First time I would love to say big thank you NC for this limitation! I really mean it! Probably one of the best thing you done to get rid of bot trains (hopefully for long) from our virtual world! It's so much fun to read 3rd program forums and see botters crying and waiting for fix of this limitation. To those who are legal and just want to get extra mentees, boxes, shops...guys, you may easy use 3 accounts. Mentee dont give so much exp bonus anymore. You may get buffs for your mentee from adventure or even make ISS with healer sub! Use AH if you can't box shop! Use your mentor, iss as a shop! Stop **** crying! It's absolutely enought of 3 accounts per PC! Thank you!
BTW.: some time ago I red in forum one suggestion, to make one time payment for new account creation...lets say even 5 USD etc., it would help to get rid of some bots, adena sellers in-game.
First time I would love to say big thank you NC for this limitation! I really mean it! Probably one of the best thing you done to get rid of bot trains (hopefully for long) from our virtual world! It's so much fun to read 3rd program forums and see botters crying and waiting for fix of this limitation. To those who are legal and just want to get extra mentees, boxes, shops...guys, you may easy use 3 accounts. Mentee dont give so much exp bonus anymore. You may get buffs for your mentee from adventure or even make ISS with healer sub! Use AH if you can't box shop! Use your mentor, iss as a shop! Stop **** crying! It's absolutely enought of 3 accounts per PC! Thank you!
BTW.: some time ago I red in forum one suggestion, to make one time payment for new account creation...lets say even 5 USD etc., it would help to get rid of some bots, adena sellers in-game.
Yes 1 time payment not monthly but just activation payment 5 $ will do the job ) Proffesional adena farmers will pay anyway , but still this will remove like 80% of automated trains of 7 pplz in farm zones.
did any of u guys were playing in official before f2p???
i just want to point out, that before f2p every account had to be paid monthly, and i can tell u that the number of bot trains now is not much bigger than it was before. adena selling is way to much profitable for this 5$ account activation to be of any consequence.... just open your eyes and smell the coffee.:mad:
oh and btw 30 minutes after the **** servers were up, there were already ppl logging much more than 3 accounts in only 1 computer. that great account limitation was only another huge fail as so many others before.
the ones that dont know already how to do it, legit or botters will know in less than 2 days and all will be back to normal. so stop being so **** naives.:p
did any of u guys were playing in official before f2p???
i just want to point out, that before f2p every account had to be paid monthly, and i can tell u that the number of bot trains now is not much bigger than it was before. adena selling is way to much profitable for this 5$ account activation to be of any consequence.... just open your eyes and smell the coffee.:mad:
oh and btw 30 minutes after the **** servers were up, there were already ppl logging much more than 3 accounts in only 1 computer. that great account limitation was only another huge fail as so many others before.
the ones that dont know already how to do it, legit or botters will know in less than 2 days and all will be back to normal. so stop being so **** naives.:p
yeah, I've been playing before f2p and no, there were not same amount of bots. I know ppls who had before update 21-28 characters boting. Yeah, as much as I know to log more than 3 characters you have to bypass GG. Well how to say nicely, it is like asking for ban by writing an e-mail to GM... :)
and yes, adena selling is more profitable when those 5 USD, but this kind of thing would lower the ammount of ppl who are botting their mentees, who are pming you with adverts etc. And would add extra money to NC, hopefully for employing one more GM to ban those botters :)
yeah, I've been playing before f2p and no, there were not same amount of bots. I know ppls who had before update 21-28 characters boting. Yeah, as much as I know to log more than 3 characters you have to bypass GG. Well how to say nicely, it is like asking for ban by writing an e-mail to GM... :)
lol, mate, really grow up and open your eyes. to put it nicely,ofc.
the big diference from now to before f2p was that back then they from time to time banned some bots, now they simply dont. as for to ask a GM for ban, let me put it in a way that u can understand, they dont care. if they did they would just ban every bot that have been reported, they didnt. there was one on naia that had at least 200+ reports. some guys even made a vid of the bot and his protector and send it to GM's.
ofc nothing happened and last time i checked he was still farming in the same spot.
the thing is, if u think or hope that this kind of stuff will stop any botter, think again cause it will not. unfortunatly if i may say so
yeah, I've been playing before f2p and no, there were not same amount of bots. I know ppls who had before update 21-28 characters boting. Yeah, as much as I know to log more than 3 characters you have to bypass GG. Well how to say nicely, it is like asking for ban by writing an e-mail to GM... :)
Then you don't know much a friend of mine told me that he can run as many clients as he wants without tampering with the client ^^ they did this so they can say they did something, ppl with a bit of tech knowledge will bypass this as if didn't exist.
