Ya know if you think about it GoD was a good lesson for the Lineage series. From polls the majority of people want to have "the classic L2" and prefer the 34 class system.
It also shows that F2P is a terrible idea if you have a crap anti bot system. Also it shows that you cant have crappy servers and terrible GMs to run NCWest who just apologize when there is server trouble by adding stuff to the ncstore (which you pay for some stuff). If i recall back in the day when L2 was P2P the servers were stable and wasnt as nearly infested with bots as there are today.
If lineage 3 (not eternal) were to be made they now know the course of direction to go towards.
Another point is that GoD taught us that you should buy a copy of lineage 2 instead of downloading it for free. Why? Cas of the **** bots.
Another reason is to actually listen (oh wait Gms in NCwest never listen because they never cared about their CUSTOMERS)
Ya know if you think about it GoD was a good lesson for the Lineage series. From polls the majority of people want to have "the classic L2" and prefer the 34 class system.
It also shows that F2P is a terrible idea if you have a crap anti bot system. Also it shows that you cant have crappy servers and terrible GMs to run NCWest who just apologize when there is server trouble by adding stuff to the ncstore (which you pay for some stuff). If i recall back in the day when L2 was P2P the servers were stable and wasnt as nearly infested with bots as there are today.
If lineage 3 (not eternal) were to be made they now know the course of direction to go towards.
Another point is that GoD taught us that you should buy a copy of lineage 2 instead of downloading it for free. Why? Cas of the **** bots.
Another reason is to actually listen (oh wait Gms in NCwest never listen because they never cared about their CUSTOMERS)
Cool story bro , but i guess the only thing that GoD teached is that L2 in NCWest is dead and we cannot play any longer , i'm tired hell of all those bots , 50 bots in woa/varka/ketra , everywhere. To not mention the lolheroes flaming and acting so pro , wow , your scripts play pretty well , i'd like to see you play with ur hands , i bet 90% of them wont know even how to phisical-hit...i'm still playing here just 'cause i know the server will not close after 1 month like most of the servers does...and GM are kinda corrupted or totaly ignoring the situation , 'cause they got paid from bots etc. for let em run the programs , gz gf gl hf ^^
Cool story bro , but i guess the only thing that GoD teached is that L2 in NCWest is dead and we cannot play any longer , i'm tired hell of all those bots , 50 bots in woa/varka/ketra , everywhere. To not mention the lolheroes flaming and acting so pro , wow , your scripts play pretty well , i'd like to see you play with ur hands , i bet 90% of them wont know even how to phisical-hit...i'm still playing here just 'cause i know the server will not close after 1 month like most of the servers does...and GM are kinda corrupted or totaly ignoring the situation , 'cause they got paid from bots etc. for let em run the programs , gz gf gl hf ^^
The old Gms were chill but these new ones like Juji are terrible. Nothing ever gets done.
The old Gms were chill but these new ones like Juji are terrible. Nothing ever gets done.
The difference between before and now , is that before we had in-game GMs that answer you with REAL answers (at least when i was in teon in C4 was like this) , from GoD we had only pre-made answers and now not even in-game GMs anymore , and just 2 GMs juji/vali , and NEVER active , well done guys :)
"From polls the majority of people want to have "the classic L2" and prefer the 34 class system. "
ncsoft wasted 2 years so we can get the update it was 2 years ago
I also feel some kind nostalgic for the old L2, but what the hell are you talking about not having that much bots ?!?! Every and i mean litteraly every single cata room was occupied by a bot pt. And if you killed them all, the bot protectors logged in and abnihilated you with 2-3 hits and clean the pk even b4 you get back to town. The manor system was completely ruined by bots again. Every single spot that used to give adena was bot infested. And they didn't get banned, cos each of them was paid and NC made proffit from them.
I also feel some kind nostalgic for the old L2, but what the hell are you talking about not having that much bots ?!?! Every and i mean litteraly every single cata room was occupied by a bot pt. And if you killed them all, the bot protectors logged in and abnihilated you with 2-3 hits and clean the pk even b4 you get back to town. The manor system was completely ruined by bots again. Every single spot that used to give adena was bot infested. And they didn't get banned, cos each of them was paid and NC made proffit from them.
