Crash, Boom, Bang

I am just wondering what has/is gonna happen to our economy; I have played L2 on/off since Open Beta and whilst I preferred the old chronicles economy... the recent changes are quiet drastic.

Let me explain, in previous recent chronicles before GoD people were working in 100 of millions, rather than Billions as they do now; This was partially due to the fact that a lot of people were at the level cap and gear was being farmed regularly in MoS/Frint/Freya/LoA... there were those few who were making a big killing by farming kariks (flooding the market with wind stones); but on a whole the market was fairly stable... Epic prices had remained fairly static with the exception of Anthy/Valakas (due to them being too hard to farm).

When GoD came out and especially with the introduction of more instances/unidentified armors people started working in the billions, mainly cause items were fairly easily obtainable. Not to mention the fact that MoS/LoA/Hellbound/Stakato was full of bot trains and unlike exping/farming in new content zones; these areas items were being npced/crushed and giving the farmers direct $$$.

For example, people running one group in LoA could make on average 1-1.5bil adena a day in hard cash after npcing it. Due to the fact that so much money was available it pushed the rl value of adena down and many people were buying it from said farmers, thus increasing the price of R95/R99 items and epics especially (e.g AQ is 4bil on Shilen). Now people exping in new areas were making as much as 1-1.5bil a day, but their items were affected by supply & demand unlike the pre-GoD areas. Now I admit for a while I thought this was a broken system, but when you look at the prices to port around/second augment a r99 weapon (7-8bil) it seemed fairly logical that adena could be farmed this easily.

Now in Lindivor this has changed drastically, all areas do not produce a fraction of the money that they did before and whilst I think this is good and will improve the value of crafting the big problem is that they have not adjusted the money sinks accordingly. For example, enchanting skills/augmenting/SAing costs billions (these are prices that are unaffected by economic changes)... hell soon even buying a weapon will become impossible for the average player and frankly drive away new players cause they cannot even begin to compete with pre-lindivor players who have gotten this stuff rather easily in comparison.

You wont notice this immediately as there is quiet a lot of adena on the market and in peoples pockets, but the prices will rise for a brief period then crash horribly. Good if you plan on saving your money, bad if you are trying to earn money in any legitimate format. (+ this wont affect adena farmers in the long run, itll just mean they sell less adena for higher prices).

I dont read any of the new content stuff, but has any of this been adjusted in the upcoming changes in korea? Discuss... :confused:

Gee before GoD no one made billions of adena in a day. Saving for gear was after getting your new set was always the priority. If there was an event you made as much money as you could off it. You did any quest that was worth the reward to sell.

The bots have always controlled the market. When there isn't a saturated market of key mats the prices of items go up. When the price of adena goes up so does the stuff on the market. Now anything under R grade that I invested in before GoD was completely worthless thanks to free gear in the PtA.

I agree that the adena drop rate is yet another punishment to the masses for bots. The bots will slowly kill this game. I'm willing to bet that your gear will be sold in the cash shop to kill the in game value.

And don't forget about the super OEd Gear the some ppl had access which are now unnatainable since the destruction scrolls can't be created through the game anymore.
In fact looking from this PoV things are getting pretty ugly.

And don't forget about the super OEd Gear the some ppl had access which are now unnatainable since the destruction scrolls can't be created through the game anymore.
In fact looking from this PoV things are getting pretty ugly.

You can over enchant still..just with a lot of luck and adena. It's how it was done before GoD

You can over enchant still..just with a lot of luck and adena. It's how it was done before GoD

Yeah but the point is... The damage caused by the destruction scrolls is already done. Unless new and better gear comes up to "cover" that, but that's highly unlikely considering the levels requirements, pvp options and all that...

Yeah but the point is... The damage caused by the destruction scrolls is already done. Unless new and better gear comes up to "cover" that, but that's highly unlikely considering the levels requirements, pvp options and all that...

It can still be accomplished, the possibility is still there to do it with blessed scrolls. A lot of luck involved.

I am just wondering what has/is gonna happen to our economy; I have played L2 on/off since Open Beta and whilst I preferred the old chronicles economy... the recent changes are quiet drastic.

