I have always had some thoughts on what drives the in game prices for gear and supplies in game...
would like to hear opinions on how game economy works. Is it related to ncoin, events, rmt, growing popularity of game(more new players), all of the above, none, something else?
supply and demand is taught in school, if supply and demand is the answer....where does the supply come from and how do players keep up with the economics of game?
anyone care to share opinions on economics of game?
the high prices are mainly due to
1. end game clans farming the rare gear first and sell it for max profit
2. easy access to adena throu rmt, hard to ignore all those spam pm/shouts/mails
3. ppl being greedy as hell and trying to sell overpriced where possible 99.99% of the time and maintaining the high price standards set at point 1.
let me know if I forgot any obvious ones and be aware that due to the nature of what we're discussing here this topic will be short lived as rmt discussions are I think not allowed..
if there's 418724674618976 of item A, the answer is "not much".
If there's only a few, the answer is "as much as they are able and willing to get"
For awhile those prices were lower because the adena sellers were all but gone. Only a few private individuals could sell adena, and even then, not in the huge quantities once seen.
But when it's in full swing... you get prices in the tens of billions for some items.
mostly supply and demand. heavy armors are in high demand while robe isnt, or mage gear in general because of obvious reasons.
for some items there are also small factors like npc prices. notice how some s80 items are 5 times more expensive than r grade, well its because those items sell for much more at npc than your higher grade unidentified or bound items. other prices... well gems have prices set by npc so you cant go that much higher, for some enchants too.
other items like dyes or pendants have some sort of price set by npc because there are some known chances and you can approximate how much you spent to get those.
you can buy all your weapons or armors or enchants from npc so there should be an upper limit to those market prices, except the price you put on fame coins marks whatever or time spent to get those.
other than that, rare stuff like boss jewelry or blessed high lvl items or anything similar is at the player choice and of course supply/demand
Generally the RMT sites will determine. If adena is cheap people buy more of it, thus creating more richer players.
The server's age, like Magmeld certain things are not as available like Chronos.
What bots are actually selling and pumping into the market.
Basic supply and demand. If players are looking to gear up subs in R grade just depends what's in demand. I've seen prices rise and fall with in a 3 day time span.
Basically this. Pre-God adena was anywhere from 350-400 (iirc) dollars per bil. Now adena is 40-50 USD per bil on the RMT market. The value of top items scales with the available adena supply.
There are only 2 things that drive prices in L2 and 1 thing which could drive prices but could not possibly be occurring
1) Botting
2) People who want access to the sweet sweet bot farmed adena and list items for ridiculously high prices
3) NCsoft flooding the market with adena that was generated through a console and not from killing a mob
-if you compare the costs of killing to the expected profits from doing so you see that any given mob will give the player an expected return that is approximately zero (some mobs have a negative expectation and some positive) so it is therefore impossible that all the money flooding the game came from legitimate mob killing because there simply could not be that much money in this game if everyone only had available the amount of money they got from killing a mob minus the money they lost from doing so.
Thus the only possiblity is either botting or NCSoft running the presses to create hyperflation and flooding the market with newly minted but not farmed adena.
I would also add as an opinion that there is no economy in L2 nor would it be possible to have one because the return from mob killing in GoD is so stunted by the cost of killing verse the ridiculously tiny adena reward that we would be left entirely destitute without the cash infusions from either bots or NCSoft employees.
Or maybe the game will just magically change once I pass the level 90 barrier and can hunt somewhere other than swamps or kartia? (fairies isn't an option because those mobs are sooooooooo boring to kill I'd rather go into the dentist for a root canal, not that I even have the time for that anymore).
There are only 2 things that drive prices in L2 and 1 thing which could drive prices but could not possibly be occurring
1) Botting
2) People who want access to the sweet sweet bot farmed adena and list items for ridiculously high prices
3) NCsoft flooding the market with adena that was generated through a console and not from killing a mob
-if you compare the costs of killing to the expected profits from doing so you see that any given mob will give the player an expected return that is approximately zero (some mobs have a negative expectation and some positive) so it is therefore impossible that all the money flooding the game came from legitimate mob killing because there simply could not be that much money in this game if everyone only had available the amount of money they got from killing a mob minus the money they lost from doing so.
Thus the only possiblity is either botting or NCSoft running the presses to create hyperflation and flooding the market with newly minted but not farmed adena.
