Can anything be done to save this game?

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by the gm team?


is the new job hiring posting for a new gm due to someone getting fired for corruption?

the server numbers combined seem awfully low lately.

i remember someone telling me the ultimate responsibility of the gm team was to ensure a level and fair playing field for all....I wonder how that is going?

so whats next gm's?

any leadership from the gm team? words of optimism for the new or old players?
Do you even *know* what's a Quality Assurance tester?

Hint: it's not a GM.
nope...never heard of 1 before so I googled it

The role of a gamemaster in an online game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_game) is to enforce the game's rules and provide general customer service. Also, unlike gamemasters in traditional role-playing games, gamemasters for online games in some cases are paid employees.

almost all the employees at ncwest are considered part of the GM "team"
Erm not, they're supposed to check if localizations and such run smoothly...
I ask only in attempt to enjoy a better game. I have fun most times with this game as a social hobby and have invested quite alot of time and money. probably more than 99% of the players.

Its no big deal, as I can drop it like a bad habit and move on to one of my many hobbies.

just asking if anyone has any bright ideas :)
Quality assurance and control department employs many duties...I am not here to argue about definitions and meanings over something that was sarcastic in meaning in the first place
OK, now without any sarcasm.

Game Masters help players with problems like being stuck in an instance. Apart from that there are also special Game Masters in the Game Surveillance Unit who are supposed to ban bots.

Juji is a Production Assistant, supposed to help Cryo with extracting money from the players' pockets.

Vali is a Community Manager, basically taking care of the forums. In the past, Community Managers have also organized hand-made events, but this does not happen any more.

The Quality Assurance Tester NCWest is at the moment trying to hire is supposed to test patches for Lineage 2 and Aion that are being sent over from Korea, where they are obviously not tested. The patch notes that are posted on Wednesdays do not reflect reality. Nothing is getting patched.

The interesting question is, when the new Quality Assurance Tester does find bugs in patches, will NCWest have the guts not to install those patches but ask Choi So-ra to go over them again? Past experience makes one doubt this.

As far as saving the game is concerned, this needs to be done in Korea. Through the December layoffs and the resulting decrease in payroll costs, NCsoft could increase the year-over-year operating profit by 348% in the 1st fiscal quarter 2013 (12,380 million Won -> 55,512 million Won):
http://global.ncsoft.com/global/ir/quarterly.aspx
The reduced head count led to a serious decrease in service quality, however, with ensuing dissatisfaction among Korean players. It's the Korean players who are paying the salaries of the developers in Seoul (while we are paying the salaries at Carbine Studios (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbine_Studios)), and if they don't play, no time points are consumed, no money is coming in. This has recently led to the whole company "being in a difficult situation" (회사 여건상 힘들다는 (http://power.plaync.co.kr/lineage2/%EC%8B%A4%EC%9E%A5%EC%9D%B4+%ED%9C%B4%EA%B0%80+%EA %B0%84+%EC%82%AC%EC%9D%B4)). You might want to keep an eye on this:
http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/chart?symbol=036570.KS

:D
To be clear, you must ask if this company is willing to remove bots..
They live with them for more than 10 years and are not compatible to remove botting. From techinacal point of view it's not big deal. you don't need 100 dev staff for that.
I think there are more tentacles between 'top botters' and inside and these ties becoming more stronger... All bann hammers are known prior - you can get this info from well known bot soft owners, not free
of couse, there is scripts how to pass automatic gm checks, whatever - if you don't fight and make cheater's life easy, they of couse cheat more..
p.s.my all post are removed about bots and account banned, what a pitty staff bans legit account and acting pro bot banners.. thanks Vali you are showing you competence 'hate bots ban bots'
for thruth i don't care about this acount..better to play with 2 live players than a boxed and scipted partys..
p.p.s. and what about inside botters, sadly but outside top botters known them - it's another discusion..and guys you think more ncoin spend more quality get - wrong, you need people willing to do so not money..
thanks for ban in advance, last time it was done in 30 min after post..
To be clear, you must ask if this company is willing to remove bots..
They live with them for more than 10 years and are not compatible to remove botting. From techinacal point of view it's not big deal. you don't need 100 dev staff for that.
I think there are more tentacles between 'top botters' and inside and these ties becoming more stronger... All bann hammers are known prior - you can get this info from well known bot soft owners, not free
of couse, there is scripts how to pass automatic gm checks, whatever - if you don't fight and make cheater's life easy, they of couse cheat more..
p.s.my all post are removed about bots and account banned, what a pitty staff bans legit account and acting pro bot banners.. thanks Vali you are showing you competence 'hate bots ban bots'
for thruth i don't care about this acount..better to play with 2 live players than a boxed and scipted partys..
p.p.s. and what about inside botters, sadly but outside top botters known them - it's another discusion..and guys you think more ncoin spend more quality get - wrong, you need people willing to do so not money..
thanks for ban in advance, last time it was done in 30 min after post..