Let me explain, in previous recent chronicles before GoD people were working in 100 of millions, rather than Billions as they do now; This was partially due to the fact that a lot of people were at the level cap and gear was being farmed regularly in MoS/Frint/Freya/LoA... there were those few who were making a big killing by farming kariks (flooding the market with wind stones); but on a whole the market was fairly stable... Epic prices had remained fairly static with the exception of Anthy/Valakas (due to them being too hard to farm).

When GoD came out and especially with the introduction of more instances/unidentified armors people started working in the billions, mainly cause items were fairly easily obtainable. Not to mention the fact that MoS/LoA/Hellbound/Stakato was full of bot trains and unlike exping/farming in new content zones; these areas items were being npced/crushed and giving the farmers direct $$$.

For example, people running one group in LoA could make on average 1-1.5bil adena a day in hard cash after npcing it. Due to the fact that so much money was available it pushed the rl value of adena down and many people were buying it from said farmers, thus increasing the price of R95/R99 items and epics especially (e.g AQ is 4bil on Shilen). Now people exping in new areas were making as much as 1-1.5bil a day, but their items were affected by supply & demand unlike the pre-GoD areas. Now I admit for a while I thought this was a broken system, but when you look at the prices to port around/second augment a r99 weapon (7-8bil) it seemed fairly logical that adena could be farmed this easily.

Now in Lindivor this has changed drastically, all areas do not produce a fraction of the money that they did before and whilst I think this is good and will improve the value of crafting the big problem is that they have not adjusted the money sinks accordingly. For example, enchanting skills/augmenting/SAing costs billions (these are prices that are unaffected by economic changes)... hell soon even buying a weapon will become impossible for the average player and frankly drive away new players cause they cannot even begin to compete with pre-lindivor players who have gotten this stuff rather easily in comparison.

You wont notice this immediately as there is quiet a lot of adena on the market and in peoples pockets, but the prices will rise for a brief period then crash horribly. Good if you plan on saving your money, bad if you are trying to earn money in any legitimate format. (+ this wont affect adena farmers in the long run, itll just mean they sell less adena for higher prices).

I dont read any of the new content stuff, but has any of this been adjusted in the upcoming changes in korea? Discuss... :confused:

the l2 goal is THE GRIND SYSTEM DUDE.

it made to be HARD, if u dont have the ballz, u can try http://www.hellokittyonline.com/

we, the old ppl curse it on forum everyday, our top weapon was close to 4b before the trully joke, if u had 4b in that time to spend in a single weapon, u was the top dog, u earn that adena, u worked for it. the trully joke just let the kids play for some time, the time that our top weapons reach 40b, 60b, thats no good for a hard/grind game, any john doe could have whatever he wants.

GZ TO NEW ADENA DROP RATE, I HOPE THIS GAME, BECOME A MAN´S GAME AGAIN.

ps: i had in my toon before trully free, +4 vorpal 120, +5vesper bow SA300, +3vesper dagger SA300, AQ+BAIUM+ZAKEN+TEZZA, pvp-defense belt Sgrade, ALL THIS THINGS WAS 5,4B AT THAT TIME, and i gaive my blood to get this.

the l2 goal is THE GRIND SYSTEM DUDE.

it made to be HARD, if u dont have the ballz, u can try http://www.hellokittyonline.com/

we, the old ppl curse it on forum everyday, our top weapon was close to 4b before the trully joke, if u had 4b in that time to spend in a single weapon, u was the top dog, u earn that adena, u worked for it. the trully joke just let the kids play for some time, the time that our top weapons reach 40b, 60b, thats no good for a hard/grind game, any john doe could have whatever he wants.

GZ TO NEW ADENA DROP RATE, I HOPE THIS GAME, BECOME A MAN´S GAME AGAIN.

ps: i had in my toon before trully free, +4 vorpal 120, +5vesper bow SA300, +3vesper dagger SA300, AQ+BAIUM+ZAKEN+TEZZA, pvp-defense belt Sgrade, ALL THIS THINGS WAS 5,4B AT THAT TIME, and i gaive my blood to get this.

You are seriously missing the point...

My character is very well geared atm (only thing I miss is blessed valakas/anthy/tauti ring) and back before GoD I had way better gear than what you linked...

