dagger/shield for othell?

Hello, just curious if a dagger/shield is good for othell class. I saw some people in Oly's owning and they were equipped with that, is d/s something worth playing with for pvp?

no.

Ok, that reply was no help at all....can anyone give me an answer that will explain why or why not dagger/shield is good vs bad in pvp. I saw a few people doing well this way and the last post does not help with my question at all. Thanks in advance.

maybe if you have kept the 2nd class skill collector's experience + using knights harmony...

still not many (dwarf) othels using shields IMO

try to find at forum this info/

shield = - evasion

and for daily pvp better dual daggers (IMO).

Idiot daggers running around with a shield like this is C2.

Seriously, why would a dagger choose to lose EIGHT evasion for a high chance to increase their defense exponentially and possibly reduce incoming damage to 1.

I mean come on, EIGHT evasion is massive. When you have 200+ evasion that extra EIGHT is going to make or break a fight. Without that EIGHT extra evasion daggers will get hit by every fighter class, every time.

Seriously, using a shield is just dumb.......

LOL, well no offense Rodah but the 2 people that I saw using the shield/dagger was Waterfallz and Undiedoly in your clan SH...

Shield? LOL.

LOL, well no offense Rodah but the 2 people that I saw using the shield/dagger was Waterfallz and Undiedoly in your clan SH...

Son, Rodah just trolled you. You'll be fine. I know this is the first time someone has trolled you but you really should get used to it.

Daggers are not tankers (oh really? :p). What I mean, btw, is that othells haven't passives for shield block or high con as well to improve it. In theory,
knight harmony + shield sounds good to make skills (magic or not) blocked(some othells insist on it). But that don't work in that way for othells. U are just disrespecting all ur evasion status, what means any melee atk that is not a skill can hit u for good and put u down.

Summarizing:
So, using a shield + Knight harmony u will look like dumb, lose around 8 points evasion (and respect as well xD), u won't block so many skills and will receive more meele attacks.

ah, one more thing: Dual daggers are for pve. If u can't understand what happens when u put a dual dagger to +4 and a single dagger to +4 and their behaviour in pvp, don't try teach people pls, just keep on thinking in that test from forum hitting a npc that doesn't react, has no cp or whatever... :D Anyway... see u othells with shield or duals in pvp :D

It's up to you. Single dual whatever. Shield no shield whatever. Me and undied have dagger hero in lock down. Don't try and copy us :)

Daggers are not tankers (oh really? :p). What I mean, btw, is that othells haven't passives for shield block or high con as well to improve it. In theory,
knight harmony + shield sounds good to make skills (magic or not) blocked(some othells insist on it). But that don't work in that way for othells. U are just disrespecting all ur evasion status, what means any melee atk that is not a skill can hit u for good and put u down.

Summarizing:
So, using a shield + Knight harmony u will look like dumb, lose around 8 points evasion (and respect as well xD), u won't block so many skills and will receive more meele attacks.

ah, one more thing: Dual daggers are for pve. If u can't understand what happens when u put a dual dagger to +4 and a single dagger to +4 and their behaviour in pvp, don't try teach people pls, just keep on thinking in that test from forum hitting a npc that doesn't react, has no cp or whatever... :D Anyway... see u othells with shield or duals in pvp :D

What you're saying isn't exactly correct. It's ignorant to say such things like, "dual daggers are for pve". Single dagger does do a little bit more per stab but nothing beats dual dagger in dagger spec. You do more dmg with swings half of the time and the fight is concluded by 1-2 stabs or by being outplayed. I can probably swing you to death with my daggers through your evasive cstrike before your stabs kill me through mine

it really doesnt matter honestly. duals, or single. The difference is negliable when factored into all other things. THe shield is also negligible as it helps, but not big enough to make a game changing impact in pvp.

Use whatever u want, its how you play your toon that matters.

Dual Dagger for PVE? RLY? :confused:

TOP *****ING DAGGER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zw3ytSGnYw

And about the shield, I particularly think that's ridiculous (but, I don't saying that is noob), and the really I don't know if it's work fine, but I dislike dagger+shield, for me NC should put more penalty, coz dagger don't was make for use shield, like AION dagger can't equipe a shield

@Remember, I don't said that's noob dagger+shield, I just dislike, and about single or dual, Dual with Damage SA = more damage also in PVP, Single = more chance for crit skills (duble damage and reset skills CD based in ur STR)

Dual Dagger for PVE? RLY? :confused:

TOP *****ING DAGGER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zw3ytSGnYw

And about the shield, I particularly think that's ridiculous (but, I don't saying that is noob), and the really I don't know if it's work fine, but I dislike dagger+shield, for me NC should put more penalty, coz dagger don't was make for use shield, like AION dagger can't equipe a shield

@Remember, I don't said that's noob dagger+shield, I just dislike, and about single or dual, Dual with Damage SA = more damage also in PVP, Single = more chance for crit skills (duble damage and reset skills CD based in ur STR)

Superior Dagger Mastery: STR + 2 and P. Atk. + 344 when a dagger is equipped. Increases Atk. Spd. + 25% and Vital Spot Attack Rate + 5%. Additionally, there is a chance the Cooldown of skills will reset or the duration double depending on your STR.

Superior Dual Dagger Mastery: STR + 2 and P. Atk. + 344 when using a dual dagger.


Amaranthine Dual Dagger: Damage UP SA:Increases P. Atk. by 415. Increases damage inflicted during PvP. Increases P. Critical Damage and P. Atk. when enchanted to + 4

Amaranthine Shaper: Bestows one of the following functions: Guidance, Haste, or Focus. Two functions can be bestowed through a rare soul crystal. Increases P. Critical Damage when enchanted to + 4.

Dual daggers +4 = 555 crit dmg and some crit rate.
Single Daggers +4 = 844 crit dmg
(or around it, need check)

So u consider: http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?p=3284302

On my view:Yes, single daggers for pvp and duals for pve. Duals have just normal hits stronger, nothing else(check the passive skills). The behaviour of a single dagger in pvp using skills is waaaaaay different. U won't use normal melee attacks in pvp but skills.

The test there, used a npc that don't move, being a npc receive pve damage (ofc), no skills, no reactions, do absolutly nothing. Any dagger can hit a lot with duals or single with epic jewels and dyes so no point discuss about it.
Check ur passive skills and make ur choice.

PS: Duals sux xD

Superior Dagger Mastery: STR + 2 and P. Atk. + 344 when a dagger is equipped. Increases Atk. Spd. + 25% and Vital Spot Attack Rate + 5%. Additionally, there is a chance the Cooldown of skills will reset or the duration double depending on your STR.

Superior Dual Dagger Mastery: STR + 2 and P. Atk. + 344 when using a dual dagger.


Amaranthine Dual Dagger: Damage UP SA:Increases P. Atk. by 415. Increases damage inflicted during PvP. Increases P. Critical Damage and P. Atk. when enchanted to + 4

Amaranthine Shaper: Bestows one of the following functions: Guidance, Haste, or Focus. Two functions can be bestowed through a rare soul crystal. Increases P. Critical Damage when enchanted to + 4.

Dual daggers +4 = 555 crit dmg and some crit rate.
Single Daggers +4 = 844 crit dmg
(or around it, need check)

So u consider: http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?p=3284302

On my view:Yes, single daggers for pvp and duals for pve. Duals have just normal hits stronger, nothing else(check the passive skills). The behaviour of a single dagger in pvp using skills is waaaaaay different. U won't use normal melee attacks in pvp but skills.

The test there, used a npc that don't move, being a npc receive pve damage (ofc), no skills, no reactions, do absolutly nothing. Any dagger can hit a lot with duals or single with epic jewels and dyes so no point discuss about it.
Check ur passive skills and make ur choice.

PS: Duals sux xD

Single = more chance for crit skills (duble damage and reset skills CD based in ur STR)

why u're repeating what I said :confused:?

ATM daggers are a big gamble...

If you crit a skill it goes through evasive counterstrike... so thats why you see some daggers opening with AoD/+20% vital spot buff/single dagger especially when they are dex speced, as they can effectively "one shot" the opponent. :eek:

TBH ive had a harder time in oly now than before Lindivor, with daggers that I was having flawless victories before beating me... but then again I have won daggers with +13 blessed apoc (passive and active reflect) and lose to daggers in seraph, the room for error in dagger matches has gotten a lot smaller and one or two good crits can win the match outright

Daggers with shield ... ... ... i dont like it xD -8 evasion is bad for me ^^

Also daggers dont have any shield passive.

OK! I did some tests
And... with shield u've little chance of block damage with knight
W/O shield u've +8 evasion, it's like 4% more evasion compared with shield users, ie you have 4% more chances of resist/evade a hit = 0 damage

Also some ppl said that shiel +++ give little HP, I haven't test this, but I'm not sure, coz with shield u've nothing more p.def

Gawd you people ever stupid.

There is a difference between p. evasion , skill evasion , m. Evasion .

P. evasion is visible in your stats and it only evades white damage. When you equip a shield you only lower your evasion to white damage.

Go test it yourself. Take a clas that will never miss a skill, ie iss death strike and try that on your dagger. You won't evade a single one of these skills unless you either have skill evasion buffs (angel of death , dodge, evasive counter strike , ultimate evasion, etc)

So the argument works as follows. If you want to use a single dagger, why not use a shield on your off hand. At 90 con, you have a chance to achieve a perfect shield block. That reduces damage from skills and white damage to 1.

Is it worth taking the shield ? It doesn't hurt. In 1on1 vs undied it does make a difference when one of us equips a shield.

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Don't use shield, u're not a tank, it's ridiculous

And I rly think that NCLOLage2 need add restriction for use some equipes, like AION and also 90% of MMORPG's

Pls. link me a video of a "PRO" dagger playing with shield, and I stay quiet :)