my profession is Healer and i rly enjoy playing it. Most of the times i do good, 0 death during Kartia or other instances. But from time to time it happens, that someone dies. Either the boss crits, i have slight lag or something else...
But lately i had a kartia group which used to whiped A FEW times. Never had this before.
But guys pls... before you blame the healer for dying/whiping:
1) Get decent equip: If you have the free S80 Stuff from PtA with +0 Attributes its not the Healer who is "too slow"... if the dd's get onehit by the boss the healer cant do much.
2) Dont shout for rebirth 19218313 times if the healer already told you that its on cd because you made him use it several times before, because your equipment just sucks
3) If the healer is dead for the 10th time he cant heal...sounds logical, doenst it?
4) If the Iss is on full MP its not the healers job to buff the players, especially not sonatas and harmonys...ffs...get to know the classes
5) the healer will most likely not be rezzed faster/have rebirth cd running out faster/get buffed faster if you PM him on CAPSLOCK.
I admit, there are cases where its totally the healers fault if the group dies. But in this case all those points mentioned above caused the kartia fail.
And its totally annoying to hear the healer "sucks or is too slow" if people get onehitted. The healers doesnt even have time to react...
my profession is Healer and i rly enjoy playing it. Most of the times i do good, 0 death during Kartia or other instances. But from time to time it happens, that someone dies. Either the boss crits, i have slight lag or something else...
But lately i had a kartia group which used to whiped A FEW times. Never had this before.
But guys pls... before you blame the healer for dying/whiping:
1) Get decent equip: If you have the free S80 Stuff from PtA with +0 Attributes its not the Healer who is "too slow"... if the dd's get onehit by the boss the healer cant do much.
2) Dont shout for rebirth 19218313 times if the healer already told you that its on cd because you made him use it several times before, because your equipment just sucks
3) If the healer is dead for the 10th time he cant heal...sounds logical, doenst it?
4) If the Iss is on full MP its not the healers job to buff the players, especially not sonatas and harmonys...ffs...get to know the classes
5) the healer will most likely not be rezzed faster/have rebirth cd running out faster/get buffed faster if you PM him on CAPSLOCK.
I admit, there are cases where its totally the healers fault if the group dies. But in this case all those points mentioned above caused the kartia fail.
And its totally annoying to hear the healer "sucks or is too slow" if people get onehitted. The healers doesnt even have time to react...
I agree with you, it's really annoying that healer is the one to blame. Healer and tank usually :) It's even funnier with tanks. We wait them for hours sometimes and once they come we start telling them that they suck, they don't know how to play, etc, etc. Everyone who says it should reroll to tank and try to please a random party in kartia or soa first :)
I'd also add to the list:
1. always check if you have noblesse buff. If you don't - buff it yourself or at least ask for it
2. always check if you have all buffs on. If you had higher level buffs on you, say when they are about to go off to find a better moment for rebuff.
3. Keep an eye on supports - maybe they have a train of mobs on them. Usually it's hard to heal/rez someone if you are getting hit by several mobs at the moment
4. Isses can help with healing. I see nothing bad in it, and I always try to help when I'm playing my iss.
These things will happen. Usually if your running sound rezzing. Ton of ppl over n over n god forbid you get agro, its the tank's fault. Most ppl don't seem to understand that the tank has to keep agro. Sometimes the DD's are just putting out that much dps but not usually especially if they have cruddy armor. It's best to just forget about it n move on. Heres a tip though; for crappy armored DDS, have the ISS put knights harmony on em. I play a crappily armored nuker n if the tank can't keep agro off me I use knight, makes me 2 shot n gives the healer a chance.
my profession is Healer and i rly enjoy playing it. Most of the times i do good, 0 death during Kartia or other instances. But from time to time it happens, that someone dies. Either the boss crits, i have slight lag or something else...
But lately i had a kartia group which used to whiped A FEW times. Never had this before.
But guys pls... before you blame the healer for dying/whiping:
1) Get decent equip: If you have the free S80 Stuff from PtA with +0 Attributes its not the Healer who is "too slow"... if the dd's get onehit by the boss the healer cant do much.
2) Dont shout for rebirth 19218313 times if the healer already told you that its on cd because you made him use it several times before, because your equipment just sucks
3) If the healer is dead for the 10th time he cant heal...sounds logical, doenst it?
4) If the Iss is on full MP its not the healers job to buff the players, especially not sonatas and harmonys...ffs...get to know the classes
5) the healer will most likely not be rezzed faster/have rebirth cd running out faster/get buffed faster if you PM him on CAPSLOCK.