BUUUT back then there wasnt as big adena sinks compared to now... the simple fact is to get a double SA you need 7bil hard adena (not affected by economy as that is npc price)... how do you farm that if you mobs in top areas drop 5k max :D

munchie why dont u say : "Ncsoft plz you guys are screwing my life" ... these rates are indeed screwing your business ahahaha low drop = higher price on RMT poor munchie

Not only is adena harder to come by but gear is also now a lot harder to come by. For example if I had spend as much time leveling in Harnaks yesterday Pre-Lindvior as I did yesterday I would have come away with 2 full sets of Immortal jewelry, however post-Lindvior all I got to show for my trouble was a single 60% immortal ring recipie, a couple of leathers and some immortal ring parts and barely a handful of adena. That isn't enough to actually craft a single immortal ring. Saying that well at least I'll be able to make a nonbound immortal ring does me no good when what I needed was the jewelry itself and not a little extra cash, especially when the market prices are now based on standard and not bound items. So being able to sell a standard ring in this market doesn't give me any more spending power than I would have had if I had picked up an unidentified immortal ring previously. And since I am picking up much less gold the actual value of all the drops and adena I picked up was much less than I would have come away with after the same period in pre-Lindvior Harnaks.

Those who already leveled a toon to 99 greatly benefitted from the bound gear drops which let them easily equip their characters in the top level gear almost right out the gate (because both gear and adena were readily available). This also allowed those players to OE their gear without much worry because that gear was more easily replaceable if it broke. To carry this further, R enchants were easier to obtain because the enchant scrolls cost less mentee's marks.

Those of up who are now leveling up are in a much worse position because of this change whereas those who already leveled are only going to be effected in so far as they aren't going to be able to keep trying to create OE as much as before. And because of other changes such as the ability to now produce amulets with 0% critical fail rates, the real income of those of us who are just now getting out of R grade and looking to try getting into R-95 grade has been drastically curtailed.

munchie why dont u say : "Ncsoft plz you guys are screwing my life" ... these rates are indeed screwing your business ahahaha low drop = higher price on RMT poor munchie
The classic "you make a good point so you must be a bot" argument. He has a good point... there are HUGE adena sinks... Adena is easily farmed then NC changes it and now you can't make adena anymore as a legit. Therefor the adena sinks should be reduced. The adena sinks are the main reason for RMT/bots atm.

Anyways when GoD went live (before bots appeared) a 2-3 hour harnaks group with one rogue could yield 6m adena per person (spoil rates then were great) plus all full drops which were selling for a high price but even the 6m was good. Now if you were to try that now you would lose adena on shots. This is obviously broken. Unless you are a rogue not using shots then every outing is a losing endeavor.

he made a good point but he is a bot lol he sells adena in shillen there were screenshots about it too so im happy he got crap now i may sound selfish and stupid but ... the games are made to be played not to work on them

he made a good point but he is a bot lol he sells adena in shillen there were screenshots about it too so im happy he got crap now i may sound selfish and stupid but ... the games are made to be played not to work on them
Then I do find that rather funny :p

When GoD came out and especially with the introduction of more instances/unidentified armors people started working in the billions, mainly cause items were fairly easily obtainable. Not to mention the fact that MoS/LoA/Hellbound/Stakato was full of bot trains and unlike exping/farming in new content zones; these areas items were being npced/crushed and giving the farmers direct $$$.

Yeah, monsters in Garden of Genessis and LoA don't drop as many adena as they did before *wink* *wink*.

he made a good point but he is a bot lol he sells adena in shillen there were screenshots about it too so im happy he got crap now i may sound selfish and stupid but ... the games are made to be played not to work on them

Yes, this is actually true.
That silly goose should have kept his *hard-worked* adena for the dual SA's! But people need their rice at lunch or else they won't be able to press the "Play" button on their "Lineage II - The Movie: Lay back and watch your pvp number rise".

Anyway the bot trains and their CEO-RMT masters started the rise of adena, ending in "bidding" more and more on the top weapons (Dual R95 Soul crystals from broker, blessed weapons from broker, legendary dyes from the broker <<if you think any of them buys "bound" gear from AH, think again>>, and thus the rise of the prices. The crystal market is held by the bots too (the naked adventurers farming in SoA 24/7).

