First time I enter the Forum for questioning about a subject that should not exist: Bots.
I've been noticing that only honest players suffer from the server with the measures taken by administrators dumb.
- Decreased dramatically Aden to drop the mobs and items. My question is: As a new player get new items is the difficulty for anyone who plays honestly just tight? Who wins with this whole situation are those who use bots 24 hours and nobody does anything.
- Why today was not a hard decision taken against bots if they are in any city blatantly? Does administrators also have bots and so nothing is done? Does NCSOFT afraid of hackers? Just who the **** with this lack of respect are the honest players.
Interesting to note that in most private servers are super effective against bots locks. It will be difficult for server administrators to move around the map looking for cheaters? I think in most of the places we find bots spread, but I will give some tips on places to meet these picks to the mountains, EG, Swampland, around Goddard, GOG, all Kamael Village, Dragon Valley, CRUMA Tower, Antharas Lair Field of Whispers, Giants Cave etc etc. .. just want to find you will not have difficulty.
Complicated you invest your money that is earned with enough sweat in a game that makes no power to stop the criminals that use bots.
Boy, is not because several post and nobody does anything to stay silent. For me who agrees with the bots in the game to use, and so is trying to reduce importance who does not accept. In my view those who use bot is marginal and bad character. I hope that one day the server administrators are able to completely eliminate this bunch of bandits disguised players.
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You think admins don`t know who is who, and who do what in their own game? Must be joking. :) Make your own conclusions..
I hope Admnistradores not know who is who in the game, because if this happens is because they have a stake in all this trickery and do nothing to change. Who plays honestly just loses the game.
I hope Admnistradores not know who is who in the game, because if this happens is because they have a stake in all this trickery and do nothing to change. Who plays honestly just loses the game.
You better ask a GM why the hero list is full of bots, they kill the competition. Youtube is full of frapses from people that autospam skills, pots, target, we are not allowed to show them here, so the bots get protected. When you call som1 a %$%#%%$ you get banned for it. Why the msg ingame mention about programs and stuff while NC soft aint gonna do a thing about it?
Thnx for killing the competition again. Call me when the game is bot-free / bug-free and so on, so real players that love to play a good game can come back and make a great enviroment.
Simple. There are no natural predators that would hunt down bots and decrease their population. And since GoD update, their life was made even more easier. Creating and maintaining an account now doesn't costs anything. Also penalty for killing non-flagged chars now way too heavy, so nobody wastes their time trying to kill bots and they are now left in peace. What more botters could ever ask for? Therefore bots now have perfect environment to live, grow and breed. Good job NCSoft!
Bots are such the problem that they are now because of free to play as well as no predators. Combined the inability to PK anyone anymore with an exponential decrease in the time it takes to level and the fact that lower level characters farm more adena than higher ones, NCsoft basically shot itself in the foot and made botting so incredibly lucrative that almost everyone participates in it. Incentives are everything and right now, there is massive incentive to bot.
With free to play, NC could have been more Draconian on their anti-bot policy, but they failed to do so. Now bots have run over all of the servers and NC has lost most of their legitimate clients, so they now rely on the RMT crowd as their cash cow.
Basically, without drastic change, bots will continue to dominate L2.
Bots dominate because combat is too fast, some classes are over powered and by that I mean they one shot kill in seconds.
I seen so many bot killers leaving piles of adrena on field. If 20% of 308 players on one server are bots, they still is thousands of items decaying and hundreds of deaths every second. Meaning lot more server load.
Bots themselves don't create lag, it is 24 hour players. Really that is one issue. NC Soft refuses to address bots and other issues because they getting a bit of a hard nose about thier games. So far it is "sorry we can't / won't change" attitude is slightly annoying, but sooner or later they going take a huge hit if they keep it up. Because if their attitude is to enjoy player stressing adrena while bots farm or players unable play because pvp bots rule hunting grounds taking everything players got. Already seen couple players begging adrena/gear. I am sure most are fakes just seeing how much they can get. But sooner or later players just not going play if things too hard on the many while the few classes one shot kill everythign and everyone in their path and dominate drops/auctions. Remember how can we SELL to players we don't get items and/or adrena.
