CC runs - greedy golems drop only recipes! yummm
Tuna - Drops only twilight gear! goody!
Epic spez - r99/r95 gear but nerfed drops!
epic istina - no blessed gear r95/r99
epic oct - no blessed gear r95/99
balok - ????
baylor - only r95
taut - ring will never drop :/ no blessed
they added dyes to epic raids but only 1 drop and their can be legendary or ancient so meh!
Mobs only dropping 1-3 different items not all mobs have a chance to drop any full items at all
so is this a problem or are people just too lazy? and want gear faster?
There's not much to do anymore, the only thing to do now is to wait if L2 will continue losing players as it has been doing in Korea.
But we will only be able to see it when NC soft releases the financial report of the second quarter, in july or august.
I'd like to know what goes through the DEVs head right now.
dev1: "k guys so it seems we screwed the game, some players have +16 weapons and +9 end sets and theyre bored and quiting, and other new players have no chance to fight back and are being farmed and harassed to no end by these hardcore players and they leave..and hardcore players become bored..mm"
dev2: " d00000d we should totaly make the game hard for everyone! make an ever-lasting experience, theyll be adicted 24/7 at the age of 30 cause none of them works OBVIOUSLY! we'll grab moooar money, and everyone will enjoy the old farm days!"
dev1: "oh dev2 but how should we nerf the game economicaly?"
dev2: " finaly u asked me that! GOSH i wanted to tell u how much fun im having with this ^.^! We decrease 1 grade of drops on every boss and monster and decrease their drop rate by 20 times! then we decrease mats drop rate and recipes by a 1000 times! Isn't it genius???"
dev1: "SUGOOOOI~~~~! (yea i know thats japanese), but won't players fnd it too much?
dev2: "oh no worries, we're feeding them with new classes, boost them with OP skills so that everyone can cap all stats like a boss and none will even notice how the top players are now unreachable by any means, and OFC we have a big dragon that lags and crashes the entire server so they can complain about that more than anything else!"
dev3: " Yay, i could not refuse to hear the awesome plans for 2013 guys, im luving the MILKING gals!"
player: " but umm mister Devs, won't new or casual players stil lbe farmed by hardcore players very easily?"
Epic spez doesn't drop eternal stuff anymore. Now available are seraph armours, specter weapons and apocalypse weapons. The usual drop though is 2 elcyium powders.
I haven't seen a single drop personally in Kartias since the update. Only saw 1 drop in Tuna since update, and it went to someone else, and nothing out in the open field. I'm not complaining yet, as I constantly lvl mentees for coins and the cash they accrue along the way, but I can see this is definitely a different scenario than many are used to. I've seen it all like this many years ago, and people figured out how to make it then.. and I'm sure alot will again...maybe not so much the newer players (sorry) that came to L2 with everything being handed to them..this is a real culture shock to those players, and they'll either quit, or the exact opposite of what NC claims to want happen..they'll resort to the only easy way out that they know, RMT. We may see a lot more bots, and a lot more RMT with the reduced "easy" income. Interesting IMO.
i do fortuna everyday with 2 or 3 chars (2-3 different fortuna ofc), and since lindvior came out only drop i got there are 6 powders (in almost 1 week and 15+ fortuna lol).
epic spez everyday with 2 chars, only powders (not for me) and 1 seraph circlet (+/- 12 epic).
baylor everyday with 2 chars, only crystals or powders (got 2-3 crys out of 12baylor)
fortuna drop requiem weapon (gg. not even in dual 92 i need it), baylor drop seraph (ty, i reach 97 for drop seraph), balok drop eternal (again, gg, i reach 97 for MAYBE drop eternal and pray to get luck to get it from the split of 2 pts), istina dropped 1 unbind armor R (70kk in ah if not less now), thats all the drop of 1 istina, octavis dropped unbind weapon R grade.
thank you for all this.
meh. soon ill run out of money just using GK.
i do fortuna everyday with 2 or 3 chars (2-3 different fortuna ofc), and since lindvior came out only drop i got there are 6 powders (in almost 1 week and 15+ fortuna lol).
epic spez everyday with 2 chars, only powders (not for me) and 1 seraph circlet (+/- 12 epic).
baylor everyday with 2 chars, only crystals or powders (got 2-3 crys out of 12baylor)
fortuna drop requiem weapon (gg. not even in dual 92 i need it), baylor drop seraph (ty, i reach 97 for drop seraph), balok drop eternal (again, gg, i reach 97 for MAYBE drop eternal and pray to get luck to get it from the split of 2 pts), istina dropped 1 unbind armor R (70kk in ah if not less now), thats all the drop of 1 istina, octavis dropped unbind weapon R grade.
thank you for all this.
meh. soon ill run out of money just using GK.
