-Guillotine F.:Full bots all days same players boting
-Stronghold: Full bots all days same players boting
-etc etc etc................
Every day more disgusted with ncsoft, maybe (<- ironic) these people partys are clans like dv, max or geno, why no ban? they spend large amounts of money?
Fighting all days vs bots lv99 with blessed weapons +++++
90% heros of Magmeld are bots, idrchuongi banned & unbanned in 3 days (paying real money for this? now he is hero is a great example of this dirty server.
Pd:really pathetic server, play for fun or delete game forever, this is not L2.
-Guillotine F.:Full bots all days same players boting
-Stronghold: Full bots all days same players boting
-etc etc etc................
Every day more disgusted with ncsoft, maybe (<- ironic) these people partys are clans like dv, max or geno, why no ban? they spend large amounts of money?
Fighting all days vs bots lv99 with blessed weapons +++++
90% heros of Magmeld are bots, idrchuongi banned & unbanned in 3 days (paying real money for this? now he is hero is a great example of this dirty server.
Pd:really pathetic server, play for fun or delete game forever, this is not L2.
I understand your anger ... I took ban, playing in the hand ... ppl with party bots and afk ... bots make 99 char's to sell ... and legitimate players when trying to exp after the dailys take ban ...
I heard some roumors about ncsoft not having the legal rights to ban as long as they dont have some programs installed in your pc and they are trying to move in another state where they would have this rights...
I heard some roumors about ncsoft not having the legal rights to ban as long as they dont have some programs installed in your pc and they are trying to move in another state where they would have this rights...
90% heros of Magmeld are bots, ...
Pd:really pathetic server, play for fun or delete game forever, this is not L2.
Naia same, and i think all servers
NC Soft is looking for new antibot system.
Please wait. A good future waiting us.
wait until 2099 + ... wait for nothing ... the hope died long time ago
Bots will never be 100% gone.
correct is: Bots will never be gone ... even 0.01% of them
I would also add:
- in a old thred or interview, nc stuf told about bots "they make the server economy" ... yes, to be ruined
- bots make good money (real money) for their owners
- bots make good money for NC ... bots owner pay to keep them alive
do you think they (NC stuf) do not know where the bots are on the map and who is owner for each train, on each server? you really think they can not give them ban? you really think they do not know who uses z.r.a.n.g.e.r?
think a little, servers are full of bugs for weeks, and no bug fix til now. that mean, for me, they dont have technical team ... maybe 1 or 2 man to press the power button to servers
and think a little again ... human by its nature, instinctively, wants to cheat ... friends, enemies, life, death, everything. Cheating is human weakness. How could use this human weakness ... easy ... "Pay me and I'll let you to cheat". this is the true nc. ... "in the end you are happy you can cheat (bot), and they are happy to make easy money" ... nothing more simply
probably this post will be deleted ... probably I'll drink the best beer in the world. cheers
NC Soft is looking for new antibot system.
Please wait. A good future waiting us.
You made my day, my friend :)
Getting visited by Santa is far more possible.
When you install L2 you also get pando-media-something, connection advisor or something like this...and probably some other stuff too. They don't need any special permission to install you other stuff... And most private server block bots without any side programs.
mby Frost?? its so good antibot
Frost is illegal in the U.S... Which is funny, seeing as their best espionage agencies were keeping the citizens under hidden scrutiny.
The fact is they can't or dont want to ban bots. They could change pk system and we could "ban" them ourselves. Or they could log in 10 min in game and ban 50/100 ppl/ day including 20-30 99 lvl ppl. And dont tell me they dont have time or staff, cause they had time to send me 2 warnings for using the word ****!
I am sure they have enough staff to close this post in incoming 5-10 mins and bot problem will be "fixed" rather than loging in game and banning atleast few bot parties.
This is really an issue, what the NCwest could solve or decrease its effect.
But they would need a proper anti cheater program, without it, it won't work. Bots will return in big number.
