2: SilentHorrors - Some SH members believe this clan should be first on this list. Let us watch more dimensional siege videos and see for our selves :)
Hard to rate this one really. I mean its based only on PvP statistics?
Then i would say
1. SilentHorrors
2. Renovatio
3. DragonHunters
Reason why i put SilentHorrors in first place then Nova is basicly because of numbers, I don't think Nova would win daily server pvp vs SilentHorrors.
Rest of the clans i am not updated on information.
I guess Nova will win a daily pvp with SH , SH have just 1 or 2 nice pts the others are trash , with nice scripts and stuffs , but also Novas get the same , but they got a by far better equip (they got plenty of R99 red weapons and pvp items as far as i saw in the videos) so i guess Novas are able to win
I guess Nova will win a daily pvp with SH , SH have just 1 or 2 nice pts the others are trash , with nice scripts and stuffs , but also Novas get the same , but they got a by far better equip (they got plenty of R99 red weapons and pvp items as far as i saw in the videos) so i guess Novas are able to win
Who need Red weapons ? ? ? Just All clan go for dual tanks. job done. Noone can win this clan. NOONE. Not even redy red RED wepoans. Simple reflects will own all. And this will be YOYO tournament afterall. So if i was clan leader i would ORDER to lvl up 99 dual's only tanks. :D
Who need Red weapons ? ? ? Just All clan go for dual tanks. job done. Noone can win this clan. NOONE. Not even redy red RED wepoans. Simple reflects will own all. And this will be YOYO tournament afterall. So if i was clan leader i would ORDER to lvl up 99 dual's only tanks. :D
and have a clan full of buff less tanks.....unless you have a lot of boxed ISS
I guess Nova will win a daily pvp with SH , SH have just 1 or 2 nice pts the others are trash , with nice scripts and stuffs , but also Novas get the same , but they got a by far better equip (they got plenty of R99 red weapons and pvp items as far as i saw in the videos) so i guess Novas are able to win
Dude you are totally clueless, ask Nova how many they are online on a normal day and check with SH their numbers. And you think all parties are strong like Martelx party? Nova have good quality no doubts about it but saying that SH have 1-2 parties that are good ? I wanna see you pvp on Naia vs SH or DH.
Discuss :)
top dogs at what... pve, pvp, 7vs7, 1vs1, clan vs clan, afk-ing in towns, trolling, propaganda, eating popcorn, politics, skydiving and so on?
want to see something concrete and not speculation? sieges, dragons, dimensional sieges, battle tournament... and whatever things i dont remember right now.
Dude you are totally clueless, ask Nova how many they are online on a normal day and check with SH their numbers. And you think all parties are strong like Martelx party? Nova have good quality no doubts about it but saying that SH have 1-2 parties that are good ? I wanna see you pvp on Naia vs SH or DH.
It is proven already (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-h7353LPaE) that if we have ~60 online, even 120+ SH cant do anything against us. This Haseo guy may be clueless, but at the end of the day, he was right this time and you were not.
It is proven already (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-h7353LPaE) that if we have ~60 online, even 120+ SH cant do anything against us. This Haseo guy may be clueless, but at the end of the day, he was right this time and you were not.
How the **** can you say this with a straight face when ur youtube movie is only showing pvp scripts?
If you equal scripting skills as being pro go work as a programmer ;)
Dude you are totally clueless, ask Nova how many they are online on a normal day and check with SH their numbers. And you think all parties are strong like Martelx party? Nova have good quality no doubts about it but saying that SH have 1-2 parties that are good ? I wanna see you pvp on Naia vs SH or DH.
No , SH got only 1 or 2 pt good : dismiss one , the one who in the mass pvp never die , and the advol pt. But this is my opinion ;)
I fought several times vs DH and SH when i got the occasion , and against those without red shining weapons i win :)
Who they got of so strong? without scripts and red weapons , just point to me any SH that is strong without such tricks , same for DH ^^
Since i can't give a less **** about SH tricks or Nova's ones , i'm still of the opinion that if you remove scripts and shining weapons (and ebayed equip) 90% of the "mighty top parties" (from every clan , 'cause it seems that every "top party" have at least 1-2 red weapons and lot of scripts) are nothing much but clueless toons :)
Since i can't give a less **** about SH tricks or Nova's ones , i'm still of the opinion that if you remove scripts and shining weapons (and ebayed equip) 90% of the "mighty top parties" (from every clan , 'cause it seems that every "top party" have at least 1-2 red weapons and lot of scripts) are nothing much but clueless toons :)
then how some of these parties actually competed in BT and some won. seems to me there arent that many 'clueless toons'
some might get aid from 3rd party software sometimes, personally i have no way to prove to ncsoft, but that doesnt mean they are clueless without
then how some of these parties actually competed in BT and some won. seems to me there arent that many 'clueless toons'
some might get aid from 3rd party software sometimes, personally i have no way to prove to ncsoft, but that doesnt mean they are clueless without
They got the 3rd place with dismiss pt , nova's got 1st and 2nd place afaik , 'cause Naia and Chronos servers are those with olderst players , so prolly olders CPs and most organized pts , since they play togheter from a long time. Said so , it's kinda easy being so strong after spending 500 euro per month in a game, i don't say they are totaly nothing , but i can say , that without such over ebayed equip (and scripts) they wont be even the half of what they're now :) and sometimes you can see ridicolous hero shouting such orrible things...like ixronos faking to be legit and don't know what scripts are, i guess he is legit , the day he born irl he jumped off from doctor's hands and start running around his mother hospital bed for training in olympiads , when ixronos and naitiri sign in olympiads , they don't join "olympiads" they join "marathon" :rolleyes:
You cannot compare clan from different server. If you want to compare 2 clan they have to be on the same server. You cannot say X or Y is better cause of 1 event every week. Its more than 1 event per week that you have to deal with to be on TOP. On dim siege nova won some pvp, sh won some pvp too, but thats all. Both of those clan are dominating on there own server and since it will never happen that we see those 2 clan on the same server. I dont think you will ever know which 1 is the best except if 1 day they merge naia + chronos.
For the battletournament, half of the match were bug and the best part was the gear/party setup, so for me it doesnt show anything (and the party selection way was also ******ed). I dont know any decent grp on Naia or chronos that is going to pvp with 1 healer.
It is proven already (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-h7353LPaE) that if we have ~60 online, even 120+ SH cant do anything against us. This Haseo guy may be clueless, but at the end of the day, he was right this time and you were not.
Okay, i am not gonna give excuses we all know why you won that pvp but on the flip side explain this ones for me please.
I was hoping you dont want to get the plain and simple facts because you have enough sense in your head to understand this without my guidance, but clearly I was wrong. Also, this was stated before, several times, on the good old but atm not working Blah forum. Don't be a write only person, read and understand what was written.
Once again, in favor of your skills and capabilities: When we were beaten, we were missing ~20 members, so instead of having 60 Nova there to kill the 120+ SH members, we had to deliver with even less numbers.
It is safe to say, that we are 2 times better than SH, but sadly, we are not 3 times better.
I hope you can understand now, and you are not coming back with some stupid stuff again.
I was hoping you dont want to get the plain and simple facts because you have enough sense in your head to understand this without my guidance, but clearly I was wrong. Also, this was stated before, several times, on the good old but atm not working Blah forum. Don't be a write only person, read and understand what was written.
Once again, in favor of your skills and capabilities: When we were beaten, we were missing ~20 members, so instead of having 60 Nova there to kill the 120+ SH members, we had to deliver with even less numbers.
It is safe to say, that we are 2 times better than SH, but sadly, we are not 3 times better.
I hope you can understand now, and you are not coming back with some stupid stuff again.
You are funny, the things you are explaning are just lies and ingnorance.
So basicly when we did fight vs Nova you ware only 40 members as you are saying. That means you had 5.7 party's up. Is this a strong clan for you? If you can't make more then 5 party's for a siege how would daily pvp look like, since SH have as you are saying 120+ siege players.
I am not saying Nova is bad, the top party's in Nova are better then SH's ones but as clan i don't think you have enough numbers to take make us stop going for dragons or any of our daily activities.
Btw we reqruited another constant party in clan so we will be 127+ next Dimensional Siege.
You are funny, the things you are explaning are just lies and ingnorance.
So basicly when we did fight vs Nova you ware only 40 members as you are saying. That means you had 5.7 party's up. Is this a strong clan for you? If you can't make more then 5 party's for a siege how would daily pvp look like, since SH have as you are saying 120+ siege players.
I am not saying Nova is bad, the top party's in Nova are better then SH's ones but as clan i don't think you have enough numbers to take make us stop going for dragons or any of our daily activities.
Btw we reqruited another constant party in clan so we will be 127+ next Dimensional Siege.
Now this is one of the differences.
Nova does not have CPs. Those, who are in the clan for a while now, for sure are able to work fine together with any clanmembers, meaning that the individual's performance level is higher in most of the cases, compared to your lolCPs. We reject heroes, with full blessed jewel sets and +6 r99 armor sets/10+ r99 weapons if we are not sure that the person will deliver.
Obviously, you dont have such a high standard, thats why you can shove it up in ya "popo :D" when you recruit +1 CP. If you look into the recruiting materials, what do you have there? Wrath? LoD? Some DH who goes rouge? Maybe MK? None of those clans could achieve anything, now you expect that when they are tagged to SH, and they have different clan logos, they are going to be better?
Nova is used to have pvp with their enemies in circumstances where numbers are not in favor, like 3 party Nova vs 6+ party of FS + House of Errants. Also, as a quick comparison, any FS/HouseOfErrants/Enmity hits harder than any exWrath or other "highly respected" Naia player.
What's going to happen with Wrath's Aden CH after Wrath merged into SH? 5000€ down the drain? el oh el
In this hypothetical situation the main danger for anyone trying to fight against nova is that you provide enough challenge to entice our retired members to return.
Nova in its full strength conquered 3 servers with the pinnacle battles of 130 nova vs. 650+ enemies holding dion for months vs. the server.
...If you look into the recruiting materials, what do you have there? Wrath? LoD? Some DH who goes rouge? Maybe MK? None of those clans could achieve anything, now you expect that when they are tagged to SH, and they have different clan logos, they are going to be better?
Actually...the thing that make players join into SH , is 'cause SH are the most know bots/scripter users in Naia, in Naia we have 2 "top" clans , SH and DH , go around , and kill a bot. 50% an SH will show up , 25% a DH will show up , 25% randoms/clanless bot protectors will show up. They got LOT of clan bots , Vestoniceans (rip) , Avalanche (adios , my beloved clan , has been an honor fight on ur side back in C4/C5 T_T) , BlackScourge , Angels , Ypsilon , GuardiaUrbana and more , all belongs to SHs bots , Jakudza belong to DHs , so people join SH 'cause they feel free to use bots and run scripts , that's why SH have so much players (to not mention,they can do dimensional sieges , have a dark castel etc, for free) , beside that the only thing you keep see in hero shout are heroes flaming to each others , just like kids , so or they're like 10 y.o. kids , or they're emos in real life and they need to enrage in game (or maybe they're "like a sir" in rl but they like to be morons in game)
Also, as a quick comparison, any FS/HouseOfErrants/Enmity hits harder than any exWrath or other "highly respected" Naia player.