My iss once ran out of adena from porting around... lol so it can happen but with the changes everyone needs to find a new way to finance their endeavors.
There's going to be a lot of QQ in the following months when people realize they can't play both legit and casually anymore. They're going to have to choose between hardcore&legit or casual&RMT....or quit.
remember years ago when bosses in l2 used to drop items for 0.01 chance? we got that back only that items now drop at around 0.3%. welcome to l2 that it was years ago, only now you have bosses in instances not shared with the world.
And of course you have year and half "new" servers and some old ones that are the appropriate age to drink at bars with naked chicks in their laps. Equality in its peak, hah-**
I love when brilliant minds work together and come up with great ideas, such as this one. Just shut down your bot servers for good already.
You've sucked the life out of this once very good game with this "proper" management. Why to return to play here? New update with the same old bots everywhere, same injustices on every step and zero actions toward a brighter future. I don't think a sane person will want that in his free time.
remember years ago when bosses in l2 used to drop items for 0.01 chance? we got that back only that items now drop at around 0.3%. welcome to l2 that it was years ago, only now you have bosses in instances not shared with the world.
i would have no problem with the low change of get an item, i remember back in time farming 1 month for an icarus recipe, and when craft failed (failed 6 times xD) start all over agan.
problem is, for example fortuna, till 1 week ago was dropping seraph, and was ok, cos people from lvl 90 do it, but also at 95, 96 etc. but now drop requiem weapons and twilight, what someone lvl 90 do with a requiem?
or baylor, before people were making their 99 set there and now drop seraph.
i would be really ok with low change to get OLD drop, but not this.
all people (me too ofc), dropped all kind of stuff before lindvior, and is not really fair for new players or new lvl 95/99.
who start to play now (if there are any lol) will arrive at 97 in twilight? when all 97-99 people run around with eternal, some +6 and some with red weapons? lol dont look fair to me.
If the local players wouldn't be lazy to go out to the spots and farm, they wouldn't cry now.
L2 was made for hardcore players looks finally NC again take care about the hardcore players.
Dont be obsecuent, crafting was another thing in c3, c4, Hellbound, Gracia etc, you are now in a server that gives gear to newbies until they are R and then the only thing that has to buy are soulshots until 95 and then till 99.
So, except for ppl who makes a sub and doenst have the gear, there is no point in crafting D, C, A, maybe S and S80, but those people with the ****** adena drop, in a game where you have to hit a mob 10 times spending 2k of adena in SS to collect IF HE DROPS 600a, wont have the money to buy you anything. In C4 every mob dropped adena, no one became a millonare because of this and the amount was not as poor as this and the crafting system worked perfectly so, in my opinion, instead of being obsecuent look back some years and youll see that with more drops than this the game worked fine (C4, the best chronicle ever)
Its true that in GoD the drop was to high but was the drop rate, not amount...
Dont be obsecuent, crafting was another thing in c3, c4, Hellbound, Gracia etc, you are now in a server that gives gear to newbies until they are R and then the only thing that has to buy are soulshots until 95 and then till 99.
So, except for ppl who makes a sub and doenst have the gear, there is no point in crafting D, C, A, maybe S and S80, but those people with the ****** adena drop, in a game where you have to hit a mob 10 times spending 2k of adena in SS to collect IF HE DROPS 600a, wont have the money to buy you anything. In C4 every mob dropped adena, no one became a millonare because of this and the amount was not as poor as this and the crafting system worked perfectly so, in my opinion, instead of being obsecuent look back some years and youll see that with more drops than this the game worked fine (C4, the best chronicle ever)
Its true that in GoD the drop was to high but was the drop rate, not amount...