I have never heard anyone complaining about that. Hmmm, why the sudden outburst of complaints? I also find it funny you knowing how much adena / day can a LoA bot-train make.

As HolyOx said, Lineage 2 was always about grind, hard working and sweating towards your end game gear. There are more updates coming with even more expensive stuff to keep the players busy.


For the sake of it, let's see how would a normal player get affected by the new changes:
Lv.85 char that just awakened (can buy his armor from the mentor guide)
- Every Teredor run has a full drop of immortal chest/pants pieces
- The other pieces drop regularly on trains in SoA (been for 15 minutes in soa with 2 people and had 2 full armor drops and enough to craft 2 more).
- Crafting pieces drop in SoA/Harnak (and I'm sure even more with a spoiler).

I wonder how did everyone get his gear at the beginning of the server? I bet prices were 10 times higher for Immortal gear as they are now.
Reaching lvl 88:
- Armor/Weapon key materials drop in Arcan's Fairies zone
- You still have Fortuna/PoD/Kartia for full weapon/armor drops

And I could go on.

Also, the top Boss jewels and regarding every purchasable worth-wile item. If the bot-masters wouldn't be able to pay tens of billions in the first place, the prices will drop. You just have to wait a while.

In the end what I can add is that this change gives the real players a helping hand (by offering them a full choice on their advancement: craft/drops/buying gear), and a chance to make more money (by re-cycling their gear) and not be a slave of RMT and bot-trainers (there won't be enough adena to sell for real money and bot-trainers won't afford to pay tenfold sums of adena over the normal players ;) ).

But again, maybe this isn't the game for you, Mr. "I-played-this-game-for-12-years-and-what-is-this".
I never lacked anything in the game. If you run out of adena and are in dire need there are so many ways to make it out... You just gotta look around a bit and read the patch notes once in a while.

P.S.:
How Ironic!
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/964/65309038.png

L.E.: This is not a "Peevepee-server" where you get all your top items and wait on auto-target in spawn for your CW to appear... But again, maybe I'm the clueless one.

Yeah, monsters in Garden of Genessis and LoA don't drop as many adena as they did before *wink* *wink*.



Yes, this is actually true.
That silly goose should have kept his *hard-worked* adena for the dual SA's! But people need their rice at lunch or else they won't be able to press the "Play" button on their "Lineage II - The Movie: Lay back and watch your pvp number rise".

Anyway the bot trains and their CEO-RMT masters started the rise of adena, ending in "bidding" more and more on the top weapons (Dual R95 Soul crystals from broker, blessed weapons from broker, legendary dyes from the broker <<if you think any of them buys "bound" gear from AH, think again>>, and thus the rise of the prices. The crystal market is held by the bots too (the naked adventurers farming in SoA 24/7).

I have never heard anyone complaining about that. Hmmm, why the sudden outburst of complaints? I also find it funny you knowing how much adena / day can a LoA bot-train make.

As HolyOx said, Lineage 2 was always about grind, hard working and sweating towards your end game gear. There are more updates coming with even more expensive stuff to keep the players busy.


For the sake of it, let's see how would a normal player get affected by the new changes:
Lv.85 char that just awakened (can buy his armor from the mentor guide)
- Every Teredor run has a full drop of immortal chest/pants pieces
- The other pieces drop regularly on trains in SoA (been for 15 minutes in soa with 2 people and had 2 full armor drops and enough to craft 2 more).
- Crafting pieces drop in SoA/Harnak (and I'm sure even more with a spoiler).

I wonder how did everyone get his gear at the beginning of the server? I bet prices were 10 times higher for Immortal gear as they are now.
Reaching lvl 88:
- Armor/Weapon key materials drop in Arcan's Fairies zone
- You still have Fortuna/PoD/Kartia for full weapon/armor drops

And I could go on.

Also, the top Boss jewels and regarding every purchasable worth-wile item. If the bot-masters wouldn't be able to pay tens of billions in the first place, the prices will drop. You just have to wait a while.

In the end what I can add is that this change gives the real players a helping hand (by offering them a full choice on their advancement: craft/drops/buying gear), and a chance to make more money (by re-cycling their gear) and not be a slave of RMT and bot-trainers (there won't be enough adena to sell for real money and bot-trainers won't afford to pay tenfold sums of adena over the normal players ;) ).

