I noticed when watching all the 7v7's the rez was not working properly. It seemed no one was able to accept a rez cast.
Since your rules clearly stated the rez is allowed in 7v7's and it was clearly not working there should be a rematch of the teams that are interested and able to participate.
I am pretty sure it would change a lot of the gameplay.
ya this was not clear and not intended so all the fights were done the same BUT under conditions that no one was prepared for ANY GMs cryo and juji said you can rez .... so all the fights done with no rez :/
There were a number of issues with the way the tournament was conducted. Rezzing in 7v7 was clearly bugged for all participants, and the timing in the 1v1 matches was a complete joke. The Enmity v Superior 1v1s had a DQ that occured 17 seconds after the 5 minute mark that turned a draw into a loss, a draw that went 52 seconds over time, a loss that occured 32 seconds after time was up, and the last match went 25 seconds over as well. I haven't gone over the other matches in detail yet but Emmrahil (Immortal) had an excessively long fight vs the healer, and double BR was pretty lol in the xa0 v dismiss match after extra salvations were being cancelled off prior to the match starting.
its funy how the teams that won wont defend of say anything to help themselfs, or if they stay quiet it will go away ? lol
Well, what do you want us to say ? I totally agree some things were not going nicely today. I can surely think about our 1v1 time when suddenly our healer got unbuff (well, may be a sigel got the ability to cancel 6 buffs in a row).
We noticed the No rez aswell, we had to play with it. Was it fair ? No it wasn't for any team, especially for the 1st two which played since we had the luck to heard about it and we tried to adapt a bit to avoid any problem with that if the bug would replicate.
Will the winning team ask for a rematch ? Of course no. And if you are going for rematches, it will just not take few minutes... It was fair for nobody, but we all had to deal with it. It's not like one team had been able to use rez while the other was not.
But yeah, it still sux to have team pvp without being able to rez. I hope we will be able to rez tomorrow.
I think, even though it sucks and it affected my match (we still won, but i died due to mashing rez key instead of polymorph), the rez bug affected everyone equally, so rematches are not necessary. The good teams adapted more quickly.
The bugs/mistimings that did not affect everyone equally (like Enmity in the 1v1s, and xa0 in the 7v7) should be rematched, it's only fair.
Well, what do you want us to say ? I totally agree some things were not going nicely today. I can surely think about our 1v1 time when suddenly our healer got unbuff (well, may be a sigel got the ability to cancel 6 buffs in a row).
We noticed the No rez aswell, we had to play with it. Was it fair ? No it wasn't for any team, especially for the 1st two which played since we had the luck to heard about it and we tried to adapt a bit to avoid any problem with that if the bug would replicate.
Will the winning team ask for a rematch ? Of course no. And if you are going for rematches, it will just not take few minutes... It was fair for nobody, but we all had to deal with it. It's not like one team had been able to use rez while the other was not.
But yeah, it still sux to have team pvp without being able to rez. I hope we will be able to rez tomorrow.
there is a difference , about ress and br , the ress was for everyone , the br just by 1grp , and tbh since gm deleted 4salvation before , im asking why? was proibited? yes /tryed to cheat= DQ , no= dont delete salvation
and onestly semifinal/final gonna be more and more ****** since everyone gonna try to abuse abut skill reuse , and this only ruin the pvp ... so fail ncsotf/gm even a symple event and rule cant do right
Its pretty simple they were allowed to rez yet they could not. Now no matter how you try to justify that the match was not ran correctly because of it, and they all should be redone. This changing rules as we go will destroy whats left of this game.
there is a difference , about ress and br , the ress was for everyone , the br just by 1grp , and tbh since gm deleted 4salvation before , im asking why? was proibited? yes /tryed to cheat= DQ , no= dont delete salvation
and onestly semifinal/final gonna be more and more ****** since everyone gonna try to abuse abut skill reuse , and this only ruin the pvp ... so fail ncsotf/gm even a symple event and rule cant do right
I think if NCSoft dos not realize this is going to ruin the semi-final and final matches, they are being shortsighted. They had everything going well until they will allow this exploit.
The fact we couldn't rez 100% suprised us in the first match and didnt do us any good. Double BR didnt happen against us but that stuff shouldn't be allowed during/before countdown.
it would be fair if it would be known from start for all teams.
my team was in first 2 teams to fight as well.
we did not know bout the resses.
but even though, it was something that everyone faced almost equally.
we can say that we can forget about it cause rematching every match that was done today is not plausible.
but , I do agree that other parts of some fights are of crucial importance.
the least we can expect is a clear answer from the gms about everything.
including the 2-brs, the resses and every other issue that happened today.
my team was in first 2 teams to fight as well.
we did not know bout the resses.
but even though, it was something that everyone faced almost equally.
we can say that we can forget about it cause rematching every match that was done today is not plausible.
but , I do agree that other parts of some fights are of crucial importance.
the least we can expect is a clear answer from the gms about everything.
including the 2-brs, the resses and every other issue that happened today.
u have more chance to win a lottery than getting a real answer from gm (or any answer)
I think if NCSoft dos not realize this is going to ruin the semi-final and final matches, they are being shortsighted. They had everything going well until they will allow this exploit.
rob i watched troy fraps from final on innova BT , it was so cool to watch.. all with 2healer and full epic/gear very well organized , the final on baium room (no blink out of arena) , nice LIVE commenting , ncsoft BT are just " lets hope it finish fast , dont care how , just fast"
want a good arena/time for 1vs1? pull ppl in oly and let them do a oly match so the 5min time will be right , no run arond any rock , 1 gm just rdy to pull the next member after someone die ... its so easy to think how to organize well the event , if u want to enjoy it....
