Everything is fine on this new update, but what about the economy? what about drops? where is the plan on buying items for less amount of adenas and sell for even more?
Now there will be more BOTS because you give them the TASTE!
I am legit player that didn't used 3rd party software or bought XP boost to reach 99 and all subclasses to 80/dual 92 and I'm proud of my self because I did it all with my own HANDS.
I've spent a lot of time to do that, was playing front side of the computer whole day and i'm not going to spend a lot of time again just to get money.
I will give you an advice, we know that you wouldn't ban the bots since they buy ncoin or something, but guess what? You aren't doing a good job by doing that, you lost already many legit players that spent his dollars on a game that is f u c k e d up already.
It's even hard to do instances, since everyone is botting everywhere.
1) Some instances are still giving things. Go to the good one :)
2) Don't go in instance anymore
Everything is fine on this new update, but what about the economy? what about drops? where is the plan on buying items for less amount of adenas and sell for even more?
My plan to buy for less and sell for more still works, go to Aden and sell to my dwarf go go :D
Now there will be more BOTS because you give them the TASTE!
Not really
I am legit player that didn't used 3rd party software or bought XP boost to reach 99 and all subclasses to 80/dual 92 and I'm proud of my self because I did it all with my own HANDS.
Nice, congrats. Link to the main topic ?
I've spent a lot of time to do that, was playing front side of the computer whole day and i'm not going to spend a lot of time again just to get money.
Cool story again. If you don't want to spend time and involve yourself in a game, why do you deserve to get something ?
I will give you an advice, we know that you wouldn't ban the bots since they buy ncoin or something, but guess what? You aren't doing a good job by doing that, you lost already many legit players that spent his dollars on a game that is f u c k e d up already.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. I am really happy to read yours today
It's even hard to do instances, since everyone is botting everywhere.
I don't see the point. When you are in an instance zone, there is only your group. Do you mean it's harder for you to kill the instances ?
Do something before you f u c k the game.
I am personally very happy with Lindvior update
Everything is fine on this new update, but what about the economy? what about drops? where is the plan on buying items for less amount of adenas and sell for even more?
Now there will be more BOTS because you give them the TASTE!
I am legit player that didn't used 3rd party software or bought XP boost to reach 99 and all subclasses to 80/dual 92 and I'm proud of my self because I did it all with my own HANDS.
I've spent a lot of time to do that, was playing front side of the computer whole day and i'm not going to spend a lot of time again just to get money.
I will give you an advice, we know that you wouldn't ban the bots since they buy ncoin or something, but guess what? You aren't doing a good job by doing that, you lost already many legit players that spent his dollars on a game that is f u c k e d up already.
It's even hard to do instances, since everyone is botting everywhere.
Do something before you f u c k the game.
I will tell you something that maybe you don't know :)
Economy in L2 has been for long time mat and craft, and this is now back like before.
You want make adena,sell mat droped or craft with mat droped that all.
I remember when it was *** to get something and trying to craft a A/S-grade armor and it was awfull,specialy for me who failed many craft lol.
Sell new mat now,their price are hight to sell,it wont last for long time.
Dev did that to bring back to how L2 economy is suposed to be
You are pretty annoying Laby. There was a time when I valued your posts but you have degraded to not much more than a random forum troll these days...
+1 for that, I am deadly annoyed those days by random posts. Guess I should take a break from forum and stop posting. I still try to put some helpful info in my post, I guess there is too much sarcasm on the top of it :D
So time for decrypt :
1) Get 1 or 2 friends and farm Zaken, you can make a nice money income this way, enough to xp without worrying about shots / consumables
2) Don't forget to go to Antharas Expedition instance twice a month, it's easy money since it's give standard stuff now
3) You may want to level a spoiler and spoil mats. I spent 1h yesterday spoiling in Harnak on Bots party, got 10m like that without spending any shot
4) Play the market, especially during updates. There are tons of new items, you can easily buy cheap and sell for me
5) Get noble and do your 10 oly matches weekly x3, and get money for that.
You won't get rich in 5 minutes, you won't get full stuff in one week. Time, dedication and you will get it. And please stop complaining about everything,if you are looking for help, ask for it directly. If you want to complaint, post it to the support : https://lineage2.custhelp.com/
+1 for that, I am deadly annoyed those days by random posts. Guess I should take a break from forum and stop posting. I still try to put some helpful info in my post, I guess there is too much sarcasm on the top of it :D
So time for decrypt :
1) Get 1 or 2 friends and farm Zaken, you can make a nice money income this way, enough to xp without worrying about shots / consumables
2) Don't forget to go to Antharas Expedition instance twice a month, it's easy money since it's give standard stuff now
3) You may want to level a spoiler and spoil mats. I spent 1h yesterday spoiling in Harnak on Bots party, got 10m like that without spending any shot
4) Play the market, especially during updates. There are tons of new items, you can easily buy cheap and sell for me
5) Get noble and do your 10 oly matches weekly x3, and get money for that.
