PVP damage increased +30%
HP / MP increased +100%
CP increased +200%
Atk. Spd increased +1500
Physical Crit chance increased +500
Additional Damage on Dragon monsters +300%
Attribute attack 999
For 2 minutes, increase movement speed +100 and immune to all debuff states
Nearby enemies atk, spd./ equine / movement speed decreased 90% and are eventually immobile.
Nearby enemies CP is removed.
3 chance by week on realy low drop rate
its more easy to have zaken on lvl 85 one
2nd you have to keep all the dragon claw
its 3 Max by week, and when i say max its cause drop rate is not 100%
so if we supose 1 clan do all dragon alone
they can have 1 weapon général in 5 month
advanced in 1 years
and high grade in 2 years
that is only for 1 weapon and if claw drop every time
the fragment weapon can't have SA and dont have any augment .... thos weapon start to be good at général, but 1 full clan can only do 1 general in 5-6 month so .... no you will not see thos weapon soon
Where's the donate button? www.xxyyl2withmoneyareeasyxxyy.com(exemple) --> ppl buying weapon +16 for R$ 2000...
first you have to get this bow
3 chance by week on realy low drop rate
its more easy to have zaken on lvl 85 one
2nd you have to keep all the dragon claw
its 3 Max by week, and when i say max its cause drop rate is not 100%
so if we supose 1 clan do all dragon alone
they can have 1 weapon général in 5 month
advanced in 1 years
and high grade in 2 years
that is only for 1 weapon and if claw drop every time
the fragment weapon can't have SA and dont have any augment .... thos weapon start to be good at général, but 1 full clan can only do 1 general in 5-6 month so .... no you will not see thos weapon soon
One Item from list are locked for trade?
it's cute how so many ppl make a post about this without bothering to check if there hasn't been already 1 made before theirs..
epic fail imo
First one ppl need giving 15k + damage in me to discuss?
General Discussion --> for discuss no? none ppl owner of the truth.
Sorry if you don't like my opinion.
only way something to be difficult if not crafted with trade boters.
Draecke's right, you're not the first to open a thread about this, while there is one already...
Also, there's the thing most people complaining for the dragon weapons don't (want to) realize, the fact they're hugely expensive and rare to get and maintain, and you think it's easy? In Korea there are epic dragon farmers and no weapon has been sighted yet...
Now explain me how the "donate button" would make top clans acquire the dragon weapons and claws easily? Maphr Rune probably can play a role, but if the base chance is 0,0000001%, the rune doesn't make it certain that you drop a dragon weapon or claw every single time...
Also, +16 weapons Alone can't apparently kill Epic Tauti, I want to see how many are needed to make Valakas, Antharas and Lindvior raids so smooth they drop that stuff so often, as you believe...
lets go past the drop rate of some of the stuff there that takes around 2 years to obtain them, lets talk about other mats more common like gemstones. by some calculations, every clan member of a clan with around 200 players need to donate about 5 bil adena so they can buy gemstones. yea thats 5 bil adena each player from the entire clan, just to cover the gems costs. as you can see its easy to get, im getting it the first week of lindvior.
Actually is the same story as the Tauti's weapons :) how many tauti weapons you saw around?from when tauti came out in 6 months we still have maybe just 1 weapon in the whole servers we got , so :))
I laught when I see some old players saying its gonna take years to get the last lvl weapon.
How many times Trasken was killed and how many rings there are? How many Tauti rings?
Blessed Antharas and Blessed Valakas?
They gonna put those claws and maybe even the fragment weapons via events.
Gonna be just like soul bottles and blessed jewels.
Ye, cos we have sooo many Tauti Dual Blunts around on our servers already :rolleyes:
Clueless ppl are funny. Fact is not even in NCK they have that so far.
No event there had these Claws as rewards.
And nowadays we mostly see the NCK events as "pay2participate Events" at NCW.
Simple, top players(bot+donators) get this weapon easy.