Comparing the number of bots today to what we had in the past has grown ******ed large. I agree bots were still everywhere but not nearly as many there are today.
I also feel some kind nostalgic for the old L2, but what the hell are you talking about not having that much bots ?!?! Every and i mean litteraly every single cata room was occupied by a bot pt. And if you killed them all, the bot protectors logged in and abnihilated you with 2-3 hits and clean the pk even b4 you get back to town. The manor system was completely ruined by bots again. Every single spot that used to give adena was bot infested. And they didn't get banned, cos each of them was paid and NC made proffit from them.
They was around for sure ,but not as much as now , and you was able to kill'em anyway , go down there with a pt of friends , clean the room , kill 2 mobs , job done , bot protector come , hunt him down , clean ur karma , and gz for the spot. (everything may be done in 5 mins) , now you take 1 PK point and waste 15 mins losing the karma...to not mention that my PK toon now have 107 PKs and CANNOT be cleaned in anyway , thank you ncsoft XD
Current problem is the **** useless GameGuard, simply now as the L2 is F2P the bots can return and register without limit even if the GM bans them.
To keep clean the low level areas simply need a workable Anti Cheat program, not GMs, but a good anti cheat.
If this works, GMs will have time to hunt down the bigger cheaters too.
This bot issue exist in Korea too since the game F2P at there too from lvl 1 to 85.
So we can really hope, that the NCKorea earlier or later will replace their anti cheat system.
You can play Lineage, Lineage 2, AION, Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, Blade & Soul or in the later Lineage Eternal, the bots will appear and will exist while the NCsoft won't find any solution to solve it.
But probably they must to find, because from now the bot issue is issue in Korea and worldwide too, so if the NCsoft do not want loose profit and loose its respect they need to find a solution.
GMs are good here, I did report an illegal user he got ban it was in this month.
Also if I did write to them with any type of question, they did help me a lot always.
Currently here the NCsoft headquarter the only one who makes mistakes, because doesn't help the work of the GMs with useful programs.
"From polls the majority of people want to have "the classic L2" and prefer the 34 class system. "
ncsoft wasted 2 years so we can get the update it was 2 years ago
So they actually wasted 4 years. When you add to that the amount of money they spent on all those Lineage 2 parties (http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=390&l=666) in 2011, then GoD was probably the biggest annihilation of shareholder value in the history of the video game industry :D
So they actually wasted 4 years. When you add to that the amount of money they spent on all those Lineage 2 parties (http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=390&l=666) in 2011, then GoD was probably the biggest annihilation of shareholder value in the history of the video game industry :D
I agree, coming back to the past may not be the correct move. GoD started being developed in 2009 as you said. The overwhelming success of Aion, whose profits were two times higher than L2', forced developers to create GoD.
L2 team felt uncomfortable and had a feeling of crisis due to this situation and they tried to put some Aion elements on the game expecting to repeat this success. But the situation haven't changed at all.
They must understand that L2 will never surpass Aion success even coming back to the old L2 because L2 was failing since 2007-2008 when the old L2 still was working while Aion started shining.
What they need is to implement features of old L2, but not its all imbalances like the old 34 classes. Just make open world grind a viable option as before remaking all drops from all mobs since level 1, make sure that mobs will drop more stuff as their levels increase allowing players to farm paying their shots as well as having some profit per mob. Bring back the old pk system, it will help L2 from dying fast, decreasing player loss rate.
L2 is fading. I Guess after 9 years they can let this old game die!!
Lesson learned. If a mmo developer does nothing in the beginning to correct something clearly wrong, unfair, and just plan fu..ed up. Move on to another game
Bots rule the server and will continue to outnumber us. This is obvious from my roaming the streets and fields. The Bots are protected by the PK Penalty system, the common player is afraid to go red defending our servers.
I agree, coming back to the past may not be the correct move. GoD started being developed in 2009 as you said. The overwhelming success of Aion, whose profits were two times higher than L2', forced developers to create GoD.
L2 team felt uncomfortable and had a feeling of crisis due to this situation and they tried to put some Aion elements on the game expecting to repeat this success. But the situation haven't changed at all.