Then you don't know much a friend of mine told me that he can run as many clients as he wants without tampering with the client ^^ they did this so they can say they did something, ppl with a bit of tech knowledge will bypass this as if didn't exist.
lol, mate, really grow up and open your eyes. to put it nicely,ofc.
the big diference from now to before f2p was that back then they from time to time banned some bots, now they simply dont. as for to ask a GM for ban, let me put it in a way that u can understand, they dont care. if they did they would just ban every bot that have been reported, they didnt. there was one on naia that had at least 200+ reports. some guys even made a vid of the bot and his protector and send it to GM's.
ofc nothing happened and last time i checked he was still farming in the same spot.
the thing is, if u think or hope that this kind of stuff will stop any botter, think again cause it will not. unfortunatly if i may say so
bro, who said that they gonna ban them then? They bot they bot, so why not to make some money from them? If lets say there will be 5 USD fee for acc creation, money gonna go to NCsoft, so they are more interested in new accounts, for botter to create new account you have to lose your existing bot, that means if NC wants to earn from new account creation they have to ban illigal players, to make them to pay for new created accounts. More bans - more money. During p2p you were paying monthly fee, that means more accounts playing, more money monthly. Do you see difference? If no, man, good luck with making money in your life...it's elemental economy.
Then you don't know much a friend of mine told me that he can run as many clients as he wants without tampering with the client ^^ they did this so they can say they did something, ppl with a bit of tech knowledge will bypass this as if didn't exist.
Virtual machines and so on, yes, what percentage of botters are ppl IT knowlege? 80% of those cheaters are just using WYSIWYG, user interface... Yeah, I am now running 5 clients myself, have to plvl some toons for few buffs :)
Virtual machines and so on, yes, what percentage of botters are ppl IT knowlege? 80% of those cheaters are just using WYSIWYG, user interface... Yeah, I am now running 5 clients myself, have to plvl some toons for few buffs :)
Using just WYSIWYG user interface, i did not have any problems logging 4+ accounts (although i just use my main 3 main+buff+mentor setup, anymore and my PC starts acting up).
I would have expected NCWest to implement a MAC checking or process masking to block 3+, bu what the hel...
The way this 3 box/pc restriction was implemented is useless. It is only preventing many of the players who do not care/are not very PC knowledgeable. It's very avoidable, botters as well as many non-botters have already defeated this and run as many clients as they want.
NCSoft should remove this restriction period, it's sort of offensive to those who play L2 following the rules and have invested much of their time into the game. Many people have stated coming 8 years into L2 they need more than 3 clients.
the way this 3 box/pc restriction was implemented is useless. It is only preventing many of the players who do not care/are not very pc knowledgeable. It's very avoidable, botters as well as many non-botters have already defeated this and run as many clients as they want.
Ncsoft should remove this restriction period, it's sort of offensive to those who play l2 following the rules and have invested much of their time into the game. Many people have stated coming 8 years into l2 they need more than 3 clients.
Virtual machines and so on, yes, what percentage of botters are ppl IT knowlege? 80% of those cheaters are just using WYSIWYG, user interface... Yeah, I am now running 5 clients myself, have to plvl some toons for few buffs :)
Virtual machines? O.o that's a waste of computer resources, abstraction layers are enough for it ^^
I would like to congratulate NCsoft on decision to limit accounts logged from 1 PC but the implementation.... Are you serious? Client side? Really?