How ppl get r99 blessed +18 weapon, full boss, set r99 blessed +10? answered above
Why don't put all materials to get weapon locked for trade with daily?
Cheaters only had gear with such oe,atlast gms checked them and reset those items oe to 0,deleted toons with full wharehouse ect.Cheaters are still playing,but with oed weapons they could make with destruction scrolls(and not many scrolls ingame).
I give an example to show the survibility and dmg difference between a fully gear toon with cheated items and with donation items only.
-R99 mage/archer SH with red weapon was solo ganging and kill full 94-95 partys.
-Same toon with red weapon still(but other items reset it seems) was killed 4 times(2 times as mage and 2 as archer)by 94lvl warior dualclass and couldnt kill me on 93lvl healer dualclass.We had lvl1 iss buffs.
About the new boss weapons,since the stats they give are behind game control,i hope we never see them ingame.
I laught when I see some old players saying its gonna take years to get the last lvl weapon.
How many times Trasken was killed and how many rings there are? How many Tauti rings?
Blessed Antharas and Blessed Valakas?
They gonna put those claws and maybe even the fragment weapons via events.
Gonna be just like soul bottles and blessed jewels.
Look, listen to the old players. We are here since years and we know how the things goes.
If the NCsoft say to something, that very low drop rate, it is mean insane low drop rate. If they say high drop rate it is max 20-50%.
Look 120 claws will need and still isn't sure, that for a Valakas weapon only need Valakas claw or good those too what you can get from Antharas and Lindvior.
Also be sure, that a lots of players will enter to the ring to get these weapons and claws, while they need about 1.000 Billions of Adena for R Gem, HGSC, Giant's Energies etc.
Maybe the NCwest will later decide to put them to an Aden Prize Wheel, but might be these will just about 6-12 months later and with very low win probability additionally u need 120 from them!
So I can imagine, that some players spend to APW 1-2-3-4-5 thousands of Dollars, but to spend about 1-2 Millions of Dollars to get 120 claws, i doubt it:D.
Look, listen to the old players. We are here since years and we know how the things goes.
If the NCsoft say to something, that very low drop rate, it is mean insane low drop rate. If they say high drop rate it is max 20-50%.
Look 120 claws will need and still isn't sure, that for a Valakas weapon only need Valakas claw or good those too what you can get from Antharas and Lindvior.
Also be sure, that a lots of players will enter to the ring to get these weapons and claws, while they need about 1.000 Billions of Adena for R Gem, HGSC, Giant's Energies etc.
Maybe the NCwest will later decide to put them to an Aden Prize Wheel, but might be these will just about 6-12 months later and with very low win probability additionally u need 120 from them!
So I can imagine, that some players spend to APW 1-2-3-4-5 thousands of Dollars, but to spend about 1-2 Millions of Dollars to get 120 claws, i doubt it:D.
I play since 2006.
If I recall well, with the exception of Beleth's ring, all other kind of gear was give out from events. Even top s84 weapons back in the day from weapon chests. Wont be different now, specially with game "doing well" as it is and the huge time/adena/effort needed to get the final weapon.
And 'ive seen at least 2 trasken on chronos. One of them from 1st event it was a reward.
I laught when I see some old players saying its gonna take years to get the last lvl weapon.
How many times Trasken was killed and how many rings there are? How many Tauti rings?
Blessed Antharas and Blessed Valakas?
They gonna put those claws and maybe even the fragment weapons via events.
Gonna be just like soul bottles and blessed jewels.
if ncewst make that move, imo only the rmt and ppl who spend money on they game ll be on the game.
i dont know what are ur reasons to play, but mine is simple, i like to kill the topdogs and make them piss of, if those guys start to buy a power that i cant handle playing by hand, i leave.
I laught when I see some old players saying its gonna take years to get the last lvl weapon.
How many times Trasken was killed and how many rings there are? How many Tauti rings?