Good that you also remind the old chronicles where we player didnt receive nothing as lowbies or newbies.
In the GoD started huge inflation around the adena mobs started to drop too much adena. Well now with the Adena reduce it will disappear.
But hey people, you need a spoiler to your party who help to get additional items.
I was lazy until, but looks I really have to upload some guide video, how you people be able to get Adena or gear easily and legit way.
But people the thing as it used to be some months ago, that you did hit the R grade and got full TW set Apo wep after hit the 95 got full r95 set already. This isn't the real Lineage 2.
Do not forget, that around the C4-C5-Interlude time we did use on A-Grade D-C grade jewelry with any low b grade armor and weapon and just got A-Grade around the 75-76 levels.
Under 1,5 years the NCsoft did put everything under your booties the game was simply too easy.
Now atleast this become to interesting.
Just take some hours to test and look around how to make Adena or Gear.
Except the Boss Jewelries, Boss Shirt from now you are able to farm out everything to yourself alone.
Good that you also remind the old chronicles where we player didnt receive nothing as lowbies or newbies.
In the GoD started huge inflation around the adena mobs started to drop too much adena. Well now with the Adena reduce it will disappear.
But hey people, you need a spoiler to your party who help to get additional items.
I was lazy until, but looks I really have to upload some guide video, how you people be able to get Adena or gear easily and legit way.
But people the thing as it used to be some months ago, that you did hit the R grade and got full TW set Apo wep after hit the 95 got full r95 set already. This isn't the real Lineage 2.
Do not forget, that around the C4-C5-Interlude time we did use on A-Grade D-C grade jewelry with any low b grade armor and weapon and just got A-Grade around the 75-76 levels.
Under 1,5 years the NCsoft did put everything under your booties the game was simply too easy.
Now atleast this become to interesting.
Just take some hours to test and look around how to make Adena or Gear.
Except the Boss Jewelries, Boss Shirt from now you are able to farm out everything to yourself alone.
Well you see, I started in GoD with a blade dancer, when I reached 40 I said to myself "I need to create a dwarf to make me soulshots" so I created my actual char, PalasAthenea, now Tyrr Maestro lvl88, Dual Summoner 89.
What I saw was a game where crafting was unnecesary so I played to 85, became Tyrr and I didnt like it. Didnt like to be the same as an orc or Glady. Now I've become a maestro, now the diversification brings more fun to the game (I want my old golem back but, ok, NC dont like the golem thing).
The dissapearing of the unidentified items its ok for me, years ago we fought without unidentified stuff, you got to get items by drop or need to craft it, also to unseal thing you got to fight you way thru necros and catacombs (miss them) to get ancient adena to buy the unseal service.
What I dont like is the lowering the adena amount, I do not agreee with this, playing its more expensive and in some cases its so, but so expensive that you loose money.
I dont think that leveling without soulshots it the solution. Seems like the "fun" concept from NCsoft its different from others.
For NC fun is to spend 40 minutes hitting Frintezza like an idiot, killing mobs in swamp spendig double time because you dont use soulshots, bah, for NC fun is spending time and for a los of us spending time its not fun, fun is another thing, 40 minutes hitting Frintezza expecting a good reward is fun, in many cases the expectation is fun, in other making as many quests as you can in less time to change to your subclass and the continue growing it its fun. Wasting time its not fun.
My only concern its about adena drop, I think its insuficient.
as said before the adena drops on the pre GoD spots needed adjustments but instead of that all drops/adena got downwards adjusted which really doesnt work well for the revamped GoD+ spots as those were already very low to begin with..
this is a simple NCWest mix up and instead of qqing about it here you guys should add it to the Lindvior Update Issue track list..
Historically it was very normal for L2 to be a full level range higher then the gear you wore as most ppl tend to chose XP over Adena when deciding how to level & farm in this game..
I personally wore an IC Hvy set all the way to 85 while farming nonstop for vesper recs & mats to get my Vesper armor back in the days and later on did the same again in LoA/DVC to farm the noble stones to make it a Noble Vesper Hvy set..
now this wasn't even that long ago, 3~4 years at max and way before that say like at the beginning the very first ppl to hit 75 did that in C grade as B grade was insanely rare..
in short yes the game went back to it's REAL roots and ppl need to decide how to play aka XP or Adena and adjust accordingly..
ps, still the so called new revamped areas need that downwards adjustment reversed as 1 mat drop in 2hrs in pagens aka 500+ mobs dead shows there's something really wrong..