But again, maybe this isn't the game for you, Mr. "I-played-this-game-for-12-years-and-what-is-this".
I never lacked anything in the game. If you run out of adena and are in dire need there are so many ways to make it out... You just gotta look around a bit and read the patch notes once in a while.

P.S.:
How Ironic!
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/964/65309038.png

L.E.: This is not a "Peevepee-server" where you get all your top items and wait on auto-target in spawn for your CW to appear... But again, maybe I'm the clueless one.

God you are delusional.... RMT exists cause people like you buy adena.

This does not effect bot owners at all, prehaps in the short term... but in 1 month time all that will change is that they will be selling 300mil for the same price they were selling 1bil before. Furthermore, you still miss the whole point of my post.

Pre Lindivor you could farm a weapon in orbis raid, you could sell it for 2bil... that 2bil could go towards buying 2nd SA on your r95 weapon (which is a npc regulated price)
Post Lindivor you can farm a weapon in orbis raid, you can sell it for 300mil... but you canno afford to buy a 2nd SA on your r95 weapon cause it still requires 2bil!

Thus whilst the amount of adena has dropped the amount of adena required to port round via dimensional gk has gone up to 150k (from 100k) and all npc SA (you dont wanna even see cost to put pvp/pve on a weapon or armor) or skill enchanting adena costs has not changed.

P.S. Waffle is a tank that bsoes from a dagger :|

God you are delusional.... RMT exists cause people like you buy adena.

This does not effect bot owners at all, prehaps in the short term... but in 1 month time all that will change is that they will be selling 300mil for the same price they were selling 1bil before. Furthermore, you still miss the whole point of my post.

Pre Lindivor you could farm a weapon in orbis raid, you could sell it for 2bil... that 2bil could go towards buying 2nd SA on your r95 weapon (which is a npc regulated price)
Post Lindivor you can farm a weapon in orbis raid, you can sell it for 300mil... but you canno afford to buy a 2nd SA on your r95 weapon cause it still requires 2bil!

Thus whilst the amount of adena has dropped the amount of adena required to port round via dimensional gk has gone up to 150k (from 100k) and all npc SA (you dont wanna even see cost to put pvp/pve on a weapon or armor) or skill enchanting adena costs has not changed.

P.S. Waffle is a tank that bsoes from a dagger :|

You are wrong wrong wrong.

1. This affects bot owners, as proof you "QQ"ed about it here.
2. They could even sell 1 adena for the price of 1 billion I wouldn't care.
3. I can't buy adena because I don't own a PayPal account or a credit card, because privacy reasons (I don't even have a facebook account).
4. You are totaly clueless. R95 Dual SA soul crystals prices are managed by players and players only. If not you'd buy it for 100k adena.
5. Nobody would sell a specter weapon for 300 M adena. They'd rather crystalize it for Elcyum crystals.
6. Dimensional GK always took 150k adena to port around. Clueless again.
7. Skill enchanting costs were never that high. With 200kk you can make 5 skills +6-7 very easy. Also those prices on pvp armor are there for a reason. Reason that I stated in my previous post.

Off topic:"waffle is a tank who bsoe from daggers". I do when they are 4 levels higher than me and jump me when I'm at half hp with 20 mobs on me, and doesn't even deny using a 3rd party radar tool ;D This is not a pvp server. If you want to have a chance at killing me, try mass pvp or at least be decent. 2nd option will never apply to you.
At least I have the decenecy to switch to my lv 88 dual when I enter reptilkon and not bring a 99 full pt with me for 1 guy : D


I'll qut posting in this thread here, this will only result in more flaming.

You are wrong wrong wrong.

1. This affects bot owners, as proof you "QQ"ed about it here.
2. They could even sell 1 adena for the price of 1 billion I wouldn't care.
3. I can't buy adena because I don't own a PayPal account or a credit card, because privacy reasons (I don't even have a facebook account).
4. You are totaly clueless. R95 Dual SA soul crystals prices are managed by players and players only. If not you'd buy it for 100k adena.
5. Nobody would sell a specter weapon for 300 M adena. They'd rather crystalize it for Elcyum crystals.
6. Dimensional GK always took 150k adena to port around. Clueless again.
7. Skill enchanting costs were never that high. With 200kk you can make 5 skills +6-7 very easy. Also those prices on pvp armor are there for a reason. Reason that I stated in my previous post.