To put 3 clients per PC all you need is to call a guy who's responsible for your servers and ask him to put a limitation on log in server based on users MAC address (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address). This is really easy to set up and doesn't cost anything as any decent server software has this feature built in. Further more it is easily configurable and could be done within hours.
bro, who said that they gonna ban them then? They bot they bot, so why not to make some money from them? If lets say there will be 5 USD fee for acc creation, money gonna go to NCsoft, so they are more interested in new accounts, for botter to create new account you have to lose your existing bot, that means if NC wants to earn from new account creation they have to ban illigal players, to make them to pay for new created accounts. More bans - more money. During p2p you were paying monthly fee, that means more accounts playing, more money monthly. Do you see difference? If no, man, good luck with making money in your life...it's elemental economy.
so ur fix for the bot problems is giving NC more money??? NC income went up like never before when they went f2p (check it if u want to), and they did nothing to prevent ppl from boting, what makes u think that making NC earn more profits will make them prevent bots? and honestly, most of the botters out there are the ones making NC sell more items from store (yes really).
I honestly dont see any logic in this 5$ fee, will not prevent anything to start and will only serve to boost NC income for doing nothing.
just check the bot section in this forum and u have lots of possible fixes for the bot problem, some good some not really, but u will get the point for sure.
clapping for a failed measure and asking for fee to log a new account is not the way to go and make a better game.
Bah its all business and bot program is involved in this business and behind all this is far more than usual pplz can see with naked eye. I can tell u only one thing, Bot is the result of human "**** sapiens sapiens" behaviour .
This eager of power ... This lack of morality basicly leads to destruction. well what can be done about that ? ... supose not much . something incredible has to happen to change that .
yeah, I've been playing before f2p and no, there were not same amount of bots. I know ppls who had before update 21-28 characters boting. Yeah, as much as I know to log more than 3 characters you have to bypass GG. Well how to say nicely, it is like asking for ban by writing an e-mail to GM... :)
assuming that the GMs dont know who bots is silly. They can tell exactly who bots simply by looking at packet traffic. They are lazy and botters make nc soft it's money, not the legit players.
did any of u guys were playing in official before f2p???
i just want to point out, that before f2p every account had to be paid monthly, and i can tell u that the number of bot trains now is not much bigger than it was before. adena selling is way to much profitable for this 5$ account activation to be of any consequence.... just open your eyes and smell the coffee.:mad:
did you guy were playing in official before f2p? because i remember how me and my friends played fair and only one of many my friends was tired from grind and he found easy and weak bot program and trying to configurate it, but he failed, and i can say he was very smart about computers and programs, so i dont know where you played before f2p, or probably for you "before f2p" means in 2010 :D
i talk about 2006 maybe, ofcourse i dont remember for sure, i can only lie but it is pointless, and so, i said "about"+"maybe".
Then you don't know much a friend of mine told me that he can run as many clients as he wants without tampering with the client ^^ they did this so they can say they did something, ppl with a bit of tech knowledge will bypass this as if didn't exist.
this is actually pointless because it cannot safe you from ban, you can run 999 clients but from same IP anyway, you cannot run 2 IP on same computer at same time, minimum you need 2 network card\2cabels\2computers or w\e etc... its not so cheap like free bot programm which let you run 99999 clients :) this limitation i think is just for users who dont know computer as much as cheaters and makes them to prevent from run alot clients and beign banned, because probably these users not adena sellers or farmers or w\e and they just play\test game\EXPLORE you know..
so all this acts for bypass is pointless because you can be banned any time after doing this, and they just waiting for better moment :)
assuming that the GMs dont know who bots is silly. They can tell exactly who bots simply by looking at packet traffic. They are lazy and botters make nc soft it's money, not the legit players.
agree, they are server owners, they know everything, so you cant hide, you can but its expensive, and not worth.
everything can be seen just with traffic, so for safe limit bypass you should have - 3 accounts same time = 1 ip, 1 network adapter, 1 net cabble :) more than 3 = more than 1, expensive?, hard?, worth? dont you think? :)
who disagree - tell me please how to open just 2 clients for example with different ip with 1 network adapter, 1 net cable, 1 computer, i just wanna see "cool story" bro :D
So if I run 3 accts, my roommate runs 3, wife runs 3, daughter runs her dad 3 to help out, and wife's girlfriend runs another 3 when they done screwing around, isn't that 15 accounts running from 1 IP address? Can't ban over IP alone, only 1 really cheating here is the wife.
So if I run 3 accts, my roommate runs 3, wife runs 3, daughter runs her dad 3 to help out, and wife's girlfriend runs another 3 when they done screwing around, isn't that 15 accounts running from 1 IP address? Can't ban over IP alone, only 1 really cheating here is the wife.
Have you ever heard about something called Hwid?