(ores also had weight),so players couldnt spam endless of potions in one pvp,even if they could afford buy them.
-After gog,this pvp system was not adjusted to awakened new toon's stats.Unless this change and all players of pvp clans can play with same potions,pvp is dead.
lol tyrrs have 20 seconds on +10 barrier invincibility. Nukers have over 40 seconds barrier while reflecting, healers have cele+crystal,+hp % heal+ impossible mana, tanks have ud+frenzy+ pt ud, archer has hide+ UE, ISS has cele+rock+pig+transform enemy, summoner has 20 second barrier at +10 + exile and the most abusive reflect dmg in the game.
Your point?
Dude i don't know who you are and have nothing against you ,so don't get emo with what i will write but obviously you have no clue about skills. The nuker barrier you said if nukers use it they are finished bcs their mp will run out and they will be useless,the tyrs barrier you can deal with it bcs a tyr cant half kill you like a dagger, so it's not point to mention that.Healers ofc they have celestial bcs thats their job to protect party ppl and them selfs,archers have also ue like daggers wich is an op skill for them and summoners arent so dangerous in 1vs1 like daggers so the game tend to be balanced like that.If you remove those pots then all classes except daggers and archers will be ****ed .
What has the store anything to do with broken gameplay due to the futility of having a set of skills? I actualy thot l2 players here were playing on an harsh enviornment without instant-gratification during combat. Save that for privs.
You are completetly off-subject.
And even if it had anythign to do, it's strange on how NCwest has to make money by breaking the game, other companies don't and they are doing great. So your argument is invalid and doesn't apply to potions not having re-use or being too powerful.
I do not say, that it is good idea, that they can use potions like this with 0 sec reuse, but atm for this you should cry at the Korean developers, who develop these potions.
lol tyrrs have 20 seconds on +10 barrier invincibility. Nukers have over 40 seconds barrier while reflecting, healers have cele+crystal,+hp % heal+ impossible mana, tanks have ud+frenzy+ pt ud, archer has hide+ UE, ISS has cele+rock+pig+transform enemy, summoner has 20 second barrier at +10 + exile and the most abusive reflect dmg in the game.
Your point?
Tyrr Barrier can only be used at 20% hp, when they nerfed dispiration they also nerfed Giants barrier so you cant use it properly when lifted or exiled (it will cancel the lift but not give CS). EZ mode to kill a tyrr who depends on this to survive since you can just lift him or dot stack him and seal in exile before he gets to 1/5th hp. The only tyrr that can pull this off properly is the orc tyr becuse their racial skill is bs.
Racial: Undying Will -> Giant Barrier is OP and provides forgiveness for too much badness.
Anyhow all of these effects dont matter, pots or no pots you are going down in mass pvp if a group of archers in br/minds eye assist.
Tell 1st ncsoft to remove final ultimate evasion (30" god mode) and shadow dash (15" the same) and lets not forget the shadow hide and after i want to see you if you will say the same about wqhp and draco pots,bcs its easy for daggers open 2 skills and hit enemy for 45" untargetable not need use pots just deal dmg and bla bla on forums about the game is so unfair to them.Have a nice day sir
UE etc is a skill and I have got no problems with that, same as any barriers/ud's yokes etc. But pot's is just bs. Put reuse on them and problem solved. Not only daggers or yuls do big dmg, feohs has got big dmg too and blinks as well, with mana barrier, yoke and that skill that keeps ppl in circle, do not remember name, so there u go, every class got something, it is called skill. And person behind character need to HAVE some skill to be playing his character, pot's takes equality away as some ppl do not have means to get them, oly? of course, but that is limited as well, u are not going to get around 400 potions for every day from oly, or are you :)?
Dude i don't know who you are and have nothing against you ,so don't get emo with what i will write but obviously you have no clue about skills. The nuker barrier you said if nukers use it they are finished bcs their mp will run out and they will be useless,the tyrs barrier you can deal with it bcs a tyr cant half kill you like a dagger, so it's not point to mention that.Healers ofc they have celestial bcs thats their job to protect party ppl and them selfs,archers have also ue like daggers wich is an op skill for them and summoners arent so dangerous in 1vs1 like daggers so the game tend to be balanced like that.If you remove those pots then all classes except daggers and archers will be ****ed .