I would also add as an opinion that there is no economy in L2 nor would it be possible to have one because the return from mob killing in GoD is so stunted by the cost of killing verse the ridiculously tiny adena reward that we would be left entirely destitute without the cash infusions from either bots or NCSoft employees.
Or maybe the game will just magically change once I pass the level 90 barrier and can hunt somewhere other than swamps or kartia? (fairies isn't an option because those mobs are sooooooooo boring to kill I'd rather go into the dentist for a root canal, not that I even have the time for that anymore).
the high prices are mainly due to
1. end game clans farming the rare gear first and sell it for max profit
;)
Yeah... farming Loa/citadel/Mos is rly high end :P
There is only 1 problem in this game... and that's NPC shop + Old top exp areas.
1 bot pty making ~1bil/day from adena + drops/quest that you can sell to NPC shop for rediculous amounts is plain stupid.
vesper weapons w/ a price of 70mil each is so funny :) considering the drop rate...
Citadel mobs drop 100k adena each.. that's funny aswell.
NCsoft devs must be realy stupid... or just too smart...
Pre tauti... any poor random kid could make so much adena by even selling unidentified full items or unidentified craft materials/recipies to NPC shops... the drop rate was so **** high that i could make just from 1 hour run in gog about 15-25kk adena just from the mats+adena drops.
Post-Tauti the Devs decided to make every poor random kid poorer by making the drop rate of all those **** near to non-existant while at the same time lowering the sell price in NPC shops... However... accidentaly they forgot to do that depriving modification to any of the old 80-85 area drops...
Thus, what you see today my friends is just the fruits of the festering Loa/Mos/Citadel bot pties inflating this god-**** NA servers w/ ill-obtained adena.
There is only one solution... Move to innova EU servers.
You wanna know what drives the prices in L2? .... On Naia it's me spamming Aden, Clan, Ally, 3 different Clanforums and Offboards with my wts/wtb shouts and my shop chars :D
Yeah... farming Loa/citadel/Mos is rly high end :P
There is only 1 problem in this game... and that's NPC shop + Old top exp areas.
1 bot pty making ~1bil/day from adena + drops/quest that you can sell to NPC shop for rediculous amounts is plain stupid.
vesper weapons w/ a price of 70mil each is so funny :) considering the drop rate...
Citadel mobs drop 100k adena each.. that's funny aswell.
NCsoft devs must be realy stupid... or just too smart...
Pre tauti... any poor random kid could make so much adena by even selling unidentified full items or unidentified craft materials/recipies to NPC shops... the drop rate was so **** high that i could make just from 1 hour run in gog about 15-25kk adena just from the mats+adena drops.
Post-Tauti the Devs decided to make every poor random kid poorer by making the drop rate of all those **** near to non-existant while at the same time lowering the sell price in NPC shops... However... accidentaly they forgot to do that depriving modification to any of the old 80-85 area drops...
Thus, what you see today my friends is just the fruits of the festering Loa/Mos/Citadel bot pties inflating this god-**** NA servers w/ ill-obtained adena.
There is only one solution... Move to innova EU servers.
1b is too low, its for a regular kid with no administration skills.
dont know if the surveillance team though about this.
u ll make a line, 72 hour, this be the TIME variable. and u put a combat time variable that start from 0 when u enter the "player_in_study" nicknames
so u start the programa, read the name of "player_in_study".
for (i=1; i=10; 1++)
{
if (player_in_study[Tota_combat_time[j]]>TIME*75%)
{
delete //ban// player_in_study;
}
j++
}
something like that, u established a human cap for combat time in one MATH closed interval from 0 to 72 hours; no one can kill mobs for 75% of 72 hours, if so this one is boting or sharing account, acc share is against the eula.
anyone that go to loa, mos, hb, eg, swpl, gog, gc, sn for 2 days straight ll see the same toons that, so the nicknames u ll pick from this.
if survellaice team do that for 3 days to check if a toon staied at the spot nonstop, and put the nickname on this kind of procedure, they ll do the job without losing time.
There are only 2 things that drive prices in L2 and 1 thing which could drive prices but could not possibly be occurring
1) Botting
2) People who want access to the sweet sweet bot farmed adena and list items for ridiculously high prices
3) NCsoft flooding the market with adena that was generated through a console and not from killing a mob
-if you compare the costs of killing to the expected profits from doing so you see that any given mob will give the player an expected return that is approximately zero (some mobs have a negative expectation and some positive) so it is therefore impossible that all the money flooding the game came from legitimate mob killing because there simply could not be that much money in this game if everyone only had available the amount of money they got from killing a mob minus the money they lost from doing so.