You won't get rich in 5 minutes, you won't get full stuff in one week. Time, dedication and you will get it. And please stop complaining about everything,if you are looking for help, ask for it directly. If you want to complaint, post it to the support : https://lineage2.custhelp.com/
Gabox, there is one part that I don't agree with here, but let's put that away.
I have to completely agree with all the stuff you said. Basically I got no problem cos I got all the items I need, and more adena than most ppl, but this is really strange. How come the game was flooded with uni items just up until a week ago, and now poof, all you get from those instances is powder.
And what about the epics? Did Istina twice now, and it dropped only 1 unbind scroll.
Octavis was dropping one uni wpn each run, now a rumour has it that he drops full items.Okay, but when?
Basically what I'm trying to say is that the change was too drastic.As an idea it's a good thing, but in practice it only ***s up the players. Even worse for those who will hit 95 just now, cos the prices sky rocketed already.
@Laby
You're a true spammer and master of the nonsense posts.
And what about the epics? Did Istina twice now, and it dropped only 1 unbind scroll.
Octavis was dropping one uni wpn each run, now a rumour has it that he drops full items.Okay, but when?
Octavis and Istina are mainly for Xp as far as I see them. You can see their updated drop list there :
I'm actually the spammer here.. since I have nothing better to do IG atm.
About money.. yeah it's harder, but it's not impossible. True that are no drops in Fortuna/Kartias/****, etc.. but at least you get xp and sometimes those Elcyum thingies.. that sell on the AH for an interesting price.
H3, SoA are soloable for me atm.. ok, SoA with extreme caution, so that's another way of making money. Find spots for you. :P
Personally I don't feel huge hit as hunting in xroads provides sufficient adena and drops but for new players I would suggest doing;
Zaken(dunno if they have nerfed him as well)
LOA daily(gives you atr stones/crystals/ews and vorpal armors) however you need cc to get quest item and every cc member gets it.
SOA daily for atr stone crystal
Spoil? Dunno how it was changed, but I assume it couldn't get worse of what it was.
And what about the epics? Did Istina twice now, and it dropped only 1 unbind scroll.
Octavis was dropping one uni wpn each run, now a rumour has it that he drops full items.Okay, but when?
epic oct dropped specter shooter... standard... lulz
Everyone plays the game for different reasons. Some play for PvE fun with friends, some play for the raids, some play for the market, and most like myself play for PvP and a mixture of all these game elements.
These people who say do SoA daily, Swamp daily, level a spoiler etc etc........ that shiit is chicken fowder compared to what you need to be a DECENT, not top, but DECENTLY geared PvPer 95+, and at 99.... forget about it.
For PvE, you can get away with 60 elements on armour and now 0 element on a weapon. Some classes like tank if they element their armour correctly can as well. This goes for all elements of PvE.
However, atleast on Chronos, you need much much more. To lay this out in basic terms, when I hit 99 I will have no where near, not even close to the amount of adena I will need to get my toon set up with even the essentials to pvp with the current market, and farming capabilities. To get skills +5, 99 bow dual SAed, eternal set fully elemented, and not too mention pvping armor and weapon, it will take roughly 10-13 bill. Since this update I have done a slew of 95+ raids, instances, xping for roughly 8 hrs in HF.... I have not made more then 30m....
I also play the market which is how I have made most my adena in the past, as well as farming events, however events are pay to participate now so thats gone....
You can cry old school BS all day. Still doesnt change the fact that economy is screwed. Thats like saying racism is no longer out there in the USA because we abolished slavery.... makes no sense.
We back in to the past.
Just go and craft.
People don't play C6~Hellbound~Gracia or forget how to craft.
Just spoil parts + recipes and craft, like past chronicles.
To craft my dinasty set I run 60~100 times hall of suffelring and all party give me the orichalkuns and orihurakons... old fun, hardcore and good times.
Well... at least the current craft system is 50% more easy than old craft system.
Wait low adena stock in RMT hands and market prices will be lower.
We back in to the past.
Just go and craft.
People don't play C6~Hellbound~Gracia or forget how to craft.
Just spoil parts + recipes and craft, like past chronicles.
To craft my dinasty set I run 60~100 times hall of suffelring and all party give me the orichalkuns and orihurakons... old fun, hardcore and good times.
Well... at least the current craft system is 50% more easy than old craft system.
Wait low adena stock in RMT hands and market prices will be lower.