It's not hard tbh...and btw...i'd like to "quote" Belde...who today in hero shout said to chuba "u dont even know the basic of having hero status" , what's this "basic" you're talking about? there is no "basic" (beside they was talking about "heroic skills" which i don't know if they work or whatever in Naia...but we're in official server, so 95% of chances , they're not working) , as you can read (i saw it in a pvp video from davetard and another guy speaking on ally chat) , the only "basic" you need for take hero in SH is register and ask for hero state on their forum...and i bet that they want to be paid also for that , but i don't know. There is no "basic" thing to know about hero status , it's just a flashy aura that you can get by being feed...34 classes , and probably just 3-4 deserve that hero status (i guess the MKs) all the others are just feeds or over $ equip (tyrr GK is a 100 points hero...nothing to say i guess asd)
I understand and accept that this is what you think after you read my post, but I guess you understand that what you have written down here, that has nothing to do with what I was pointing out. No offense, just wanted to clear this, before we lose the track of the conversation here. :)
It is proven already (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-h7353LPaE) that if we have ~60 online, even 120+ SH cant do anything against us. This Haseo guy may be clueless, but at the end of the day, he was right this time and you were not.
aah u wanna talk crap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTwb0K1b0kQ proven that nova got face smashed? when they face normal SH pts? :D
i mean its just bs what u say u can setup a fight vs sh but soon as u make a error u kiss the floor and same for SH no1 is better there
nova got smashed crushed destroyed second time SH came with normal pt's to dim siege
all u did was moving back wards and backwards till we covered all ur dead bodys ;)
o hai now lets say the truth
u won as much pvps vs us as u lost
sadly i count the above video in where our leader said
go watch a movie go afk u dont have to come dim siege so all pt's where broken but hey i count that as 2x win for u! :-*
if i didnt u would have 1 win and 3x lose in ur face, now shoo cus SH isnt a NA clan and best NA clan is and will always stay UPRISING dead clan for years or not
if every clan on every server has same mentality as them l2 would be in much better state they let enemies farm epics to gear up etc.
so ye l2 and best clans are long gone :) l2 isnt even l2 anymore nova/sh/dh top parties arent the same when u remove 1 thing from game this all factors in either u ignore and u say x pt is top or u say x pt isnt top cus of x and y
battletournament was pretty ******** also first gm's say first come first serve
few days later oooh guys we have alot of sign up we extend sign up what for? first come first serve no? the **** u need to extend sign up for? so u got randoms going battletournament
anyyyyyway
uprising top NA clan for their mentality :D and also for smashing all enemies
have to agree on Uprising being the best clan on NCWests servers ever.
for the rest as explained before you can not compare an NA clan with a Euro clan cause of time zone difference.. if you think you can then come to Naia and put your money where your mouth is.
SH welcomes all Nova on Naia to fight us No Problem and I'm willing to go even that far to say that even clans like LOD will welcome you guys cause they like that kind of fights..
Numbers... How come a clan that's losing a war with ~2500 kills to a minor "pet" clan is on third :confused:. I mean I still think DH have awesome parties and good people and everything but usually people quantify those things with numbers and numbers are against them - they are on the negative to at least 2 clans on Naia.
That shiet you call your post gave me a headache just to try and read it, so whatever Sir, sure you must be right, suuuuuure!
ps: the first post was not meant to make a historical check about the top clans but the actual situation. You can argue about the list from 2nd to 5th, thats all OK. 1st is out of question.
That shiet you call your post gave me a headache just to try and read it, so whatever Sir, sure you must be right, suuuuuure!
ps: the first post was not meant to make a historical check about the top clans but the actual situation. You can argue about the list from 2nd to 5th, thats all OK. 1st is out of question.
Technically you can argue about any point of the list. Unless you put all those clan on one server for few months and see who have what war result with whom you can't possibly make a list of top clans. Even if SH won fight on dimensional by zerging if they have the ability to zerg you in the majority of fights and do better score it'd make them worse players/parties but better clan. Cause if I'm not mistaken it's a list of clans not list of which clan have the better player basis. Therefore everything from individual player skill, communication within the clan and between clans to numbers should be taken into account and it's best reflected in those numbers in the war list.
This said I really do think the no. 1 spot is correct and same goes for the no. 2 spot, I'm arguing on the principal basis.
have to agree on Uprising being the best clan on NCWests servers ever.
for the rest as explained before you can not compare an NA clan with a Euro clan cause of time zone difference.. if you think you can then come to Naia and put your money where your mouth is.
SH welcomes all Nova on Naia to fight us No Problem and I'm willing to go even that far to say that even clans like LOD will welcome you guys cause they like that kind of fights..
<3
yeah lods will love it <3 zerging with a full pt 99 sos and kamael and bsoeing to every pt they cannot stand , seems fair enough :p
I also remember 9L bringing 6 95+ people for my level 86 dual + my boxed ISS when 2 of them couldn't kill me alone.. Bloody Swamp.. but hey.. we always trash other clans, but don't look at our own.
I know how this would end up, Nova mby having troubles on the beginnings, but after recruiting half of their enemies to get what they need and weaken the oponents at the same time ... all would turn into the same old way things go on :D
Uprising, that bartz clan that couldnt **** it and quit L2.
Seriously who cares about some clan that has been irrelevant for more than half of this games life so far.
Cool story guys, lets talk about how awesome we were in prelude.
hate to break it to you but bartz only became interesting once people from ICA/Catalyst on sieghardt transferred there and smashed all the L7x scrubs that server had been breeding.
Uprising at its peak would never compare to what Nova had accomplished, but thats to be understood .. they were the big fish in a small pond. Look what happened to all those other clans like Enmity (lol the big bad from lolbartz)/RDOGS/FS/etc when servers merged.
Crushed
Into
Dust
I swear the only reason people think fondly of that clan is they had (for the time) some fraps of high post production quality but very poor content. I mean wow amazing aeze on his archer killing kids in C5 (the chronicle of archers woo woo), spectacular .. smash those blue wolf / dark crystal baddies.
actually from all the server, bartz was very much alive along with teon till server transfer happened and everything went to crap, clans lost ppl, ppl quit the game, many transferred to euro servers and so on but the biggest problem was the server transfers who filled bartz with cheaters and unlegits xD so that made ppl quit. when servers were merged, these clans were already out, only the name was left. sieghartd had some activity, then erica but those were more dead than bartz.
uprising wasnt a clan, it was an ally and one of the clans in there was enmity. enmity and td were the dominating clans, nova was trying to make ally with td, also with stripclub, because they couldn't do much at that time but wasnt enough and it didnt work out well either. nova was good at propaganda but enmity was best, also more innovative . of course now there isnt a single player in enmity that is from the old uprising, you can say lootness is but he is post merges when there wasnt any uprising left. when merge happened, there was like zeruina and a couple more from old enmity left, there was nothing to fight against enmity because only the name was left and filled with catalyst and whatever other server players. same can be said about nova, there isnt a single player from the old bartz clan, martel is a transfer.
and it wasnt just aeze, there were plenty of players that went to other servers or clans and proved to be excellent players. even from the td who used to get beat by enmity.
then we all know, the better players today , from all servers, were the leftovers from before, only the names of the old clans are left, with completely new players
Numbers... How come a clan that's losing a war with ~2500 kills to a minor "pet" clan is on third :confused:. I mean I still think DH have awesome parties and good people and everything but usually people quantify those things with numbers and numbers are against them - they are on the negative to at least 2 clans on Naia.
Numbers is the same reason why minor pet clan isn't on 3rd and DH is , just from a different perspective.You could war SH and have positive score on them too , hell socketka's solo clan should surpass all by that logic since he could war all 5 on that list and have positive results on them. Lmk if I need to elaborate on this , but I think you get the point already.exactly because numbers matter and because you need lots of that to achieve (or struggle for) end game dominance , a 3pty clan ( +- your online last siege ) is a priori excluded . ;)
I also remember 9L bringing 6 95+ people for my level 86 dual + my boxed ISS when 2 of them couldn't kill me alone.. Bloody Swamp.. but hey.. we always trash other clans, but don't look at our own.
Well , that's what actually i call "being a clan" , someone ask for help and here we go. That's a thing. But going around with a full pt lvl 99 full zenged and with 2-3 toons with red weapons in kamael...and than people was crying at me "you kill lows in bloody q___q" when they was actually lvls 95+ with seraph and i was 98 :rolleyes:
Numbers... How come a clan that's losing a war with ~2500 kills to a minor "pet" clan is on third :confused:. I mean I still think DH have awesome parties and good people and everything but usually people quantify those things with numbers and numbers are against them - they are on the negative to at least 2 clans on Naia.
What place do you think DH belongs to? They used to be 3rd place material the last time i say their videos.
Uprising, that bartz clan that couldnt **** it and quit L2.
Seriously who cares about some clan that has been irrelevant for more than half of this games life so far.
Cool story guys, lets talk about how awesome we were in prelude.
hate to break it to you but bartz only became interesting once people from ICA/Catalyst on sieghardt transferred there and smashed all the L7x scrubs that server had been breeding.
Uprising at its peak would never compare to what Nova had accomplished, but thats to be understood .. they were the big fish in a small pond. Look what happened to all those other clans like Enmity (lol the big bad from lolbartz)/RDOGS/FS/etc when servers merged.
Crushed
Into
Dust
I swear the only reason people think fondly of that clan is they had (for the time) some fraps of high post production quality but very poor content. I mean wow amazing aeze on his archer killing kids in C5 (the chronicle of archers woo woo), spectacular .. smash those blue wolf / dark crystal baddies.
Are you madz ?:)
1. Uprising
2. RedSky
3. Unforgiven
4. Unforgiving
5. SilentHorros
6. Renovatio
7. Enmity
8. DragonHunters
Now this is one of the differences.
Nova does not have CPs. Those, who are in the clan for a while now, for sure are able to work fine together with any clanmembers, meaning that the individual's performance level is higher in most of the cases, compared to your lolCPs. We reject heroes, with full blessed jewel sets and +6 r99 armor sets/10+ r99 weapons if we are not sure that the person will deliver.
Obviously, you dont have such a high standard, thats why you can shove it up in ya "popo :D" when you recruit +1 CP. If you look into the recruiting materials, what do you have there? Wrath? LoD? Some DH who goes rouge? Maybe MK? None of those clans could achieve anything, now you expect that when they are tagged to SH, and they have different clan logos, they are going to be better?
Nova is used to have pvp with their enemies in circumstances where numbers are not in favor, like 3 party Nova vs 6+ party of FS + House of Errants. Also, as a quick comparison, any FS/HouseOfErrants/Enmity hits harder than any exWrath or other "highly respected" Naia player.
What's going to happen with Wrath's Aden CH after Wrath merged into SH? 5000€ down the drain? el oh el
I hope you are OK with the answer now.
I don't know what you think you are playing. It's Lineage 2 we are talking about. Without Hitcha and DiegoVargas party, Nova is like any other clan.
I am pretty sure that Martelx in mass pvp gets more kills then any 3 parties from your clan together gets. And don't be stupid about your reqruitment, so basicly you mean that Ashess is very high skilled player? Cool story.
Earth is calling come back.
Providing links of very high skilled players getting massacred.
Funny how some of the Chronos' top players came from Hindemith and nobody is mentioning Hindemith clans. Players like KoHeK, Hitch, Duke, Frankee and Lelee.
Genesiz dominated FS (when the Russian clan was on its prime) more than Nova dominates Chronos atm. Breaveheart which was like a continium of Genesiz give the most competition to Nova for at least 6 months before we took the stupid desision to merge into FS, because we had no clan hall.
Quite sure most of the old Nova members would gladly go back in the days when we were fighting each other. It took Nova 6 months and change in the time zone for the sieges to take Aden from us.
Uprising, that bartz clan that couldnt **** it and quit L2.
Seriously who cares about some clan that has been irrelevant for more than half of this games life so far.
Cool story guys, lets talk about how awesome we were in prelude.
hate to break it to you but bartz only became interesting once people from ICA/Catalyst on sieghardt transferred there and smashed all the L7x scrubs that server had been breeding.
Uprising at its peak would never compare to what Nova had accomplished, but thats to be understood .. they were the big fish in a small pond. Look what happened to all those other clans like Enmity (lol the big bad from lolbartz)/RDOGS/FS/etc when servers merged.
Crushed
Into
Dust
I swear the only reason people think fondly of that clan is they had (for the time) some fraps of high post production quality but very poor content. I mean wow amazing aeze on his archer killing kids in C5 (the chronicle of archers woo woo), spectacular .. smash those blue wolf / dark crystal baddies.
a) back then you were whiny scrub that sat in giran pounding taurin for eleventy hours to calculate the variance in gladi damage and had constant wet dreams about how cool gladiators really are
b) nova similarly was a chew toy that was run out of Bartz in freakin shame
c) Uprising was the bees knees when orm run it, best organized clan I have ever been in and I 've been in a number of power clans since across 3 servers
d) nova only became a factor when script kiddies took over, botted themselves into relevance on dead servers and transfer-trained around to be dominant. At that point every oldschool player worth a **** had moved on from the game
e) game right now is a joke compared to what it was back then.
Numbers... How come a clan that's losing a war with ~2500 kills to a minor "pet" clan is on third :confused:. I mean I still think DH have awesome parties and good people and everything but usually people quantify those things with numbers and numbers are against them - they are on the negative to at least 2 clans on Naia.
Since when is war status something important and show how is clan skilled?
a) back then you were whiny scrub that sat in giran pounding taurin for eleventy hours to calculate the variance in gladi damage and had constant wet dreams about how cool gladiators really are
b) nova similarly was a chew toy that was run out of Bartz in freakin shame
c) Uprising was the bees knees when orm run it, best organized clan I have ever been in and I 've been in a number of power clans since across 3 servers
d) nova only became a factor when script kiddies took over, botted themselves into relevance on dead servers and transfer-trained around to be dominant. At that point every oldschool player worth a **** had moved on from the game
e) game right now is a joke compared to what it was back then.