GMs are banning bots, but to keep clean always these 5 servers would be necessary like 20 GMs who only just do, to watch and clean the servers.
But as much as lazy and dumb many of them new players, the bots currently even not good to say, but help a bit to make better the economic system, that they take to the market materials, crystals etc.
Bots is good in 1 way bad in other. I strictly against PVP programs.
Im 100% up for farming bots imo 6 bilions just to buy 2ond sa ? u serious ? :D imagine you need farm this with your hands ? ) And then will be new QQs again.
But as i said Autopvp stuff should be baned imediately. Because those automated toons destroyoing all concept why we play here.
And i don't even want to know how much adena is already farmed by pplz who was able to make 2-4 bilion/ day for last year :D. In tullys loa locations. 62-120bil x12 :) some pplz have just like XXXX bilions in their warehouse. :D Yah .. hands won't help here ). And this item broker.. :D selling tauti weapon. just like that. guess who buy those weapons ? )
I know about myself, that I can farm out the R99 double SA or any stuffs.
But I know well, that most of people wouldn't able to do it for different reasons.
2nd SA is an extreme good example. Take a look, how much Adena drop a mob and count how much Adena you farm there under 30 mins. Than take this R gemstone amount what is cost like 5 billions of Adena.
Bots at least currently help decrease the price of another items and take new items to the market, what with you can make businesses to get more Adena.
So if the NCwest once really start to remove the bots and try to clean totally the server, they have to do it step by step, because if they do it under 1-2 days, it will huge economical crisis at many players.
but help a bit to make better the economic system, that they take to the market materials, crystals etc.
He's basically justifying botting because, without it, the economy on the servers woul have long collapsed.
what crystals?? .. (for example) like dark/earth/fire etc ... wrong , price of this is 5kk and I have not seen any change in last ~2 years
what materials ^^
the economy on the servers is already collapsed
i have new toon, and with my last adena from last toon (before linvior) I purchased low R armors and weapon standard. the new toon is 93 now, and stil dont have adena for Tw or Apo, i dont want to think how much adena i need for R95, and that toon grow fast.
i tell u how the economy work with the bots:
- bots farm all day long, pick up everything, and the owner sell materials to grocer and keep adena
- bots farm important raids like quen ants, zaken etc for epics
- owner put the epics on AH with huge price and if u need to buy epics first u need to buy adena from the bots owners (RMT)
i know that because a friend of mine tried in the past to that (bots). he failed. NC ban that train. on the other hand other old train of bots are stil there at this moment. Way NC ban his bots ... because ... (1) he has not "donated" anything to NC, (2)he tryed to take some other old bots territory
and dont tell me botting make better the economic system.
here on NCwest from lvl 85 to 93 I gathered ~150 ... 250kk from drop and daily instances (pick up every drop from all monsters that I killed)
just for curiosity. make an account on l2 europe, go to AH and see what price have armors/weapons/materials and epics there ... ~900kk antharas/valakas 1 month ago.
But they would need a proper anti cheater program, without it, it won't work. Bots will return in big number.
if they ban bots every day, bots will never return again. why? because for every account u want to bot (fot trains) u need to pay some $ / mounth. if i ban u (not mean LordOfSpoil), u must be stupid to pay again and again for new acount.
So if the NCwest once really start to remove the bots and try to clean totally the server, they have to do it step by step, because if they do it under 1-2 days, it will huge economical crisis at many players.
1st question is why NCwest permitted that to happen ... mean alowed botting
2nd if theyban 50/100 ppl/ day including 20-30 99 lvl ppl and including bots trains owners, i am shure in 2-3 months the economy will be grate.
cheers again
what crystals?? .. (for example) like dark/earth/fire etc ... wrong , price of this is 5kk and I have not seen any change in last ~2 years
what materials ^^
the economy on the servers is already collapsed
i have new toon, and with my last adena from last toon (before linvior) I purchased low R armors and weapon standard. the new toon is 93 now, and stil dont have adena for Tw or Apo, i dont want to think how much adena i need for R95, and that toon grow fast.