They must understand that L2 will never surpass Aion success even coming back to the old L2 because L2 was failing since 2007-2008 when the old L2 still was working while Aion started shining.
What they need is to implement features of old L2, but not its all imbalances like the old 34 classes. Just make open world grind a viable option as before remaking all drops from all mobs since level 1, make sure that mobs will drop more stuff as their levels increase allowing players to farm paying their shots as well as having some profit per mob. Bring back the old pk system, it will help L2 from dying fast, decreasing player loss rate.
Even if there is a lot of irrationality involved in this, rose-colored glasses, an objectively better real-life situation in Korea back in 2004 etc. pp., and the developers know this very well, it will be hard to ignore such an unanimous vote. Right now there might be a similar paradigm change going on in the development department as in 2009 :D
Bots rule the server and will continue to outnumber us. This is obvious from my roaming the streets and fields. The Bots are protected by the PK Penalty system, the common player is afraid to go red defending our servers.
This is one of the things that people were really ****** about when the changes were made. NcSoft limited the training of mops too about the same time as the pvp was changed. Personally, once the quest to remove pk points was removed and they played with the loosing of items when red and killed, they made it so we couldn't stand up any more. It is sad that a game which had one hell of a pk system in the early days and the threat of loosing something very valuable on death was removed / changed to the point where it isn't worth it.
I would also like to point out the complete change in the lost exp that came from death too. When you had to grind for a week to make up for a few kills on a Friday night. Death now has no real meaning except the pvp counter in your stats. :(
Ya know if you think about it GoD was a good lesson for the Lineage series. From polls the majority of people want to have "the classic L2" and prefer the 34 class system.
It also shows that F2P is a terrible idea if you have a crap anti bot system. Also it shows that you cant have crappy servers and terrible GMs to run NCWest who just apologize when there is server trouble by adding stuff to the ncstore (which you pay for some stuff). If i recall back in the day when L2 was P2P the servers were stable and wasnt as nearly infested with bots as there are today.
If lineage 3 (not eternal) were to be made they now know the course of direction to go towards.
Another point is that GoD taught us that you should buy a copy of lineage 2 instead of downloading it for free. Why? Cas of the **** bots.
Another reason is to actually listen (oh wait Gms in NCwest never listen because they never cared about their CUSTOMERS)
Don't expect to see a "L3" at least until 2020, depending on the success of Lineage Eternal, a L3 can take between 5-10 years after LE release to appear.
NC is currently developing an (MMO)FPS with Unreal Engine 4, it will be their next release after Eternal.
Remember that Lineage 1 still is the most successful MMO from NCSoft, Eternal can be another success as L1 but it can also be another failure as L2, everything will depend on how they will provide a superior experience compared to L1.
Maybe the correct direction to be done in Lineage is to go back to the roots of Lineage 1. If Eternal brings a superior experience compared to L1 without losing its essence, LE can repeat the success of Lineage 1. But if LE ends up being going to another direction, it can also fail the expectations of being a true sequel to Lineage 1.
Don't expect to see a "L3" at least until 2020, depending on the success of Lineage Eternal, a L3 can take between 5-10 years after LE release to appear.
NC is currently developing an (MMO)FPS with Unreal Engine 4, it will be their next release after Eternal.
Remember that Lineage 1 still is the most successful MMO from NCSoft, Eternal can be another success as L1 but it can also be another failure as L2, everything will depend on how they will provide a superior experience compared to L1.
Maybe the correct direction to be done in Lineage is to go back to the roots of Lineage 1. If Eternal brings a superior experience compared to L1 without losing its essence, LE can repeat the success of Lineage 1. But if LE ends up being going to another direction, it can also fail the expectations of being a true sequel to Lineage 1.
Lineage 2 a failure? Clearly you dont see how much money this game has made for NcSoft.
Lineage 2 a failure? Clearly you dont see how much money this game has made for NcSoft.
L2 made a lot of money in its first years, but after C5-interlude it started falling and reached a critical level in 2008-2009 when Aion stole the attention of the market(it was the beginning of GoD development, L2 devs felt upset to see Aion stealing all the shine of L2, [but it didn't affect L1]).
