If you go to the 5:50 mark and watch for a few seconds you'll see the sauce team healer with noble buff on, but after the healer dies it has no buffs.
That seems like a bug to me and I believe it should be looked into.
Some are saying the healer got canceled right before dying, but I looked and looked, played it over and over, and I still don't see it happening. Also the mathematical probability of such occurring @ that moment and of all the buffs to go it'd be noble buff are so incredibly low it's almost unbelievable in itself. I mean I am staring at the noble buff and it looks to disappear at the exact moment the healer dies, same goes for all the other buffs, not anytime before...
Now this team is my enemy on my server (magmeld) and I'm still going ahead and making this thread, because if this were to happen to my clan's CP, or me, I'm not quite exactly sure how I would feel... probably pretty ****** tbh or incredibly angry, who knows..
In all fairness I hope the match gets remade and DiegoVargas, who I've heard a lot about from way back on l2blah in all the posts he made about skills and subclasses etc, and all the other stuff he has done since then like first tauti weapon, best clan on Chronos I think, etc, gets to show us he doesn't need what seems to be a clearly bugged out match. Also, I'd like a legit, no excuses/bugged match where team sauce gets rolled by the much talked about godly chronos players.
Also, if the match does get remade.. My apologies to team xa0.. but if it happened to you I'd be making this same thread, since I watched the live video of it.
I hope they do something about it.
It was a good match for sure, the nova group is not joke by any means, but the match was going our way heavily up until that point when our healer got up and had no buffs.
All their cool downs were pretty much gone and we had all ours left besides ISS CS.
They were almost out of MP again after their rebirth and we still had ours.
Pretty sad it went that way, but what can you do...
Hopefully they will look at it and give us a chance to a fair match.
I am sure Nova wouldn't have any objections to a rematch.
They are very good, but so are we.
Yes Juji tried to say Divine Cancel but you dont see the iss cast or even a purple sword hit her in the head thats what DC looks like ... and she doesnt have marks on her that would take a buff away but she has Blessing of Noblesse that would keep her buffs from going away .. sorry if i sound dumb but this clear cut case ... they should give them a Rematch :eek: please look into this NC Team ...
Blessing of Noblesse : Maintains target's buff/de-buff condition even following death and resurrection.
i may ask a noob question but...does the salvation can mastery to "no-delay"? i mean , vargas team healer has salvation , woke up after death , re-used it on himself and than died again...it can mastery to "no-delay" or the healer casted it 1 hour before the match so it had all the time for re-use? mhh...
Look at what two buffs are right next to each other, Noble and Daring. The force toggles register in order from the stream point of view but dont count in the actual position (forces are on a different bar). I submit that if the buff was not cancelled by a skill, that the healer attempted to click off daring because he was being focus fired and MISCLICKED and got noble. Not having the buff with the subsequent spike that killed him ultimately lost you the fight as the healer no longer had buffs.
I would like to think possibility #1 would save more face, but in light of the evidence #2 is equally as possible and makes your healer the author of your parties misfortune.
Don't try and pawn either off as some non-existant bug in noblesse blessing that has never affected anyone in the history of L2.
Look at what two buffs are right next to each other, Noble and Daring. The force toggles register in order from the stream point of view but dont count in the actual position (forces are on a different bar). I submit that if the buff was not cancelled by a skill, that the healer attempted to click off daring because he was being focus fired and MISCLICKED and got noble. Not having the buff with the subsequent spike that killed him ultimately lost you the fight as the healer no longer had buffs.
I would like to think possibility #1 would save more face, but in light of the evidence #2 is equally as possible and makes your healer the author of your parties misfortune.
Don't try and pawn either off as some non-existant bug in noblesse blessing that has never affected anyone in the history of L2.
well actually , if i'm not wrong , i remember it was bugged time ago , and you was able to lost the buffs even with that buff casted (againts mobs , so no cancel/miss click) if i found the source i'll post it , but , whatever , i saw the match , and gf anyway ;p
maybe is this : "The issue of a character is killed while the Blessing of Noblesse effect is applied and the received buff skill sometimes being reset has been corrected." fixxed in glory days update :)
Well Juji said that they will check logs after each match, so they can find what caused this (bug, missclick, buff steal, PVP program, etc...)