You do know there are MP potions ingame right?
Half kill ONLY works on CP. Your point?
Yea..some people do need to know how skills work...
Oh and yea, you'd be surprised on how some wynns can 1 shot people without roflminds eye or lol of death. But since u see every CP with archers, obviously you only think archer is true dd. Im more worried about archers stunning for 20 seconds than some lol UE.
You only cry because you're archer and you can't kill dagger without pots. So again remidn me why u mention UE from dagger..when it's the only thing that saves a dagger, besides hide.
Tyrr Barrier can only be used at 20% hp, when they nerfed dispiration they also nerfed Giants barrier so you cant use it properly when lifted or exiled (it will cancel the lift but not give CS). EZ mode to kill a tyrr who depends on this to survive since you can just lift him or dot stack him and seal in exile before he gets to 1/5th hp. The only tyrr that can pull this off properly is the orc tyr becuse their racial skill is bs.
Racial: Undying Will -> Giant Barrier is OP and provides forgiveness for too much badness.
Anyhow all of these effects dont matter, pots or no pots you are going down in mass pvp if a group of archers in br/minds eye assist.
And now tell me, in open pvp (which is the place where pots work, how do you can realize the HP of your oponent? This is just an excuse, giant barrier is easily used on open pvp, it's too hard to measure the exact HP percentage and exile/lift has terribly low land rate with rage on.
And anyways on Lindvior every tyr is going to choose Barrier as racial most likely to make it possible to always go barrier unless you get hit with over 20% hp when u are close to 20% hp.
If you remove those pots then all classes except daggers and archers will be ****ed .
I don't agree w/ the OP, i like hp/cp pots, but rly dude, you couldnt be more wrong...
It's exactly the oposite, a cp spamming yul is the hardest thing to kill, cause you hit for 5-20k and you get 10-50k crits. And that's why yul is the best PvP class atm. Yul makes unhealable dmg.
Guys i think that the discusion went out of topic .
1st we dont talk about mass pvp the topic was about wqhp/draco pots in 1vs1.
2nd im not an archer
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3rd old cp/quick and hot springs pots... after a char gets awakend with all this cp/hp are pointless to use.
So to sum up on mass pvp either you use those super pots or not you will end up dead ,you need to count more on having 2 healers to have celestial-mass purge-mass purge-party ud-celestial and with the help of those pots you will last abit more nothing special.
Classes as they are now getting balanced with this pots just w8 untill lindvior thinks will change .
And for those that hate those pots i believe they are just bored to farm the game or dont know how to.
I don't agree w/ the OP, i like hp/cp pots, but rly dude, you couldnt be more wrong...
It's exactly the oposite, a cp spamming yul is the hardest thing to kill, cause you hit for 5-20k and you get 10-50k crits. And that's why yul is the best PvP class atm. Yul makes unhealable dmg.
Yul would not make 50k dmg unless mind eye + rhaps + +xx blessed bow and he is few lvl higher then you, 3.5-15k usual dmg, skill crit around 22k, any1 is hard to kill spamming potions, unless u one shot him, wich is still hard, and if he would not have potions, game would be even, that is what we are talking here about. It is not skill game anymore, it is potions and scrips now. There is few pt's around w/o scripts, but they have no chance against full auto with hundreds of thousands of potions
Yul would not make 50k dmg unless mind eye + rhaps + +xx blessed bow and he is few lvl higher then you, 3.5-15k usual dmg, skill crit around 22k
Yeah... Like there is none yul porting from CH to any pvp location w/ BR nuking down everything in his path... I don't know if u noticed, but yul is the No1 Ninja killer in-game right now... Spy w/ camera --> BR+MI+UE --> port --> 1-2 shot 1-2 enemies --> BSOE --> Repeat
Yul would not make 50k dmg unless mind eye + rhaps + +xx blessed bow and he is few lvl higher then you, 3.5-15k usual dmg, skill crit around 22k, any1 is hard to kill spamming potions, unless u one shot him, wich is still hard, and if he would not have potions, game would be even, that is what we are talking here about. It is not skill game anymore, it is potions and scrips now. There is few pt's around w/o scripts, but they have no chance against full auto with hundreds of thousands of potions
no, circumrad is right, archer is the best ganker. you cannot outrun it, and it hits more than you can heal, and that ****** stun can last for 20 seconds in which u cant make potion use during that time unless u can instantly cleanse.
draco pots will end someday, already selling for 500k+ each on chronos so they are limited to the mysteriously super-adena-rich ppl.