Crafting was ****** up even prior to GoD. Or did you not see the ridiculous quatity of materials needed to craft any A grade or higher recipie? Those quantities of materials were simply impossible to acquire based only on the drops you got while hunting. And that means the crafting system was a major failure back then. Could you have gotten enough drops by manoring? Yes but you shouldn't have had to. The very fact that manoring existed and actually allowed someone to actually get the equivalent of 1 or 2 material drops per kill when if they had killed the mobs without manoring they would have gotten nothing only showed how ****** up the game was and how completely the game designers failed at designing basically everything.
And you are forgetting that in fact, during C1ish (or maybe it was C2), full B grade equipment(which was the top grade at the time) was dropping frequently in ToI. And by frequently I mean one or two pieces of B grade per farming session. And then NC soft nerfed the **** out of every drop rate because the Koreans complained that they weren't getting paid enough for the drops they got (apparently they idiotically thought that they themselves would still be getting the same drop rate but no one else would and so they'd be making a ton of money selling their drops). Koreans then did the exact same thing again with Lindvior. Both systems screwed the game up, but this time the game is even more screwed up because you don't have a ton of raidbosses scattered all over the map that will frequently drop B, A or S grade gear.
I would further say that spoiling isn't really a legitimate means of acquiring mats when giving someone a suggestion about how to make money because only 1 out 7 classes is able to spoil. The rest of us are left with nothing which is completely unfair. And I shouldn't have to farm with 2 characters just to get the equivalent of drops I should and would have gotten on 1 character were spoiling to not exist and the drops to simply drop from mobs without needing to be "spoiled".
I would further say that spoiling isn't really a legitimate means of acquiring mats when giving someone a suggestion about how to make money because only 1 out 7 classes is able to spoil. The rest of us are left with nothing which is completely unfair. And I shouldn't have to farm with 2 characters just to get the equivalent of drops I should and would have gotten on 1 character were spoiling to not exist and the drops to simply drop from mobs without needing to be "spoiled".
"Random including spoil", anyone?
You all had to beg for the old days didn't you, there you bloody go!
NCsoft has acomplished in permanently locking away any possible competition from new players.
Welcome to L2!
This change would have actually been good if GoD was released with the current craft/drop system. Would have actually been fun and everyone would have been on equal grounds. Now people (like me) have +10 or higher weapons and at least +6 r99 sets. Anyone new is far far behind the curve ball that they will most likely give up. There may only be a small handful of returning/new players now, but they are still essential to the game progress.
We back in to the past.
Just go and craft.
People don't play C6~Hellbound~Gracia or forget how to craft.
Just spoil parts + recipes and craft, like past chronicles.
To craft my dinasty set I run 60~100 times hall of suffelring and all party give me the orichalkuns and orihurakons... old fun, hardcore and good times.
Well... at least the current craft system is 50% more easy than old craft system.
Wait low adena stock in RMT hands and market prices will be lower.
I played well before Interlude.
You're still spewing BS.
When Dynasty was released it was no different than it is RIGHT NOW - possibly worse. Normal players could not gear up decently for PvP because all the top end players had Holy, Earth, Dark, and Wind weapons (except nukers who used Water/Fire which dropped outside of HB at a decent rate until it was nerfed into the ground) and without decent resist they did incredible damage. This was before 150 Attribute bonus was basically halves, and when they introduced Attribute Crystals (also ridiculously expensive) without decent attribute you were 2-3 shots to any geared 79+ nuker and even 3-4 shots to a Necro with an elemented Arcana Mace (3k Nukes with Gloom on badly geared people)...
Wind/Earth and Dark/Holy Stones were 40-60M for months. I know up to about 6 months past HB release on Devianne Dark/Holy stones were 60M and on Bartz they were like 40M each. Getting an SA on an S Grade weapon was well over 200M and that is part of the reason why prior to Gracia when attribute was released a lot of players used to PvE and PvP in A Grade gear. The cost of gearing up didn't become a HUGE issue until NCSoft inserted the attribute system and higher armor grades, which basically forced people to upgrade their A grade gear to S grade (some of them having terrible set bonuses for some classes) and rush to level 08 for Dynasty which cost a ton - only to go through the gearing treadmill yet again.
That was also when both stones and crystals failed on armor and weapons at like a 50% rate, BTW.
Average players simply could not gear their toons up because it was too **** expensive, and the only spots in HB worth XPing in for the drops were perma camped so you either needed to be in a no-life PvE clan (and be the right class - nukers weren't welcomed there, for example) or a high end PvP class getting dragged by some imba group in towers and making a ton of adena there... All XP spots introduced from Gracia onwards expected you to have at least a 150 Attribute Weapon (this was with stones failing, no +150 Event/Mentee Stones, and incredible prices for some types of stones).
If you PvP'd or did Olympiad you also had to try to decent augmentations and farm good Talismans (Fortresses, etc.) (i.e. Nuke Augments for Summoners and Healers, UD/Celestial Augmentations and Talisman).