The answer is there, you need to find it.
if you look from 5:something to 5:55 you can see the iss casted noble buff and daring sonata in that time frame and at 5:54 the noble and daring are close to each other. we see 1 force in between but players see forces on other bar. its easy to misclick when you are being focus targeted and pay attention to more things. id say blame the iss too for obvious reasons.
ok.. apparently everyone is an idiot, the iss did not cast noble first off, if you watch the video from 5:40 you can see the healer stand up and noble itself, not the iss, also, the healer did not click off any buffs, you would have seen it, not to mention that the chances of holding alt and clicking off a buff at the exact millisecond you die.. no not happening, you would have seen the buff come off, sorry keep grasping, these guys deserve a rematch.
well actually , if i'm not wrong , i remember it was bugged time ago , and you was able to lost the buffs even with that buff casted (againts mobs , so no cancel/miss click) if i found the source i'll post it , but , whatever , i saw the match , and gf anyway ;p
maybe is this : "The issue of a character is killed while the Blessing of Noblesse effect is applied and the received buff skill sometimes being reset has been corrected." fixxed in glory days update :)
I have somewhat recently died with noble and lost buffs... I think it's possible there was a bug, but it is also possible something else caused the healer to lose noble as well.
I hope they do something about it.
It was a good match for sure, the nova group is not joke by any means, but the match was going our way heavily up until that point when our healer got up and had no buffs.
All their cool downs were pretty much gone and we had all ours left besides ISS CS.
They were almost out of MP again after their rebirth and we still had ours.
Pretty sad it went that way, but what can you do...
Hopefully they will look at it and give us a chance to a fair match.
I am sure Nova wouldn't have any objections to a rematch.
They are very good, but so are we.
If you were "up heavily" in the fight and actually had cool downs left you would have been able to recover... All your tank skills were down the only thing you had up was rhapsody which is countered by their enchanter cs. There is also a bug observing buffs/debuffs where they will stop updating, this is likely what happened
1) The obvious, the noble was cancelled at the same moment fatal damage was dealt via the summoner cubic or enchanter.
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why do you even talk all buffs go off at the same time anyone can see that even a donkey and your iss never cast Divine Cancel you would have seen the spell if the iss did ... you dont want a rematch thats easy to see .. but why not if you are soooo good have a rematch show the world how good you are ... NC Soft Rematch please her bar got glitched thank you..:eek:
ok.. apparently everyone is an idiot, the iss did not cast noble first off, if you watch the video from 5:40 you can see the healer stand up and noble itself, not the iss, also, the healer did not click off any buffs, you would have seen it, not to mention that the chances of holding alt and clicking off a buff at the exact millisecond you die.. no not happening, you would have seen the buff come off, sorry keep grasping, these guys deserve a rematch.
on another note:
i just wanna say for all the clowns saying she clicked off her buff ... it would have gone off before she dies not all at the same time like it does clearly in the NC Soft match 3 video frame by frame ... just Rematch the fight ... Nova wont have a problem winning again Since they are so good.
If you were "up heavily" in the fight and actually had cool downs left you would have been able to recover... All your tank skills were down the only thing you had up was rhapsody which is countered by their enchanter cs. There is also a bug observing buffs/debuffs where they will stop updating, this is likely what happened
which match were you watching? we still had party UD, BR, rebirth, what did you have? you were through your MP after your *panic* rebirth, diego was 2-3 maybe 4 skills away from being out of MP, your healer had 1 more chance getting up, once your healer would go down, your iss would die in 3 seconds and then it would be over.
People that were on your vent told us you were in panic mode saying you were in trouble.
If that happened to you we would ask for a rematch, but after seeing how the match went you don't want anything to do with us anymore.
its ok,. its understandable.
People saw what went down, good luck in the rest of the tournament.
ok.. apparently everyone is an idiot, the iss did not cast noble first off, if you watch the video from 5:40 you can see the healer stand up and noble itself, not the iss, also, the healer did not click off any buffs, you would have seen it, not to mention that the chances of holding alt and clicking off a buff at the exact millisecond you die.. no not happening, you would have seen the buff come off, sorry keep grasping, these guys deserve a rematch.
post fraps from healer pov and we would believe it. you can see how delayed are hp bars and buff bars from this gm pov
from the same reason is hard to prove anyone used divine cancel or cubic cancel but seeing noble next to daring is easy to assume he actually did that mistake. if the noob iss didnt cast daring would have been another story
Look at what two buffs are right next to each other, Noble and Daring. The force toggles register in order from the stream point of view but dont count in the actual position (forces are on a different bar). I submit that if the buff was not cancelled by a skill, that the healer attempted to click off daring because he was being focus fired and MISCLICKED and got noble. Not having the buff with the subsequent spike that killed him ultimately lost you the fight as the healer no longer had buffs.