All in all the NC-Coin Pots are the one making the differenc since WQHP are accesible to all of us in which case the saying "money talks" steps in. Get over it.
no, circumrad is right, archer is the best ganker. you cannot outrun it, and it hits more than you can heal, and that ****** stun can last for 20 seconds in which u cant make potion use during that time unless u can instantly cleanse.
increase stun resistance, I rarely get stunned, zaken + istina earring, np, but every class has got skills that disables others in pvp. They don't gank, unless they have loads of pots, high or top lvl and really good gear, in witch case any character would be good at ganking. Seen feohs doing that, rogues, wynn's and they are all capable chars (did not see any tyrr's tho :)), if u don't know what to do with yours, reroll, or start learning. If you lvled up to 95 or 97, that does not make you any harder target for 99 lvl ppl with ++++++ skills and weapon, but potions do enable silly fights, when all pt can't kill 2 persons as they spam all the pots available in game, it kills the pleasure of the game. It does not bother me too much as I do know witch ppl needs to be avoided and when to pr as there is full auto pt coming with thousands of pots, but I doubt that this will ever be changed, same as ppl using illegal soft to lvl up or make adena, no one even got baned for exploiting bug to get +++++++ gear, so that's an off server for you.
I think you misunderstand the whole point of my post.
Archer > any class at ganking. *hands down* A good archer will always out do at ganking compared to any other good DD.
But you never saw my post where i said some wynns can 1 shot people.
The point of the thread is about HP pots making game imbalanced on smal scale pvp, not about reroll or whos bad at which class, if you'd know im wynn you'd realize i have NP with ganks, coz im half tank.:)
None of you PvP anyways competitively anyways, what do you care about who uses what potions.
->competitive pvp
->hacked +19 weapons
Does not compute.
@topic: QHP are a far bigger problem right now than CP pots were, say, 6 years ago. A 200 CP heal when an archer/dagger/nuker/titan hits you for 4k is nothing. But a 5k HP/CP heal when only nukers/archer can consistently hit for over 10k is a huge deal.
Not to mention that all classes have a much bigger HP/CP pool, so getting hit for 20k dmg is pointless since you are back to full health with just 4 pots.
Also a very common complaint by the "competitive" players (which are 99% you-know-what users) is that pvp lasts too long, so you would think they'd be in favor of removing pots, right? But of course they are not, because how else would they gank lowbies if they can't heal themselves to full health every second? ;)
@topic: QHP are a far bigger problem right now than CP pots were, say, 6 years ago. A 200 CP heal when an archer/dagger/nuker/titan hits you for 4k is nothing. But a 5k HP/CP heal when only nukers/archer can consistently hit for over 10k is a huge deal.
Not to mention that all classes have a much bigger HP/CP pool, so getting hit for 20k dmg is pointless since you are back to full health with just 4 pots.
Also a very common complaint by the "competitive" players (which are 99% you-know-what users) is that pvp lasts too long, so you would think they'd be in favor of removing pots, right? But of course they are not, because how else would they gank lowbies if they can't heal themselves to full health every second? ;)
No +19 weapon here son. Pretty sure I smash kids teeth in with +4 sg duals, sup ? yes I am that good.
You make it sound like oly qhp werent 25-30% hp heals or something. It takes a full 2 seconds to recover 20k health with oly qhp. That seems quick sure, but your damage numbers for archers are way off. CC+ME+BR Crits are gonna slap kids for 25k+. I have personally been crit by enemies for 29k having 8k pdef in ogre with knights. The real abuse with the archer is that counte crit damage does not count towards reflect, so when they hit you for 30k they take little or nothing back should you survive.