I admit, there are cases where its totally the healers fault if the group dies. But in this case all those points mentioned above caused the kartia fail.
And its totally annoying to hear the healer "sucks or is too slow" if people get onehitted. The healers doesnt even have time to react...
/useskill party recall, and party chat : 'this party sucks, bai' :cool:
I've never had a party fail since level 86. Tbh healer's can pretty much "solo" Kartia in a sense. Your teammates are spamming skills, but all you need to time right is your balance/progressive and support those heals with sustain or fairy if necessary. If you are doing well chances are your party is doing well.
Imo people will ***** and complain, but I keep a cool head an get through the daily and then leave. Think of it as practice, since the shittier groups you get, the better your healing skills will become (due to you carrying them on your back).
One more advice, try to find a clan with Holy Squad level 2 and Clan Soul level 5. That's a whooping 37% Max MP boost that will let you spam more heals an recharges.
and it's also your job to recharge
i don't get why healers don't recharge DDs and after iss buffs they fully recharge him, while daggers usualy :P are w/o mana
or when there's a healer with full mana and doesn't bother to recharge
especialy in first room or first 6 stages in 3rd room of kartia when there's not much healing to do if you got a good group and daggers and tyrrs get out of mana fast
and dagger w/o mana is worse dd than iss <<
and it's also your job to recharge
i don't get why healers don't recharge DDs and after iss buffs they fully recharge him, while daggers usualy :P are w/o mana
or when there's a healer with full mana and doesn't bother to recharge
especialy in first room or first 6 stages in 3rd room of kartia when there's not much healing to do if you got a good group and daggers and tyrrs get out of mana fast
and dagger w/o mana is worse dd than iss <<
Most daggers need to realize not all dmg needs to come from stabs though. I've had daggers that spam so fast I cant even keep up recharging them, and they are down to 10% mp before half my cooldown on Rebirth is ready. Those daggers are pointless to recharge.
Nukers I will not recharge, I can throw a helping hand if im full, but they need to utilize their Body to Mind. If I dont see you Body to Mind every 15 seconds (or close to it), you are on your own.
The Tyrr warriors that feel they need to run off between waves of mobs only to jump in, I dismiss as idiots.
How can ppl have such a hard time figuring out what skills are worth using in there, and which ones are pointless?
whoever blames healer or tank in my party gets kicked out!!!
whoever cannot wait extra 5-10 minutes for healer or tank to start party gets kicked out!!!
whoever blames me for making bad party gets kicked out!!!
to all of you tyrrs, othels, yuls, wynns go suck a lolipop and shuu it!!!
dont ever steal agro from tank! dont ever let any mobs near healer and dont ever blame anyone for party wipe out!!!
its a GAME get over your 1.00% loss and make a party yourself!!!!
P.S. do not attack mobs before tank uses agro... its his job to get mobs not urs, and expect tank to take them off u!!!!
How can somebody die unless he is a 1 shot in PvE? It is easy to heal even in EG. Healer is the easiest class to play after tank both for PvE and PvP.
Depends on how much you're pulling though. When the tank from my cp dinged 95 he thought he was god and would pull 2 full rooms of orbis 2. Trust me, that was not easy to heal at all.
How can somebody die unless he is a 1 shot in PvE? It is easy to heal even in EG. Healer is the easiest class to play after tank both for PvE and PvP.
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1) Get decent equip: If you have the free S80 Stuff from PtA with +0 Attributes its not the Healer who is "too slow"... if the dd's get onehit by the boss the healer cant do much.[...]
Most daggers need to realize not all dmg needs to come from stabs though. I've had daggers that spam so fast I cant even keep up recharging them, and they are down to 10% mp before half my cooldown on Rebirth is ready. Those daggers are pointless to recharge.
Nukers I will not recharge, I can throw a helping hand if im full, but they need to utilize their Body to Mind. If I dont see you Body to Mind every 15 seconds (or close to it), you are on your own.
The Tyrr warriors that feel they need to run off between waves of mobs only to jump in, I dismiss as idiots.
How can ppl have such a hard time figuring out what skills are worth using in there, and which ones are pointless?
I agree with all of this but the tyrr jump :) it's fun! I see no reason any tyrr should be running out of mana.... Crits from regular hits do the same or more damage than eruption/hurricane storm.
Daggers only have 3 skills that are aoe... first few rooms of kartia are made to aoe...
Common sense should tell you to get buffed with Knights Harmony if you get one shotted by the kartia boss.