I would like to think possibility #1 would save more face, but in light of the evidence #2 is equally as possible and makes your healer the author of your parties misfortune.
Don't try and pawn either off as some non-existant bug in noblesse blessing that has never affected anyone in the history of L2.
erm seems you have different type of replay from there O,o
on my replay stepy by step that healer never removed daring sonata + after death lost all buffs with noblese on : ) w00t ? 5:53 noblese/daring are up!!! next 5:54, same , 5:55 healer dies loosing all buffs , black magic
post fraps from healer pov and we would believe it. you can see how delayed are hp bars and buff bars from this gm pov
from the same reason is hard to prove anyone used divine cancel or cubic cancel but seeing noble next to daring is easy to assume he actually did that mistake. if the noob iss didnt cast daring would have been another story
my healer was killed 2 times (1 time ress by salvation/1 time with feather) and he could keep all buff when stand up. The problem is some ppl think that feather maintain buff like noblesse...and all members allways care if harmony or noblesse are canceled...iss +feoh cancel = keep your eyes on your buff bar ;)
I expected classier responses from Diego and Martel, instead all I see are excuses, silly theories, and unnecessary attempts to belittle an already crippled unit.
You guys should've taken the highroad and just agreed. Video evidence is rather sufficient, especially if it is from the source.
I'm all for listening to rational explanations on how this could've occurred, Diego, but this isn't a scenario where those explanations are welcome.
Have some self-respect and admit to what you and everyone else is seeing in the video. I highly doubt there will be a rematch anyways, but at least be honest and fair about the bug.
Lastly, feel happy it didn't happen to you, because I bet if tables were turned this forum would've been turned into a *****torm.
I expected classier responses from Diego and Martel, instead all I see are excuses, silly theories, and unnecessary attempts to belittle an already crippled unit.
You guys should've taken the highroad and just agreed. Video evidence is rather sufficient, especially if it is from the source.
I'm all for listening to rational explanations on how this could've occurred, Diego, but this isn't a scenario where those explanations are welcome.
Have some self-respect and admit to what you and everyone else is seeing in the video. I highly doubt there will be a rematch anyways, but at least be honest and fair about the bug.
Lastly, feel happy it didn't happen to you, because I bet if tables were turned this forum would've been turned into a *****torm.
Martel is trolling sector, because trolling is what martel does.
That being said, if you think the video evidence presented as-is is sufficient then there really isnt much more to discuss here.
I and many other people who have ever competitively spotted an oly match for a clan mate can tell you that the relay view doesnt catch everything. It is at best an approximation of what happened and often fast effects are not relayed. If this is news to you then sorry if this sounds blunt but it is how it is.
my healer was killed 2 times (1 time ress by salvation/1 time with feather) and he could keep all buff when stand up. The problem is some ppl think that feather maintain buff like noblesse...and all members allways care if harmony or noblesse are canceled...iss +feoh cancel = keep your eyes on your buff bar ;)
i've seen that mistake like 3 times yesterday. its also the fact some healers are used to get noble from a secondary healer... or elsewhere. for some teams its hard to adapt to 1 active healer play style.
If there was a bug with noble not working properly the teams would have to rematch, no question about it. I personally never heard of noble buff not working properly. My guess is it got canceled by divine cancel or summoner cubic, which is likely seeing it was one of the last buffs. Only the GMs are able to verify this through the damage logs. The stream is just an estimation to help people spectate, fraps would help you prove your case. Rather unfortunate, it was looking like an interesting match until team Sauce healer lost all buffs.
Martel is trolling sector, because trolling is what martel does.
That being said, if you think the video evidence presented as-is is sufficient then there really isnt much more to discuss here.