This guy knows whats he talking about.
Sorry Diego, as much as i admire your knowledge in L2 (possibly too much knowledge if you know what i mean), you have become just a hypocrite... i dunno why u even post in official forums, since L2blah was the right forum for you with all those kids and trash talks about who bots and scripts better.
Yes Nova is one of the top... if bots and scripts didnt exist in L2 who knows where Nova would be.
Uprising, that bartz clan that couldnt **** it and quit L2.
Seriously who cares about some clan that has been irrelevant for more than half of this games life so far.
Cool story guys, lets talk about how awesome we were in prelude.
hate to break it to you but bartz only became interesting once people from ICA/Catalyst on sieghardt transferred there and smashed all the L7x scrubs that server had been breeding.
Uprising at its peak would never compare to what Nova had accomplished, but thats to be understood .. they were the big fish in a small pond. Look what happened to all those other clans like Enmity (lol the big bad from lolbartz)/RDOGS/FS/etc when servers merged.
Crushed
Into
Dust
I swear the only reason people think fondly of that clan is they had (for the time) some fraps of high post production quality but very poor content. I mean wow amazing aeze on his archer killing kids in C5 (the chronicle of archers woo woo), spectacular .. smash those blue wolf / dark crystal baddies.
No offense but you are completely wrong about UR.
No clan that I am aware of has ever maintained the level of domination that UR did on Bartz. For almost 2 years they were completely on top, no breaks, no rebuilding, no hard times.
Hell, why do you think all the top clans TRANSFERRED to Bartz? Also, the Enmity that people are referring to here had basically quit a month or two before server transfers.
Since Bartz was the most populated and most active server during their reign wouldn't it be more accurate to say that they were THE BIG FISH in the BIGGEST POND?
Oh yeah, NOVA uses the Battle Tournament as a bragging point right (as they should), guess who won the first BT........
UR was never "crushed into dust." ICA joined the remaining UR who didn't quit and they stayed on top on Bartz. Don't you remember NOVA transferring to Sayha to rebuild????
Finally, FOR THE MOST PART, UR was legit (as were most top clans on Bartz). Don't believe me, ask any of the original Bartz NOVA (if any still play). Hell, even ask Martel; him, Jordan, Rhapsodia and that other guy who re-rolled before transfers were pretty amused at how clean NOVA was and Bartz in general.
That FACT, in and of itself, speaks VOLUMES about the level of domination Uprising maintained.
actually from all the server, bartz was very much alive along with teon till server transfer happened and everything went to crap, clans lost ppl, ppl quit the game, many transferred to euro servers and so on but the biggest problem was the server transfers who filled bartz with cheaters and unlegits xD so that made ppl quit. when servers were merged, these clans were already out, only the name was left. sieghartd had some activity, then erica but those were more dead than bartz.
uprising wasnt a clan, it was an ally and one of the clans in there was enmity. enmity and td were the dominating clans, nova was trying to make ally with td, also with stripclub, because they couldn't do much at that time but wasnt enough and it didnt work out well either. nova was good at propaganda but enmity was best, also more innovative . of course now there isnt a single player in enmity that is from the old uprising, you can say lootness is but he is post merges when there wasnt any uprising left. when merge happened, there was like zeruina and a couple more from old enmity left, there was nothing to fight against enmity because only the name was left and filled with catalyst and whatever other server players. same can be said about nova, there isnt a single player from the old bartz clan, martel is a transfer.
and it wasnt just aeze, there were plenty of players that went to other servers or clans and proved to be excellent players. even from the td who used to get beat by enmity.
then we all know, the better players today , from all servers, were the leftovers from before, only the names of the old clans are left, with completely new players
You are completely clueless uprising ran the server for quite sometime until we (td) took over before server merges happened it was td vs uprising/nova/Dominus at the beginning of the uprising/td war we were working with nova only because we were a smaller clan compared to uprising and the fact that having all the heroes back then was such a huge impact on the game. When server merges happened h.o.e joined td and everyone that transferred warred us and we were still winning fights/seiges 80v******ed numbers and by this point alot of core td members were pretty much done with the game including myself and that's when quite a few of us called it quits . Nova was nothing I used to 1v9 them all day and uprising wasn't as legit as you think I used to kill their 6-7 man bot group in fog everyday!
Since when is war status something important and show how is clan skilled?
Since it's the only non subjective factor that shows how two clans interact on daily basis.
Oh and before you jump and say your botclan is omg wtf hax best - war and terrorism are two different things. Yours by any definition falls under the second term. It's common knowledge that in asymmetric warfare the small, mobile and virtually undetectable because of the lack of numbers force usually achieve mission objectives relatively easy compared to the larger less mobile and easy to detect due to numbers force. In L2 it works so well only cause death isn't permanent otherwise your war efforts would have been long forgotten.
@Everyone: Judging by the opening post I do think it wasn't an all time best discussion but current best one. Otherwise some clans there on the positions they are don't make sense at all.
You are completely clueless uprising ran the server for quite sometime until we (td) took over before server merges happened
took over? you are pretty funny snakes guy, you took over because people quit. at one siege, before i quit the game in that time too, i remember there was only one party left of enmity to defend at that siege, including me in that party and only one player from original enmity. imagine how active enmity was. you took over the clan name, when was empty, because your leader was so nice with you guys and scammed you all then got banned. ill give you credit for taking over the name enmity in the end, when there was nothing left, but not over uprising.
They started quitting because they were losing every hero, losing every boss fight and daily pvps they couldn't xp anywhere there was nothing they could do they started giving up just like a few td did during some rough times. Things changed big time when the Heros changed sides because of me/duff/ion taking over Olympiad so get your facts straight bra! And what you talking about the scammed stuff? I wasn't around for that I quit like 2/3 months into server transfers and I'm not "snakes guy" btw.
Uprising, that bartz clan that couldnt **** it and quit L2.
Seriously who cares about some clan that has been irrelevant for more than half of this games life so far.
Cool story guys, lets talk about how awesome we were in prelude.
hate to break it to you but bartz only became interesting once people from ICA/Catalyst on sieghardt transferred there and smashed all the L7x scrubs that server had been breeding.
Uprising at its peak would never compare to what Nova had accomplished, but thats to be understood .. they were the big fish in a small pond. Look what happened to all those other clans like Enmity (lol the big bad from lolbartz)/RDOGS/FS/etc when servers merged.
Crushed
Into
Dust
I swear the only reason people think fondly of that clan is they had (for the time) some fraps of high post production quality but very poor content. I mean wow amazing aeze on his archer killing kids in C5 (the chronicle of archers woo woo), spectacular .. smash those blue wolf / dark crystal baddies.
While I can't speak to what Uprising was like after orm & all the major players quit, I think you have a mistaken perception of the Uprising I was in. We quit because there wasn't any challenge, even after openly challenging every major clan on the server simultaneously. We had ~95% of the boss jewels on the server, we could take any castle we wanted, we could take any raid boss we wanted and we would get ~90% of the heroes each month.
The only clan that kept fighting us was TD, and it wasn't really a fight. They would hide in that one dungeon, we'd hunt in IT/FOG (which we barred anyone else on the server from entering) with each side occasionally ganking each other. There was absolutely no way they'd face us in an open fight, they didn't have the numbers or gear. There was talk on their forums about just surrendering, but they were stubborn. Basically, it was really boring.
The Enmity that was left by the time server transfers happened was a shell or what it used to be, I don't think anyone that made Enmity special was still playing at that time. I don't know what Nova had accomplished but they weren't even on our radar at the time. I thought they disbanded or something so I can't comment on that.
Also, doesn't everyone bot now (post server-merge) anyway? Wouldn't that skew things?
While I can't speak to what Uprising was like after orm & all the major players quit, I think you have a mistaken perception of the Uprising I was in. We quit because there wasn't any challenge, even after openly challenging every major clan on the server simultaneously. We had ~95% of the boss jewels on the server, we could take any castle we wanted, we could take any raid boss we wanted and we would get ~90% of the heroes each month.
The only clan that kept fighting us was TD, and it wasn't really a fight. They would hide in that one dungeon, we'd hunt in IT/FOG (which we barred anyone else on the server from entering) with each side occasionally ganking each other. There was absolutely no way they'd face us in an open fight, they didn't have the numbers or gear. There was talk on their forums about just surrendering, but they were stubborn. Basically, it was really boring.
The Enmity that was left by the time server transfers happened was a shell or what it used to be, I don't think anyone that made Enmity special was still playing at that time. I don't know what Nova had accomplished but they weren't even on our radar at the time. I thought they disbanded or something so I can't comment on that.
Also, doesn't everyone bot now (post server-merge) anyway? Wouldn't that skew things?
Aeze
I was in a neutral small clan at Uprising domination era, and i could just agree on this. I think whole server felt it like this, nobody could stop them because the organisation was so good, and i think it took some time untill clans started to copy Uprising and get their standards better, still there was no competition for Uprising.
And yeah it's sad story Aeze nowdays it's all about pvp scripts etc.
Aezeeeee lf my buddy Ormjaevel. You got any contacts with him!?!?
They started quitting because they were losing every hero, losing every boss fight and daily pvps they couldn't xp anywhere there was nothing they could do they started giving up just like a few td did during some rough times. Things changed big time when the Heros changed sides because of me/duff/ion taking over Olympiad so get your facts straight bra! And what you talking about the scammed stuff? I wasn't around for that I quit like 2/3 months into server transfers and I'm not "snakes guy" btw.
they were losing heroes and players because there was no competition, they got bored and quit l2 and in the same time aion CN was there then NA and most of them changed the game. you finally found the opportunity to be #1 (that didnt last long anyway) on a server that suffered mass exodus.
Aion came out in 2009 I quit in 2008 like a month or so after server transfers but before server transfers we were dominating not to mention td was a small clan we were 5-6 parties at the peak of uprising they had over double our numbers hence why at the beginning of the war we worked with others that were at war with them not to mention they were pretty far ahead gear wise. Soon as I made the highest over enchanted drac now on the server we started dominating Olympiad since it was the highest for probably 6-7 months.
aion came in NA in 2009 and by the time it came in NA we played for almost a year on other region. it was plain and simple, ppl quit, you become the #1 for a short time. by the time td was starting to get better, the top players were already gone from the game, including players from td and other clans.
Aion came out in 2009 I quit in 2008 like a month or so after server transfers but before server transfers we were dominating not to mention td was a small clan we were 5-6 parties at the peak of uprising they had over double our numbers hence why at the beginning of the war we worked with others that were at war with them not to mention they were pretty far ahead gear wise. Soon as I made the highest over enchanted drac now on the server we started dominating Olympiad since it was the highest for probably 6-7 months.
Most oldschool UR quit in the middle of 2007, before the summer cause I distinctly remember spending summer 2007 detoxing from MMORGs in a beach in South France (didn't follow to AoC etc). The only one from "the old" UR guard that kept playing L2 at Bartz was mec as far as I remember. You dominated the 6 months after UR quit
Aezeeeee lf my buddy Ormjaevel. You got any contacts with him!?!?
He's on Uprising IRC.
Also, GETDUNKED: I don't want to step on your claim to fame but these people are right, sorry. Before Aion we played Warhammer Online, and before that there was a decent break.
You can see from this screenshot I had quit (along with everyone else) already by summer of 2007.
And how come noone mentions LittlePigs from Lionna back in the day? Or some other old clans like BlueWolves , Star, ThaDarkness and Gorillaz... Those were the power clans at that time in Lionna with decent fights.
I'm not saying they aren't wrong just getting the facts a little more straight you guys did dominate at the peak had way better gear and over double the amount of numbers compared to td which forced us to work with nova who was pretty much worthless!
While I can't speak to what Uprising was like after orm & all the major players quit, I think you have a mistaken perception of the Uprising I was in. We quit because there wasn't any challenge, even after openly challenging every major clan on the server simultaneously. We had ~95% of the boss jewels on the server, we could take any castle we wanted, we could take any raid boss we wanted and we would get ~90% of the heroes each month.
The only clan that kept fighting us was TD, and it wasn't really a fight. They would hide in that one dungeon, we'd hunt in IT/FOG (which we barred anyone else on the server from entering) with each side occasionally ganking each other. There was absolutely no way they'd face us in an open fight, they didn't have the numbers or gear. There was talk on their forums about just surrendering, but they were stubborn. Basically, it was really boring.