1. We don't get drops / share of drops in raid. 7 go in, tank walks out richer. Try find party that "shares" I dare you. I know right really rare.
2. Bots dominate ALL hunting zones, kill stealing and moving in big kill everyone parties.
3. Adrena drops in a day are drained by teleport fees. After all bots don't go moving zone to zone.
4. Combat getting boring, either it takes long time to kill and you get one shot killed by a monsters that can move faster than you and kill you before scroll works OR you one shot kill it and get little rewards.
NC Soft getting to precious over flaws in missions.
Seven Signs, Secret Rituals. The refusal to fix/change quest to sensable and playable quest, after all it should be an easy quest. It should be a walk around guards. It is not and ncsoft refusal to address this quest as anything but "we sorry nothing we can do" is too much. Really is this one of those "annoy players to keep them playing" gambits?
Same goes for bots and low adrena. Yes it suppost to make it hard on adrena sellers, but go to Aden some days and there 10-15 private sellers all saying they got 200 or 100m. So how it low drops hurting the bots? Bots still out there, most are not scooping.
NC Soft should not disclose how they aim to address bots, but we are not seeing results with game guard. Fact every change them make, the bots don't seem affected or less of them. Fact is with summer event, seems to be more of them in more areas. Game guard clearly isn't worth the webpage it written on.
SO why bots dominate? Because nc soft will not live gm or fix balance issues. Since devs feel need to be "aloof" and try to be "rock stars" of gaming, don't expect me racing to your stand for an autograph or photo. Taking the fun out of the game with the over powered combat.
Don't know how anything short of time limits on zones, instancing and live monitor of reports of bots is going stop bots. Hackers do not stop. Crazy frustrating quests will not sort live players from bots, the bots don't quest. Low drops will not stop bots, just makes the botters create more bot accounts.
They dominate because nothing is done towards them and because normal players (yes, lets call them normal!) support their oh so well known botters in their own clans :D
Celty not only is reporting bots waste of time, but the Devs oped certain classes so botting is easier and better. It not hard spot the bots if someone can go 6 hours in row targetting everything, killing everything no matter if they appear behind them, all in one-three shot and never running out of mp or hp.
The game is broken. Sooner or later only way to get through to devs is leave. I feel that I owe nothing to NCSoft because they have too little customer care. What is point of reporting bugs, reporting problems with game when all they care is next package deal in the in game store.
Even without bots, all the bugs unfixed, quests making no sense and some unplayable.
PVP suggests player vs player, yet some classes walk over a large group doing 12k damage per hit and able to target everyone in zone without turning and no delay in casting. Clearly game hacks alone are not problem. People bot because they can get away with it.
:/ I denunce bots and I see them always there in same place. I had proofs of someone owner of many bots and his own char that his botted to lvl up to 99... but... he buy NC coins. he is still playing and botings and my many tickets of his chars nc soft ignore it
You answered your own question. Bot threads pointless because NCSoft only care sales ticking over. If they don't they close L2. Fixing and caring are not high on thier list.
The bot issue is not a problem of NCSoft. Yet they have to care about it.
The software is not the problem also.
The problem is the person behind the computer Everybody pick up a shotgun and lets go hunting. (Just kidding dude dont do anything stupid)
The bot issue is the result of a failure in the community, players who are willing to do everything to win even if they have to be totally dishonest towards themselves and everybody else, players who cares **** about a good gaming environment, players who are just what they are: human beings.
Humans... duh
When they have some friends doing this or that they usually fall into doing the same, happens in real life, happens in a simple videogame. They believe what they are told, stupid tales, religion, politics, fantasy and etc.
First came the initial cheaters along with the intelligent people who made a business creating software to improve the power of your character and your dishonest and ****** behavior.
Then it was all the "wanna be's" of the initial cheaters, followed by more and more people doing what all they friends were doing previously
At the end everybody does it just because everybody does it.