I and many other people who have ever competitively spotted an oly match for a clan mate can tell you that the relay view doesnt catch everything. It is at best an approximation of what happened and often fast effects are not relayed. If this is news to you then sorry if this sounds blunt but it is how it is.
Whenever I watched LoL, Dota2, HoN, Dota, and SC2 tournies there was never any problem with the streams, or the uploaded videos afterwards. There was never any question about who won after you finished watching the uploaded video. What you saw is what happened. If people watch your match, they'll just think you won an unfair fight, and that alone warrants a rematch.
Whenever I watched LoL, Dota2, HoN, Dota, and SC2 tournies there was never any problem with the streams, or the uploaded videos afterwards. There was never any question about who won after you finished watching the uploaded video. What you saw is what happened. If people watch your match, they'll just think you won an unfair fight, and that alone warrants a rematch.
Thats ok, really the only people who's opinion I would personally care about are those that are actively/competitively involved in things like oly. Those people know exactly what I am talking about with regards to relay view lag.
L2 is none of the games you just listed, we do the best we can given what is available. What is important is the GM's have a complete account for what happened.
Thats ok, really the only people who's opinion I would personally care about are those that are actively/competitively involved in things like oly. Those people know exactly what I am talking about with regards to relay view lag.
L2 is none of the games you just listed, we do the best we can given what is available. What is important is the GM's have a complete account for what happened.
It very easily could be up in the top tiers if managed properly. L2 is a very competitive game, and if it is properly nurtured it will undoubtedly shine. A good start to that would be to make sure everything goes soundly on social media websites such as twitch.
As far as we can see, there is a clear as day bug in the replay of this match. Stating the replay is lagged, or the noble buff was removed at the exact moment of death by a cancel skill, doesn't help change the fact that the replay doesn't show either of these things.
If all the viewers and all the people who watch this video see what everyone else sees, that'd be the healer losing noble and buffs at the exact time of death, then that is cause for concern and reason enough to make a rematch.
My time and money is invested into this game, so I want to see things done right to ensure this game's longevity. These Battle Tournaments are relatively new and don't happen often, and that is all the more reason to make sure they're done professionally.
Besides, the best team of 7 should receive 1st place, not the luckiest team of 7, and atm all I see from your party, Diego, is being lucky. Right side right time. Lucky side of the coin flip. Etc. If this happened to you when your healer died, then the match would've been over for you.
How would you respond to this situation if it was your team in sauce team's position?
My group has been pvping with 1 healer for 2 months in preparation for this tournament, my healer did not click off her noble, you didn't cancel her with a cubic the second she died, the iss didn't cast anything on the healer before she died, the game bugged out.
I just looked at my fraps, ishmala was attacking diawa, and the iss was running away (as he/she did the entire match) off my screen and I saw no animation on my healer before she died. The game bugged out, stop trying to say otherwise.
You have the debuff panel open, not the buff panel. This clearly demonstrates that you cannot confirm anything related to the buff panel of the healer.
What your POV does is allege, is that scenario #2 mentioned in my earlier post (which is the more embarrassing option) is more likely to have occurred. In that your healer DID click off their noble by accident when trying to go for Daring and it cost you the match.
Nothing you have presented indicates that a bug exists. In fact the only mention of any issue with Noblesee Blessing was in the glory days patch notes that when you died sometimes the buff was re-applied. This was fixed when GD went live.
So, all we have to go on is your word that your healer didnt **** up and cost you the match. You can imagine how this starts to sound pretty incredible very very quickly.
You have the debuff panel open, not the buff panel. This clearly demonstrates that you cannot confirm anything related to the buff panel of the healer.
What your POV does is allege, is that scenario #2 mentioned in my earlier post (which is the more embarrassing option) is more likely to have occurred. In that your healer DID click off their noble by accident when trying to go for Daring and it cost you the match.
Nothing you have presented indicates that a bug exists. In fact the only mention of any issue with Noblesee Blessing was in the glory days patch notes that when you died sometimes the buff was re-applied. This was fixed when GD went live.
So, all we have to go on is your word that your healer didnt **** up and cost you the match. You can imagine how this starts to sound pretty incredible very very quickly.
I wish the gm's would step in and release logs of it, if they show my healers noble was canceled or she clicked it off, I will admit defeat, until then... I lost to a bug.