Hello there I wan't to talk about HP potions like warrior's quick healing pots which restores about 5000 hp and draco's health potions which is 3000 hp (still a lot of people got these ones :S)
Now everyone using them at PvP even if 1vs1, thats sucks, those potions ****** up the PvP especially 1vs1 (cowards people using them and feel like I beated u, i'm pro)
Why don't you just delete them? I guess that would be much better.
At least MP potions is still ok. I hope you can consider this
PD: even the heros are using them at 1vs1, thats makes u a coward guy without ballz when u make 1vs1.
The real abuse with the archer is that counte crit damage does not count towards reflect, so when they hit you for 30k they take little or nothing back should you survive.
You sure it is CC? Cause I thought you just cant reflect more than your Pdef
No +19 weapon here son. Pretty sure I smash kids teeth in with +4 sg duals, sup ? yes I am that good.
You make it sound like oly qhp werent 25-30% hp heals or something. It takes a full 2 seconds to recover 20k health with oly qhp. That seems quick sure, but your damage numbers for archers are way off. CC+ME+BR Crits are gonna slap kids for 25k+. I have personally been crit by enemies for 29k having 8k pdef in ogre with knights. The real abuse with the archer is that counte crit damage does not count towards reflect, so when they hit you for 30k they take little or nothing back should you survive.
You don't need pots to survive for 30 seconds in pvp, you have party UD, party rescue, party celes, celestial aegis, etc. I have seen you complain about pvp lasting too long so why are you in favor of keeping pots in the game? Surely taking something that allows you to survive when both healers are dead/silenced/hated out of the game would make pvp faster?
And my comment about hacked red weapons wasn't directed at you, but at your clan. I don't play on chronos but I follow the drama and it's stupid for nova to claim they "pwn" genocide when you need several members of your clan to use hacked weapons and pvp scripts.
You sure it is CC? Cause I thought you just cant reflect more than your Pdef
If you have less than 1700 pdef your reflect % is reduced, that reduction continues down to 1% should your pdef get low enough. This was a fix the korean devs put in place awhile ago to stop pve abuse with ignore death + strong pdef debuffs and reflect.
Regarding CC the critical damage CC provides does not count towards any damage that you reflect. Its kind of dumb but thats why people think archer damage is bugged.. its just the CC portion when it procs.
You don't need pots to survive for 30 seconds in pvp, you have party UD, party rescue, party celes, celestial aegis, etc. I have seen you complain about pvp lasting too long so why are you in favor of keeping pots in the game? Surely taking something that allows you to survive when both healers are dead/silenced/hated out of the game would make pvp faster?
You must be confused, i said that people crying in this thread need to not worry about pots because they dont really compete at a level that matters. If you re-read what I posted I said that in competitive pvp potions dont matter because proper assisting will drop you regardless of potion use.
What potions do enable is average players to easily survive against bad/unprepared players, and there is nothing wrong with that.
You must be confused, i said that people crying in this thread need to not worry about pots because they dont really compete at a level that matters. If you re-read what I posted I said that in competitive pvp potions dont matter because proper assisting will drop you regardless of potion use.
What potions do enable is average players to easily survive against bad/unprepared players, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Long live the gank.
what you just said just proves how clueless you are LOL, if the players were bad then they would not need the help of Qhp to beat those so called "bad/unprepared" players would they?
and since dracos and stuff are so expensive how is an "average" player supposed to get enough as to spam them on pvp? surely wont go and spend them on some bad or unprepared lowbies.
what you just said just proves how clueless you are LOL, if the players were bad then they would not need the help of Qhp to beat those so called "bad/unprepared" players would they?
and since dracos and stuff are so expensive how is an "average" player supposed to get enough as to spam them on pvp? surely wont go and spend them on some bad or unprepared lowbies.
It allows the average player to take on a group of bad, unprepared players without dying.
In competitive pvp, which is your good ol' group vs group pvp, pots don't matter as any DD class dies easily with proper assisting regardless of pot spam and heals just because combined DDs with stacked debuffs hit so hard.
