Some time ago, when the vitality system has changed (nerfed a lot), ncwest noticed that players weren't satisfied with it and changed it back for better. What about drop rates now?
Obs: No, I'm not asking for "custom things", also I don't want old system back(unidentified items), but like it is now, new players will get bored and leave.
I play on open fields, there XP is better than instances and drop is better than instances.
Current drop system just sucks to those who can't agree to farm on open field.
There is quite a lot place on Naia where no bots and parties can farm. But they simply do not want.
It is their own issue.
But I can agree with it, that maybe the material drop could be better to normal drop and some of material has at all low drop rate like Synthetic Cokes.
But as the NCsoft told they want maintain the prices of R grade items what is mean they do not want, that the new R-grade items appear on the market or if they appear cost much Adena and be hard to get them.
Wake up, you're being scammed. The drop rates were intentionally lowered to encourage the players to buy items from the L2 store that would increase the rates. Basically, NCSoft is doing everything in its power to build a direct pipeline to your wallet. Now that they have, they'll never increase the drop rates again. Never. Muhahahaha!!! :D
I play on open fields, there XP is better than instances and drop is better than instances.
Current drop system just sucks to those who can't agree to farm on open field.
There is quite a lot place on Naia where no bots and parties can farm. But they simply do not want.
It is their own issue.
But I can agree with it, that maybe the material drop could be better to normal drop and some of material has at all low drop rate like Synthetic Cokes.
But as the NCsoft told they want maintain the prices of R grade items what is mean they do not want, that the new R-grade items appear on the market or if they appear cost much Adena and be hard to get them.
There's some truth to this. The Orc lands have some potential, but most ppl 99/99 really don't want to get out and grind. I know my constant relied on Octavis/Istina/Baylor/Balok etc for our money, and now we're hurting. I went from making 500m-1bil per week to like ~50mil per week since we just farm Frint and I do zaken with my alts.
I hear the money is in spoils and crafting now, which is not something a lot of ppl like to do, but it's probably a necessity of the game now.
Wake up, you're being scammed. The drop rates were intentionally lowered to encourage the players to buy items from the L2 store that would increase the rates. Basically, NCSoft is doing everything in its power to build a direct pipeline to your wallet. Now that they have, they'll never increase the drop rates again. Never. Muhahahaha!!! :D
I do need farm and go out of town, and I do it. But I don't find it hard =)
If u are here since 2007 and have no full equips for all ur chars is a shame, no? From that came my theory ;P
Btw, I'm not talking about myself here, for new players up grade their equips from S80 - R - R95- R99 is just a joke. Bots everywhere, economy broken... well, boring as hell and servers everyday more and more empty.
well they could increase crafting material drop and maybe change some drop in some instance .. no one asking increasing as it was before ,but yeah people gonna leave , because for them it is boring no drop , no adena , no fun
If you want to play for free stop complaining about the cost of playing in a NCoin enhanced environment. Why would I waste my NCoin gifting to those too cheap to buy their own premium entertainment. You should continue to play for free dreaming for handouts and pity.
If you want to play for free stop complaining about the cost of playing in a NCoin enhanced environment. Why would I waste my NCoin gifting to those too cheap to buy their own premium entertainment. You should continue to play for free dreaming for handouts and pity.