The Enmity that was left by the time server transfers happened was a shell or what it used to be, I don't think anyone that made Enmity special was still playing at that time. I don't know what Nova had accomplished but they weren't even on our radar at the time. I thought they disbanded or something so I can't comment on that.
Also, doesn't everyone bot now (post server-merge) anyway? Wouldn't that skew things?
Aeze
omg finally a REAL old player tellin them new nova **** that they are nothing before bartz died out
thnx love ya <3 im sure diego has already posted somewhere how strong he is
but not even nova is nova anymore nova died on server merg also it got "taken" over by random dead server "scrubs" and sucked up more random dead server scrubs and returned to a once alive server but died in meanwhile with full force :D
i think the only clans worth mention are
uprising
redsky
itt
rest of clans will never get close to what these clans/allys had in the past
also comparing this l2 to l2 when it was at its maximum not saying l2 was clean non bot game back then but what its now
press key 1 target half the siege field auto spam pots auto this auto that
Reasoning behind this: Enmity^Uprising is THE CLAN plain and simple. They changed the game for all servers. They made not only the other clans on Bartz want to be them, but all the clans on all the other servers want to be them. They taught other servers how to play this game. They built and innovated pretty much everything we know toady in Lineage through a glamorous domination of the real Bartz server. Enmity won first place in #BattleTournament. RedSky dominated Teon when it was at it's pinnacle and ruled it with a hammer and sickle. Renovatio ever since departing Bartz has been easily the best and most dominant clan in all the North American servers to date. The only clan in Lineage II history that has taken every single hero and they did it twice. Nova was the best clan on Sayha, Phoenix, and Chronos and easily won Chronos after the huge 5 clan merge. Renovatio won first and second place in #BattleTournamentII. SH has always been a very strong clan, but lacks their server domination that the other three listed had at their pinnacles.
Renovatio won the #BattleTournament2 and dominates the server of Chronos currently. Renovatio defeats SilentHorrors more often than not at Dimensional Siege with far less people. SilentHorrors is obviously second. Dragon Hunters, while their top tier can't stand against Genocide in a 7v7 will always defeat them clan versus clan.
a world of difference between Uprising and Renovatio, Uprising dominated when L2 was at it's peak... when servers were full of players.Not saying Renovatio got it easy but servers are kind of dead this days.
Renovatio won the #BattleTournament2 and dominates the server of Chronos currently. Renovatio defeats SilentHorrors more often than not at Dimensional Siege with far less people. SilentHorrors is obviously second. Dragon Hunters, while their top tier can't stand against Genocide in a 7v7 will always defeat them clan versus clan.
Reasoning behind this: Enmity^Uprising is THE CLAN plain and simple. They changed the game for all servers. They made not only the other clans on Bartz want to be them, but all the clans on all the other servers want to be them. They taught other servers how to play this game. They built and innovated pretty much everything we know toady in Lineage through a glamorous domination of the real Bartz server. Enmity won first place in #BattleTournament. RedSky dominated Teon when it was at it's pinnacle and ruled it with a hammer and sickle. Renovatio ever since departing Bartz has been easily the best and most dominant clan in all the North American servers to date. The only clan in Lineage II history that has taken every single hero and they did it twice. Nova was the best clan on Sayha, Phoenix, and Chronos and easily won Chronos after the huge 5 clan merge. Renovatio won first and second place in #BattleTournamentII. SH has always been a very strong clan, but lacks their server domination that the other three listed had at their pinnacles.
Renovatio won the #BattleTournament2 and dominates the server of Chronos currently. Renovatio defeats SilentHorrors more often than not at Dimensional Siege with far less people. SilentHorrors is obviously second. Dragon Hunters, while their top tier can't stand against Genocide in a 7v7 will always defeat them clan versus clan.
I would largely agree with this analysis.
I would like to add my 2 cents, however.
Only one clan that dominated five years ago still dominates today. That clan is Renovatio, This says a lot for the quality of the leadership of the clan (everything else withstanding). Players come and go, OP classes come and go, but leadership makes the difference over the years. Some would say that the reason why some clans die out is the players quit, well the original Nova are largely gone, including the original leadership - yet the clan lives on in the same spirit as first clan that dominated Sayha so many years ago. Clans evolve, if they do not evolve, they die (like UR and RedSky did). This is the mark of a truly great organization in real life as well as games. Microsoft, Apple, Toyota, Ford, and any other Fortune 500 company that has lasted through the ages has undergone many changes in leadership and philosophy, yet they remain at the top. Good management means the ability to adapt. Thomas Edison was the greatest mind of the 20th century, but he did not adapt his business model and DC power gave way to Westinghouse's AC. Greatness necessarily includes evolution and adaption.
It takes strong and dedicated leadership in order to stay on top for so long (and even more to come back from a weak period without breaking and reforming clans (2 years ago)). Anyone from Uprising or RedSky would agree with this for sure. Renovatio has done it longer than any other clan, and that deserves a lot of kudos. This is the reason why I joined, because of organization. I could care less about dominating or winning or losing (I did stay with the clan while it was weak for six months, in case anyone forgot). What I care about is clan organization and discipline, and Renovatio has always been the best at that ever since I saw them on day 1 of their transfer to Phoenix.
I'm not saying who is better, because I think it's impossible to quantify (I think UR deserves a lot of credit for "teaching" the other servers how to play, at an important stage in L2's development and RedSky dominated a very active server for a very long time - however, both of those clans died out in time). But I thought the longevity of Renovatio should be acknowledged.
nova ur talkin about 5 years ago :DDDDDDDDD doesnt exist
nova in that video doesnt have a single guy in it anymore still playing l2 i guess????????? u guys who joined are all left overs from dead servers :D
nova ur talkin about 5 years ago :DDDDDDDDD doesnt exist
nova in that video doesnt have a single guy in it anymore still playing l2 i guess????????? u guys who joined are all left overs from dead servers :D
there have been only 3 dim sieges where SH & Nova fought each other so grtz to all your big ego's & brass balls really..
the game must be very boring on your own servers that this is so important to argue over on a forum ;)
and yes I'm guilty of the above on a regular basis as well but honestly no point to keep up this old discussion without the ability to do something about it..
nova ur talkin about 5 years ago :DDDDDDDDD doesnt exist
nova in that video doesnt have a single guy in it anymore still playing l2 i guess????????? u guys who joined are all left overs from dead servers :D
5 years maybe was a mis-estimate. The truth is nobody has done it as long as Renovatio has. I suppose you missed the point of my post, that it is necessary to adapt. The game's population is not static. People grow older, people quit, grow up, get married, and have lives. Personally, I've went through five girlfriends, graduated high school, graduated college, received my university education, and worked at four different jobs since I started playing L2. That's just me; the point is, people evolve and only a few organizations can adapt through the personnel changes.
Truly great organizations survive:
Enmity has survived, though is no longer competitive.
FS has survived, but only barely.
SH has survived, even through two? banned clan leaders and dominates the 2nd best server in L2na.
Renovatio has survived and stands alone at the top, albeit with mostly new membership.
There may be some more clans that exist still that are old, but not very many of them can claim competitiveness on top servers. Even less have remained active throughout the years.
The fact the membership of clans has evolved over the years is a positive not a negative. I havn't quite figured out why people think that because a clan has changed membership why it's supposed to be a negative. If anything, it's proof of good leadership over time.
They changed the game for all servers. They made not only the other clans on Bartz want to be them, but all the clans on all the other servers want to be them. They taught other servers how to play this game. They built and innovated pretty much everything we know toady in Lineage through a glamorous domination of the real Bartz server. Enmity won first place in #BattleTournament.
I see your bugged AI has skipped quite a few important data cells.
2 questions:
1. What ally on what server did the first successful Antharas raid in NA? (and therefore "taught other servers how to play this game")
2. What team was the only team in the 1st Battle Tournament that defeated Uprising in a 9 vs 9 match (while being both underleveled and undergeared compared to Uprising) and was pretty close to eliminating the future winners?
I see your bugged AI has skipped quite a few important data cells.
2 questions:
1. What ally on what server did the first successful Antharas raid in NA? (and therefore "taught other servers how to play this game")
2. What team was the only team in the 1st Battle Tournament that defeated Uprising in a 9 vs 9 match (while being both underleveled and undergeared compared to Uprising) and was pretty close to eliminating the future winners?
Kami had a few good players in Eternal, maybe 2-3 parties worth. But he also had a b*ttload of former LDS farmbots. So what's your point?
nova ur talkin about 5 years ago :DDDDDDDDD doesnt exist
nova in that video doesnt have a single guy in it anymore still playing l2 i guess????????? u guys who joined are all left overs from dead servers :D
one name there in that group still playing the game with the same char but is not nova. i guess not everyone quit the game
5 years maybe was a mis-estimate. The truth is nobody has done it as long as Renovatio has. I suppose you missed the point of my post, that it is necessary to adapt. The game's population is not static. People grow older, people quit, grow up, get married, and have lives. Personally, I've went through five girlfriends, graduated high school, graduated college, received my university education, and worked at four different jobs since I started playing L2. That's just me; the point is, people evolve and only a few organizations can adapt through the personnel changes.
Truly great organizations survive:
Enmity has survived, though is no longer competitive.
FS has survived, but only barely.
SH has survived, even through two? banned clan leaders and dominates the 2nd best server in L2na.
Renovatio has survived and stands alone at the top, albeit with mostly new membership.
There may be some more clans that exist still that are old, but not very many of them can claim competitiveness on top servers. Even less have remained active throughout the years.
The fact the membership of clans has evolved over the years is a positive not a negative. I havn't quite figured out why people think that because a clan has changed membership why it's supposed to be a negative. If anything, it's proof of good leadership over time.
that is correct but this also matters on who leads it, cus nova leader could have been stubborn idiot and not give away leader and let it die
then maybe FS or enmity would be top dogs
for me the l2 we play cant be compared to what people used to play back in the day im sure some people still play like all used to do few years ago but many are not which is sad but tru
u cant compare these clans with older clans in my eyes same goes for any game btw
always some update will come or something changes things horrible and then people are like but Y clan dominated in year 1900 while X clan dominates in year 2000 sometimes u have to just face it more then 1 clan will take glory of being nr1
Funny that only Nova in this forum claims that they are best and Chronos is best server at the moment.
Chronos is dead and have been since months now.
When Uprising was owners of the server everyone knew they ware simply best. You can say DiegoVargas style. "People think they are best just cause of fancy fraps they had back then". Get real you know i know it, Uprising>All.
Even Redsky had more power then Nova will ever have.
I'm not saying they aren't wrong just getting the facts a little more straight you guys did dominate at the peak had way better gear and over double the amount of numbers compared to td which forced us to work with nova who was pretty much worthless!
well i would just say that Enmity back then was superior to TD.
but when some of uprising leaders stopped,
TD took over the server.
Rapped everything on the server, even enmity.
Then td recruited the remaining enmity (zeruina, randis, .....)
at this time TD was trully strong.
Nobody could enter Hellbound at that time. (with people like giccobe, slickeroo, anthon, rainday, zeru, dt, ...... with really strong gear)
Darktoy got banned, and everyone went on enmity.
the clan was still powerfull but loosing power day per day, people leaving, ....
The enmity right now have nothing like the enmity^uprising.
and i'll +1 martel.
enmity^uprising is THE CLAN that surpassed everything and showed everyone how to play this game.
2: SilentHorrors - Some SH members believe this clan should be first on this list. Let us watch more dimensional siege videos and see for our selves :)
3: DragonHunters
4: Genocide
5: H;o;E
Discuss :)
Not much to say with the top 3 maybe..but H.O.E. #5? we're talking bout clan strength right? H.o.e. has maybe 2 very strong well scripted parties. Not saying RR is all that; we're not; but...H.O.E hasn't been able to even remotely take RR in any siege/mass pvp situation 1v1 clan in the last 6 months i'd say. Daily pvp? We're up every day and hundreds on the plus side total. H.O.E's a decent clan with mostly decent peeps but top 5 strongest in N.A. ; that's kinda funny.
Do you talk, Raagnarok, about the same RR which are unable to keep their castle with insane regeneration against the same ***? And only Nova´s parties have to come to save it for you?
About the same RR which do not want to risk during dark campaign and using teleporting exploid instead?
Do you talk, Raagnarok, about the same RR which are unable to keep their castle with insane regeneration against the same ***? And only Nova´s parties have to come to save it for you?