Blessed Antharas and Blessed Valakas?
They gonna put those claws and maybe even the fragment weapons via events.
Gonna be just like soul bottles and blessed jewels.
Did you see Mardil's weapon, Stratagos Shaper, Butcher's Blades, Maliss Stormer, Freya's Staff, Tiat's Claw, Hellblade, Tauti Blunt, Tauti Dual Blunt, Tauti Two-Handed Blunt, Blades of Delusion, Spezion's Claw in the L2 Store anytime?
Also I guess if they would put Dragon Weapons to L2Store or Claws, NCKorea would kick off the whole L2staff on the same day.
In Korea very big social event to get these weapons and make pvp with them much bigger to get them first.
So they won't allow might be to none of their region to put to the L2Store something what has really huge open world effect and really huge worldwide community effect.
Tauti and Trasken rings aren't so way better stuffs from the AQ, Baium and Octavis. So you won't win a pvp just cuz after, that spent 2000$ to Prize Wheel got a Tauti Ring.
Also you won't be able to use everywhere the dragon weapons, so you have to have a very good current weapon too.
The rarity of a weapon is only relevant in so far as this shows that the game mechanics favor/give a special advantage to one type of player over another.
The fact that a weapon might only have one in existance is completely irrelevant in regards to deciding whether a weapon has overpowered stats which gives the weapon owner an unfair advantage against another player who does not have a similar weapon especially when the other player does not have the ability to acquire a similar weapon.
So if the stats of this weapon are overpowered compared to other weapons of the same grade and the weapon belongs to a class of weapons that cannot be acquired by every member of the game who could use that weapon if they had it then the game is unfairly discriminating against certain players and either the weapon's stats should be reduced to those compareable to other weapons of the same grade or else an alternative path of acquisition for players who could not have acquired this class of weapons needs to be created.
Thus the rarer a weapon is means the less of an advantage the weapon can provide. If only one of the weapon is ever going to be thought to exist then that weapon should probable have stats which are exactly the same as the other weapons of the same group because anything else would be unfair and impermissible in a game that is supposed to be based around PvP (but that would still hold true in a game based on PvE).
I can make a screenshot for you with "L2Store" button. Yes, it was not perma sales but who need - spend about 1k$ to make +16 phisical weapon and about 1.5k$ for +16 mage weapon. And it's was legal (legit).
Actually is the same story as the Tauti's weapons :) how many tauti weapons you saw around?from when tauti came out in 6 months we still have maybe just 1 weapon in the whole servers we got , so :))
I can't consider Tauti weapon as too much OP. If you check *** blue messages during mass pvp you will see in 90% of cases only archer and mages names. Oh, and tanks with reflects also. From Tauti we can get weapon only for tanks, isses and tyrs. Tyr is nice class for pvp but still archers and mages do more damage in mass pvp. And one of the reason of that fact is range damage (easy to select weak targets, not much enemy tanks near you, no need often to escape from enemy focus). For sure in 7 vs 7 it's not so important.
How many times Trasken was killed and how many rings there are? How many Tauti rings?
Blessed Antharas and Blessed Valakas?
They gonna put those claws and maybe even the fragment weapons via events.
Blessed Valakas/Antharas going "just as planned" - every 2 month +1 of each blessed epic. Plus bottles from events. As for me - good amount if we dont have every one on server to have that epic.
Btw you post here only 4 lvl (top grade) weapon. You can also post other (1-2-3 lvl or dragon weapons). And those weapons is OP too (much more OP than Tauti weapons).
1 party (from top clan ofc) with 2-3 dragon weapons (even lvl 1-2) will be just unstoppable. You can compare it with 2-3 anakim party before GoD (I remember 100500 qq-topics "please remove anakim from game!!!111". Yes, drop rate for dragon weapon is very low and there is very low chance to get bow or mage weapon. So in general it will be extreemly low chance to get good dragon weapon but person who will get it will become like perma-anakim before GoD.