Cheating in a videogame is stupid and nobody should worry about it, in fact nobody does. But that doesnt means what you represent in an online game isnt what you really are. You are what you eat. You are what you like. You are the music that you listen. You are what you are. If you are a cheater in an online game i would think twice before being your friend in real life. Have respect for all the legit players. Have some decency with yourself.
Cheating in a videogame is stupid and nobody should worry about it, in fact nobody does. But that doesnt means what you represent in an online game isnt what you really are. You are what you eat. You are what you like. You are the music that you listen. You are what you are. If you are a cheater in an online game i would think twice before being your friend in real life. Have respect for all the legit players. Have some decency with yourself.
+1000
If you cheat in a virtual world...what about in real life ???
If you cheat in a virtual world...what about in real life ???
I ask the same more than one time.. and this guys have a better time life just for boting.
they can go out with frends, girlfrend, or can study, stay more time runing another game, etc... Becouse, they play 12 or 24/24 allways, and you, with luck, 5/24 and you stop others games, stop call to yours frends, sleep less, dont go to take a drink in the night... idk who is more inteligent... :mad:
40% of the server bot for adenas, the other 20% more use scrips to bot and pvp, the rest "maybe" are legitime players... and when all becomes 99... all will start to run bots and farms adenas to buy the best items to win in pvp...
they too busy implementing latest in gaming stress methods to see if they can raise sales in the l2shop.
Ils n'ont qu'à vendre les objets et monnaie du jeu dans le L2Store de sorte à contrait toute ces m e r d e s incapable de jouer correctement toute en faisant du profit sur votre dos.
Moi, je n'ai même plus envie de jouer seulement par peur de tomber dans une party avec bots car ces le cas aujourd'h u i, l'avancement et l'upgrade de mon personnage sont bloquer car je n'ai pas assez de monnaie pour évoluer et cela me dégoute.
Peu etre devrais-je tenter d'acheter des adena sur un site qui me le permetterai et qui plus est surement pas sure à 100% car l'arnaque est réel et existe attention et me placerai du coup dans l'illégalité, moi je préférerai acheter ceci dans le L2Store directement et vous permettre la sérénité de vos serveurs.
Que dois-je faire ? Que devez vous faire ? Aller au boulot, car vos serveurs sont en danger ! .._._ !
Si vous ne faite rien je leave et d'autres risquerai de suivre et irons se fondre au fin fond de serveur privé ou tous leurs seront permit laisser moi rire.
Back when the game was pay to play NCSoft had an incentive to not ban bots because they were a good source of income.
Once the game went pay to play NCSoft no longer the incentive to not ban bots however they lacked the resources to begin and run a campaign to remove the bots from the game.
Back when the game was pay to play NCSoft had an incentive to not ban bots because they were a good source of income.
Once the game went pay to play NCSoft no longer the incentive to not ban bots however they lacked the resources to begin and run a campaign to remove the bots from the game.
Let's be honest, this game never went "Free to Play"
Most people spend more on L2 now than they did before.
My young the problem is not only the bots to farm or level up chares, these bots spoil everything, spoil with the price of the items, which become more expensive, therefore it has a lot of adena, and has also the fact that little drops adena, not understand how mobs lvl 95 + falls just 2K of Aden or less, with an expenditure of player lvl 95 + with Soushot and so on is very high. Worst of all are also programs that use Bot in PVP, they are still more criminal, because in addition to using bots to farm power and more features, more adena in the game, use bot to take advantage in a PVP as trigger skills much faster and thus be able to stay alive and kill better.
In my opinion what is NCsfot should create new rules:
1 - used robot, it does not ban, but keep chares imprisoned for 15 days, if they are repeat offenders, are trapped for 30 days. If you are chares use rune xp, since many players usually buy Ncoins and purchase many runes and spend with the server and how often use it as an excuse, then create rules asism, chares to spend with Ncoins and use Bot to farm, leveling PVP or simply get stuck, if caught staying 15 days, if caught again 30 days stuck, remember that in Lineage 2 has a cage system, ie, the player can log the char, but he will be in a cage without being able to send items, or even helpless.