About the same RR which do not want to risk during dark campaign and using teleporting exploid instead?
he mean 1vs1 clan , i belive *** needed FS to kill them
about campaign , whats this bug? they have rune and i belive rune have no bug since nova killed that npc when genocide was there
Do you talk, Raagnarok, about the same RR which are unable to keep their castle with insane regeneration against the same ***? And only Nova´s parties have to come to save it for you?
About the same RR which do not want to risk during dark campaign and using teleporting exploid instead?
he mean 1vs1 clan , i belive *** needed FS to kill them
about campaign , whats this bug? they have rune and i belive rune have no bug since nova killed that npc when genocide was there
Either reading comprehension is not one of his strengths and/or he's a random troller who hasn't logged into game in the last 6 months or so. Yes, I said and meant 1v1. Let me break it down for you.
Sieges: When we were in Dion castle, H.O.E would have to come together or in close successive waves with Enmity and FS.
Since we've been in Rune, H.O.E tried a few times alone and got smashed. They don't even bother showing up by themselves now.
Daily PvP: You're losing the war; badly; and this is mostly during our Euro activity times which is about half the clan. NA time, I won't even bother mentioning it because there are few to no H.O.E to be found. RR rarely if ever tbh, runs with Nova for daily pvp while H.O.E. runs with FS and Enmity regularly.
Prove me wrong, come by yourselves this siege. I think you need a refresher.
ps. btw Raagnarok just had a birthday so everyone wish him a belated happy birthday. Hes getting older but he keeps making more kids to keep him young :p
Some would say that the reason why some clans die out is the players quit, well the original Nova are largely gone, including the original leadership - yet the clan lives on in the same spirit as first clan that dominated Sayha so many years ago.
actually, isnt the original nova gone as a clan as well, not only as leadership? i remember donny darko or whoever was the leader in that time, getting banned with a bunch of other clan mates, gm refused to transfer leadership and they created renovatio from zero on another server, some transferred and others banned started from zero as well.
Either reading comprehension is not one of his strengths and/or he's a random troller who hasn't logged into game in the last 6 months or so. Yes, I said and meant 1v1. Let me break it down for you.
Sieges: When we were in Dion castle, H.O.E would have to come together or in close successive waves with Enmity and FS.
Since we've been in Rune, H.O.E tried a few times alone and got smashed. They don't even bother showing up by themselves now.
Daily PvP: You're losing the war; badly; and this is mostly during our Euro activity times which is about half the clan. NA time, I won't even bother mentioning it because there are few to no H.O.E to be found. RR rarely if ever tbh, runs with Nova for daily pvp while H.O.E. runs with FS and Enmity regularly.
Prove me wrong, come by yourselves this siege. I think you need a refresher.
good times at siege today. thanks for the fun!
I'd say you got your refresher.
You showed up with enmity and fs and managed to get the outer door; then 1 crystal down on the second push before our ally showed up. We did get that 1v1 after that however and what would be the proper word when 1 clan meets another 1 clan and gets routed right off the field 4 times (with accompanying pr's, the bsoes, the random stragglers getting runned down)?
gf tho. was a lot of fun. keep it up!
#5 up for grabs!
rr scared to pvp on dark company in past and its only know bug users on server, that spam expel outside non stop at dark company, to avoid lost castle
Only + crp points that rr have is from that spy in h o e
in equal fights, they lost in 99%
only rr pro is at kill 93+ ppl in sh3 with full 99 lvl party and camp swampland port and still got few + days and happy lol
Im realy not care about points because i fight ppl every day and know who is who, so less talk more pvp instead run in hide and expel h o e like you did yesterday at rune castle again
yesterday at siege we had help only at 1st push, after this we crush all rr force and destroy crystal with h o e only forces, only wins rr get after h o e had not rez (you call nova like 3-4 times to kill us and our flags, so we havent rez after), so yes its not easy for us with less count of ppl and non stop rez kill such amount of rr ppl
PS stop lie/propaganda about that person, who you call scammer, again - less qq more pvp
Not much to say with the top 3 maybe..but H.O.E. #5? we're talking bout clan strength right? H.o.e. has maybe 2 very strong well scripted parties. Not saying RR is all that; we're not; but...H.O.E hasn't been able to even remotely take RR in any siege/mass pvp situation 1v1 clan in the last 6 months i'd say. Daily pvp? We're up every day and hundreds on the plus side total. H.O.E's a decent clan with mostly decent peeps but top 5 strongest in N.A. ; that's kinda funny.
H o E here, because we fight and not lick any ***, but you cant know it, because only you see is Novas ***
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Yesterday RR won the siege. Good fight. Personally I enjoyed it.
But lets be more serious and stop the propaganda:
a) FS were present only during breaking of the main gate
b) Emnity too. And to be honest I saw less than 1 party of Emnity
c) as clan vs clan concerns RR were losing in the first half of CS and again only Nova saved their castle. On other hand in the second half of CS RR were winners
And seriously stop exploiting during dark campaigns...
It is proven already (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-h7353LPaE) that if we have ~60 online, even 120+ SH cant do anything against us. This Haseo guy may be clueless, but at the end of the day, he was right this time and you were not.
Sorry to change the topic, but, I clicked to watch the video and all I noticed was a disgusting allowed use of 3rd party programs in 1 single video!
From what I could notice:
01:50 - picks target from 3rd party program, and gets lost about where the target is on screen
02:12 - runs forward and picks target from behind (without even seeing them in screen - just turns the screen 5 seconds later)
02:45 - changing target without the "target bubble" (that one: "(*)charname(*)" even showing on top of characters
02:52 - runs forward and picks target from behind (without even seeing them in screen - PICKS A TARGET BEHIND A PILLAR!! ROFL)
03:04 - picks a target while clicking the floor to move (psychic powahrs!!)
04:20 - picks target from 3rd party program, located out of edge of screen (at the left side)
04:28 - picks target from 3rd party program, located out of edge of screen (at the behind)
04:51 - picks target from 3rd party program, located out of edge of screen (at the behind)
04:59 - picks target from 3rd party program, located out of edge of screen (at the behind)
05:23 - picks target from 3rd party program, located out of edge of screen (at the behind)
05:37 - changing target without the "target bubble" (that one: "(*)charname(*)" even showing on top of characters (this repeats a lot along the movie)
06:00 - picks targets from left side of screen, but keeps screen turned to other side
06:29 - picks target from 3rd party program, located out of edge of screen (at the behind)
06:55 - picks a target from OUTSIDE of screen sight... ROFL2
09:22 - clicks skills from 3 different skillbars... Constantly... No, no1 has this sort of fast coordination (specially if you also include in that list of actions, the mouse clicks and câmera control)... ROFL3
Stopped here, got tired of so many illegal proofs.. Made me puke :)
Fact: since players post videos on youtube using 3rd party programs, with no fear at all of being banned, its a proof that NCSoft acknowledges the use of such things.. Sad.
Yesterday RR won the siege. Good fight. Personally I enjoyed it.
But lets be more serious and stop the propaganda:
a) FS were present only during breaking of the main gate
b) Emnity too. And to be honest I saw less than 1 party of Emnity
c) as clan vs clan concerns RR were losing in the first half of CS and again only Nova saved their castle. On other hand in the second half of CS RR were winners
And seriously stop exploiting during dark campaigns...
Interesting comments.
Again you needed FS/Enmity (1 party right...), then clan versus clan, you bumrushed the 1 crystal to get it down; never touched the outer doors. Then you got routed off the field 4 times in a row clan versus clan. Call that a draw if that's what floats your boat.
and seriously, what exploit are u referring to??? The one that made H.O.E. not show up during tax campaign?
u want propaganda, here's a nice piece.
rr scared to pvp on dark company in past and its only know bug users on server, that spam expel outside non stop at dark company, to avoid lost castle
Only + crp points that rr have is from that spy in h o e
in equal fights, they lost in 99%
only rr pro is at kill 93+ ppl in sh3 with full 99 lvl party and camp swampland port and still got few + days and happy lol
Im realy not care about points because i fight ppl every day and know who is who, so less talk more pvp instead run in hide and expel h o e like you did yesterday at rune castle again
yesterday at siege we had help only at 1st push, after this we crush all rr force and destroy crystal with h o e only forces, only wins rr get after h o e had not rez (you call nova like 3-4 times to kill us and our flags, so we havent rez after), so yes its not easy for us with less count of ppl and non stop rez kill such amount of rr ppl
PS stop lie/propaganda about that person, who you call scammer, again - less qq more pvp
-You got 3-4 parties inside castle before tax campaign started and camped port in. Someone went in hide and dismissed from castle. There is no exploit there.
-You were losing the war before the point farming event occured and you're still losing. Every day. Get used to it.
-after the first push, you bumrushed the crystal to get it down, with an ensuing fun mess of pvp, but you didn't destroy anyone. After that it was just nasty. You got rrolled multiple times. Wasn't even close.
-and its not a lie nor propaganda to call someone who scammed clannies before jumping to h.o.e a scammer. Cuz that's what he is.
Sorry to change the topic, but, I clicked to watch the video and all I noticed was a disgusting allowed use of 3rd party programs in 1 single video!
From what I could notice:
01:50 - picks target from 3rd party program, and gets lost about where the target is on screen
02:12 - runs forward and picks target from behind (without even seeing them in screen - just turns the screen 5 seconds later)
02:45 - changing target without the "target bubble" (that one: "(*)charname(*)" even showing on top of characters
02:52 - runs forward and picks target from behind (without even seeing them in screen - PICKS A TARGET BEHIND A PILLAR!! ROFL)
03:04 - picks a target while clicking the floor to move (psychic powahrs!!)
04:20 - picks target from 3rd party program, located out of edge of screen (at the left side)
04:28 - picks target from 3rd party program, located out of edge of screen (at the behind)
04:51 - picks target from 3rd party program, located out of edge of screen (at the behind)
04:59 - picks target from 3rd party program, located out of edge of screen (at the behind)
05:23 - picks target from 3rd party program, located out of edge of screen (at the behind)
05:37 - changing target without the "target bubble" (that one: "(*)charname(*)" even showing on top of characters (this repeats a lot along the movie)
06:00 - picks targets from left side of screen, but keeps screen turned to other side
06:29 - picks target from 3rd party program, located out of edge of screen (at the behind)
06:55 - picks a target from OUTSIDE of screen sight... ROFL2
09:22 - clicks skills from 3 different skillbars... Constantly... No, no1 has this sort of fast coordination (specially if you also include in that list of actions, the mouse clicks and câmera control)... ROFL3
Stopped here, got tired of so many illegal proofs.. Made me puke :)
Fact: since players post videos on youtube using 3rd party programs, with no fear at all of being banned, its a proof that NCSoft acknowledges the use of such things.. Sad.
Wait, you're telling me Martelx, the first lvl 99 player isn't legit? This is madness!
Ah I remember this happening when we were on Chronos and they owned Dion? During the Campaign and what not they did this over and over again. They have been cheesing it up like this for a while
PS stop lie/propaganda about that person, who you call scammer, again - less qq more pvp
is not true mzinga scammed 2 RR then dropped clan and joined h.oe? how u can be sure he didnt scammed them ? im so sure u know he scammed and it was some "plan" from houseofherrant , so h.oe= scammer clan
and ye less talk more pvp , u will come at aden tax/siege in aden so nova dont have to run to every castle or shout in hero to find ur clan?
And you are asking why your enemies dont come for dark campaign...
lol i allways was wondering what "bug" they was using ...
H o E here, because we fight and not lick any ***, but you cant know it, because only you see is Novas ***
what u do? pvp? where?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqA0qij1KgA this is 3 tax ago when ur clan had goddard (we didnt even come at shuttgart , no point since happened the same) , and before u say we want to sign for all castle bla bla (u never come at aden ) , i will tell yes u kill npc to be free to sign for all castle , BUT why pr instead of pvp nova who come in ur castle?
lol i allways was wondering what "bug" they was using ...
what u do? pvp? where?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqA0qij1KgA this is 3 tax ago when ur clan had goddard (we didnt even come at shuttgart , no point since happened the same) , and before u say we want to sign for all castle bla bla (u never come at aden ) , i will tell yes u kill npc to be free to sign for all castle , BUT why pr instead of pvp nova who come in ur castle?
talking here with you only the wasting of time ...
And you are asking why your enemies dont come for dark campaign...
Ah yes. Dion. That was lol stuff. And I'm sure you mass-petitioned it. I guess NCsoft didn't agree with you.
Seriously tho, how long has it been since we were in Dion? Do you even know how many months we've been in Rune? Do you even play or just post on forums?