Historically it was very normal for L2 to be a full level range higher then the gear you wore as most ppl tend to chose XP over Adena when deciding how to level & farm in this game..
Yes, thats true, but for XP you were always in the same amount I mean, you always got what you needed to go on, now its not the case.
As you said and I agree, needs to be adjusted.
In the old days, more adena dropped than now, and also every third mob dropped a mat of some kind like cokes, coal, varnish, keymat, etc. You at least had enough to pay your way with consumables. Now it's just ridiculous. For instance in full pty killing kundas in seed of hellfire requires around 20 nukes per mob. With bspsr @ around 900 each that's 18k per mob spent in shots alone and the average adena drop is 900 and that's only a 70% chance of getting that. One quest requires 15 mobs, one an unknown number but usually around 30-40. At 18k loss per mob on average that's over 800k spent on consumables just to do quest and that's without aggroing any mobs you dont need for quest or taking part in any pvp. We got no drops at all.
In the old days, more adena dropped than now, and also every third mob dropped a mat of some kind like cokes, coal, varnish, keymat, etc. You at least had enough to pay your way with consumables. Now it's just ridiculous. For instance in full pty killing kundas in seed of hellfire requires around 20 nukes per mob. With bspsr @ around 900 each that's 18k per mob spent in shots alone and the average adena drop is 900 and that's only a 70% chance of getting that. One quest requires 15 mobs, one an unknown number but usually around 30-40. At 18k loss per mob on average that's over 800k spent on consumables just to do quest and that's without aggroing any mobs you dont need for quest or taking part in any pvp. We got no drops at all.
Yes, you loose money playing!
In the old days, more adena dropped than now, and also every third mob dropped a mat of some kind like cokes, coal, varnish, keymat, etc. You at least had enough to pay your way with consumables. Now it's just ridiculous. For instance in full pty killing kundas in seed of hellfire requires around 20 nukes per mob. With bspsr @ around 900 each that's 18k per mob spent in shots alone and the average adena drop is 900 and that's only a 70% chance of getting that. One quest requires 15 mobs, one an unknown number but usually around 30-40. At 18k loss per mob on average that's over 800k spent on consumables just to do quest and that's without aggroing any mobs you dont need for quest or taking part in any pvp. We got no drops at all.
:)) dont use shots! make money :P kite a lot... use oop healer... make a spoiler and invite you 85+ iss in it and never grow up spoiling at one spot :P sell all mats u get make money... kill without shots
this game became old grind 25/7 to make any money...
I been playing this game a while, well since c2, so you are not teaching an old dog new tricks, however my CP all came from a private server and are not used to this situation and keep blindly going instance crazy even though nothing ever drops and soon the free shots will run out. I'm going to encourage them tonight to cost each instance/quest and maybe then their mindset might change, but I doubt it.
I been playing this game a while, well since c2, so you are not teaching an old dog new tricks, however my CP all came from a private server and are not used to this situation and keep blindly going instance crazy even though nothing ever drops and soon the free shots will run out. I'm going to encourage them tonight to cost each instance/quest and maybe then their mindset might change, but I doubt it.
sorry, i dont know how long you playing :) im just throwing it out there...
and yeah... to do instance u need shots for sure... without shots, there wont be enough time ;)
to level up is possible without shots. but will take years. like previously.
i just gave up 85+ lvls... i play my alts and spoilers to kill time when im annoyed...
sorry, i dont know how long you playing :) im just throwing it out there...
and yeah... to do instance u need shots for sure... without shots, there wont be enough time ;)
to level up is possible without shots. but will take years. like previously.
i just gave up 85+ lvls... i play my alts and spoilers to kill time when im annoyed...
Cmon bro, whats the point of l2? fun means spend time or use that time in playing?
Spending more time killing a mob its not fun, whats the fun in that?