2 - The NCsfot should use Gameguard itself against Bots that most people use, it's easy to figure out, for example the players love to use the ******* not know if that's how you write, any programmer can NCsfot yes embed files that will ******* identify and disconnect the account whenever the ******* eg is activated. But it would be constant, since those usually produces ******* updates, but suffice to create NCsoft files that identify native file *******, those which do not have as the producer of the program change. For one day this past limits, are rich with Bot to farm, get rich with Bot to level and thus sell chares. And simply want to always win PVPs using Bot for PVP do, and it is easy to find out, just look NCsoft itself.
3 - Want to see the massive use of Bots for PVP? Castle Siege, our, ask any honest player, who plays honestly what happens, your character hangs because so many people are using these programs to hit pvp which is a lot of information at the same time that players who do not use Bots are affected, are locking the machine, because it ends up suffering from it. So I think the GMs should note that, having GMs participating in sieges or even observing and creating strong chares, aliais would be a good idea, the GMs have chares powerful as if they were a cop on the server, if they notice that this clan uses the Bots sieges easy to get the castles, they would be allowed to lie all the players in this clan.
4 - This issue has nothing to do with Bot. But Ncsoft should review the policy of the castles, as in Shillen for example, has large clan clans there that have multiple brackets that feature castles, and this prevents clans medium or other clans can evolve, ie, reach lvl up clan since to get right lvl, need castle. Just search for the IP Ncsoft who sound the leaders of these castles, and check who is getting benefits from it, as the castles produce adena or items and so on, to see where these items are shipped. Because this is getting boring, even at the last siege, we would take a castle which we had chance aliais whole clan was average, but a certain clan was there and took the castle into a clan that you rarely see his players logged.
vamos ser sinceros esse jogo já esta morto , lidvior e de longe a pior atulização de lineage2 que vi na minha vida ,o maior erro não foi ter nerfed adena mais sim ter acabado com o drop ,a cada dia vejo menos pessoas e menos pts para se jogar ,claro além dos bots que hoje estão em todas as areas do jogo Sh3 ,sh2 ,pod ,gf,Dv,soh ,etc etc...o que você pode fazer é continuar jogando sim ,porem seja inteligênte e não gaste nenhum centavo ,pelo você fez a sua parte e nao participou de palhaçada chamada lineage 2.
Nice z..range ...nice tower ...nice l2 divine good job
All NCSoft needs are 2 GMs whose Jobs are to monitor the servers during the work day. That means being in game patrolling XP spots (low and high level) and banning people. Period.
Without an active GM team (and what they have now does not qualify), then this issue is never going to go away. Either you deal with it, or you find another game to play. It's that simple.
If you cheat in a virtual world...what about in real life ???
Nothing.
It's a virtual world. It means absolutely nothing about how someone conducts themselves in real life. They can be the CEO of the worlds biggest charity organization and still cheat in a video game. They do it cause they can and they win by doing it, but it really says nothing about that person in the real world.
I think you people need to get over yourselves with that crap...
All NCSoft needs are 2 GMs whose Jobs are to monitor the servers during the work day. That means being in game patrolling XP spots (low and high level) and banning people. Period.
Without an active GM team (and what they have now does not qualify), then this issue is never going to go away. Either you deal with it, or you find another game to play. It's that simple.
I used to say that over and over and over again back in the P2P days. If you want to fight bots it's **** easy, you don't even need 2 GMs. One guy, spending 1-2 hours per day per server going from Aligator Island up through the quest zones and into 99 content and banning. Hell, not even banning, do the three strikes thing they did for a while. Do that for a month you will be bot free. The fact they refuse to do something that simple suggests they don't really want to, doesn't it? Instead they do silly things ( a few days ago I was 80ing a sub on an alt and went through "bot testing" which inlvolved a raid spawning right next to me and a polymorphed character waiting to see if I attack it) ... like give me a break
1. Issue has been too long ignored. Ever since C2 when the botting community was a fraction of the total populace they could have had a much more strict stance and ended it there. But lets not lie, the chinese buying 18-72 accounts for each small adena-seller firm and keeping them subscribed was alot of money for the company in those days. So they were told to turn a blind eye.