I'd understand you guys not showing up back then. Heck, most of our clan didn't.
You guys seem stuck in the past on a lot of fronts.
translation: you're gonna have to come up with a new excuse.
Ah I remember this happening when we were on Chronos and they owned Dion? During the Campaign and what not they did this over and over again. They have been cheesing it up like this for a while
says the guy who'd constantly "glitch" himself through intact castle door during sieges....tsk tsk.
H.O.E. should be recognized for putting up a fight when most of the server would never even consider it. I'm not sure if they should be on a top 5 NA list, but they do stick together and put some sort of effort into what they do.
is not true mzinga scammed 2 RR then dropped clan and joined h.oe? how u can be sure he didnt scammed them ? im so sure u know he scammed and it was some "plan" from houseofherrant , so h.oe= scammer clan
and ye less talk more pvp , u will come at aden tax/siege in aden so nova dont have to run to every castle or shout in hero to find ur clan?
is not true that he was in ND and join RR and ND also talk around about scam but RR not care and now drama started whoa whoa he is scammer?
how about that i think he is fair payer with "balls" that notice that RR is cheaters (dark company ****, beside all other "normal cheats" lol), ppl without honor (set spy to farm crp and claim yourself winners) and nova bandwagonners and just leave RR to fight them, get fun with top NA cheaters Nova and play with fair clan H o E?
-You got 3-4 parties inside castle before tax campaign started and camped port in. Someone went in hide and dismissed from castle. There is no exploit there.
-You were losing the war before the point farming event occured and you're still losing. Every day. Get used to it.
-after the first push, you bumrushed the crystal to get it down, with an ensuing fun mess of pvp, but you didn't destroy anyone. After that it was just nasty. You got rrolled multiple times. Wasn't even close.
-and its not a lie nor propaganda to call someone who scammed clannies before jumping to h.o.e a scammer. Cuz that's what he is.
-so you avoid pvp and just expell ppl from castle at company, when you have full clan online, ok
-nop and if there was few points in+ for you only becasue your 99+ partys farm swampland and sh3, each sieges we made 200+ on RR minimum
- ill not add something to that Generic post about sieges and i told the same before, you lost to *** without chances till we get flag up, so both sides had a rez and you lost crystals with this conditions and get smashed, without nova you will fail even to coalition, stop dreaming
lol i allways was wondering what "bug" they was using ...
what u do? pvp? where?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqA0qij1KgA this is 3 tax ago when ur clan had goddard (we didnt even come at shuttgart , no point since happened the same) , and before u say we want to sign for all castle bla bla (u never come at aden ) , i will tell yes u kill npc to be free to sign for all castle , BUT why pr instead of pvp nova who come in ur castle?
as i mention in some posts before you realy havent clue about game/politic
we just get some castles for 1 week cloaks and after this main target for us drop it (this is why we sign dark side) to sign again for sieges and fun, we dont want stay all sieges afk or watch movies, we want fun and pvp and rune :)
I'd understand you guys not showing up back then.
NCSoft agreed with me but as always they (NC west) are unable to do anything and NC east doesnt care cause koreans players dont exploit :-)
And tell me where is any sense to come when you dont fight and just teleport people outside???
is not true that he was in ND and join RR and ND also talk around about scam but RR not care and now drama started whoa whoa he is scammer?
how about that i think he is fair payer with "balls" that notice that RR is cheaters (dark company ****, beside all other "normal cheats" lol), ppl without honor (set spy to farm crp and claim yourself winners) and nova bandwagonners and just leave RR to fight them, get fun with top NA cheaters Nova and play with fair clan H o E?
batrus u saying even ND saying he scammed ... he scammed 2rr for sure and after joined ur clan , so if its true about nd too , just be carefull and dont trade anything with him , even after years , trust me when u get scammed its really bad . sometime trust other ppl can save ur clan.
u talk about "cheat" but yet u have all ex bregan who "cheat" + deathsmell use RMT to buy PVP dual +15 , full hvy set PVP +6 (and more) from s7orm-shilen
h.oe arent not even near to be "fair" , but lets be hypocritical and claim h.oe is legit
as i mention in some posts before you realy havent clue about game/politic
we just get some castles for 1 week cloaks and after this main target for us drop it (this is why we sign dark side) to sign again for sieges and fun, we dont want stay all sieges afk or watch movies, we want fun and pvp and rune :)
but why PR after u kill npc instead of pvping us? u just kill npc because u know well u cant defend it . nova have aden and no1 attack it , but they dont sit afk farming fame , they run around every castle , this is when a clan like pvp and want fun
-so you avoid pvp and just expell ppl from castle at company, when you have full clan online, ok
-nop and if there was few points in+ for you only becasue your 99+ partys farm swampland and sh3, each sieges we made 200+ on RR minimum
- ill not add something to that Generic post about sieges and i told the same before, you lost to *** without chances till we get flag up, so both sides had a rez and you lost crystals with this conditions and get smashed, without nova you will fail even to coalition, stop dreaming
There's a lot of bs in there but I'll try to answer some of em.
-dark siege hadn't started, u had castle ports camped; we weren't formed up and people were randomly porting into castle getting killed. you don't bat an eyelash at killing your own npc/mass pr to avoid pvp DURING SIEGES/TAX yet you have an issue with someone dismissing you from castle in those circumstances? Really?...like Really??
-I'm sure there is some camping of lowbie spots going on; there always is with ALL clans but just lol if you're blaming this on losing the war. You're up +200 every siege minimum??? Since you like to make stuff up, i'm curious as to what the maximum was? The only time you manage to get on the plus side is when you come with fs/enmity. Then you come alone and lose them all and then some. Just like last siege and the one before that..and the one before that...you get my drift? Now H.O.E did give us issues 4 months ago or so when we had Dion and were kinda rebuilding and what not; i'll give u that. You were up on the wars as well back then.
-You did not take crystal's' down and smash us. You bumrushed ONE crystal and got it down. There is more than one crystal + inner door left bro. Geez, you didn't even knock the outer door down by yourself, you had fs and enmity with you.
NCSoft agreed with me but as always they (NC west) are unable to do anything and NC east doesnt care cause koreans players dont exploit :-)
And tell me where is any sense to come when you dont fight and just teleport people outside???
I agreed with you. Most of us didn't show up either. What's your excuse NOW?
is not true that he was in ND and join RR and ND also talk around about scam but RR not care and now drama started whoa whoa he is scammer?
how about that i think he is fair payer with "balls" that notice that RR is cheaters (dark company ****, beside all other "normal cheats" lol), ppl without honor (set spy to farm crp and claim yourself winners) and nova bandwagonners and just leave RR to fight them, get fun with top NA cheaters Nova and play with fair clan H o E?
You really should just stop talking batrus. You're not doing yourself any favors by staking your reputation (which I think is or was good) defending the undefendable and making things up.
-He's a scammer and you know it. I know you know it.
-normal cheats? Everybody knows RR is more legit than H.O.E.
-It was nova vita who planted a spy. There was no knowledge of it by RR until we were approached to farm it and turned down the offer. A clanmate who was unaware of this took part later that night.
-Again you blame this event on losing the war. I'm not sure what your points were 5 months ago, I know you were up (and i'm not gonna qq as to the reasons like you) but we've been winning this since resets stopped and it keeps increasing. You know what that means?...it means you haven't been doing well for some time now. But yeah, go ahead, talk about the good old dion days, and the dion dismiss exploit. Heck, maybe I'll just wait 6 months before posting again. Maybe you'll have had time to catch up to what's going on now by then.
just curious in this forum i saw martelx video pvp and i dont know but i think he is using auto target check min 15:00-15:12 i put a pics has evidence xD
2: SilentHorrors - Some SH members believe this clan should be first on this list. Let us watch more dimensional siege videos and see for our selves :)
3: DragonHunters
4: Genocide
5: H;o;E
Discuss :)
Top 5 North American Clans, you mean top 5 NCWest Clans, right? If you don't then that means H;o;E is disqualified, DH is disqualified, and so is SH.
Anyways...
As a by-stander, Nova has just as much gear as SilentHorrors; probably more actually - and players that know how to use it (even if some of it is hands-free, not gonna say SH doesn't have some hands-free players either.)
Nova has just as many members as SilentHorrors, but Nova recruits more than SilentHorrors does. As I've seen over the years, a lot of Nova core has quit; unlike SH. SH core has practically been the same for 3-4-5 years. ; so I'll give the "Strongest Core Award" to SH.
To the person on the first page of the topic who said SH lost at Dimensional Sieges; you must not have seen all the videos. There were vids where Nova got demolished, and where Nova won - you've probably no clue what you're talking about as it all depends on video editing. Anyone can make it LOOK like they've won with decent editing. - and if you bring it down to Frag count, probably each time SH "won" ; but none of the videos included a frag count.
imho, 1st place is a tough call.
Lets go through my award system:
Handless ability: Nova +1
Numbers: Nova +1 (nobody likes people that mass recruit imho, so it should be -1. - Please don't try to deny the fact, you've recruited the dumbest of the dumb off of Shilen to join you... I won't list names - Then again I guess if you give baddies good hands-free stuff; they turn into decent players.)
Activity at clan events: SH +1
Mass recruits more: Nova +1
Most frags at Dim Sieges: SH +1
Best gear: Nova +1
Leadership: SH +1
So yeah, I guess nova takes 1st place with 4 "points/awards" vs SH's 3.
As for 3rd place, I'd say Genocide based off of how badly I've seen DH get stomped by anyone and everyone... Doubt they're using hands-free stuff because they just seem..... terrible beyond belief.
4th place would be DH
Is there even a 5th place? I mean there's H.o.E (Chro), RR (Chro), Bregan (Chro), FS (Chro), Emnity (Chro), Max (Mag), Fear (Shilen - R.I.P.), who knows what else.... but I could honestly say that clans from Shilen/Magmeld/Bartz would win mass pvps vs them.
So sad batrus, I used to have a lot of respect for you and your clan. Now all I get is qq pms from your clan members after we kill them. And to top it off you start spreading lies and defend a known scammer. Grats bro you just sunk to FS scumbag level. Have a nice day.
Top 5 North American Clans, you mean top 5 NCWest Clans, right? If you don't then that means H;o;E is disqualified, DH is disqualified, and so is SH.
Anyways...
As a by-stander, Nova has just as much gear as SilentHorrors; probably more actually - and players that know how to use it (even if some of it is hands-free, not gonna say SH doesn't have some hands-free players either.)
Nova has just as many members as SilentHorrors, but Nova recruits more than SilentHorrors does. As I've seen over the years, a lot of Nova core has quit; unlike SH. SH core has practically been the same for 3-4-5 years. ; so I'll give the "Strongest Core Award" to SH.
To the person on the first page of the topic who said SH lost at Dimensional Sieges; you must not have seen all the videos. There were vids where Nova got demolished, and where Nova won - you've probably no clue what you're talking about as it all depends on video editing. Anyone can make it LOOK like they've won with decent editing. - and if you bring it down to Frag count, probably each time SH "won" ; but none of the videos included a frag count.
imho, 1st place is a tough call.
Lets go through my award system:
Handless ability: Nova +1
Numbers: Nova +1 (nobody likes people that mass recruit imho, so it should be -1. - Please don't try to deny the fact, you've recruited the dumbest of the dumb off of Shilen to join you... I won't list names - Then again I guess if you give baddies good hands-free stuff; they turn into decent players.)
Activity at clan events: SH +1
Mass recruits more: Nova +1
Most frags at Dim Sieges: SH +1
Best gear: Nova +1
Leadership: SH +1
So yeah, I guess nova takes 1st place with 4 "points/awards" vs SH's 3.
As for 3rd place, I'd say Genocide based off of how badly I've seen DH get stomped by anyone and everyone... Doubt they're using hands-free stuff because they just seem..... terrible beyond belief.
4th place would be DH
Is there even a 5th place? I mean there's H.o.E (Chro), RR (Chro), Bregan (Chro), FS (Chro), Emnity (Chro), Max (Mag), Fear (Shilen - R.I.P.), who knows what else.... but I could honestly say that clans from Shilen/Magmeld/Bartz would win mass pvps vs them.
1st) Nova
2nd) SH
3rd) Geno
4th) DH
5th) I'm undecided.
You are kind of clueless.