1. Where am I QQing I have all end game stuff how does this effect me?
2. Again you fail to grasp the point or even understand simple supply & demand
3. Do you wear a tin foil hat too? So the government wont be able to read your thoughts?
4. Yes cause when you go to double SA a weapon... the SA crystals is the expensive part? Do you realise you need 2bil worth of R Gems... wait you wouldnt know cause you brought adena and got your item straight out )
5. Again you cant even understand a simple example... clueless kid, so what they crystalise and? the elysium crystal wont sell for billions, if there aint billions on the market
7. Goodluck enchanting all your skills +10, as you failed to grasp a single word I said

P.S. Bsoe more scrub :D

is it just me or does no1 know that this munchietard ran avg of 80% of LoA trains on Shilen and RMT the heck of it alongside of the other vietnamese dudes and comes here in order to cry about why he soon has to look for a real life job in order to get something to eat?

I agree that the adena drop rate is yet another punishment to the masses for bots. The bots will slowly kill this game.


Oh no.

This was what we were saying BEFORE f2p and L2 store.

Now,its the L2 store players game.Goal of company seems to be elliminate anything an account can get from ingame playing,to raise the L2 store sales.Either their team is living in their own planet and cant see their actions make players quit,either they are leaving us and try get the last cash.

Oh no.

This was what we were saying BEFORE f2p and L2 store.

Now,its the L2 store players game.Goal of company seems to be elliminate anything an account can get from ingame playing,to raise the L2 store sales.Either their team is living in their own planet and cant see their actions make players quit,either they are leaving us and try get the last cash.

Well the store is their source of income, if the store doesn't generate money the servers close. I honestly understand the push for sales there. I'd be willing to pay for a subscription if it meant better policing and perks.

You are wrong wrong wrong.

1. This affects bot owners, as proof you "QQ"ed about it here.
2. They could even sell 1 adena for the price of 1 billion I wouldn't care.
3. I can't buy adena because I don't own a PayPal account or a credit card, because privacy reasons (I don't even have a facebook account).
4. You are totaly clueless. R95 Dual SA soul crystals prices are managed by players and players only. If not you'd buy it for 100k adena.
5. Nobody would sell a specter weapon for 300 M adena. They'd rather crystalize it for Elcyum crystals.
6. Dimensional GK always took 150k adena to port around. Clueless again.
7. Skill enchanting costs were never that high. With 200kk you can make 5 skills +6-7 very easy. Also those prices on pvp armor are there for a reason. Reason that I stated in my previous post.

Off topic:"waffle is a tank who bsoe from daggers". I do when they are 4 levels higher than me and jump me when I'm at half hp with 20 mobs on me, and doesn't even deny using a 3rd party radar tool ;D This is not a pvp server. If you want to have a chance at killing me, try mass pvp or at least be decent. 2nd option will never apply to you.
At least I have the decenecy to switch to my lv 88 dual when I enter reptilkon and not bring a 99 full pt with me for 1 guy : D


I'll qut posting in this thread here, this will only result in more flaming.
1:plausible proposal.
4: /facepalm.... really? The SA crystal has nothing to do with it... 2 SA on R99 costs ~6b in R gems from an NPC. Same goes for putting a pve or pvp stone on a weapon or armor etc. This change actually will lower the amount of adena available to legits meaning it will be harder to get the adena for these adena sinks.
7. It costs BILLIONS up BILLIONS to OE skills... +5-7 just isn't good enough sorry. 4 - +6 skills will generally cost about 500m anyways so figure in all the skills that need oe'd then quadruple or even moreso the price and you will see what skill oe really costs.

Well the store is their source of income, if the store doesn't generate money the servers close. I honestly understand the push for sales there. I'd be willing to pay for a subscription if it meant better policing and perks.
Same... =\

You are wrong wrong wrong.