But speaking about that weapon you forget about dragons itself. I'm not sure that it will be possible to kill dragons in next update. Now having CC close to full we need about 3 hours to kill Antharas and about 4-5 hours to kill Valakas.
If someone dont know less HP dragon have, more HP regen he receive and on last 15-20% only BR helps to make damage more that regen. On next update dragon HP will be increased (not sure but I think it will be like +50-100% increase). And surprize !!! "You need to drop last 25% of dragons HP in 15 min or he will use frenzy and chances to kill him will be very low" (c) patch notes.
If you can drop last 25% of dragon's HP (hello hp regen) - you can kill whole dragon in about 40 min.
So main question - does anyone have info from Korean servers? Afaik they got Lindvior long time ago, so how much time did they kill Anthy/Valakas and how much dragon weapon (and with what lvl) they have?
Afaik Lindvior itself is possible to be killed and he is intance so even pve-clan who can't pvp for Anthy/Valakas can farm him. But does 1 dragon is enough to get dragon weapons? Coz I dont trust to words "luck" and "random"
I can make a screenshot for you with "L2Store" button.
I've seen it. I still have never seen a "donate" button. Still waiting for the screenshot of that.
So main question - does anyone have info from Korean servers? Afaik they got Lindvior long time ago, so how much time did they kill Anthy/Valakas and how much dragon weapon (and with what lvl) they have?
Those Dragon Weapons are a purely platonic thing, something like the 500 hp Lamborghinis that are being discussed by car enthusiasts on motor shows - you may look, but you will never get your hands on one :D
This must be opposite day because you're completely backwards.
Not in the least. Saying anything other than what I am saying would be backwards.
PvP hinges on the idea that both parties are entering into it having been given an equal oppurtunity to acquire the same level/type/quality of gear so that they could if they wished both have equal stats when beginning and if they do not then the fault lies only with the lazy party who refused the oppurtunity that the other party accepted.
However this is contingent on the idea that the oppurtinuty being offered was one that would have been acceptible to and viable for the members of each party. Clearly an oppurtunity that looked something like if you play L2 for 10 hours every day, 7 days a week for 6 months then you will get X would be a nonviable and unacceptible oppurtunity for anyone who is trying to hold down a full time job and as such the refusing party would not be at fault for refusing, instead the game's designers would be at fault for presenting an oppurtunity that would clearly have been unviable and unacceptible for the party whose members needed to hold full time jobs.
When the oppurtunity is one that is based on excessive luck, or on already having the best gear, or on belonging to one of the few clans which are able to kill boss X, then clearly such an oppurtunity will not be viable or acceptible for any party whose members do not meet those criteria because they cannot meet them and the criteria could shown to be designed so that most people cannot meet them. And that is where the unfairness and discrimination comes and why such a thing is completely unacceptible and therefore why super rare weapons like this cannot have overpowered stats.
Game designers of PvP games cannot design overpowered weapons that are essentially gifts to the most powerful clans that serve only to ensure that the most powerful clans remain the most powerful clans and completely disrupt PvP which was supposed to be the focus of your game but which cannot be the focus of your game any longer when the parties cannot compete in PvP on equal footing.
The more disruptive the piece of equipment can be to PvP balance and the idea that parties participate on equal footing, then the greater the lengths developers must go to ensure that this piece of equipment actually will not disrupt PvP balance.
Clearly a weapon with such amazingly overpowered stats as this would be disruptive to PvP balance, and the rarity only ensures that it will be disruptive to PvP balance whereas if it wasn't particularly rare and every clan had access to them then it wouldn't be anywhere near as disruptive to PvP balance.
PvP in l2 has NEVER been about both parties being equal. L2 is, and always has been, about which side can get the most advantages.
Before the "fancy" stuff we have now it was about being higher level with better skills and better basic gear in general, and then having the party setup to be OP. Archers, daggers, nukers, Necros, etc. Pick a chronicle and you can see what people stacked to make their PvP party more Op than the others.