Every fight nova has done versus SH besides the first fight where we smashed SH at their castle has had nova being outnumbered. The Nova leadership core (HitchHiker, iEvey, Martelx) is different from the past, but we retain the same traditions and rules that made Renovatio the best clan on any server since Uprising. Nova does recruit a lot, but I would say that SilentHorrors recruits just as much if not more (having been recruited by them myself). Most frags on dimensional server definitely goes to nova. We dominate our server far better than SH dominates Naia and tbh that's all that matters for best clan in NCwest.
how about that i think he is fair payer with "balls" that notice that RR is cheaters (dark company ****, beside all other "normal cheats" lol), ppl without honor (set spy to farm crp and claim yourself winners) and nova bandwagonners and just leave RR to fight them, get fun with top NA cheaters Nova and play with fair clan H o E?
you are saying your clan is legit??? okay thn, if you want to play like that...
what about the protectors from h.o.e i encounter every day? yes, they are many from many clans but now just about h.o.e. lets take an example from yesterday, just one. dont bother kicking him, they are a lot more like him. these ppl are in every clan, surprise they are in yours too?
batrus u saying even ND saying he scammed ... he scammed 2rr for sure and after joined ur clan , so if its true about nd too , just be carefull and dont trade anything with him , even after years , trust me when u get scammed its really bad . sometime trust other ppl can save ur clan.
u talk about "cheat" but yet u have all ex bregan who "cheat" + deathsmell use RMT to buy PVP dual +15 , full hvy set PVP +6 (and more) from s7orm-shilen
h.oe arent not even near to be "fair" , but lets be hypocritical and claim h.oe is legit
i think there is something wrong and not all true if RR take him after ND tell that, so think its same here, i know lot of situations, when ppl start talk sh`t left and right only because of jealous or emo.
i mean "fair" in novadays conditions (i not talk about ******* users for example its know well in game fact, so nothing to talk about it)
and why you talk about rmt in game lol, all can do that, its not fix your hands and even ncsoft make rmt legal with that tradable items from nc store
but why PR after u kill npc instead of pvping us? u just kill npc because u know well u cant defend it . nova have aden and no1 attack it , but they dont sit afk farming fame , they run around every castle , this is when a clan like pvp and want fun
we kill npc, because nova can protect it, like it was with genocide and we dont want that castle
also most time there isnt good online for us to fight nova, and i think there is no forces on server to stop nova, so what the sense to give you points with kiling our twilight warriors without real reason...
There's a lot of bs in there but I'll try to answer some of em.
-dark siege hadn't started, u had castle ports camped; we weren't formed up and people were randomly porting into castle getting killed. you don't bat an eyelash at killing your own npc/mass pr to avoid pvp DURING SIEGES/TAX yet you have an issue with someone dismissing you from castle in those circumstances? Really?...like Really??
-I'm sure there is some camping of lowbie spots going on; there always is with ALL clans but just lol if you're blaming this on losing the war. You're up +200 every siege minimum??? Since you like to make stuff up, i'm curious as to what the maximum was? The only time you manage to get on the plus side is when you come with fs/enmity. Then you come alone and lose them all and then some. Just like last siege and the one before that..and the one before that...you get my drift? Now H.O.E did give us issues 4 months ago or so when we had Dion and were kinda rebuilding and what not; i'll give u that. You were up on the wars as well back then.
-You did not take crystal's' down and smash us. You bumrushed ONE crystal and got it down. There is more than one crystal + inner door left bro. Geez, you didn't even knock the outer door down by yourself, you had fs and enmity with you.
I agreed with you. Most of us didn't show up either. What's your excuse NOW?
you know that castle owners can go to castle without port but thru the opened castle gate lol ?
...read my posts to elfa above - realy omg ?
maximum was 600 on your clan, if you are so brave we can set next siege h oe vs rr only and will see who is who
again - we destroy your forces without problems and each time you call nova to kill us and flags (so it was minimum 3 times) and with all your that zerg rr+nova you lost 1 crystal, only you had win was h oe without rez vs rr with rez i admit it
You really should just stop talking batrus. You're not doing yourself any favors by staking your reputation (which I think is or was good) defending the undefendable and making things up.
-He's a scammer and you know it. I know you know it.
-normal cheats? Everybody knows RR is more legit than H.O.E.
-It was nova vita who planted a spy. There was no knowledge of it by RR until we were approached to farm it and turned down the offer. A clanmate who was unaware of this took part later that night.
-Again you blame this event on losing the war. I'm not sure what your points were 5 months ago, I know you were up (and i'm not gonna qq as to the reasons like you) but we've been winning this since resets stopped and it keeps increasing. You know what that means?...it means you haven't been doing well for some time now. But yeah, go ahead, talk about the good old dion days, and the dion dismiss exploit. Heck, maybe I'll just wait 6 months before posting again. Maybe you'll have had time to catch up to what's going on now by then.
- explain me then, why you invite him if know that he is soo bad?
- lol, nvm
- ppl from your clan know that and do that, they admit it in some posts here
- i not blame anyone with that and loose war status, its happens, its a game and there is nothing to do realy with it, i not care about war status and always tell ppl go and fight and learn how to win instead pr on sight and etc, i know who is who on server so that "war status" mean nothing to me, and you saw my offer above
So sad batrus, I used to have a lot of respect for you and your clan. Now all I get is qq pms from your clan members after we kill them. And to top it off you start spreading lies and defend a known scammer. Grats bro you just sunk to FS scumbag level. Have a nice day.
sry bro, i want to try open your eyes now - in world lot of ppl that not care about you and me and our opinions and i just wonder why exacly now ppl start qq in pm to your, maybe your clan start camp keltirs field with 99lvl partys? ;)
you are saying your clan is legit??? okay thn, if you want to play like that...
what about the protectors from h.o.e i encounter every day? yes, they are many from many clans but now just about h.o.e. lets take an example from yesterday, just one. dont bother kicking him, they are a lot more like him. these ppl are in every clan, surprise they are in yours too?
as ppl mentioned before, we have lot of ppl from other clans/servers/etc and with different pov on this game so yea...
in this game now some ppl use rmt, some z/r, some bots, this game is made by Ncsoft and its ncsoft set rules, if all this sh`t work and no any punish for it well...
I can only ask ppl to play it legal and fair, but i havent any instruments from nc soft to rule my clan, if ppl tell me "f4ck off", i can only kick them(some times a did that), but how its make clan stronger and bring me to equal lvl to fight nova?
only ways now is stop play this game or play like this, i dont want drop wars and kill mobs around and dont see any good/legal ways for all to grow up
I agreed with you. Most of us didn't show up either. What's your excuse NOW?
I am sure that it was not your intention to sound as stupid as you sound. Maybe you want to reformulate your sentence a little bit. It is obvious that english isnt your primary language so you maybe wanted to say something different.
My question is why to bother to come for dark campaign if 1 or 2 defenders can teleport attackers every 2-3 seconds? You did not answer me. You evad to comment your exploiting. You just laughed at it. Unfortunately you missed the chance to be silent.
And about siege. You have no chance against H o E. You are beaten every time and always 1-2 strong nova parties have to come to save you. Even as such big advantage as defenders you have to call Nova to save you.
It is very easy to test it. We will come without any other clans and you will not invite Nova to save you. Very easy. We are able to do that. Are you?
And about daily pvp. Our 97+ parties never lose against RR. We beat you everywhere. You are able to kill only 97- people in stronghold or swamp.
As for 3rd place, I'd say Genocide based off of how badly I've seen DH get stomped by anyone and everyone... Doubt they're using hands-free stuff because they just seem..... terrible beyond belief.
I really dont understand why people put Genocide to this ladder. Genocide are quitters. They might be good but they are unable to keep competing. They ran away from server with competition to nonfactor server.
They came to Chronos with big mouth and strong words and for a while it seemed they can compete with Nova. But they won only 2-3 big PvPs and thought that it is enough. They thought that suddenly Nova will accept that they lost. But Nova, unfortunately I have to admit it, is pretty though and fought back. And Genocide were surprised that words only did not put them on the top and they gave up and ran away like rats.
How can such clan be considered to be on top?
Its easy to be on the top. What is hard is to achieve or constantly fight for it.
There are a lot of guilds that deserve more respect for their fighting and it doesnt matter if they quitted or failed or are unknown. What is important at the end is the fight and how much you did to take an inch of your enemy territory, all this in a legit way. I wouldnt put in the list any guild with more than 7 or 9 people (depends the update) that are known cheaters who helped their guilds achieve something with their illegal help.
Anyways im going to make a some kind of list where there are cheaters actually in it :o.
Greetings to my friends of (the old) TD, Genocide and Dragonhunters for never giving up in their dreams of domination.
The old TD for giving a fight against my beloved UR who was a pretty good group with a nice quality.
Genocide for just coming out of nowhere in a like 8 years old server and they even managed to achieve second place in a record time in one of the two most old, full of items and skillful people server of the world. (YES, I know you are cheaters so dont feel excited) ((The situation in magmeld dont gives you any point sorry)
Dragonhunters for just being there since the beginning of the universe, fighting and fighting (and cheating)
And a lot more of guilds, i can write names all the day. But basically those three are quite important mentioning for their sacrifice. It would be nice if for a month the 2 top places in each server changed position to see if the current top dogs can handle a month of kinda losing constantly as all the 2nd and 3rd places guilds in their servers.
However, im not going to say all the current top dogs arent bad but just everybody says they are the best so why keep talking about the same. Figuring out a real scheme of the whole situation its extremely hard anyways so yes GZ to all the 1st places.
But remember talking the obvious isnt something intelligent or new. Its obvious Nova actually rules Chronos, same with SH and Naia. Same with UR and the old Bartz or Exile and the old Teon. Its O-b-v-i-o-u-s. Even my dead grandfather knows that. Great news. Im deeply shocked.
At the time of making a list we need to consider that dominate and being the best are different things
PD: Livin Legends of Bartz was the best guild ever :D Position 1 2 3 4 and 5
we kill npc, because nova can protect it, like it was with genocide and we dont want that castle
also most time there isnt good online for us to fight nova, and i think there is no forces on server to stop nova, so what the sense to give you points with kiling our twilight warriors without real reason...
u have to decide if u want fun and pvp or no .
also how nova can protect npc if we dont have ress and u have respawn every 30sec? :/
I really dont understand why people put Genocide to this ladder. Genocide are quitters. They might be good but they are unable to keep competing. They ran away from server with competition to nonfactor server.
They came to Chronos with big mouth and strong words and for a while it seemed they can compete with Nova. But they won only 2-3 big PvPs and thought that it is enough. They thought that suddenly Nova will accept that they lost. But Nova, unfortunately I have to admit it, is pretty though and fought back. And Genocide were surprised that words only did not put them on the top and they gave up and ran away like rats.
How can such clan be considered to be on top?
We are put on this list because regardless of what happened on chronos and how things turned out (everyone with half a brain knows this) we are still better than most of the clans on any server. We accomplish things that a lot of clans can't with our numbers. You can throw your propaganda around like it matters but anyone with half a brain knows how chronos turned out the way it is. TBH we are nothing but flattered that some people had to go to the lengths that they did to "win".
What's there not to understand about that? I don't sit watching every fight, I've just seen your POV @ Aden Castle / VoS, FatHips POV @ VoS, and Advol's PoV @ VoS.
I saw more Nova dead on the ground than SH in each vid; which is how I made my conclusion.
So in the end, it's you whom is "kind of clueless" by not understanding that I don't give a flying fizzuck to sit and watch every vid like a hawk.
We are put on this list because regardless of what happened on chronos and how things turned out (everyone with half a brain knows this) we are still better than most of the clans on any server. We accomplish things that a lot of clans can't with our numbers. You can throw your propaganda around like it matters but anyone with half a brain knows how chronos turned out the way it is. TBH we are nothing but flattered that some people had to go to the lengths that they did to "win".
What exactly did you accomplish? You and FS won PvP for 2 or 3 dragons and that was all you showed on Chronos.
Even Bregan in 14 active people had positive score with Genocide clan (but mostly due tp Roshinu´s party).
What did you do on nonfactor server where people were 5-10 levels below you without subclasses/dualclasses and equipment isnt relevant at all. What did you do on factor server against factor clans???
just curious in this forum i saw martelx video pvp and i dont know but i think he is using auto target check min 15:00-15:12 i put a pics has evidence xD
What exactly did you accomplish? You and FS won PvP for 2 or 3 dragons and that was all you showed on Chronos.
Even Bregan in 14 active people had positive score with Genocide clan (but mostly due tp Roshinu´s party).