Gearing up to be PvP viable is just prohibitive which is kind of surprising given this is supposed to be PvP-oriented at end-game (I'm not saying uber, I'm saying average joe PvP geared) and even gearing up for PvE or simply upgrading your armor from grade to grade...
It has literally blown what we had back then out of the water because the gear is even more expensive and the standards to be useful in both ends of the game are higher than they were then... People can spew this crap about a 0 Attribute weapon is okay now cause classes got boosted, but it's still gimp compared to what the zone was balanced for and equivalent to taking a DD getting a sizeable dmg penalty on the MOBs in the group. No one *wants* to do that, however, the economic situation in game may force some to do it.
You're acting like this is fine simply because you (and I, and hundreds/thousands of others) dumped inordinate amounts of time gearing up in S80 in the HB/Gracia Final expansion. That's a pretty idiotic way to look at things.
Don't forget that when Dynasty was released, shots were not a money sink because mobs could drop enough adena, so a run for XP always finished in more money even after deducting the money spent in shots.
Now the rule of thumb of MMOs(the higher the level of the monster, the more money it drops) went to space. Now shots are a money sink if you try at least solo in fields.
This change would have actually been good if GoD was released with the current craft/drop system. Would have actually been fun and everyone would have been on equal grounds. Now people (like me) have +10 or higher weapons and at least +6 r99 sets. Anyone new is far far behind the curve ball that they will most likely give up. There may only be a small handful of returning/new players now, but they are still essential to the game progress.
(sorry for quoting you for my whole post)
That is very true, but I don't think half the idiots here understand what you mean by that and how it affects them.
Don't forget that when Dynasty was released, shots were not a money sink because mobs could drop enough adena, so a run for XP always finished in more money even after deducting the money spent in shots.
Now the rule of thumb of MMOs(the higher level of the monster, more money it drops) went to space. Now shots are a money sink if you try at least solo in fields.
That is because S-80 gear used S Grade shots. But I disagree. MOBs in solo areas were still a money sink. For example, Isle of Prayer was somewhat decent XP but the adena wasn't enough to sustain leveling especially on a mage class.
Difference is they had zone quests to deal with it. Valley of Saints had one. Forest of the Dead had one. When they introduced Primeval Isle revamp (as a solo area) it had one... This helped deal with the cash sink from using shots. There really is nothing comparable around Fairy Settlement, AoE/SL, SoS, etc. You have one daily quest and then you're done. If you grind in a solo area for 3 hours, you're not going to be making money. Back then you could chain run those quests and sell the rewards to a vendor or on the market and prevent that.
However, if you got decent droprate on fire/water stones you could.
But they nerfed those stone drops, around the time all the top end players were done making their toons imba. Also top enders put all their bot groups on Isle of Prayer so it was hard to find a spot to level there, anyways...
Shots are a bad mechanic anyways. In no other game do you need a reagent to perform balanced (what the mobs are balanced to assume based on how they are stat/HP/defense-balanced) damage on a MOB. People laugh at the idea of getting rid of shots, but really if you have played any other MMORPGs, even those like EQ back in the day which was very grindy... It simply makes no sense to have a reagent just to do balanced damage in PvE/PvP. Shots are not a huge money maker, either... Unless you think spending two months selling shots to buy a piece of Twilight Armor great economical decision making...
MOBS in IOP are weak, you can kill them easily with a few hits even without shots. very different from post awakening mobs. The adena IOP mobs drop worths the effort to kill them, but the adena that post awakening mobs drop doesn't worth the effort to kill them.
MOBS in IOP are weak, you can kill them easily with a few hits even without shots. very different from post awakening mobs. The adena IOP mobs drop worths the effort to kill them, but the adena that post awakening mobs drop doesn't worth the effort to kill them.
I'm talking about when IoP was released. When people had A and S grade weapons, not Dynasty. When many people didn't have 150 attribute which is what those MOBs were balanced for. You seem to be looking back at IoP from today's perspective. Things were different back then. IoP MOBs gave less XP than mobs at the back of FoTD, anyways, so not many people leveled there. The only decentn XP spot there was the entrance to Chromatic Highlands, and those MOBs were level 80 and if you weren't at least 78 you got a ton of failes and half-resists.
Back then you also needed to factor in mana consumption during leveling, because there wasn't a metric ton of Clarity like today, mage crit rates weren't as high as they were today, and mana pools were less than half of what they are today. Without a 78+ Prophecy buffer and recharges you were basically wasting your time leveling there, since you'd eventually get to a point where you were running off mana regen as mana pots didn't drop like flies there.
Right now one 85 Iss Enchanter is equivalent to an SE + PP + SWS + EE to a mage. Back then, few people except the truly hardcore (or botters) were boxing 3 high level buffers.