Hell Knight vs Summoner?

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I believe that all the classes are the Knights who have more chance of winning the summoner. (Currently this Summoner Overpower).

What should I do in order to win a summoner in 1x1?

Hell Knight vs Summoner:


What "Dyes" should I invest?
What skill sequence I use to be more effective (Considering the skill of the pet).
Defense or attack type? (Is it okay to use Defense in this fight?)
What aura should I use?



I'm just tired of losing to the summoner Coliseum, duel, olympic.
I appreciate your help.
Get better.
Try something new.

If that dont work.

Come up with something better.

And try again.

But mostly, try thinking up new strategies.

You are looking for a secret formula to win all, that doesnt exist.
no way you cannnot win sumoners atm 2-3 sec cd on mark = pain on your a.ss :D
Of all classes, tanks have the least trouble with summoners followed by tyrr warriors, then othell rogues.

Get better.
Unfortunately, there is no effective strategy for you to PvP against Wynn atm. The best strategy that I've heard over and over again is to use wizard harmony + weapon with active augment of skill's cool down to silence them continuously. Resistance Aura or Rage Aura would help a little bit when dueling with Wynn. Hopefully, in the next update, the game developers will nerf Wynn big times so that they will not overpower other classes.
In the next update, summoners become more effective in PvE and small - large scale PvP. Not so much in 1v1.
Hopefully, in the next update, the game developers will nerf Wynn big times so that they will not overpower other classes.
loled sry not happening, deal with it
As others said you need to develop your own tactic but lets say if I were a tank would definitely need Unbind and disparition and high mental attack for perma justice,however wynns are still hard to beat since they have their hp bug summon so unless you are a stucked tank its very hard to take him on dmg unless every justice punishment you do lands.
I do not want strategy against all classes, versus only summoner.
What build would give me more chance of winning one in pvp.

Eg. (vs wynns )
Should invest in which dye CON, STR or DEX?
Armor defense or attack type?
I really want to see my tank hitting summoner, nor that it is expert at it.

Do you think "hellknight" is more appropriate against summoner?
Learn what your skills can do. Start there.
I do not want strategy against all classes, versus only summoner.
What build would give me more chance of winning one in pvp.

Eg. (vs wynns )
Should invest in which dye CON, STR or DEX?
Armor defense or attack type?
I really want to see my tank hitting summoner, nor that it is expert at it.

Do you think "hellknight" is more appropriate against summoner?

Well, technically Wynn's skill attacks are based on m.atk so investing in MEN is exclusive to dealing with Wynn but I doubt u would put all dye slots in MEN to make it 15+ or whatever. Regarding armor, since damage from Wynn comes from its marks, there is pointless to choose Defense type armor over the Attack one. Your goal is to deal as much damage as possible on Wynn so the Attack type armor would bring about it. I dont think u can beat any Wynn with the same equipment at equal lv in this episode. And as said by Yuna, there is no hope to fight against Wynn in the following episode so just accept that the class is naturally better than yours and there is nothing you can do to turn the tables!!!! Live with it and forget about how to deal with it!
And as said by Yuna, there is no hope to fight against Wynn in the following episode so just accept that the class is naturally better than yours and there is nothing you can do to turn the tables!!!! Live with it and forget about how to deal with it!

That's very offensive to tanks that know how to play their class. Shame on you.
So everyone agrees that: Summoner violently beats all tanks.

read what each skill does.
Also I've been reading about other topics, but my doubt remains.

My main char is a level 95 iss already fully equipped. My dual is a Hell Knight, who hope one day to be able to beat a summoner.

I would like to have the sincere help of those who know how to fight this class.
fyi as unless you're talking about 1 vs 1 in open pvp/coc you will never face a wyn on your DUAL class in say Oly..
yes.
But still, I did not see an answer that would help build a build anti-summoner.
Not even the beans and rice.
Taking 3 posts, the rest did nothing, absolutely nothing. I think many do not even know what to do against summoner, including them.
That's very offensive to tanks that know how to play their class. Shame on you.

Well, if you know how to fight against that class, then let others know the way you do it bro?
yes.
But still, I did not see an answer that would help build a build anti-summoner.
Not even the beans and rice.
Taking 3 posts, the rest did nothing, absolutely nothing. I think many do not even know what to do against summoner, including them.

If you are playing in Shilen, you may contact Perelan. He's the one who knows how to stand against Wynn effectively. I don't say that he could easily win but at least he knows what you should have on your toon, what strategy and trick to employ for a duel against Wynn. IMO, the best thing you can do is to watch any Olympiad match involved Wynn and Tank and learn from it. Whenever you see a tank beating a wynn in any match, try to contact that tank and ask him how he did it and what set up he used for his toon to fight against Wynn? I think that might help a lot.
And as said by Yuna, there is no hope to fight against Wynn in the following episode so just accept that the class is naturally better than yours and there is nothing you can do to turn the tables!!!! Live with it and forget about how to deal with it!

Don't put words in my mouth..what i said was that wynns are not getting "nerfs", and you have to deal with it AKA improve yourself. Also you mentioned how wynns overpower all classes, yet every good player is able to overpower every other class.
If you are playing in Shilen, you may contact Perelan. He's the one who knows how to stand against Wynn effectively. I don't say that he could easily win but at least he knows what you should have on your toon, what strategy and trick to employ for a duel against Wynn. IMO, the best thing you can do is to watch any Olympiad match involved Wynn and Tank and learn from it. Whenever you see a tank beating a wynn in any match, try to contact that tank and ask him how he did it and what set up he used for his toon to fight against Wynn? I think that might help a lot.

Telling people how to beat my class doesn't benefit me.