My group has been pvping with 1 healer for 2 months in preparation for this tournament, my healer did not click off her noble, you didn't cancel her with a cubic the second she died, the iss didn't cast anything on the healer before she died, the game bugged out.
I just looked at my fraps, ishmala was attacking diawa, and the iss was running away (as he/she did the entire match) off my screen and I saw no animation on my healer before she died. The game bugged out, stop trying to say otherwise.
I can see in your slowmo that cubic from ishmila disappears from 0.03 sec and appears again at 0.06 sec back at him so it did cancel someone right when your healer died.
I'm not exactly sure how fast the summoner cubic cancels but maybe you were just that unlucky?
I can see in your slowmo that cubic from ishmila disappears from 0.03 sec and appears again at 0.06 sec back at him so it did cancel someone right when your healer died.
I'm not exactly sure how fast the summoner cubic cancels but maybe you were just that unlucky?
The chance of cancel happening without mark of weakness is literally 0, but I am almost positive it goes to your target.
1) at 5:51 of the match i nuked the healer and any one that has played a summoner knows that the cubic always takes a few seconds to proc, move over and then cancel the target.
2) of course the healer clicking off noble is very possibly if it was not the cubic because he was getting smashed and he had daring up is also a high possibility.
Now as u can see the healer was moving around because he was trying to avoid damage, and he saw that he had daring up, he STOPPED moving, and clicked it off and in that time he was not stunned, or impared in movement at all. and got hulk smashed as he did this and miss clicked the wrong skill off ( noble) in his haste of trying to get clear.
Now you are all basing the buffs and skills etc off of a VIDEO of the whole fight, we ALL know that skills are bugged and glitchy when u have someone targetd a long time. So basing this arguement on the account of a view of a 3rd person and not a fraps of the party is quite a long shot ....
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The chance of cancel happening without mark of weakness is literally 0, but I am almost positive it goes to your target.
i did a test, i buffed up , did a dual, all i did was NUKES and no marks, my cubic proced root almost at first nuke. then about 15 seconds later it did cancel. It didnt cancel the last buff either, it canceled a random buff in the buff bar. also , it was not immidatly after i did the nuke, it was delayed. so no i didnt have to mark the healer for the cubic to go off. you have no idea what your trying to say because you dont play a summoner ... ALSO when i had the person taregted i didnt see the buffs canceled off till i switched screens and looked at that characters buffs. and the were missing 4 buffs after 1 min of nukes. So i did a retarget on the character i was nuking and the buffs were fixed. Now if i have that simple glitch of buffs when im in game and doing the nukes that means a view from an obvervation MUST have errors of what buffs/ debuffs the healers really have vs actual game play buffs / debuffs.
Simple fact, NO ONE said anything till they watched the replay and then cried about what they saw. I guarentee that the healer knew he didnt have noble before dieing and your all trying to excuse the lack of responsibility to renoble himself based off a inaccurate video .
Watch the steam few seconds before 5.50 ishmila is nuking your healer couple times before he switches to archer and knowing that cubic has a delay when it fires it seems possible.
After reviewing the logs for the matches, we saw that the healer Bettybangzer on Team Sauce did indeed lose their Noblesse Blessing buff along with all their ISS enchanter buffs when they died. There were no skills from Team xa0 that canceled out the noblesse buff and the skill was not removed from the player. Due to this issue, we will be holding a rematch only for this match. Both teams will be contacted through email to schedule the rematch.
After reviewing the logs for the matches, we saw that the healer Bettybangzer on Team Sauce did indeed lose their Noblesse Blessing buff along with all their ISS enchanter buffs when they died. There were no skills from Team xa0 that canceled out the noblesse buff and the skill was not removed from the player. Due to this issue, we will be holding a rematch only for this match. Both teams will be contacted through email to schedule the rematch.
Thank you for your understanding!
You are going to investigate EVERY match now that has a death where a character lost buffs right?
and this is why there is always crying on official forums, it works.
So let me get this straight, what you are saying is that NCSoft looked at their logs/fraps and realized that there was a glitch in the game that overturned the outcome of the match and you are telling us we are crying?
Really man?
Why would you want any team to win this thing without deserving it?
If we were in nova's shoes we would ask for a rematch, you guys are full of excuses, first was ISS cancel, then we went to the broken cubic that never lands in a million years, now we are crying...