The lack of understanding of this concept is why he said what he said in the first place. "people crying in this thread need to not worry about pots because they dont really compete at a level that matters." Everyone who understands this concepts plays at a competitive level and don't care about this issue because they work around it or with it.
Except its not true at all. I understand what he's saying, but the fact is that 7vs7 between top parties here, on european, russian or korean servers last a minimum of 20 minutes, and can easily last over an hour.
If you don't think an endless supply of QHP/brez has anything to do with that, maybe you shouldn't be in a discussion forum.
Except its not true at all. I understand what he's saying, but the fact is that 7vs7 between top parties here, on european, russian or korean servers last a minimum of 20 minutes, and can easily last over an hour.
If you don't think an endless supply of QHP/brez has anything to do with that, maybe you shouldn't be in a discussion forum.
Except its not true at all. I understand what he's saying, but the fact is that 7vs7 between top parties here, on european, russian or korean servers last a minimum of 20 minutes, and can easily last over an hour.
If you don't think an endless supply of QHP/brez has anything to do with that, maybe you shouldn't be in a discussion forum.
Yeah trust me its not. I sometimes do 7v7 with my own clan and we don't use pots (waste of money) and the pvp lasts a long time.
Its the current class mechanics, it has little to do with pots. The real problem lies within the overwhelming defensive aspects of tanks and healers whom have large offensive capabilities for classes with such large defensive aspects which is why those classes are very difficult to beat for a lot of classes. Again as been said, lack of understanding of this concept gives you more things to worry about in this game than pot spam.
However, throw in some bad players on those classes and yes the pvp will be short. :)
Cool story but you're still wrong. Just watch some fraps of top korean players and you'll see what I'm talking about. Instead of the button-smash that most western players do, they actually time their debuffs/CC perfectly. When both healers are silenced/hated 100% of the time they are not immune, it's the pots keeping them alive.
Cool story but you're still wrong. Just watch some fraps of top korean players and you'll see what I'm talking about. Instead of the button-smash that most western players do, they actually time their debuffs/CC perfectly. When both healers are silenced/hated 100% of the time they are not immune, it's the pots keeping them alive.
it s funny because all heroe s of Coc won only for spamm hp pots...and after glory days only for that stupids books of lethal....
ncsoft think before create an event?...
the joke is the ppl who need use ranger for pvp because they cant target, assist , auto-evade some skills or autopots...and appears in videos showing his "talent" in pvp...:(
You must be confused, i said that people crying in this thread need to not worry about pots because they dont really compete at a level that matters. If you re-read what I posted I said that in competitive pvp potions dont matter because proper assisting will drop you regardless of potion use.
What potions do enable is average players to easily survive against bad/unprepared players, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Long live the gank.
This, only ever use pots when ganking solo, and even then don't really ever need them unless there are multiple people.
Yes, there might be more "carebears" on the korean player-base, but that doesn't change the fact that top koreans players are wayyyyyy better at pvp than top western players. The fact that you even *think* otherwise just shows how clueless you are.
Seriously, just watch some fraps of 7vs7 between top korean groups and you'll change your mind. They actually manage to be better at assisting/CCing than "top" western players on ranger. Their siege strategies make you look like a bunch of headless chickens.
And that's just group work, I'm not even mentioning individual player skill. On some classes the difference between top players here and there is small, but on classes where a great player truly shines (tank, enchanter, healer, and to an extent summoner) there is a huge skill gap. Top korean tanks make players like Lucie or Hitcha look like 12-year olds smashing buttons silly.
It allows the average player to take on a group of bad, unprepared players without dying.
In competitive pvp, which is your good ol' group vs group pvp, pots don't matter as any DD class dies easily with proper assisting regardless of pot spam and heals just because combined DDs with stacked debuffs hit so hard.