In 10 years L2 made between 1 - 1.5 trillion KRW it is a nice number, but Aion almost reached this level (1-1.5 trillion) in almost 6 years. L1 still is the champion 2.5 - 3 trillion in 15 years and still remain strong.
L2 started falling too fast compared to all other NC games.
Today there is some struggle between Aion and Blade & Soul, but B&S didn't steal Aion's shine as Aion did to L2 in 2008, Aion and B&S are coexisting very well so far, both games are almost at the same level when in tomes to popularity in Korea, being the 2nd-3rd most popular(sometimes Aion goes second, then B&S goes second)
Ya know if you think about it GoD was a good lesson for the Lineage series. From polls the majority of people want to have "the classic L2" and prefer the 34 class system.
A lot of people also think that you can increase the number and quality of government provided services while also lowering taxes.
Just because people think they want it doesn't mean you should give it to them.
The 34 class system was unbalanceable. The new change was a move in the right direction but it wasn't really enough. NC should have gone further and eliminated the buffing class because that class only exists to bring us up to the level where we would have been had that class never existed in the first place (the same with soul/spirit shots). NC also should have fixed mages so that their damage increase linearly with an increase in magic power and changed the OE chance for mage weapons so that it ws exactly equal to the OE chance for nonmage weapons and either adjusted magic damage up or rolled robes into light armor.
And I don't understand why Aion was so popular. To me it was a complete betrayal of an interesting concept that ended up being nothing more than a pot spam game. In other words it was RF Online with a different graphics engine and UI.
Why you people care so much about bots? Leave them alone - they also likes tis game! Not just you, legits! The game is fine as it is now. We can play ir for free if we want. Or can spend money on runes or other useful stuff. It's all ok.
Why you people care so much about bots? Leave them alone - they also likes tis game! Not just you, legits! The game is fine as it is now. We can play ir for free if we want. Or can spend money on runes or other useful stuff. It's all ok.
Your avatar is showing what people with any common sense think about your post: "Is that guy serious or trolling?". If you are serious you obviously have no clue how a non-botting player is affected in an environment where the majority cheats and has a huge income, allowing them to easily afford items that give them an enormous increase of power in PvE & PvP. How anyone can be so shortsighted is beyond me.
Your avatar is showing what people with any common sense think about your post: "Is that guy serious or trolling?". If you are serious you obviously have no clue how a non-botting player is affected in an environment where the majority cheats and has a huge income, allowing them to easily afford items that give them an enormous increase of power in PvE & PvP. How anyone can be so shortsighted is beyond me.
Like all this complaining is going to help, lol. I'm just making fun of everyone who's complaining about bots, cos obviously it's NOT WORKING! And yet people still complains, complains and complains about bots, tirelessly... xD While i personally fully understand what damage bots cause and agree that they are not good, it's up to NCSoft to take some action about it. But this game is already old and bots are still there. So, obviously complains are not doing anything. Just play this game the way you want or quit it if it's not fun. But why waste energy on worthless complains about something that can't be removed from game?
Ya know if you think about it GoD was a good lesson for the Lineage series. From polls the majority of people want to have "the classic L2" and prefer the 34 class system.
It also shows that F2P is a terrible idea if you have a crap anti bot system. Also it shows that you cant have crappy servers and terrible GMs to run NCWest who just apologize when there is server trouble by adding stuff to the ncstore (which you pay for some stuff). If i recall back in the day when L2 was P2P the servers were stable and wasnt as nearly infested with bots as there are today.
If lineage 3 (not eternal) were to be made they now know the course of direction to go towards.
Another point is that GoD taught us that you should buy a copy of lineage 2 instead of downloading it for free. Why? Cas of the **** bots.
Another reason is to actually listen (oh wait Gms in NCwest never listen because they never cared about their CUSTOMERS)
BEST COMMENT EVER, THATS FOR SURE, i would give u adena, but ive quit l2 some months ago, because ncwest didnt care.
Why you people care so much about bots? Leave them alone - they also likes tis game! Not just you, legits! The game is fine as it is now. We can play ir for free if we want. Or can spend money on runes or other useful stuff. It's all ok.