Because of that it has become accepted of even among the previously the staunchest non-botting advocates. From game mechanics, and the administration of the game it almost seems like botting was how it was SUPPOSED to played.
Note, that I am not saying it is correct, but from someone's point of view who has played off and on for a long, long time. This is what it looks like. You have no idea how many times I have heard something along the lines of "In C5 I leveled to 79 by hand, I will never do that again. Right clicking assist for 16 hours isn't gameplay, it's torture."
2. Game mechanics have always heavily supported botting. For example take the recent mentor nerf from 200% exp to 50%. Literally tripling the time it takes to level to a more relevant character. This an entirely revenue based decision, that keeps players in the mindbogglingly boring and empty low-level spaces spending. Little things like this push people more into thinking about botting.
From the AoE nerfs. hunting ground nerfs, talismans, enchanting, drop rates, material gathering, quest nerfs, the increasing lopsidedness of PVP everything drives in the direction of BOT to compete, or be casual.
3. Which brings me to my third point, casuals don't buy much. If you just like doing your daily, siege every once in awhile, you don't really do Oly, and your raid semi-frequently, chances are you don't drop 50-200 dollars monthly at the NCStore. Guess who does?
These three reasons are why bots are so prominent in this game, and will continue to be until NC takes radical direction toward this problem.
Either offer ways to officially progress your character while offline/away like EvE Online, or start over. I don't think the current populace will stand for a full wipe at this point. But really those are the only two options I can see re-balancing the field.
If you cheat in a virtual world...what about in real life ???
Sadly, cheaters in real life also have the most success. Corporate espionage, copy-write fraud, insider trading, hell even political lobbying tactics. Fortune favors those not willing to play by the rules.
2. Game mechanics have always heavily supported botting. For example take the recent mentor nerf from 200% exp to 50%. Literally tripling the time it takes to level to a more relevant character. This an entirely revenue based decision, that keeps players in the mindbogglingly boring and empty low-level spaces spending. Little things like this push people more into thinking about botting.
that's actually wrong, even ignoring the raid boss quests that if you play on one of the "quiet" servers can get you 1-85 in 3 days, leveling pre 85 right now is about 10 times faster than it was when GOD launched. The quest chains are what more than makes up for the missing 150% fromt he mentor buff, and it's a "fairer" system cause yeah mentored people have an advantage over non-mentored ones but the difference isn't big. Mentored or not you can play leisurely and get to 85 in 10 days. And I said leisurely. I still have nightmares about the time it took endless hours (ie 5-6hours/day) of doing DoD trains with a poler just to do the 79-80 ding in a month or more.
Although overall, yes, grind games (which L2 still is) do favor botting. Although it used to be that you could exp more efficiently with a live party, ie get the exp a bot gets in 24 hours by playing 2-3, aoe etc but that has slowly died down swinging again the advantage to bots .
that's actually wrong, even ignoring the raid boss quests that if you play on one of the "quiet" servers can get you 1-85 in 3 days, leveling pre 85 right now is about 10 times faster than it was when GOD launched. The quest chains are what more than makes up for the missing 150% fromt he mentor buff, and it's a "fairer" system cause yeah mentored people have an advantage over non-mentored ones but the difference isn't big. Mentored or not you can play leisurely and get to 85 in 10 days. And I said leisurely. I still have nightmares about the time it took endless hours (ie 5-6hours/day) of doing DoD trains with a poler just to do the 79-80 ding in a month or more..
Oh I agree, I was just commenting on them on solving a problem that didn't exist. There is no reason for new players and characters to spend more time at low levels especially in this era. You don't even get your main skills until 85. 1-85 should be a simple, engaging tutorial and not the grind session(albeit brief as you mentioned) it is now.