What did you do on nonfactor server where people were 5-10 levels below you without subclasses/dualclasses and equipment isnt relevant at all. What did you do on factor server against factor clans???
lol? The only clan to be positive on us is Nova. Don't know where you get your info from? Also the people on this server are probably more geared than a lot of chronos. Not sure how you come up with these numbers of bregan being positive on us lol. Check your score for genocide while you're looking around :)
It's funny some random no name person says we are a worthless clan, yet some of the best players in the game and longest playing consider our clan to be top 5. Funny how that works.
lol? The only clan to be positive on us is Nova. Don't know where you get your info from? Also the people on this server are probably more geared than a lot of chronos. Not sure how you come up with these numbers of bregan being positive on us lol. Check your score for genocide while you're looking around :)
I know that cause I am former Bregan clan member. To be clear I dont say we beaten you but we were on + side with you.
But still. Nothing can change that you are quitters who cannot compete with strong clan and you ran away as rats.
I was really disappointed that you quitted because you had the potential to compete with nova but you cannot keep competing. That is your problem.
This is the reason why you are behind the clans who do not win against dominating clans but they never gave up.
My clan says im + on Nova, does it mean its true? Nope everyone knows its a common bug that every week the losing clans score reset. Same thing happened to bregan lol. You were NEVER + on us at any point in time.
http://i39.tinypic.com/7081ae.jpg Don't even play there, but am I beating Nova? Nope I am not. You're lucky the bregan war is gone or else I could show you the true stats of it.
http://i39.tinypic.com/7081ae.jpg Don't even play there, but am I beating Nova? Nope I am not. You're lucky the bregan war is gone or else I could show you the true stats of it.
I know that cause I am former Bregan clan member. To be clear I dont say we beaten you but we were on + side with you.
But still. Nothing can change that you are quitters who cannot compete with strong clan and you ran away as rats.
I was really disappointed that you quitted because you had the potential to compete with nova but you cannot keep competing. That is your problem.
This is the reason why you are behind the clans who do not win against dominating clans but they never gave up.
Well that doesn't magically make Genocide kill less people per minute so they are solid in either 3 rd or 4th place. Genocide might have been able to fight back against nova at a later time on Chronos :(
Ah yes. Dion. That was lol stuff. And I'm sure you mass-petitioned it. I guess NCsoft didn't agree with you.
Seriously tho, how long has it been since we were in Dion? Do you even know how many months we've been in Rune? Do you even play or just post on forums?
I'd understand you guys not showing up back then. Heck, most of our clan didn't.
You guys seem stuck in the past on a lot of fronts.
translation: you're gonna have to come up with a new excuse.
There's a lot of bs in there but I'll try to answer some of em.
-dark siege hadn't started, u had castle ports camped; we weren't formed up and people were randomly porting into castle getting killed. you don't bat an eyelash at killing your own npc/mass pr to avoid pvp DURING SIEGES/TAX yet you have an issue with someone dismissing you from castle in those circumstances? Really?...like Really??
-I'm sure there is some camping of lowbie spots going on; there always is with ALL clans but just lol if you're blaming this on losing the war. You're up +200 every siege minimum??? Since you like to make stuff up, i'm curious as to what the maximum was? The only time you manage to get on the plus side is when you come with fs/enmity. Then you come alone and lose them all and then some. Just like last siege and the one before that..and the one before that...you get my drift? Now H.O.E did give us issues 4 months ago or so when we had Dion and were kinda rebuilding and what not; i'll give u that. You were up on the wars as well back then.
-You did not take crystal's' down and smash us. You bumrushed ONE crystal and got it down. There is more than one crystal + inner door left bro. Geez, you didn't even knock the outer door down by yourself, you had fs and enmity with you.
I agreed with you. Most of us didn't show up either. What's your excuse NOW?
I am sure that it was not your intention to sound as stupid as you sound. Maybe you want to reformulate your sentence a little bit. It is obvious that english isnt your primary language so you maybe wanted to say something different.
My question is why to bother to come for dark campaign if 1 or 2 defenders can teleport attackers every 2-3 seconds? You did not answer me. You evad to comment your exploiting. You just laughed at it. Unfortunately you missed the chance to be silent.
And about siege. You have no chance against H o E. You are beaten every time and always 1-2 strong nova parties have to come to save you. Even as such big advantage as defenders you have to call Nova to save you.
It is very easy to test it. We will come without any other clans and you will not invite Nova to save you. Very easy. We are able to do that. Are you?
And about daily pvp. Our 97+ parties never lose against RR. We beat you everywhere. You are able to kill only 97- people in stronghold or swamp.
Listen up Forrest, I answered you twice now ,(I've bolded them for you)...this will make 3x, Do you know what "I agree with you" means? The answer to your question if it wasn't clear enough is "I would not come either when one person can dismiss attackers through the npc" I'm puzzled how a random trolling genius such as yourself with such an obvious mastery of the english language could have missed that. If I weren't such a peaceloving, yoga practicing man trained in the tantric arts, I'd beat you over the head with a dictionary.
Here's a definition for you.
a·gree
/əˈgrē/
Verb
Have the same opinion about something; concur: "I completely agree with your recent forum post"
Now please answer my question. Why have you generally not participated in the last 4 months or so. We've been in R. U. N. E. Not D.I.O.N. , you cannot teleport people out in R.U.N.E.
The rest of you and Batrus' post is just rambling nonsense, yadayada you win 99% of pvp's, your 97+ parties never lose to RR, you get 200-600 war points each and every siege, you beat us everywhere, everytime..smash smash smash, heuheueheueheeu :D:D All of that in beautifully butchered english. Yet we're up over 800 now on the war and i'm not counting the 800 or so that were farmed. Another 22 since today's update.
You guys must have a lot of people in swamps at all hours of the day. lol. You and batrus make a good duo tho tbh. One who can't count and one who can't read=win!
I sure would like for you guys to come by yourselves. We've been telling you to do that for months if you want to talk crap.Yet instead, you always come with FS/Enmity. I'm sure it would be mad fun. Looking forward to it. You gonna turn your scripts off too?
How can any of these clans be considered top clans when they are 75%+ cheaters? Take away the botting / adena / programs and what do you end up with?
Hello Kitty Online.
Well that doesn't magically make Genocide kill less people per minute so they are solid in either 3 rd or 4th place. Genocide might have been able to fight back against nova at a later time on Chronos :(
Maybe now they'd put up a better fight; but I'm friends with a lot of Geno members, and their activity STILL isn't that great to stand a chance (whilst they mass recruit on Magmeld). They do have gear just as good as Nova does, but they don't have the meat shields like Nova does. NOBODY wants to join the underdog clan, nobody has the mentality to EARN the title of being the best. Sadly, that's this day and age. With F2P came F2B (free 2 bean). Look at FS, Enmity, Bregan on Chronos - The first Siege Nova "Won" since the "Nova lock-out" a lot of players band-wagoned into nova from these 3 clans.. Look at Fear on Shilen (used to be the best, now everyone's clan hopping to KSK / ImperialWarriors since they're the new "best"), look at DV on Magmeld - half of them clan hopped to Genocide or stuck in a dead clan due to dedication (That's what its really about - we all appreciate the "resistance"; without them the game would be dead). Look at DH members on Naia tired of losing so they join SH. I've never seen a bigger batch of Hussies in my life since L2 went F2P, and I doubt I'll ever see a larger amount of hussies.
Dedication is one thing, to those who have stuck with their clan(s) through thick and thin, I applaud.
To those who just go and join the top-dogs, I hope you drown or die in a terrible car accident. You were nobody before you joined them, and now that you've joined them you're just a meat shield.
Also: those whom dedicate themselves to useless clans that will never mount to anything also deserve to die.
Now please answer my question. Why have you generally not participated in the last 4 months or so. We've been in R. U. N. E. Not D.I.O.N. , you cannot teleport people out in R.U.N.E.
Are you really sure? Because we were teleported already from Rune. Do you say that Dion is the only castle in which you can use the exploit?
And about turning off ranger. I dont really want to discuss this here but lets put it this way - are you able to make all your clan memebers to turn it off? I know you have some people without it. Respect to crazy Andouille :-)
My clan says im + on Nova, does it mean its true? Nope everyone knows its a common bug that every week the losing clans score reset. Same thing happened to bregan lol. You were NEVER + on us at any point in time.
You might be right. I remember nubmbers like +100, maybe +150 (less probably). Those numbers are too high to be earned during 1 week. And as you said numbers for losing clan resets every week.
Listen up Forrest, I answered you twice now ,(I've bolded them for you)...this will make 3x, Do you know what "I agree with you" means? The answer to your question if it wasn't clear enough is "I would not come either when one person can dismiss attackers through the npc" I'm puzzled how a random trolling genius such as yourself with such an obvious mastery of the english language could have missed that. If I weren't such a peaceloving, yoga practicing man trained in the tantric arts, I'd beat you over the head with a dictionary.
Here's a definition for you.
a·gree
/əˈgrē/
Verb
Have the same opinion about something; concur: "I completely agree with your recent forum post"
Now please answer my question. Why have you generally not participated in the last 4 months or so. We've been in R. U. N. E. Not D.I.O.N. , you cannot teleport people out in R.U.N.E.
The rest of you and Batrus' post is just rambling nonsense, yadayada you win 99% of pvp's, your 97+ parties never lose to RR, you get 200-600 war points each and every siege, you beat us everywhere, everytime..smash smash smash, heuheueheueheeu :D:D All of that in beautifully butchered english. Yet we're up over 800 now on the war and i'm not counting the 800 or so that were farmed. Another 22 since today's update.
You guys must have a lot of people in swamps at all hours of the day. lol. You and batrus make a good duo tho tbh. One who can't count and one who can't read=win!
I sure would like for you guys to come by yourselves. We've been telling you to do that for months if you want to talk crap.Yet instead, you always come with FS/Enmity. I'm sure it would be mad fun. Looking forward to it. You gonna turn your scripts off too?
yes we have lot of ppl in swampland and sh3, no idea why you so wonder, because there is most of RR kills
and i want to notice that you ignore my invite to clan sieges, but also nothng new
and i not use any scripts, you can see that in any of my frapses that was posted earlier
and this is fresh one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5zuSQrmkF0&feature=youtu.be
14 rr (fraps not from pvp start, sry, but you can trust me:)) died to epic random h oe party without tank, we have ol as buffer, so random bregan summoner was without buffs
btw some ppl from RR call us to make 7 vs 7, we had time, so we did and RR fail also
so you better start to play more and pvp instead your talks here
maybe bring your legit frapses and show how you dominate, will be glad to see that, it will add more drama and ppl like/want it:), this is why i still here (beside friends in game ofcourse)
Are you really sure? Because we were teleported already from Rune. Do you say that Dion is the only castle in which you can use the exploit?
And about turning off ranger. I dont really want to discuss this here but lets put it this way - are you able to make all your clan memebers to turn it off? I know you have some people without it. Respect to crazy Andouille :-)
We already know you can't read. Now you're telling me you can't tell time either???.
You appear confused but I'll let you know what happened. You, the 3-4 parties of h.o.e. that were in castle camping port in spots were dismissed about 10 minutes B.E.F.O.R.E. tax campaign started. Didn't the fact that nobody was in castle give u a clue??? Guess not.
yes we have lot of ppl in swampland and sh3, no idea why you so wonder, because there is most of RR kills
and i want to notice that you ignore my invite to clan sieges, but also nothng new
and i not use any scripts, you can see that in any of my frapses that was posted earlier
and this is fresh one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5zuSQrmkF0&feature=youtu.be
14 rr (fraps not from pvp start, sry, but you can trust me:)) died to epic random h oe party without tank, we have ol as buffer, so random bregan summoner was without buffs
btw some ppl from RR call us to make 7 vs 7, we had time, so we did and RR fail also
so you better start to play more and pvp instead your talks here
maybe bring your legit frapses and show how you dominate, will be glad to see that, it will add more drama and ppl like/want it:), this is why i still here (beside friends in game ofcourse)
Actually no. You can't be trusted because you're usually full of it and prone to exageration.
You beat em soundly but if you're going to claim it was 14 RR; you really should show a fraps with an actual 14 RR. I don't see 14 RR; I do see a lot of summons. In line with my first sentence, I wouldn't be surprised if that's your "2nd" RR party.../facepalm
(ps. that is also not a top RR party; but i do remember you pr'ing when one showed up . You remember..you were there)
about the sieges, we've been asking you to do just that ad nauseum for the months and months and in my last post yadayadayada...Seriously, answering your posts is a full time job :(. Just freakin do it and show up alone!!! If we have to call Nova for help, then you'll actually have reason to talk your usual crap.