i tell u how the economy work with the bots:
- bots farm all day long, pick up everything, and the owner sell materials to grocer and keep adena
- bots farm important raids like quen ants, zaken etc for epics
- owner put the epics on AH with huge price and if u need to buy epics first u need to buy adena from the bots owners (RMT)
i know that because a friend of mine tried in the past to that (bots). he failed. NC ban that train. on the other hand other old train of bots are stil there at this moment. Way NC ban his bots ... because ... (1) he has not "donated" anything to NC, (2)he tryed to take some other old bots territory
and dont tell me botting make better the economic system.
here on NCwest from lvl 85 to 93 I gathered ~150 ... 250kk from drop and daily instances (pick up every drop from all monsters that I killed)
just for curiosity. make an account on l2 europe, go to AH and see what price have armors/weapons/materials and epics there ... ~900kk antharas/valakas 1 month ago.
if they ban bots every day, bots will never return again. why? because for every account u want to bot (fot trains) u need to pay some $ / mounth. if i ban u (not mean LordOfSpoil), u must be stupid to pay again and again for new acount.
1st question is why NCwest permitted that to happen ... mean alowed botting
2nd if they and including bots trains owners, i am shure in 2-3 months the economy will be grate.
cheers again
Makes sense...
Attack a bot in EG and see who comes running. Today is was a FS toon. Yesterday it was a Nova toon. Every "legit" clan or "peoples" clan on every server does it. The sad part is NC actually posted in other areas of forumns that they wanted intel on things!
Um, NC, how bout u log in on a NON GM toon and go look around. U actually ask us for help, when anyone with any experience in L2 can pick out bots without error.
I find it hard to understand how anyone with any authority at all can miss it.
The other issues is the "send us proof" attitude. We wouldnt have to if GM's would just do as i suggested above. Why do we need to do thier job anyway? They have to much to do? Then why make it even harder to identify a bot? Seems to me that in the end there is one cold fact we all need to accept.
Bots and nonlegit toons will always be here since it wasnt handled well from the start. There isnt a thing a legit player can do and reporting it is a joke.
And since those who can do anything about this prob either will delete this reply or not even read it, its all a useless thread anyway.
Very few players left with any integrity anymore so GL all.
give me ban powers for a week... All I ever asked Spam when he was head GM. There was a time when he actually did clean up the old Bartz server. I hounded him for months do do something. He eventually met with me in game and banned the major farming company operating at the time with all their adenas and raid boss drops. Now with spam gone I never seem to talk to a GM that cares or takes any interest in concerns. I talked to one guy who said he was the head GM and I have never seen his name anywhere on the site. Who is the Head GM now? I have a bone to pick with him/her.
How do you know that some gm's or L2 associated employees are not involved in the bot trade? It's all too easy to make real life money botting and who watches the watchers?
If theres something at 6 billion adena is a problem of:
Economy Inflation + The rarity of the item
Without Bots there couldnt be any adena inflation made from the continous flux of hundred of bots feeding particular players/guilds which usually are the top tiers of every server (Check it for yourself), prices would fall dramatically and all the server would have more facility to get the item, theres just too much adena everywhere and there will be even more, with time some items will cost no 6, but 60 billions and that is going to be "normal"
In this particular case we will see an increase also on all the items but generally this kind of inflation makes the game less enjoyable for the legit player.
Theres also the other point of the rarity of the item, most players think all the items must be obtained and theres an insane need of being the "very best player ever" that generally leads to people complain about "I cant buy that think" "Oh my god when will i be able to get my Full Dark Amaranthine set" and etc. Items dont need to be hard to obtain, items need to be extremely hardcore to get, the more easier you get something, the less challenger gamer sense it have. We see the bots problem coming right now and having huge impact here, as the more bots the easier a top tier player/guild would be able to have the adena to buy/make it. Creating the so common topic nowadays everybody speaks and only the game staff responsible of the game can solutionate:
Disbalance caused because an illegit gaming without retribution
But i really doubt the staff cares about this, the only objective they may have as a company distributing a 9 years old game is to maximize profits, banning people may had a negative result on their numbers and that would be bad. I personally wouldnt ban anyone if i worked there, put yourselves in the place of them, if you know you may lose money would you do it ? The answer is no.