Elvis tells them. And the aliens from Roswell use jedi mind tricks to make bots pass the checks. Also the Illuminati are involved.
Elvis tells them. And the aliens from Roswell use jedi mind tricks to make bots pass the checks. Also the Illuminati are involved.

Yes yes, and botting and rmt is myth raised by little childs and alien organizations..
there is no such thing as botts only legits plays and posts here..
Yes yes, and botting and rmt is myth raised by little childs and alien organizations..
there is no such thing as botts only legits plays and posts here..

of course there are bots, in fact the majority of the toons ingame are bots. The problem is you lack the brains to realize that that is precisely the reason they can't ban them all. Not cause there is a conspiracy. Cause quite simply bots subsidize your free to play.
Elvis tells them. And the aliens from Roswell use jedi mind tricks to make bots pass the checks. Also the Illuminati are involved.

I was going to go with Zelfs, they look like trouble makers

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/1066/fv3a.jpg
fyi what you call GM here is actually called GSU in NCWest L2 (Game Surveillance Unit)
so is banning bots the answer to save this game?

or is whatever Seoul does will save this game?


or is their something else the NCWEST team can do to save this game?

what if NCWEST sold the same scripts legally to all the players via the store?

that would put the game on a level playing field ;p


I think my best guess would be to focus on making the rich in game not so rich and rmt adena not so cheap...of course that stems from bots...

they ban all of china ip addresses due to bots, what so hard to ban all the american/euro ip addresses for botting?
so is banning bots the answer to save this game?

or is whatever Seoul does will save this game?


or is their something else the NCWEST team can do to save this game?

what if NCWEST sold the same scripts legally to all the players via the store?

that would put the game on a level playing field ;p


I think my best guess would be to focus on making the rich in game not so rich and rmt adena not so cheap...of course that stems from bots...

they ban all of china ip addresses due to bots, what so hard to ban all the american/euro ip addresses for botting?

The majority of the people playing this game aren't american.. but euro.

Most Euros use WTFast, BP, LP to access the servers, due to lag.. the IP presented to NCSoft.. isn't the person's real IP, but WTFast, LP or BP server IP.

If you ban that one.. not only you risk banning clean people using lag reducing programs, as you risk banning players that don't even play L2 but play other NC games and are at that moment using the same lag reducing server, to access a NC service.

GMs/GSU needs to do manual checks.. and needs 500% more proactivity IG, in sieges, in Chaos and in oly.
They banned all chinese IPs for RMT ... cause most of the middlemen in L2 RMT were Chinese ... and that was relatively easy to do (and completely ineffective by the way) because NCWest isnt covering china, there's another lineage 2 service for china.
Why was it ineffective? Cause the chinese RMTer can afford the 10 bucks a month it costs him to buy a VPN service to tunnel through.

Banning individual IPs is again ... completely unfeasible. a) a college dorm with 20 people playing lineage has one external ip. Do you ban all of them if one guy bots? b) residential users can just reset their VDSL/whatever modem to get a new different ip. c) as has been said lots of people use VPNs to connect to the servers, do you ban all of them?

I will be honest. I stopped caring about PVE bots round about Hellbound, i figured they are part of the game, who cares. IMO NCwest should figure out a way to completely block ranger etc, the PVP bots, that's what ruining the game IMO. Yes the armies of Phantom Summoners in D grade killing mobs in WOA or whatever are annoying, but what has ruined the game for me is the PVP bots, not the pve bots. Hire a smart guy, make it his only job to block 2-3 programs from injecting themselves into the client, job done. Problem is, they can't. It has to go through Korea.
some of these responses explain why the game is on its deathbed.