"hohoho I went to swamp and I made the quest in 2 hours instead of 40 minutes, yeah, now i'm really having fun, dindt know what fun was"
Cmon bro, whats the point of l2? fun means spend time or use that time in playing?
Spending more time killing a mob its not fun, whats the fun in that?
"hohoho I went to swamp and I made the quest in 2 hours instead of 40 minutes, yeah, now i'm really having fun, dindt know what fun was"
well, yes, thats why bosses like istina or octavis take SO DAM LONG to be killed, if we didnt enjoy such things developers would not even think about making the grind even harder, but we LOVE the grind, thats why you see people at swamplands fighting the mobs with their bare hands!, who needs weapons?, punch the crap out of those shillen worshipping ********! show them what you're rly made of!
Cmon bro, whats the point of l2? fun means spend time or use that time in playing?
Spending more time killing a mob its not fun, whats the fun in that?
"hohoho I went to swamp and I made the quest in 2 hours instead of 40 minutes, yeah, now i'm really having fun, dindt know what fun was"
Lineage is mean.
lol Lineage2 is money grabber after 85+ unless as said in other post, u have set party who always does epics/instances/dailies/xp with you
if you solo L2 85+ game is over
thats why and yes I DO have fun playing on my alts...killing 42-70 lvl mobs with OE weapons and normal shots... which are free btw :)
we all look for different FUN in this life...! thats proven by many ppl
some do drugs, some drink alcohol, some make love, some go outside, some sit and grind in L2 :( and some do it ALL
i dont even know how to make money any more. Crafting is next to impossible with the heavy requirements and a need for an othell fortune seeker.
1) gotta level up a dworf FS dagger to 85 (a much longer process than before)
2) gotta fight crowded areas to spoil potential mats
3) gotta craft via SUPER EXPENSIVE recipes and other items that fail often
seriously, i dont know how the economy can adjust when its like this.
lol Lineage2 is money grabber after 85+ unless as said in other post, u have set party who always does epics/instances/dailies/xp with you
if you solo L2 85+ game is over
100% false, I make more adena and xp soloing than I do in Instance or Group Hunting Areas. AoE is your friend, every class can do it. 1.2 Bil xp per hour, 21 Mil Net Profit and hour, with just boxed iss OOP.
i dont even know how to make money any more. Crafting is next to impossible with the heavy requirements and a need for an othell fortune seeker.
1) gotta level up a dworf FS dagger to 85 (a much longer process than before)
2) gotta fight crowded areas to spoil potential mats
3) gotta craft via SUPER EXPENSIVE recipes and other items that fail often
seriously, i dont know how the economy can adjust when its like this.
As far as the dagger is concerned, its not too bad of an idea, however I don't think its going to be worth it, most of the spoils aren't any good until you get in the 95+ areas.
The economy? It will recover, eventually. we are less than 7 days after a MAJOR gear update. Give it some time, 1-3 months. Things will start to level out a lot and people will start to learn that Kartia is making them spend 1k shots and getting them 1% or less. Not worth it.
Good news is ladies and gentlemen is that the price of shots will come down drastically here soon. Unid gear - 3-40 crystals, Normal gear 70-2000. Shots will come down to about 10-15 adena over crafting price.
My iss once ran out of adena from porting around... lol so it can happen but with the changes everyone needs to find a new way to finance their endeavors.
IE try to get some bot money.
If everyone, or mostly everyone, is coming out behind on every or almost every playing session purely on adena earned from drops/completing quests, then it is quite obvious that there is a serious problem with how mob rewards are balanced against costs. That is our current situation.
You can't say that well if you sell that drop on the AH then you will come out ahead because you are ignoring the fundamental problem. IE without bots you wouldn't be able to sell items on the AH and come out ahead because everyone would be coming out behind and if everyone is behind they can't pay you for the item you are trying to sell them.
Good news is ladies and gentlemen is that the price of shots will come down drastically here soon. Unid gear - 3-40 crystals, Normal gear 70-2000. Shots will come down to about 10-15 adena over crafting price.
This means jack **** when the cost of shots is already too high given expected player income from drops (see above).
The spirit ore cost for making BSPSR is about 750 adena per BSPSR. If the mob takes me 6 BSPSR to kill, that means the mob needs to drop 4500 adena just for me to break even on the spirit ore cost alone. And it is quite obvious that mobs aren't dropping anything close to this amount.