To close the topic if you want to play legit and in a challenging legit environment i highly recommend to not play here.
Lol inside in lair of antharas have up to 200 bot party .
I try to kill some with my yul but i kill one and after 1 sec another healer make it rez and after 10 sec they are with full buffs again .
I try it 10 min i pick up to 10000000 karma and i do nothing all the chars is up .
Bots is good in 1 way bad in other. I strictly against PVP programs.
Im 100% up for farming bots imo 6 bilions just to buy 2ond sa ? u serious ? :D imagine you need farm this with your hands ? ) And then will be new QQs again.
But as i said Autopvp stuff should be baned imediately. Because those automated toons destroyoing all concept why we play here.
And i don't even want to know how much adena is already farmed by pplz who was able to make 2-4 bilion/ day for last year :D. In tullys loa locations. 62-120bil x12 :) some pplz have just like XXXX bilions in their warehouse. :D Yah .. hands won't help here ). And this item broker.. :D selling tauti weapon. just like that. guess who buy those weapons ? )
Friend Jacky , if you have 1 party for boting is not big deal .
But some guys have 20-30 party .
Lair of antharas farming up to 100 full party's and all that is from 2 clans ?
That its insane .
I know about myself, that I can farm out the R99 double SA or any stuffs.
But I know well, that most of people wouldn't able to do it for different reasons.
2nd SA is an extreme good example. Take a look, how much Adena drop a mob and count how much Adena you farm there under 30 mins. Than take this R gemstone amount what is cost like 5 billions of Adena.
Bots at least currently help decrease the price of another items and take new items to the market, what with you can make businesses to get more Adena.
So if the NCwest once really start to remove the bots and try to clean totally the server, they have to do it step by step, because if they do it under 1-2 days, it will huge economical crisis at many players.
Simple .
You ban all the bots and you increase the drop rate .
NClazy needs to block all new character/account creations like they did but this time do it for a month at least .THEN go on a banning spree. And in the middle of that have an event. that way the cheats cant cheat even more than they do and the legits will have a chance at something. That WILL show progress. . And if all is QQ about the economy going to crap. just go to a major castle siege and BAN those script users. so ALL top players have to get new gear as well. And let them Fix the economy. They are the ones who screwed it up in the first place. The Chinese farmers are the LEAST of the problem.
At that time we had a farming Clan that was run by FinalBoss. He supposedly was Chinese But as far as I remember they did not Bot. They did farm like crazy by using Chinese people (alot of them kids and women) that were paid dollars per day.
I believe they sold Adena and items...I don't think they sold toons.
I never minded them because there was a real person behind the toon. If you killed that toon in a fight there was a chance the loser would drop some equipment. Most of the toons weren't great at PvsP but there were a few archers (with Chinese names ) that were very good foes.
I think the whole server fought them and I had many a fun night. Then one day FinalBoss was banned and his clan was eliminated from the server. I believe it was accomplished by the new North American RMT guys that saw a great opportunity for profit. They petitioned NC and NC reacted.
Then the botting started in earnest and the server was never the same.
As far as botters helping the Economy...no they just help themselves. I don't know why NC caters to then with the PK systen and low adena drops and low mat drops. it really makes no sense...and that is why many believe of NC North America having some vested interest in the shenanigans.
A legit player just can't keep killing the same mob 24/7 for days on end to get a few items to have a chance (60%) at crafting something. NC is wacked.
Ban the bots, ban the script users... increase adena and item drops and the game will grow, Prices will come down to where most people can afford the items not just the botters and ebayers.
Keep on going down this road and the only players will be Bots and Script users... and maybe guys that try to pass themselves off as girls ....lol.