There are plenty who insist they are much better than they think and then complain when reality kicks them in the face.
In a more general sense... tanks, healers, and iss's take a bit more to play than other classes. Those are the only 3 that really need to do more than spam assist to be 90% effective.
Tanks need to keep things off the rest of the people and keep an eye out on the party. Healers need to heal, and iss's need to keep buffs up and debuff at a minium, and help heal or CC sometimes as well.
In a very strong party and/or easy area no one has too difficult of a role, because things rarely become very dangerous.
Common sense should tell you to get buffed with Knights Harmony if you get one shotted by the kartia boss.
tell that to the DDs who are crying for warriors....
Also thats the Iss' job :(
Don't invite noobs in free gear... don't invite any level 85s either... Problem solved.
well i wasnt party leader and if you use the partymatching tool you dont see what gear the people have. Most likely you first see it, if you already entered kartia, cuz of the population in aden. :/
In a more general sense... tanks, healers, and iss's take a bit more to play than other classes. Those are the only 3 that really need to do more than spam assist to be 90% effective.
Tanks need to keep things off the rest of the people and keep an eye out on the party. Healers need to heal, and iss's need to keep buffs up and debuff at a minium, and help heal or CC sometimes as well.
In a very strong party and/or easy area no one has too difficult of a role, because things rarely become very dangerous.
1) Get decent equip: If you have the free S80 Stuff from PtA with +0 Attributes its not the Healer who is "too slow"... if the dd's get onehit by the boss the healer cant do much.
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85 > 95 in vorpal set
84 > 95 in vorpal set on dual
blame healers? yes blame healers cus i never died nowhere not in kartia not in xp zones either
wooo big deal i have 3x120 from old times kartia with or without elemental def makes no diff
so its your fault oo and for record i do not want tank harmony on my dd toons never will do such a thing also for pve
fact that most healers are slacking like a boss is no reason to blame dd's or w/e
u have a job which is far "harder" to do then bashing a mob but hey it was your choice to be one not their
blame healers? yes blame healers cus i never died nowhere not in kartia not in xp zones either
makes sense.
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so its your fault oo and for record i do not want tank harmony on my dd toons never will do such a thing also for pve
fact that most healers are slacking like a boss is no reason to blame dd's or w/e [...]
i cant see where its my fault if the dd gets oneshot from boss.
blame what if not the dds armor?
i always do the same thing in kartia and still some healers recharge a bit and i have no problems with mana, spamming skills is pointless if you spam them in the wrong order or at the wrong time, but for sure helps if you 1 hit a mob instead of bashing it there for 10 sec
i also don't get why most of the healers wait till a player is w/o mana to recharge them
can't they see that someone is using bit more mana and should recharge him/her from the start?
or tanks using rage or iron aura before boss...wtf? :D
i played a healer a bit too and i agree for feohs, if they don't use btm i wouldn't recharge them
same goes for dagger, if tank doesn't use challenge aura and healer doesn't try to recharge, i stop using skills and just auto attack
How can somebody die unless he is a 1 shot in PvE? It is easy to heal even in EG. Healer is the easiest class to play after tank both for PvE and PvP.
after I read this, you've made me wonder: why I've meet so many feohs being a fly slap in PVE situations? holy ****, they die before I change target to heal them, not counting the #fail of using arcane shield during pve and ending up with 10 mana.
just fyi, I'm healer in main and feoh in dual, and curiously, I'm the last one to die in pve group while playing my feoh, always been able to scape (hail bsoe!!) and coming back to ress others. well, not hard to press 3-4 buttons forever 'n ever, plus a charge here and there. :cool:
for the mana issue and 'hey, healer, stop healing and recharge me, i'm wanna stab!!!", its not hard to get a MP elixir recipe and work a bit for them. I myself walk around with near 300+ MP elixir for 'rush' situations (you know, its not that hard hit the button and get 540 free mp every 2min).
for harmony issue, anyone care to tell me, why the need of warrior harmony in case of othells, and even lowbies tyrrs? if I see an othell running with warrior harmony, I can deduce he's newbie or dont know to read, neither play his toon at all. For these cases, I'm addicted to 'learn with pain': othell die, I ask to iss change harmony to knight; if he refuse, its ok, I wont ress next time. If he can sweep a 2box to ress him outside the instance and come back everytime, np for me.
why would a good geared othell need knight in all cases???