I have better gear than most +8 set, +14 blessed weapon, B.anthy and valakas, longing, +8 shirt, etc... and I am bored with the scripts used in abundance for pvp at seiges, etc...

i only have fun in oly, and that is getting boring too. the only thing that keeps it fun is that I only use 1 hand and point and click for everything...have to be on my game :)

I dont know what can be done...I dont think NCWEST has a clue either...but I assume a fair playing field is what drives competition.

I thought spending alot of money would help with the F2P system, but that only helps if people arent using 3rd party programs.

script users/ranger/whatever the dozens of names are out there now
RMT buyers
Bots
NCOIN purchasers
die hard legit players
casual L2 legits

The list above probably has 80% of users in the bottom half. So this, if accurate, means 20% of the people playing this game are ruining it for the other 80% and results in many quitting. thus the server decline....

Just out of ***** and giggles, I wonder what would happen if Nova suddenly disappeared from chronos server? I wonder if that move would stimulate a growth in the game on chronos?
Childish thinking that removing f2p option would remove bots... bots didn't apear in game with f2p. they was there allvays...just now it come more massive.. because uncotrolable thing spreaded...
from techinacal point of view you can ban bots - not by ip (it's useless solution, not all top farmers are chinese btw).. banning can be via software implementationand development. it's already well known software used by bots (it have russian influence btw, don't blame chinese for everything) so prohibit usage of it its easy from development point...
The other question if this game not too old for now. competitnios is also exists in this game field .. i think that this company didn't want to invest big money in this game which have unclear feature or popularty in time perpsective. like old engine, bugs, fight cheating, advertising all requires money.. maybe they think that removing bots is not going to make this game more popular, so why invest in development..
nowdays nobody want's to grind or make everything legit way..
p.s. conspiracy teory - so if can i got info about bann hammers, contacts how to unblock acount it's conspiracy..just deal with corruption..
Bots will never be gone. We can ban until we turn purple, and more will always continue to pop up. IMO, the only remedy is to expand hunting areas, speed up spawns and/or add more spawns. Bots are everywhere, and the only reason they piss anyone off is because they take all the mobs...not necessarily that they're there. So, expand and add..........fixed.
There were poroposal in anther forum to make servers for pvp, pve and for cheaters/botters separate..
I think I would be happiest if sometime during next major update to game they did a ninja ban to all the players that have to participate in the bot race to 100.

let and watch all those afk pve'ers get to 100/100 and then ban all those that botted to 100 at once...lol...that would make me happiest...

you let it go to long and top botters will have dozens of 99 toons in the wait...for either sale or just stockpiled for when the banhammer does arrive.
I dont know what can be done...I dont think NCWEST has a clue either...

During the last several years there hasn’t been much evidence that posting to these forums helps NCSoft run Lineage 2 successfully.

NCSoft is a global entity, with educated advisors and rooms full of experts from multiple industries. This company has successfully developed, created, marketed, distributed, maintains and updates popular games, repeatedly.

Don’t waste your time thinking your posts has infiltrated a single boardroom… get back to gaming and let business people run the world.
During the last several years there hasn’t been much evidence that posting to these forums helps NCSoft run Lineage 2 successfully.



true, true...but posts on this forum help ruin the game for sure.
I say just pull the dang plug already..........its sorta like taking a bandaid off SLOWLY at this point!
get back to gaming and let business people ruin the world.

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During the last several years there hasn’t been much evidence that posting to these forums helps NCSoft run Lineage 2 successfully.

NCSoft is a globe entity, with educated advisors and rooms full of experts from multiple industries. This company has successfully developed, created, marketed, distributed, maintains and updates popular games, repeatedly.

Don’t waste your time thinking your posts has infiltrated a single boardroom… get back to gaming and let business people run the world.


Exactly, just because everyone zergs the forums about the bot issue doesn't mean that's going to help. Obviously you can see the results of that labor if you go back to the last 10 pages. The more people pitch a fit the more mental suggestions to prevent botting I see. I'm tempted to pop a bag of popcorn every time I read the forums if it wasn't for my diet plan >.<
Chewing gum and squeeze toy will work too :)
Don’t waste your time thinking your posts has infiltrated a single boardroom…


Dreams smashed :eek: