Robe+Knight+CON dyes vs. Heavy+Wizzard+Wit Dyes

Aeore Healer Started Last reply 48 posts
I am talking about 95+ Healers in mass PvP/7v7 PvPs!

Robe+Knight+CON dyes:

+High HP
+High Cast
+Robe set bonus/Robe Passive Skill
+Higher M.def

-Missing Cooldown Reduction on Wizard harmony
-Lower P.def (still paper against Othells/Yuls)

VS.

Heavy+Wizzard+WIT Dyes:

+High P.Def
+Heavy set bonus (-Critical damage recived)
+Cooldown reduction on wizzard harmony

-Low HP
-Has to have better Items or buffs to reach max cast speed (+15 Wit dyes, Istina/Octa shirt, Castle Cloak, Collector buff etc.)
-Lower M.def

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My opinion: Heavy healer is better, becouse of Cooldown reduction and sustain. But robe is not so bad choice aswell ...

// I know there is thread on same subject, but it is not anymore about the topic...

So, what is your opinion guys ?
CON setup isn't that great IMHO, the increase in HP and stun defense is negligible. So, heavy for life.
+ for Heavy.
You forget a important item:
+10 Robe / Light Armory Mastery
Light + Knight + Eva's Rune
You forget a important item:
+10 Robe / Light Armory Mastery

I only bothered taking mine to +8 since I wear heavy, but pls, what is so good about it? What would it add that makes it better than wearing heavy?

Also, to the OP:

You listed Robe set bonus as +. What is it you find good in robe set bonus?
U guys dislike light set? After lindvior heavy sux =P
I am talking about 95+ Healers in mass PvP/7v7 PvPs!

Robe+Knight+CON dyes:

+High HP
+High Cast
+Robe set bonus
+Higher M.def

-Missing Cooldown Reduction on Wizard harmony
-Lower P.def (still paper against Othells/Yuls)

VS.

Heavy+Wizzard+WIT Dyes:

+High P.Def
+Heavy set bonus (-Critical damage recived)
+Cooldown reduction on wizzard harmony

-Low HP
-Has to have better Items or buffs to reach max cast speed (+15 Wit dyes, Istina/Octa shirt, Castle Cloak, Collector buff etc.)
-Lower M.def

________________________________________________

My opinion: Heavy healer is better, becouse of Cooldown reduction and sustain. But robe is not so bad choice aswell ...

// I know there is thread on same subject, but it is not anymore about the topic...

So, what is your opinion guys ?

My honest opinion:
Buy a Chaos Essence for 2400 nccoin, switch to Eva's Saint (+10% reuse @ lv 99) -
Buy an Istina Necklace or Frintezza's Soul Necklace for an extra +10% reuse. - Together these replace the reuse in Wizards Harmony.
Wear heavy, use knights, go +10WIT +5CON.
Use Knights Harmony in mass pvp/pvp against daggers/archers.
You should have 1999 Cast speed, decent max HP, and amazing p.def


glhf
U guys dislike light set? After lindvior heavy sux =P
Between being 1-hit and 3-hits, I prefer being 3-hits.

Guess which set allows me so.
You listed Robe set bonus as +. What is it you find good in robe set bonus?

+10% Healing recived, some resists, casting etc. but I was thinking about Robe Armor passive(+4.3k HP) ...

My honest opinion:
Buy a Chaos Essence for 2400 nccoin, switch to Eva's Saint (+10% reuse @ lv 99) -
Buy an Istina Necklace or Frintezza's Soul Necklace for an extra +10% reuse. - Together these replace the reuse in Wizards Harmony.
Wear heavy, use knights, go +10WIT +5CON.
Use Knights Harmony in mass pvp/pvp against daggers/archers.
You should have 1999 Cast speed, decent max HP, and amazing p.def


glhf

In heavy I have +12 WIT Dyes and I got 1500 cast with knights, 1750 with Wizzards ... (no Istina/Octa Shirt, Main clan cloak yet...), so I dont know where you got 1999 cast ... (I am lv99 Cardinal and 2nd healer in CP is lv99 Eva's Saint, both have Istina neck+Eternal Armors :) )

U guys dislike light set? After lindvior heavy sux =P

Not really ... You only can't use frantic Healing in it (which costs mana now, not a small ammount of it) that is all ... Heavy is still very good set for healer
Seems vincent is clueless.

There is absolutely no difference using a heavy set now, than before Lindvior for me.

Extra 4k hp means nothing when u are getting hit for that much more per hit.

Also, I'm not impressed at all with the set bonuses on robes. They give us heals that restore 30% or more of someones hp, and then they add set bonus that slightly increase healpower, but dont work on the previously mentioned heal?
In heavy I have +12 WIT Dyes and I got 1500 cast with knights, 1750 with Wizzards ... (no Istina/Octa Shirt, Main clan cloak yet...), so I dont know where you got 1999 cast ... (I am lv99 Cardinal and 2nd healer in CP is lv99 Eva's Saint, both have Istina neck+Eternal Armors :) )


http://s22.postimg.org/iiguku5w1/1zes.jpg
heavy eternal + knight.
1500 c.speed with +12 wit is few, even my alt healer 92 in heavy have more c.speed, sure nothing is wrong? looks too low for me, do you use acumen? if no, there is the answer.
Really, Daring sonata ? :>
Really, Daring sonata ? :>

well, beside if i go in pvp i dont remove it cos im too lazy. if im w8ing -afk- for cd of instances to end, i just ignore it
http://s22.postimg.org/iiguku5w1/1zes.jpg
heavy eternal + knight.
1500 c.speed with +12 wit is few, even my alt healer 92 in heavy have more c.speed, sure nothing is wrong? looks too low for me, do you use acumen? if no, there is the answer.

I have only 93 WIT ... how did you get 102 ? (I am human wizard BTW... but there should not be 9 WIT difference...)
Cloak of Light / Darkness

Talisman of Longing

Hair accessory +3 wit ?

The above would add 7 WIT
I have only 93 WIT ... how did you get 102 ? (I am human wizard BTW... but there should not be 9 WIT difference...)

elf base wit is 84
+13 dyes
+3 wit accessory
+2 wit from cloak
= 102
http://s22.postimg.org/iiguku5w1/1zes.jpg
heavy eternal + knight.
1500 c.speed with +12 wit is few, even my alt healer 92 in heavy have more c.speed, sure nothing is wrong? looks too low for me, do you use acumen? if no, there is the answer.

lol - 97 healer:
Armor & Jewels & buffs:
Bound Seraph Light +3 / baium ring / istina neck / 2x +4 r95 earring / +4 r95 ring / dual class 92 underwear (togle frantic is active) / lvl 4 iss buffs + knight + turtle+6con-2str;+3int-1wit + dualclass hp bonus +16%

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6340/o1xu.jpg

Question about HP Heavy x Light or Robe
18727hp x 34339hp... heavy is a good choice?
One of the top healer I know is running in Light armor :D
lol - 97 healer:
Armor & Jewels & buffs:
Bound Seraph Light +3 / baium ring / istina neck / 2x +4 r95 earring / +4 r95 ring / dual class 92 underwear (togle frantic is active) / lvl 4 iss buffs + knight + turtle+6con-2str;+3int-1wit + dualclass hp bonus +16%

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6340/o1xu.jpg

Question about HP Heavy x Light or Robe
18727hp x 34339hp... heavy is a good choice?

I really have no clue how you get those digits guys. Armor mastery passive +10? For me it goes like this:
1. Eternal Bound Heavy Set +6 +3 +6 +6 +3, turtle buff, clan buff, lv 3 buffs+knight harmony, no Iron Aura, without daring, Glorious T-Shirt 6283 p def (I have got dual class skill - Light of Protection - no bonus pdef applied in stats above)
2. Bound Seraph Light set +4 +4 +4 +4 +5 the same buff setup 4674 p def + 4200 HP

Jewels 2x +5 seraph rings, 2x +5 seraph earrings, istina necklace
1. Heavy set noted above 3997 m def
2. 4263 m def

If I were not a dark elf, but let's say light elf, it would be better but still... are you on divine elixir? Or Rose buff?
If I were not a dark elf, but let's say light elf, it would be better but still... are you on divine elixir? Or Rose buff?
I get those stats with Divine Elixir/Art of Seduction and I'm amazed at these pics Oo
cancelled my dal class skills, got +hp (12% HP), put +4 con, used a robe set eternal (and a light twilight -this ive lol), and my hp dont go up 25k-26k. note that eternal robe is +6 so i should have a little hp bonus from it.
now, how the hell you have 34k? lol what race are you?
3.5k p.def in eternal robe+knight, 3.6k p.def in twilight light (lol)+knight.
Eternal Robe set +6 + Knight Harmony + Istina Necklace

On elexir around 6.5k p.def and almost 7k m.def. In my opinion best balance against feoh/archer. But I know I am outsider because I dont run in heavy set (anymore).
i'm in robe too, and i think its better then heawy how say Martyi with elixir its not easy to die ;) elixir price is 5 kk per 60min? i think its not so much expensive then ... i think robe is better
Elixirs last 30 minutes...
Elixirs last 30 minutes...

yes but craft costs around 5-6kk and it gives 2 elexirs so it is for 60 mins ;)
1 elexir is 2.5kk around if you have craft for free.
For pvp eternal hvy set +4/+5 + knight + istina neck + istina ring + daring sonata

With rose and tank aura i have around 9,5k pdef, mdef around 5-6k i think (not sure)

Btw pvp based healer use elixiers and we know why, we no need to explain this to pve healers.

And about robe btw, i dont know how you pvp, but i'm mostly main target of archers/daggers, i cant survive in robe. Mby if i had con +++, con pend + blessed set +6 ...
So, nice results guys :) ....

I made some tests on myself:

Char: Aeore Cardinal (Human Wizard) lvl 99, +12WIT -6MEN Dyes
Buffs: Lvl 1 ISS buffs, Turtle buff, no Rose/elixir, no Colector Gift, no Party solidarity.
Gear: Bound Seraph Sigil +6, Talisman Annihilation, Glorious T-Shirt (+465 HP, 60 P.def), Enhanced Octavis Bracelet (+1WIT,+1DEX), Istina Neck +5 .... +4 Eternal Robe/Heavy set! (2x Bound parts on heavy)

HP:
18088-heavy
21352-robe

(P.def/M.def/Casting speed)

WIZ/Daring
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4630/4242/1672 -Hvy
3201/4951/1926 -Robe

Knight/Draring
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6640/3750/1550 -Hvy
4581/4403/1785 -Robe

Knight/No daring
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6841/4184/1436 -Hvy
4718/4887/1654 -Robe

So .... 4630/4242/1672 : +100% M.crit Rate, Skill Cooldown -20%, -7.6% Recived Critical damage
or .... 4718/4887/1654 : +3.3k HP, 30% Shield Defense rate (if you use it),10% recived Healing ... ?
Well ... test it. There is too many opinions. Depends also on your party setup and if you have second healer in party. For me is important survive - if i'm alive, my second healer and my party is alive.
And about robe btw, i dont know how you pvp, but i'm mostly main target of archers/daggers, i cant survive in robe. Mby if i had con +++, con pend + blessed set +6 ...

Heals, Pots, Dispiration, Celest, Crystal Regeneration and running ;)
Btw pvp based healer use elixiers and we know why, we no need to explain this to pve healers..

Burned in pve can afford elixirs.
@Colorado: ***, the img you've posted is broken to me, I cant see it. :( Anyway, did you go all your dualclass skills for ++ hp? And how +CON is working at pvp?

I have Istina Earr, then unless tyrr/tank, I hardly get any stun than last any longer (not even from yuls), but I'd like to now how +CON should affect theses stats on a healer: chance to avoiding lethal/stun/knockdown/paralyse.
@Colorado: ***, the img you've posted is broken to me, I cant see it. :( Anyway, did you go all your dualclass skills for ++ hp? And how +CON is working at pvp?

I have Istina Earr, then unless tyrr/tank, I hardly get any stun than last any longer (not even from yuls), but I'd like to now how +CON should affect theses stats on a healer: chance to avoiding lethal/stun/knockdown/paralyse.


CON does not affect stun resistance (not sure about the others)

test of innova : https://4gameforum.com/showthread.php?t=15092
LF screenshot of colorado with 34k hp.
LF screenshot of colorado with 34k hp.
Imageshack removed the screenshot :mad:
@Rubu, ty for the info. It lays down my plan to get some extra protection with a low dye of CON. :(
CON -Increaces max HP, HP regen, Weight, Breath, Shield def success rater and resistance to physical debuffs.
One of the top healer I know is running in Light armor :D

Hipster.
Eh, resurrecting an old thread but whatever.

From a 99 Aeore Eva's saint PoV, I'd say go Con/Robe setup with knights, by far the best all rounder and the HP bonus really does work out.

Sitting just under 49k hp on my 99/99 right now, while still having 1.9k C speed, 6.5k PDef and Mdef to spare, mix that with the ES 99 Passive and Istina Neck and you keep the reuse from Wiz Harm with all the perks of Knights.

Just my two cents.

(Stats posted above with Divine Elixir)
Ouch, double post.
Updated - Setup for siege - Toogle Frantic is OFF

Bound Seraph Light Set +3
Full buff + Rose
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1019/wdqf.jpg

Keep in your mind, to be a good healer in heavy set you will need +5 +1 Dyes, too much Adena. Adena is not avaliable for real players.
With 6.6k pdef I got hits of 18~20k from Archers/Rogues 99 in siege.
With 4.6k mdef I got 26~44k hits from Mages.
Updated - Setup for siege - Toogle Frantic is OFF

Bound Seraph Light Set +3
Full buff + Rose
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1019/wdqf.jpg

based on m.atk i'd say you are using wizard, but by cast speed my gues would be knight. i'm also runing with light set, and mostly use wizard harmony. with divine protect i have almoust 30k hp, 29k+ cp, p.def and m.def ~4,5k both, cast 1,9k+ w/o frantic, would say it's not that bad, can't find better set for myself :)
based on m.atk i'd say you are using wizard, but by cast speed my gues would be knight. i'm also runing with light set, and mostly use wizard harmony. with divine protect i have almoust 30k hp, 29k+ cp, p.def and m.def ~4,5k both, cast 1,9k+ w/o frantic, would say it's not that bad, can't find better set for myself :)
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They still hurt doe.
I will keep this in mind