1. This affects bot owners, as proof you "QQ"ed about it here.
2. They could even sell 1 adena for the price of 1 billion I wouldn't care.
3. I can't buy adena because I don't own a PayPal account or a credit card, because privacy reasons (I don't even have a facebook account).
4. You are totaly clueless. R95 Dual SA soul crystals prices are managed by players and players only. If not you'd buy it for 100k adena.
5. Nobody would sell a specter weapon for 300 M adena. They'd rather crystalize it for Elcyum crystals.
6. Dimensional GK always took 150k adena to port around. Clueless again.
7. Skill enchanting costs were never that high. With 200kk you can make 5 skills +6-7 very easy. Also those prices on pvp armor are there for a reason. Reason that I stated in my previous post.


No, actually he is not wrong, you are. Whether or not the guy is an adena farmer (I don't really care either way), the points he is trying to make are totally valid. Most of these changes won't affect people like me that are 99/99 and have our armor/wep/jewels/skill OE done, but the rest of you are going to feel it. As to some of your specific arguments:

1) Farmers will still do just fine; they will adjust the price they sell adena for and it ends up basically the same amount of money they made prior, perhaps just a bit less in the long run depending on competition. You won't see the real impact of this until the many money sinks in game eat most of the adena currently on the servers.

4) As some have pointed out, it doesn't matter what an SA crystal sells for, what matters is that the NPC will still charge you ~6bil in materials to add a second SA to a weapon. Good luck farming that much.

5) People will sell gear for much cheaper, but again you won't be able to afford the NPC upgrades for it.

7) Skill OE to +5 is not where the cost is. Try getting your skills to +10 and then check back in with us. Between my main and my sub I have spent in excess of 20bil adena skill enchanting. Again, good luck farming that adena now.

Now, I think they should have nerfed the old hunting spots like LOA and GC, but you guys that have not reached end game before this update are going to have a tough time competing with those of us that have due to the adena sinks. So keep attacking the OP, but he'll be OK either way, it's guys like you that are screwed.

No, actually he is not wrong, you are. Whether or not the guy is an adena farmer (I don't really care either way), the points he is trying to make are totally valid. Most of these changes won't affect people like me that are 99/99 and have our armor/wep/jewels/skill OE done, but the rest of you are going to feel it. As to some of your specific arguments:

1) Farmers will still do just fine; they will adjust the price they sell adena for and it ends up basically the same amount of money they made prior, perhaps just a bit less in the long run depending on competition. You won't see the real impact of this until the many money sinks in game eat most of the adena currently on the servers.

4) As some have pointed out, it doesn't matter what an SA crystal sells for, what matters is that the NPC will still charge you ~6bil in materials to add a second SA to a weapon. Good luck farming that much.

5) People will sell gear for much cheaper, but again you won't be able to afford the NPC upgrades for it.

7) Skill OE to +5 is not where the cost is. Try getting your skills to +10 and then check back in with us. Between my main and my sub I have spent in excess of 20bil adena skill enchanting. Again, good luck farming that adena now.

Now, I think they should have nerfed the old hunting spots like LOA and GC, but you guys that have not reached end game before this update are going to have a tough time competing with those of us that have due to the adena sinks. So keep attacking the OP, but he'll be OK either way, it's guys like you that are screwed.

i really dont care.

i really dont care.
We don't care that you don't care since your opinion doesn't matter anyways. Like Retri said no matter who the OP is and no matter what his intentions were with this post, his points were valid.

We don't care that you don't care since your opinion doesn't matter anyways. Like Retri said no matter who the OP is and no matter what his intentions were with this post, his points were valid.

i can tell that ur opinion doesnt matter either *-*

Average players can still sell their items to "ebayers" buying whatever they need with their credit cards because they have no interest in the economy part of the game.

Even before Lindvior, watching clanmates getting r99 unid weapon drops and selling them for 5b compared to my unid Seraph Sigil drops in Fortuna.

It's always uphill, and those who get to the top first have a real advantage.

Same L2. It's always something. Munchie can't burn adena on NPC fees, but his trains don't get banned. QQ

New players can't afford anything until they get that big break and sell a lucky drop to some ebayer who doesn't care about the price. QQ

I watched a clanmate sell +0 Blessed Seraph Leather Leggings for 1 bil. Someone bought that. And if adena gets really hard to come by, watch for dozens of scammer shops. Yay!

raid antharas - half the people who did it today in my ally got seraph drops