GM's applying different rules to two teams, is clearly biased.
The teams that lost from your clan/server deserve clearly a rematch in your mind and the other 2 teams that won..... nah they don't need to rematch. this alone shows how objective and emotionally involved you are. Get over it grow up take your loss like a man.
If i was NCSOFT west i would NEVER EVER make a tournament like this again. the tears... unbelievable.
GM's applying different rules to two teams, is clearly biased.
i was thinking it was 4 match yesterday, but seems that only your "friends" that lost deserve a rematch. Try to think before talking, everyone match got affected by that "rez bug" so else its 0 or 4 rematch.
there is a difference , about ress and br , the ress was for everyone , the br just by 1grp , and tbh since gm deleted 4salvation before , im asking why? was proibited? yes /tryed to cheat= DQ , no= dont delete salvation
Whats wrong with 4 salvation? its like nobody ever asked for extra salvation before going to do some pvp.... the parties that took extra salvation pmed them-self juji/cryo to ask them if its fine or not, do you see any cheat there? did the match started with a party with 4 salvation? funny thing on this tournament is that almost all the rematch that we saw had 1 party from chronos server in and only those chronos parties are qqing about everything, mb just learn to lose and accept it.
i was thinking it was 4 match yesterday, but seems that only your "friends" that lost deserve a rematch. Try to think before talking, everyone match got affected by that "rez bug" so else its 0 or 4 rematch.
Im all up for everyone who wants the rematch and deserves it gets it, but I have only heard those two teams complain.
If another teams does I will for sure also fight for them.
Plus those two teams had TWO other several bugs affecting their matches.
The teams that lost from your clan/server deserve clearly a rematch in your mind and the other 2 teams that won..... nah they don't need to rematch. this alone shows how objective and emotionally involved you are. Get over it grow up take your loss like a man.
If i was NCSOFT west i would NEVER EVER make a tournament like this again. the tears... unbelievable.
Mighty is talking about the 2 teams that had questionable activity in how GMs ruled ....
Im all up for everyone who wants the rematch and deserves it gets it, but I have only heard those two teams complain.
If another teams does I will for sure also fight for them.
Plus those two teams had TWO other several bugs affecting their matches.
yes i agree here, but if GMs are not doing anything about an obvious "bug" like the rez, i dont think that they will do for something else. Anyway just wait and see, but as i said before in my opinion its else 0 or 4 rematch.
yes i agree here, but if GMs are not doing anything about an obvious "bug" like the rez, i dont think that they will do for something else. Anyway just wait and see, but as i said before in my opinion its else 0 or 4 rematch.
I found a new one:
In the second 7v7 match Dismiss team never kills Ishmila. EVER, and they call FINISH while he was still alive.
The rules say "every member must die".
Is that enough information for the biased GM's? calling the match "FINISH" when its not over? Maybe the other team had ran out of BR and got nervous and asked the GM to yell finish?
In the second 7v7 match Dismiss team never kills Ishmila. EVER, and they call FINISH while he was still alive.
The rules say "every member must die".
Is that enough information for the biased GM's? calling the match "FINISH" when its not over? Maybe the other team had ran out of BR and got nervous and asked the GM to yell finish?
Hour 4:48:40. JUST WOW.
1:38:45, same thing happen for the enmity match, darkdragon was in hide i think and since he wasnt atking they just ended the match, i guess they did the same for ishmila. TBH i dont think that a summoner or dagger alone would have kill a full grp^^ Since we dont see ishmila on the stream i cant rly say anything, if he was atking or not.
4 complete rematches (12 fights) is probably excessive; I also don't see the point because the rez bug is the only bug that affected everyone in those fights, and it affected everyone equally
the worst 2 cases were the second 7v7 from xa0 v dismiss (the first one they also abused the same bug, but lost), and the 1v1 section from enmity vs superior. I did not mention the 1v1 from xa0 vs dismiss, because I'm not sure the summoner pets having buffs made the difference in the fight. But in the 7v7 it was clearly the deciding factor.
it's far more reasonable to replay 2 (maybe 3 if Enmity wins) matches, rather than 8-12.
1:38:45, same thing happen for the enmity match, darkdragon was in hide i think and since he wasnt atking they just ended the match, i guess they did the same for ishmila. TBH i dont think that a summoner or dagger alone would have kill a full grp^^ Since we dont see ishmila on the stream i cant rly say anything, if he was atking or not.
He was attacking the warrior you can see his HP go down. It doesnt matter if it makes a difference or not, rules arent there to be broken. If that is the case once 5 members are down they should yell FINISH aswell.
4 complete rematches (12 fights) is probably excessive; I also don't see the point because the rez bug is the only bug that affected everyone in those fights, and it affected everyone equally
the worst 2 cases were the second 7v7 from xa0 v dismiss (the first one they also abused the same bug, but lost), and the 1v1 section from enmity vs superior
it's far more reasonable to replay 2 (maybe 3 if Enmity wins) matches, rather than 8-12.
Yup, those matches were bugged with many other things apart from the rez, the rez is just like a cherry on top of everything else.