I suggest start practicing and stop crying like little girls.
still like l2, dont like arch enemy no more, just this video.
gz izee!!!!!
that dude/healer died with nobless but without the status msg screen we cant know for sure what happend.
Hello Everyone,
After reviewing the logs for the matches, we saw that the healer Bettybangzer on Team Sauce did indeed lose their Noblesse Blessing buff along with all their ISS enchanter buffs when they died. There were no skills from Team xa0 that canceled out the noblesse buff and the skill was not removed from the player. Due to this issue, we will be holding a rematch only for this match. Both teams will be contacted through email to schedule the rematch.
So let me get this straight, what you are saying is that NCSoft looked at their logs/fraps and realized that there was a glitch in the game that overturned the outcome of the match and you are telling us we are crying?
Really man?
Why would you want any team to win this thing without deserving it?
If we were in nova's shoes we would ask for a rematch, you guys are full of excuses, first was ISS cancel, then we went to the broken cubic that never lands in a million years, now we are crying...
I suggest start practicing and stop crying like little girls.
You say that but you are full of **** the first thing you guys did after losing the first time was cry their group was using ranger.
After reviewing the logs for the matches, we saw that the healer Bettybangzer on Team Sauce did indeed lose their Noblesse Blessing buff along with all their ISS enchanter buffs when they died. There were no skills from Team xa0 that canceled out the noblesse buff and the skill was not removed from the player. Due to this issue, we will be holding a rematch only for this match. Both teams will be contacted through email to schedule the rematch.
Thank you for your understanding!
happy aprils fools :D
You say that but you are full of **** the first thing you guys did after losing the first time was cry their group was using ranger.
remember when they said, "u guys were assisting so fast..." how can u know that we were assisting fast without programs?, i would like to ncsoft to review the logs of team sauce to see if they were using 3rd party progs, which i think they were using.
if xaO "thinks" they are top, then they shouldnt have a problem with the rematch....why all the crying unless they know they will loose to sauce?:rolleyes:
You say that but you are full of **** the first thing you guys did after losing the first time was cry their group was using ranger.
if you are superior to us why are you crying? If your team beat us fair and square the first time easily as you put it why are you complaining?
Do it again..
NCSoft looked at the logs I am sure and they said how it is,
you are the one that is crying..
Are you even in that group? da bbbbbbzzzzz already
remember when they said, "u guys were assisting so fast..." how can u know that we were assisting fast without programs?, i would like to ncsoft to review the logs of team sauce to see if they were using 3rd party progs, which i think they were using.
remember when they said, "u guys were assisting so fast..." how can u know that we were assisting fast without programs?, i would like to ncsoft to review the logs of team sauce to see if they were using 3rd party progs, which i think they were using.
Look how sad you are about us having to do a rematch, you know you guys were going to lose and you tried to play it out as if you were not going to lose. Check all the logs, my group is 100% legit.
Look how sad you are about us having to do a rematch, you know you guys were going to lose and you tried to play it out as if you were not going to lose. Check all the logs, my group is 100% legit.
i am 100% for killing you again, i just dont agree that we will rematch because of your tears. it just means NC gives in to cry babies. but lets do it. maybe u will get lucky
also i was agreeing with the guy, as SOON as match was over, u cried about assisting, kinda suspicious if u ask me. but hey man, if u have to cheat to win cool for you .
Juji i hope u know now every group will want you to review their match now beacuse of this giving in :)
i am 100% for killing you again, i just dont agree that we will rematch because of your tears. it just means NC gives in to cry babies. but lets do it. maybe u will get lucky
also i was agreeing with the guy, as SOON as match was over, u cried about assisting, kinda suspicious if u ask me. but hey man, if u have to cheat to win cool for you .
Juji i hope u know now every group will want you to review their match now beacuse of this giving in
Keep making excuses on why you don't want a rematch, everyone else lost because they weren't going to win. My group was destroying your group, until that bug happened. ****.
Look how sad you are about us having to do a rematch, you know you guys were going to lose and you tried to play it out as if you were not going to lose. Check all the logs, my group is 100% legit.
SO LEGIT
there is a slight chance ur healer is lying and misclicked noble when trying to click off daring sonata while panicking to keep himself up.