only 1 hit for me at 97 lvl with 120 seraph armor is in fortuna if i have p.def debuff and hornafi crits, but that's 1/10 fortunas and i don't mind that, i still use warrior since fortuna is an easy instance and can be done blindfolded
only other case when i use knight is at epic pod after i use my evasive skills and i see healer has problems keeping me alive even with those 2 skill and octavis at 2nd stage
before when warrior reduced p.def aswell i used mainly knight ye, but now i don't see any use of it except in those cases
unless if it's a lowbie with bad gear
as for those elixirs...1 is good for like 5 or 6 stabs and 2 stabs can reset reuse, so go figure :rolleyes:
and nother reason to use stab is to keep the target, if you target a mob and press attack it too fast, the target will change to old mob, but if you target a mob you can use stab immideately and keep it on the same target
p.s.
not applying to anyone here, but i see more and more noobs ing
just now was in kartia group and some braindead guy says "feoh overhit"...no feoh in pt, i was on yull dual i say i will "only feoh can overhit" he says
and he was othell which has 7 skills to overhit with not to mention that every class can overhit if i'm not mistaken, not sure about wynns :D, and being othell or yull can hit much harder on boss with cc than feoh
Clearly it's the healer's fault for not anticipating the 30k crit on an S80 equipped DD. Didn't cast celestial before it happened. /flame healer.
Actually when you get into party, where someone dies like a fly, at the end of the instance you actually learn how to predict next death and manage almost every time to cast celestial on him. Unless there are two people who die like flies :D
85 > 95 in vorpal set
84 > 95 in vorpal set on dual
blame healers? yes blame healers cus i never died nowhere not in kartia not in xp zones either
wooo big deal i have 3x120 from old times kartia with or without elemental def makes no diff
so its your fault oo and for record i do not want tank harmony on my dd toons never will do such a thing also for pve
fact that most healers are slacking like a boss is no reason to blame dd's or w/e
u have a job which is far "harder" to do then bashing a mob but hey it was your choice to be one not their
Please subclass a healer. Unless you are a slacker ofc.
Or did you already go Main DD and Sub DD? Way to support your clan :D
Please supply me with your ingame name incase you play on Chronos, I dont really feel like healing you in any random group I would be in. At all.
for the mana issue and 'hey, healer, stop healing and recharge me, i'm wanna stab!!!", its not hard to get a MP elixir recipe and work a bit for them. I myself walk around with near 300+ MP elixir for 'rush' situations (you know, its not that hard hit the button and get 540 free mp every 2min).
for harmony issue, anyone care to tell me, why the need of warrior harmony in case of othells, and even lowbies tyrrs? if I see an othell running with warrior harmony, I can deduce he's newbie or dont know to read, neither play his toon at all. For these cases, I'm addicted to 'learn with pain': othell die, I ask to iss change harmony to knight; if he refuse, its ok, I wont ress next time. If he can sweep a 2box to ress him outside the instance and come back everytime, np for me.
LOL.... a good geared tyrr and good geared othel should never or very rarely need knight's harmony in pve.... Even on othel if you spam skills you will still lose some dps with knight's harmony. I get a good laugh when I see a 97+ othel ask for knight's harmony for regular spez/tuna/eg/kartia LOL
well, any othell has max evasion (superior than any other class ingame) and capped atkspeed with full buffs, but then you say you cant live and play properly without warrior harmony? lets see:
knights: pattack 12%, 45% pdef, 35% physical crit dmg and 100% physical crit rate, against
warrior: 35% p attack, pdef 8%, 35% physical crit dmg and 100% physical crit rate, 8% atkspeed/casting speed, 16% matck and 4 evasion.
then doing the mats, you just lose in fact the 23% patck, and this doesnt matter so much, since all your skills have f c kloads of dmg points and daggers has the lowest patck stats among weaps. I think othell would rely more on crit stabs than hitting with melee, nope? If you even consider talkin about losing the matck/atkspeed/castingspeed/evasion bonus, this matters finish here. no way to go on with this.
I dont care to spam heal to maintain any party member alive, but you cant do almost nothing when you save any othell's as s from death and the same one is knockin the hell gate again before your skills are even refreshed. Celestial has a linger debuff, then we cant spam it too much.
while doing GF quest, i.e, the othell in party makes a total difference to our killspeed, but mainly 'cause he is the one doing halfkills there, and ubber criticals (gosh, sometimes I cant even debuff lumi on mob before he kill it), and in this case I have no problem throwing infinites recharges to keep him up with enough mana.
but if you tell me that you need that harmony to death, meh, who I'm to refuse this? you clearly know what you are doing and what is the best to you :)