Then you had epics, skill enchants, sa's, augments, subs skills, element, OE'd equip bonuses, tats, etc all added into the mix.
The high end advantages (epics, certain equip) has always been cut off from the "average" player because only the top clans that were willing/able to fight for it and succeed could kill what dropped them.
If you want to complain about anything it's about all the numerous "l2 store only" stacked advantages people wind up getting. They are minor, but they stack up on top of all the in game benefits "anyone" can get.
Wall of text.
Pvp isn't supposed to be equal. The clan farming all of the epics is the clan most deserving of it. If no one is going to contest them for it then they don't deserve the strong gear. The game gets "unbalanced" when people don't/can't work together against the stronger force.
The post above yours pretty much makes zero value of your argument.
How?
My argument finds fault with something being both overpowered and and rare. I would find less fault with something that was overpowered but common or rare but equivalent to everything else.
The fact that none or even one exists is no importance to the theory of my argument. The fault of creating such an overpowered weapon that was designed to be rare and to give a huge and unbalanced benefit to the owner is where the main problem lies. The actual existance of this weapon on a server at any moment in time is almost irrelevent because at any moment in the future such a weapon could come into existance and was designed to come into existance.
And this position of course perfectly explains the removal of might mortal, the nerf to archers, the huge sleep nerf, and all those other major changes (particularly the huge overhaul of all the classes in Goddess of Destruction) that were made precisely to create balance in PvP?
Pvp isn't supposed to be equal. The clan farming all of the epics is the clan most deserving of it. If no one is going to contest them for it then they don't deserve the strong gear. The game gets "unbalanced" when people don't/can't work together against the stronger force.
The clan farming all the epics is the clan least in need of those epics.
My claim is that the clans which can't work against the stronger clans now will never be in a position to in the future because the actions and reasons which gave rise to the difference in the past and present are going to continue into the future.
And this position of course perfectly explains the removal of might mortal, the nerf to archers, the huge sleep nerf, and all those other major changes (particularly the huge overhaul of all the classes in Goddess of Destruction) that were made precisely to create balance in PvP?
This is called "Moving the goal posts".
We aren't talking about balancing the classes. We're talking about gear. Gear that is hard to acquire should naturally be more deadly. Otherwise why would anyone work to get them?
Basically, you are given your class. You earn your gear.
Pvp isn't supposed to be equal. The clan farming all of the epics is the clan most deserving of it. If no one is going to contest them for it then they don't deserve the strong gear. The game gets "unbalanced" when people don't/can't work together against the stronger force.
He should go playing Guild Wars 2, where the majority of the content involves soloing or only 5-men parties, not 200+ people raid forces. And you can gain the same things other people get, instead of getting scraps from the top clans.
He should go playing Guild Wars 2, where the majority of the content involves soloing or only 5-men parties, not 200+ people raid forces. And you can gain the same things other people get, instead of getting scraps from the top clans.
Well if the top clans were legit, then it would be encouraging to compete with anyone that played but since top clans choose not to play legit then there is not much motivation to play this game. As far as Chronos goes the top clans choose to utilize third party programs. So in essence that argument is valid because people get away with third party usage, however I would not agree with Ellisande if the game was 100% legit. I would work for the best when these days that is not allowed by the top farmers/players etc etc... So Ellisande has a valid argument in one respect but not in another.
He should go playing Guild Wars 2, where the majority of the content involves soloing or only 5-men parties, not 200+ people raid forces. And you can gain the same things other people get, instead of getting scraps from the top clans.
I love you Tiff, We should play GW2 together sometime. I haven't even started yet since I was away in Shanghai for the past 9 months xD
I love you Tiff, We should play GW2 together sometime. I haven't even started yet since I was away in Shanghai for the past 9 months xD
I'm playing on the Euro servers. Doubt they have implement trans-oceanic guesting =/