The cost of the R grade crystals is an extremely tiny portion of the overall BSPSR cost. In fact, the per R grade crystal cost of each shot is only 76 adena. That is 9.2% of the total cost. Even if the price of R grade crystals were to double or triple, it would still not account for the majority of the BSPSR cost.
i had finish istance Octavis and Istina, its drop
Octavis : 1 unbind armor R, 1 BEWR ( instance need lv 95+ )
Istina : 1 unbind armor R, 1 BEWR, 1 tunic TW ( instance need lv 90+ )
where is difference with 2 instance now ? Someone maybe think i cry. Yeah truly cribaby :)
Now why need high lv to make instance, but it's drop dont different
i had finish istance Octavis and Istina, its drop
Octavis : 1 unbind armor R, 1 BEWR ( instance need lv 95+ )
Istina : 1 unbind armor R, 1 BEWR, 1 tunic TW ( instance need lv 90+ )
where is difference with 2 instance now ? Someone maybe think i cry. Yeah truly cribaby :)
Now why need high lv to make instance, but it's drop dont different
Sr my eng is bad
also have in mind that lv 91-92 parties have little damage on istina, and same goes for lvs 95-96 on octavis, u need to have some ppl in the parties that are 97++ or else time will be up before u make it.
They're trying to deflate the economy, bots flooded the servers with hundreds of millions adena per day per party. There are characters right now with access to tens of billions in adena.
Bad news is you're on a short end of the stick. Those with assets get to keep their purchasing power, while yours is relatively destroyed by still high item costs, and low income.
Don't worry, you'll catch up in 3 months 6 hours a day hunting with no shots to go from 98-99.
lol Lineage2 is money grabber after 85+ unless as said in other post, u have set party who always does epics/instances/dailies/xp with you
if you solo L2 85+ game is over
thats why and yes I DO have fun playing on my alts...killing 42-70 lvl mobs with OE weapons and normal shots... which are free btw :)
we all look for different FUN in this life...! thats proven by many ppl
some do drugs, some drink alcohol, some make love, some go outside, some sit and grind in L2 :( and some do it ALL
I know, I will have to stop playing again.
Whats the point of playing? You kill a mob and when you are done instead of having a reward you owe money!!
Leveling now its like going to work but instead of earning money you pay...
Yeah, thats fun.
L2 was always mean but this is the meanest version of all and I thought Hellbound was mean because all mobs didnt drop adena...
NC is fighting bots, how? you will have to buy adena straight from NC.
The spirit ore cost for making BSPSR is about 750 adena per BSPSR. If the mob takes me 6 BSPSR to kill, that means the mob needs to drop 4500 adena just for me to break even on the spirit ore cost alone. And it is quite obvious that mobs aren't dropping anything close to this amount.
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Yes, tore prices didnt fell down, its inflation, with this schema everithing is 50% or more, expensive.
In the old days, more adena dropped than now, and also every third mob dropped a mat of some kind like cokes, coal, varnish, keymat, etc. You at least had enough to pay your way with consumables. Now it's just ridiculous. For instance in full pty killing kundas in seed of hellfire requires around 20 nukes per mob. With bspsr @ around 900 each that's 18k per mob spent in shots alone and the average adena drop is 900 and that's only a 70% chance of getting that. One quest requires 15 mobs, one an unknown number but usually around 30-40. At 18k loss per mob on average that's over 800k spent on consumables just to do quest and that's without aggroing any mobs you dont need for quest or taking part in any pvp. We got no drops at all.
100% false, I make more adena and xp soloing than I do in Instance or Group Hunting Areas. AoE is your friend, every class can do it. 1.2 Bil xp per hour, 21 Mil Net Profit and hour, with just boxed iss OOP.
can you tell me how can healer exp solo and make 1 bil exp per hour?
can you tell me how can healer exp solo and make 1 bil exp per hour?
At level 90 with decent gear aoe at fairies with runes and vit. Probably more like 2-3b then although other classes could do 5-8b there. Past 94 there isn't a decent solo place for a healer. SoS is just terrible even when massive aoe.