The lack of understanding of this concept is why he said what he said in the first place. "people crying in this thread need to not worry about pots because they dont really compete at a level that matters." Everyone who understands this concepts plays at a competitive level and don't care about this issue because they work around it or with it.
that does not reflect reality. They do hit hard, but you have got level and gear difference, so lower lvl pt with better assisting and tactics could kill higher lvl ppl with better guns, but because of pot's spam, skill and tactics does not mean much, also doesnt help ppl with scripts witch interrupts skills. Hopefully after new update bots will get baned time after time and there will be no accounts left for botting and everything will balance out as ppl will not be able to spend so much money on pots and oly pots will be the only option. Btw, ty for banning ppl who used exploit, now-> ban bots
Yes, there might be more "carebears" on the korean player-base, but that doesn't change the fact that top koreans players are wayyyyyy better at pvp than top western players. The fact that you even *think* otherwise just shows how clueless you are.
Seriously, just watch some fraps of 7vs7 between top korean groups and you'll change your mind. They actually manage to be better at assisting/CCing than "top" western players on ranger. Their siege strategies make you look like a bunch of headless chickens.
And that's just group work, I'm not even mentioning individual player skill. On some classes the difference between top players here and there is small, but on classes where a great player truly shines (tank, enchanter, healer, and to an extent summoner) there is a huge skill gap. Top korean tanks make players like Lucie or Hitcha look like 12-year olds smashing buttons silly.
last time i saw korean archer pvp vid i kinda lol'd
using full light set except his pants was heavy
using rapid fire toggle 24/7
need more? i mean rly :D and yes these guys are in top clan cus many other vids from same clan are about mass pvp for epic or w/e
what you just said just proves how clueless you are LOL, if the players were bad then they would not need the help of Qhp to beat those so called "bad/unprepared" players would they?
and since dracos and stuff are so expensive how is an "average" player supposed to get enough as to spam them on pvp? surely wont go and spend them on some bad or unprepared lowbies.
Diego is not clueless,he only doesnt want to loose what he gots.
And since i see no other player mention it,i repeat once more what's the worst thing in todays ''cp pots'' that destroyed the pvp
- minimum weight in all potions,players can carry enough to stay gang a port and pvp all evening partysparty without need to go restock,meaning players that cant beat them cant find a moment to port and continue their game
- endless pots that only bottrainers could make on events(like draco's)
- endless warior potions overspam from heroes since tolkens are useless for anything else after god and last 12 months they made milions of them.
- nc coins shop superior cp/hp elixirs(or how theyr called) that no potion ingame can match them,a party spaming those is litteraly immortal no matter how many dds assist/hit them
-no relation at all between castle products and pvp,campaign siege and pvp,like the qhp/hs pots used to,we should even have a skill at 99 lvls like crafting superior cp pots(similar to the old noble skill cp craft)
all these pots must not get deleted from game since the balance between classes skills/survibility has been changed longtime ago and cant stay alive without using pots,but CHANGED into potions that all awakened toons/toons in clans with castle can acquire - delete the ones in coin shop,healing instantly 100% of your cp/hp nonstop is a joke -
last time i saw korean archer pvp vid i kinda lol'd
using full light set except his pants was heavy
using rapid fire toggle 24/7
need more? i mean rly :D and yes these guys are in top clan cus many other vids from same clan are about mass pvp for epic or w/e http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HSLs29N15E
Korean dev.team think that HP potions without reuse time must exist in the game and yesterday they added Heavenly Celestial Potion(similar to warrior HP potion) as limited promotion to their shop: http://lineage2.plaync.co.kr/board/notice/view?articleId=534538
Its possible to exchange them, drop, sale in auction/private store.
But there are a lot of way to get them for free by game methods: from olympiad to killing raid bosses
The topic has lost its value ... in my view is not the fact of having 804839042... draco potions or quick healing potions, ..... this is irrelevant.
The fact is that nobody makes pvp x1 in the open field, except oly but oly doesn't count (it's training day) ......... everyone does zerg, either with or cp's or clan's. (I have nothing against cp or clan, after each follows his destiny).
@ Gabox: I understand where you want to go, after all you are one of the few players who despite being in full of clan wars, you're dared to confront some unsuspecting enemies ... alone...
... while your reputation within the server is the worst, achieving certain things within the game illegally.
P.S: I'm not saying this about you (nothing personal against you, respect as a player) but most of the players already know that your reputation is not well known in Shilen.
i'm sorry dude but i wouldn't give a **** when someone insult ur family (especially my mom) nothing personal, good luck.