Perelan is one of the "top" tanks that does the worst against summoners and he loses much more often than wins against any summoner thats decent... all 5 of them. You're better off asking tanks like george99knight or mania or you can simply severely outgear your opponents and win like reijii.
All classes have their "predators", but wynns are OP now and sooner or later they will get nerfed (Yunalesca can refuse it as much she want) :D
The thing is that even in next update, for sure, that won't happen and they will keep unbalanced.

The reason for tankers have problems to kill wynns is simple: tankers can't cause thaaaaat big dmg and wynns transfer good ammount of it to servitors(75% at lvl 99). So, what about wynns with passive and active reflect(40-45% dmg back depending of the jewels) that heal the servitors and use them to recover hp using servitor balance life?

You are just taking dmg from marks and skills all the time(nice reuse btw), being hitted by blue-flame-poneys, aliens or mad cats(with lol atk power) and hitting an "infinite" ammount of hp that will just reflect ur dmg back to you (once u see the wynn running like a rabbit around and recovering his hp).

So, this is not balance, this is B U L L S H 1 T. Anyone that play with wynn and think is pro for defeat a tanker should review some dev mistakes.
The thing is that even in next update, for sure, that won't happen and they will keep unbalanced.


Is it because they want to boost the population of Wynn? lol :D. I really dont mind if they re-OP Healer and make it invincible in 1 on 1 situation because there are not many Healers nowadays.
sooner or later they will get nerfed (Yunalesca can refuse it as much she want) :D


Oh mighty guesser, show me the source that says Wynn will get nerfed. And btw if you can't kil la wynn with your dagger because its too "OP" i seriously pity how terribad you are at playing since daggers have the best mechanics to kill wynns..im sorry for having such a good time with my play and you being on the ground so often due to my unexistant "OPness".

Let's cry how archers are ***** by daggers, please.

Btw im only getting boosts next update, enjoy my pets stomping at x2 dmg^^.
Oh mighty guesser, show me the source that says Wynn will get nerfed. And btw if you can't kil la wynn with your dagger because its too "OP" i seriously pity how terribad you are at playing since daggers have the best mechanics to kill wynns..im sorry for having such a good time with my play and you being on the ground so often due to my unexistant "OPness".

Let's cry how archers are ***** by daggers, please.

Btw im only getting boosts next update, enjoy my pets stomping at x2 dmg^^.

I don't even play in ur server and before u say ****s, u should consider use ur brain(I don't even insulted u, til now)
Anyway, I killed way better wynns than u, forum farmer :P Angel of Death rulez, no marks over me.
I Was talking about tankers btw, u should read what I said before EMORAGE so hard. :D How old are you?
Wynn Summoners get boosted in epeisodion and don't get nerfed in raiders.

Have fun with that. ;D
but wynns are OP now and sooner or later they will get nerfed

but wynns are OP now

wynns are OP now

wynns are OP

wynns


I Was talking about tankers

What?

Cries that wynns are OP, says that he can beat them easy, but cry they are OP. How da hell you reach 99 ...oh yeah, carebear.
Apparently 1 class being able to beat 1 other makes them OP, let's all call dagger OP because they can kill archers regardless the dagger being skilled or not.


Lick the ground more often please^^

and oh im still looking for that source that says wynns are getting nerfed, looking forward to it.
What?

Cries that wynns are OP, says that he can beat them easy, but cry they are OP. How da hell you reach 99 ...oh yeah, carebear.
Apparently 1 class being able to beat 1 other makes them OP, let's all call dagger OP because they can kill archers regardless the dagger being skilled or not.


Lick the ground more often please^^

and oh im still looking for that source that says wynns are getting nerfed, looking forward to it.

Omg what a reaction xDDDD

Don't u think too much drama? hahaha

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130412054561/sonicfanchara/images/7/7f/X-x-everywhere-meme-generator-drama-drama-everywhere-ea7b40-1-.jpg

And still remember about ur tears when they changed the servitors to 2 instead of 3. I don't think u received a memo saying that was for happen, so yes, pls, keep looking for more info and share with us.
I believe that all the classes are the Knights who have more chance of winning the summoner. (Currently this Summoner Overpower).

What should I do in order to win a summoner in 1x1?

Hell Knight vs Summoner:


What "Dyes" should I invest?
What skill sequence I use to be more effective (Considering the skill of the pet).
Defense or attack type? (Is it okay to use Defense in this fight?)
What aura should I use?



I'm just tired of losing to the summoner Coliseum, duel, olympic.
I appreciate your help.

1. +10 str & +5 con

2. Try to have him stuned and silenced non stop. Use your aoe when he tries to run away. Then drag him back again.

3. w/e

4. Rage Aura

Transfer pain talisman
Also in oly you will need maximum clarity talisman
Active Refresh Augment
Passive pvp attack augment
Evas Rune
Unbind and/or Disparition
And still remember about ur tears when they changed the servitors to 2 instead of 3. I don't think u received a memo saying that was for happen, so yes, pls, keep looking for more info and share with us.

Oh you mean the change that made wynn summoners even tankier in PvP and still the most picked class for PvE groups? The horror!!
Oh you mean the change that made wynn summoners even tankier in PvP and still the most picked class for PvE groups? The horror!!

Yeah that one! :OOOO
U guys without know a !@#!@ about the new changes were crying as hell for weeks on forum.
Yeah that one! :OOOO
U guys without know a !@#!@ about the new changes were crying as hell for weeks on forum.

Oh the change where summoners went from 4 to 2 summons with no stat increase to compensate for 2 weeks. Yeah... I have no clue why they would complain about something like that. Very childish.
Oh the change where summoners went from 4 to 2 summons with no stat increase to compensate for 2 weeks. Yeah... I have no clue why they would complain about something like that. Very childish.

The horror! The horror!! :p