Fortunately for you, the class 'forces' appear between the noble buff and sonatas but if you test it, the forces have their own separate bar away from regular buffs :]
would u like us to post your IP address from L2blah to confirm ? your sounding pretty stupid right now saying that its an impersonating
Would you like me to pull my **** out of your ***? You're sounding a little salty regarding the fact that you have to rematch a team you know is going to beat you.
im all up for the rematch, i just enjoy calling it as i see it.
please do the rematch so these people can stop crying
no one cried, we stated facts, you guys crying like little girls.
I can smell your fear, its so funny, so scared..
What did you think you were gonna walk all over us?
Do you even know who we are? do you think we just picked up the game a couple months ago?
3 of my Members including me are old TD members, brings bad memories back?
We had you Nova boys in the negative clan rep points for what a month?
Don't try to act all bad *** and superior to us.
And this is for the GMs, Please check game logs after the rematch for any weird activities, aka skate boarding across the arena to interrupt skills like my good old friend Martel does in all his pvp videos.
because I am 100% positive the nova boys will come scripted.
no one cried, we stated facts, you guys crying like little girls.
I can smell your fear, its so funny, so scared..
What did you think you were gonna walk all over us?
Do you even know who we are? do you think we just picked up the game a couple months ago?
3 of my Members including me are old TD members, brings bad memories back?
We had you Nova boys in the negative clan rep points for what a month?
Don't try to act all bad *** and superior to us.
And this is for the GMs, Please check game logs after the rematch for any weird activities, aka skate boarding across the arena to interrupt skills like my good old friend Martel does in all his pvp videos.
because I am 100% positive the nova boys will come scripted.
that was a good laugh,try reading my post again where i said please do the rematch
you guys posted a possibility of a bug,
we posted a possibility that it isnt a bug
Its good that GMs are actively checking, every team that had a bug during a match got a rematch. No reason to QQ about it, if logs say it was a bug then it was a bug. Cya on the rematch.
that was a good laugh,try reading my post again where i said please do the rematch
you guys posted a possibility of a bug,
we posted a possibility that it isnt a bug
the end, do the rematch
I get it now, you are the new guy, you were prolly running in toi in theca back then.
Ask some of the old school guys, I am sure they remember the good old days.
And no, you didnt say yes, lets do it again, in fact you came up with the lamest excuses you could possibly think of to try to get out of it.
1st was the iss canceled it, then was the cubic, then it was the healer removing it.. well which one was it? NONE of it.
It was NCSoft that checked and non of that happened and offered rematch, all you did was try to justify your free pass because you were scared.
Like I said, you thought this was gonna be a walk in the park but a min in the fight you were screaming on vent like a girl ***** we are in trouble!!!!*
The only teams that are good in this competition besides us are Genocide's group and Arrivederci's from naia, (in my opinion)
I was in original Genocide on magmeld, and with Arrivederci in old TD
And its safe to say that hey are far more superior than you.
no one cried, we stated facts, you guys crying like little girls.
I can smell your fear, its so funny, so scared..
What did you think you were gonna walk all over us?
Do you even know who we are? do you think we just picked up the game a couple months ago?
3 of my Members including me are old TD members, brings bad memories back?
We had you Nova boys in the negative clan rep points for what a month?
Don't try to act all bad *** and superior to us.
And this is for the GMs, Please check game logs after the rematch for any weird activities, aka skate boarding across the arena to interrupt skills like my good old friend Martel does in all his pvp videos.
because I am 100% positive the nova boys will come scripted.
funny coz i remember killing some old TD myself when in war on the old bartz. if randoms like me could do it... idk. sure they had their good players but you could have counted them on fingers and most of the quit or are in different clans.
its also funny how most ppl complaining about cheaters proved to be or admitted to be cheaters themselves. you dont see that many complains from legit players as from cheaters nowadays.
i look forward to see this match, gl to both teams, it will be an interesting match once again and personally i place my bet on xa0 team. make sure this time you say you dominated the match after you actually killed all the ppl in the other team.
one more thing, pretty sure you only had to file a complain or pm juji instead of making these threads on all boards
I get it now, you are the new guy, you were prolly running in toi in theca back then.
Ask some of the old school guys, I am sure they remember the good old days.
And no, you didnt say yes, lets do it again, in fact you came up with the lamest excuses you could possibly think of to try to get out of it.