Thus the only possiblity is either botting or NCSoft running the presses to create hyperflation and flooding the market with newly minted but not farmed adena.
I would also add as an opinion that there is no economy in L2 nor would it be possible to have one because the return from mob killing in GoD is so stunted by the cost of killing verse the ridiculously tiny adena reward that we would be left entirely destitute without the cash infusions from either bots or NCSoft employees.
Or maybe the game will just magically change once I pass the level 90 barrier and can hunt somewhere other than swamps or kartia? (fairies isn't an option because those mobs are sooooooooo boring to kill I'd rather go into the dentist for a root canal, not that I even have the time for that anymore).
3 SS that i shot last night with my alt in mentee buffs, 6.060.683 adena in 30 MINUTES with a single toon. imagine tons and tons of parties, farming all day nonstop.
use an un awaken spoiler in citadel 1/2 or MoS LoA etc. and see how many of those you'll get ;)
with plunder was 1 to 5, plunder landrate = 75%, plus mobs drop 1 to 5 too.
I m aware of this problem from it starts.
every time i need adena i log my alt ateu and go kill some bot in soa and get its room for 30 minutes to 1 hour, then i mail the itens and adena i made to 0X, my main toon.
with plunder was 1 to 5, plunder landrate = 75%, plus mobs drop 1 to 5 too.
I m aware of this problem from it starts.
every time i need adena i log my alt ateu and go kill some bot in soa and get its room for 30 minutes to 1 hour, then i mail the itens and adena i made to 0X, my main toon.
Awesome. Tell me more about how you make money on alts.
i read somewhere that u got problems with ur dad u wont able to reach 85, dude please getlost.
I'm 90/80/80/84
It would be a shame not to awaken as a Kamaelic Iss before Lindvoir hits.
Also please make constructive and non-insulting posts in this thread. If you don't I can only pray that the Community Manager's judgement on you will be swift and painless.
It would be a shame not to awaken as a Kamaelic Iss before Lindvoir hits.
Also please make constructive and non-insulting posts in this thread. If you don't I can only pray that the Community Manager's judgement on you will be swift and painless.
u start, i just finish it.
i didnt ask u to come here to talk about my gameplay of the fun of the game, i didnt ask u to quote my posts with jokes, u ve been doing this for a while, i just smack u in the face now.
please stop quoot my posts, and we are good, dont quote this one too.
ps: u talking about the community manager? should i copy/past all the url about u talking *hit about me for no reason? grow up zippy.
for (i=1; i=10; 1++)
{
if (player_in_study[Tota_combat_time[j]]>TIME*75%)
{
delete //ban// player_in_study;
}
j++
}
something like that, u established a human cap for combat time in one MATH closed interval from 0 to 72 hours; no one can kill mobs for 75% of 72 hours, if so this one is boting or sharing account, acc share is against the eula.
anyone that go to loa, mos, hb, eg, swpl, gog, gc, sn for 2 days straight ll see the same toons that, so the nicknames u ll pick from this.
if survellaice team do that for 3 days to check if a toon staied at the spot nonstop, and put the nickname on this kind of procedure, they ll do the job without losing time.
3 SS that i shot last night with my alt in mentee buffs, 6.060.683 adena in 30 MINUTES with a single toon. imagine tons and tons of parties, farming all day nonstop.
Best farming spots are taken with 99 lvl guards on them.... and from what I heard one of these days.. 1b/day is too low, for what those top Farm spots do!
Best farming spots are taken with 99 lvl guards on them.... and from what I heard one of these days.. 1b/day is too low, for what those top Farm spots do!
yep i said that, 1b is too low, Colorado have posted stream links here with ppl in eg and there u get r95 to r99 pieces, one r99 weapon key material =1.7m, so just think about all that toons that we can see on these stream links. this is one thing, i ll not reveal the others spots.
the spots are easy to find if ppl cared to remember how things where in H5.. oh wait I just gave the secret away dang..
still knowing where they are isn't going to help you cause bots are there 24/7 with enforcers to kick you out.. all you can do is report them and remind Juji/Cryo about it.