did i complain ? i simple said my opinion :D well if u dont want gift then maybe don't say buy runes? :D
well they could increase crafting material drop and maybe change some drop in some instance .. no one asking increasing as it was before ,but yeah people gonna leave , because for them it is boring no drop , no adena , no fun
well seems like u spend too much time in forum ,so u confuse complaining with opinion telling ,but yet again that's all u do most of times in forum ? complain and try act smart aren't u ? :D so whatever u say mister smart boy :D
Anyway drop rate really sux , since lindvior update , how long as been...2 months? the only thing i saw in ALL my raids as istina/octavis are just bear/bewr and unbinds...the only 2 times my CP dropped istina i was not home /quit rl
Beside that 90% of the times , fortuna raids doesn't even drop even powders , same as epic spezion or others...the only way to make adenas now is to level up a spoiler at lvl 85+ and train-spoil some spots , reason why , Naia is full crowded with bots spoilers :D
Anyway drop rate really sux , since lindvior update , how long as been...2 months? the only thing i saw in ALL my raids as istina/octavis are just bear/bewr and unbinds...the only 2 times my CP dropped istina i was not home /quit rl
Beside that 90% of the times , fortuna raids doesn't even drop even powders , same as epic spezion or others...the only way to make adenas now is to level up a spoiler at lvl 85+ and train-spoil some spots , reason why , Naia is full crowded with bots spoilers :D
i'm troll ? :eek: or u were talking about that other .. wel if u were talking about other .. u have to answer he might feel lonely and will go emo by going to talking island and pk everyone :D
p.s if u saying i'm troll ,i'm just saying my opinion nothing more :D
You win, I can't explain it simple enough for you to understand... time to go PK some lowbies.
wow easy give up and well i didn't ask you explain me anything .. again i said my opinion that craft materials droping rate should be increase (THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRED TO BUY DROP RUNES ) and maybe some drop should be change ,but anyways people like you always have to prove someone wrong , since as your forum acount about mysels says: Long day reading forums ..so ... that's tell us whole story about you :) so thank you for your time mister smart , emo boy :)
p.s Good Luck in PK'ing have a nice day :)
Now ask yourself this, if the drop rates were adequate level to maintain everyone with shots and gear would there be a need to buy this item?
Supply and demand, they conjure up the supply and created the demand.
The truth is a hard pill to swallow.
You say that like its a bad thing to do with my time.
Sorry but I have to ask, what do u win defending any kind of decision that ncsoft take? We are not here to troll or whatever. Runes always existed and is not the subject of this discussion as well.
Don't think only in urself dud.
My server is bartz, is really dead and I can use Istina / Octavis as example. What will happen with the economy when everybody already unbind their sets / weapons? We will take only bear and bewr there?
Sorry but I have to ask, what do u win defending any kind of decision that ncsoft take? We are not here to troll or whatever. Runes always existed and is not the subject of this discussion as well.
Don't think only in urself dud.
My server is bartz, is really dead and I can use Istina / Octavis as example. what will happen with the economy when everybody already unbind their sets / weapons? We will take only bear and bews there?
wow easy give up and well i didn't ask you explain me anything .. again i said my opinion that craft materials droping rate should be increase (THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRED TO BUY DROP RUNES ) and maybe some drop should be change ,but anyways people like you always have to prove someone wrong , since as your forum acount about mysels says: Long day reading forums ..so ... that's tell us whole story about you :) so thank you for your time mister smart , emo boy :)
p.s Good Luck in PK'ing have a nice day :)
I don't need to prove you wrong... your own words prove your ignorance. Your opinion that drop rates for craft materials should be increase is increased by items above.
I don't need to prove you wrong... your own words prove your ignorance. Your opinion that drop rates for craft materials should be increase is increased by items above.
you said u give up ? ahh u fool us :D ignorance ? again are u blind or stupid or both ? :D AGAIN I SAID MY OPINION :D how long u intend try prove smth here :) besides it is good that u have money and time and spend all day in lineage good for you mister smart boy :D
Wake up, you're being scammed. The drop rates were intentionally lowered to encourage the players to buy items from the L2 store that would increase the rates. Basically, NCSoft is doing everything in its power to build a direct pipeline to your wallet. Now that they have, they'll never increase the drop rates again. Never. Muhahahaha!!! :D
ok, so... are those runes the reason why i only spoil thread all day long? just started playing again after a few years and i remember dwarves getting alot more from spoils than thread, i am lvl 60 now and still only get thread, maybe higher level to get better items or are we back to buying the runes?
We're talking here about spoiling 95+ mobs, not 65+ ;)
Actually the biggest problem really isn't the drop rate, but the recipes missing spoils. example- Weapon fragmetn High Grade (lv4) Upgrade recipe falls only on full drop from Nerva Orc Ambusher (http://l2wiki.com/Nerva_Orc_Ambusher) and Death Worm (http://l2wiki.com/Death_Worm) with the same chance as whole Amaranthine weapon. Very very lame idea. How the are the players supposed to use the craft system, if they can't obtain the recipes for the mats ?!?!??! Some1 at the dev center hasn't been thinking.
We're talking here about spoiling 95+ mobs, not 65+ ;)
Actually the biggest problem really isn't the drop rate, but the recipes missing spoils. example- Weapon fragmetn High Grade (lv4) Upgrade recipe falls only on full drop from Nerva Orc Ambusher (http://l2wiki.com/Nerva_Orc_Ambusher) and Death Worm (http://l2wiki.com/Death_Worm) with the same chance as whole Amaranthine weapon. Very very lame idea. How the are the players supposed to use the craft system, if they can't obtain the recipes for the mats ?!?!??! Some1 at the dev center hasn't been thinking.
thats one thing.. other thing is r95 and r99 crafting.. need same mats for both grades to craft, just double for r99
so how can anyone with lvl 95 char craft his armor when he cant even get close to mats.. even on auction house they cost a lot.. in other words is still cheaper to buy it then to craft it.
oh w8.. u cant even buy it.. it cost more then 600kk upper part in auction, and till 95 legally played 1 char u can hardly make now 500kk from nowadays drops :)
for botters.. the one who are always saying oo no now is good u need just 1 healer 1 spoiler 1 iss.. we know for them is easy and differend story.
And yes i agree with u.. Noone from the dev center were thinking right :)
Any1 who says that the drop atm is right either has some bot trains logged to farm adena for him, or plays at some MasterCard party with perma 200% drop ruines in everyone. Everybody knows the normal items should be more rare then bounds, but c'mon... I haven't seen istina jewel drop since Lindvior launch. Before that 1 or 2 out of 10 times it used to give some ring or earring. Something.
If you wanna keep the drop at leeast make the spoils worth playing FS. Put the mats recipes there with some normal rate, not only drop with 0.00009%
Any1 who says that the drop atm is right either has some bot trains logged to farm adena for him, or plays at some MasterCard party with perma 200% drop ruines in everyone. Everybody knows the normal items should be more rare then bounds, but c'mon... I haven't seen istina jewel drop since Lindvior launch. Before that 1 or 2 out of 10 times it used to give some ring or earring. Something.
If you wanna keep the drop at leeast make the spoils worth playing FS. Put the mats recipes there with some normal rate, not only drio with 0.00009%
Yes, all is fine. I pay for my level of entertainment and I would like it to last longer than I need it. Working as intended.
i dont know what to say about this post really but i feel this is sad.you are not paying for your level of entairtainment nor this game is fun in any way end game.
With that attitude you are being the favorite costumer of every company in the world,in a game with no time limits or limits whatsoever were byllying is at its best.you only feel good because you spent so much time into the game that you actually live for it.you are addicted to the bone and/or cant distinguish when a company builds a healthy environment for the players.
free to play and pay to win are totally different and the company needs to be carefull not to overdo it with things you can aquire by paying and things you can by not.what bugs me the most is someone that doesnt have profits from it actually defending such a system in every occasion.
and before you ask me why am i still playing im only an 85 immortal geared i wanted to try a class out and i see myself bored already after 3-4 days,so you can tell were this is going.
sorry for the long text and no hard feelings.
This goes hand in hand with what is going on buy rune or prestige pack , or the vit. items . It is all wrong have bought both they are not worth it drop rate still bad with 100% rune , xp is a little better but burns vit way to fast. So neither is a god option . They say play truly free , but They do not say compete truly free ya have to pay for that . And I find them posting about real money transactions and 3rd party bot programs very funny all things considered.:mad:
Wake up, you're being scammed. The drop rates were intentionally lowered to encourage the players to buy items from the L2 store that would increase the rates. Basically, NCSoft is doing everything in its power to build a direct pipeline to your wallet. Now that they have, they'll never increase the drop rates again. Never. Muhahahaha!!! :D
You got that right. Same with vitality. What next adrena in NCStore?
You got that right. Same with vitality. What next adrena in NCStore?
It's coming, I've been saying it for over a year. This game has become a money sink. I knew it would be less than 3 months when I would start to see complaints and lack of adena because no easy drops. The game was like this before F2P,but the spoil and drop rates weren't this harsh. Events aren't even adena makers anymore since they all involve the L2 store.
Hell even put a recipe pack on the ingame store i would pay $$ to ncsoft to get the basic material recipes. My Maestro is useless, i can't even craft B-S grade weapons to earn adena
anymore, cause its impossible to get the recipes. No clue how anyone is ever gonna
afford R95/R99 armor when no one can craft the stuff; even the 200% drop rate runes are
useless, at least give me the ability to spoil the recipes with my Othello Fortune Seeker.
Though even the my spoiler is a joke, because nothing useful spoils anymore, i'm stuck playing the auction house to earn money to spend more money then a set of boss jewels
to get R95/R99 weapons/armors.
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I hear the money is in spoils and crafting now, which is not something a lot of ppl like to do, but it's probably a necessity of the game now.
And that is why Lindvior is a complete failure.
The spoiling idea was a terrible idea from the getgo. In order for crafting to work, all the components needed for crafting need to be openly available to everyone which means that if one class have a higher chance of getting those drops than another class then the drop system is a complete failure. Since that is the case with L2 then L2's crafting system is a complete failure.
Making weapons crystalizeable into things other than just crystals was also a terrible idea because there are already too few weapons dropping.
Creating an incentive for the richest players to try +6 armor when not enough armor is dropping screws over the poorer players.
All of Lindvior was designed to screw over the poorest players which the richer players who already got their armor from GoD were only too happy to see happen because this meant it would be easier for them to remain on top (150 million on my server even though immortal is like 30 mil, and twilight heavy is 60 million) of the poorer players who now will require a lot more time to even get a single +0 twilight leather armor top, nevermind r95 or r99.
If the only characters I enjoy playing and I only have alittle bit of time to play so I can only set aside time for what I can enjoy playing then it does me no good if something is spoiler because I don't now nor never will play a spoiler cause quite frankly I don't have the time for it nor should I be forced to make the time when the point of a video game is having fun and not sitting down to start a second job.
If you want to play for free stop complaining about the cost of playing in a NCoin enhanced environment. Why would I waste my NCoin gifting to those too cheap to buy their own premium entertainment. You should continue to play for free dreaming for handouts and pity.
I see you aren't even vaguely worried about the slippery slope here.
If you start caving and in buying stuff from NC when they change the game to force you to purchase additional stuff for money then they have an incentive to gut even more out of the game and make you pay even more to get back what you used to get gratis.
If you keep caving in you'll eventually have to pay $200 per month to get the same experience you used to get for $14.95 when L2 required a sub.
We need to draw the line somewhere and tell NC that this isn't acceptible behavior. If they need to go back to a sub then maybe they should.
Lindvior drop rate is a standard/low hard difficulty for my point of view in general. The Dragon Weapons is a medium hardcore/high hardcore challenge.
The major problem we can see here is the growing disbalance the cheaters make everyday with their bots and RMT in comparision with the legit players.
New players almost always when starting a game are legit towards it, in this case we can see like 30% of them dropping because of no attractive in the product, other 50% dropping because of the disbalance they see in the Lineage 2 game world and a 20% who either start using cheats or actually legit players who like the game enough to continue playing even in this situation.
Game is good, its non-legit community is not.
Three examples of possible scenarios in any MMO
1) Legit control and a few cheaters
2) Legits and cheaters fighting for control
3) Cheaters control and a few legits
I think is not needed to show what is the situation here.