1st was the iss canceled it, then was the cubic, then it was the healer removing it.. well which one was it? NONE of it.
It was NCSoft that checked and non of that happened and offered rematch, all you did was try to justify your free pass because you were scared.
Like I said, you thought this was gonna be a walk in the park but a min in the fight you were screaming on vent like a girl ***** we are in trouble!!!!*
The only teams that are good in this competition besides us are Genocide's group and Arrivederci's from naia, (in my opinion)
I was in original Genocide on magmeld, and with Arrivederci in old TD
And its safe to say that hey are far more superior than you.
Cya On Saturday
Hey smart ***, im not even in your rematch. LOL
like i said, you called a possible 'bug' to to possibly cover your crap. you have some serious issues if you think people actually react the way you do.
I dont know you and you dont know me so lets not say whos better than who ;)
Who cares if you were in original Genocide? the Genocide i know came to Chronos and got ran right back off to Magmeld lol
It isnt impossible the healer clicked it off while trying to get daring sonata since it was taking damage, if its not in the logs then its fine do the rematch, relax dude its only a game :> I play a healer and I understand **** happens thats all, i wont try to make a ton of excuses.
It isnt impossible the healer clicked it off while trying to get daring sonata since it was taking damage, if its not in the logs then its fine do the rematch, relax dude its only a game :> I play a healer and I understand **** happens thats all, i wont try to make a ton of excuses.
If it was you (nova) on my side of the fence, being beaten by a bug in the match you guys would have every single member in your clan crying on the forums begging for a rematch with diego coming up with calculations on when skills could have gone off but didn't so there was a bug etc etc whatever, I didn't even start this thread, someone who watched the match saw the bug and posted it.
I get it now, you are the new guy, you were prolly running in toi in theca back then.
Ask some of the old school guys, I am sure they remember the good old days.
And no, you didnt say yes, lets do it again, in fact you came up with the lamest excuses you could possibly think of to try to get out of it.
1st was the iss canceled it, then was the cubic, then it was the healer removing it.. well which one was it? NONE of it.
It was NCSoft that checked and non of that happened and offered rematch, all you did was try to justify your free pass because you were scared.
Like I said, you thought this was gonna be a walk in the park but a min in the fight you were screaming on vent like a girl ***** we are in trouble!!!!*
The only teams that are good in this competition besides us are Genocide's group and Arrivederci's from naia, (in my opinion)
I was in original Genocide on magmeld, and with Arrivederci in old TD
And its safe to say that hey are far more superior than you.
Cya On Saturday
Considering Martelx/Hitch/Evey party won Phoenix (most competitive NA server), won Chronos after mergers vs everyone including Arrivederci even making her transfer to Naia to get away from us, won Naia including Arrivederci again, and won Chronos again while making Genocide cry and transfer off the server to an easier server where still the best castle they can take is Schuggart...your arguments are invalid. I made Genocide drop wars against DV single handed on Magmeld. That clan is a dumpster outside of piderman and brei...and even with both of those in clan it doesn't have a quarter of the organization Renovatio does. :(
On Topic: Excuses are lame, if it was a glitch there should be a rematch obviously. At least that's what I believe, I would have handled it with GMs directly instead of crying on official boards allowing people to poke fun at you :p
its funny all the posts "from the illegal site" that the nova guys post here to throw stones, was talking mad trash before JIUI's decision for a rematch WHICH THERE SHOULD BE even your almighty martelx says so. Wonder who and WHY the other parties were removed from tournament. and i think the GM/tournament officers should scan ALL vid/info from all matches if they find something then those toons main accounts SHOULD BE BANNED bet nova shuts up then even the mighty diego and others wont hide but NC will not bann bedfellows funny how they are fast to gratz martel for 99 first and diego on his 1st ever nc west rare weapon but if checked that players accounts or log in info at that prox bet he wouldnt even have weapons or toon . but they wont. but couple of things 1.big gratz on the advised of a rematch
2.i have NEVER seen NC side with anyone let alone grant a NEVER HEARD OF rematch cause of the QQ in forums its probably because its under the battle tournament discussion they cant bail out the nova team this time.
3.NOVA tears taste delicious especially the poser ishmila's they taste like hellokitty raspberry.