Epeisodion

Hi guys i was searching at google for new changed and i found this :
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1044

What the hell is that?

It's part of our Valiance update, which consists of 3 updates (1 large, 1 medium, 1 small) in one.

http://www.lineage2.com/valiance/

More information to come next week! :cool:

rochand is where you go to discover that Korea is changing something. they give you the link and expect you to google translate everything on your own, then presumptively discuss their translations and Yidao corrects everyone's grammar.

they don't ever itemize changes or give you a batch of notes to read, just hand you a korean link and expect you to do your own translating.

it goes something like this :

Hey guys heres the new update!! yay new armor and levels and hunting grounds!!

yeah thats cool now my [class] sucks again

...


meanwhile NCJuji posts that we're getting Valiance.

amazing isn't it ?

That's exactly it :D

Rochand is not a database, not intended to be used for reference, but a discussion forum.
People must learn that everything is constantly changing and nothing is ever true :D

I actually go to rochand to learn about future patches, instead of the other sites.

Sure, terrabadgamers wiki doesnt ask you to google translate anything, but thats only coz they've already cut and pasted it from google translate already.

I think I will stick to rochand for good info.

in rochand it's hard to find info. you must read almost everything there, all bla bla and omh we are pro, teragamers noobs.. yes in teragamers it's just translations, with some mistakes, but not a chaos like in rochand.

Starting with the discussions about the new udate, Ertheia (I guess the english name would be Artheias), we are trying to keep links to information in the first forum post :

http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1136

We will see how this system goes, but feel free to ask your question at any time, even if you don't speak or read Korean at all. We do our best to answer everyone's questions :)

in rochand it's hard to find info. you must read almost everything there, all bla bla and omh we are pro, teragamers noobs.. yes in teragamers it's just translations, with some mistakes, but not a chaos like in rochand.

Laby is a nice person; it was his idea to keep links to information in the first forum post. I am not a nice person and I deliberately introduce as much chaos as possible :D

Do not be mislead by all my smileys. This is a serious matter. Never trust any information that is presented in a pleasing and well-ordered way. As any mathematician will tell you, we are living in a chaotic universe. Order does not reflect reality. Chaos reflects reality. Remember Colin Powell and his presentation about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell#Secretary_of_State) on February 5, 2003? By mistakenly trusting well-ordered information in English language that was given to him by intelligence agencies, Mr. Powell got several thousand American soldiers killed.

That's why we always give a link to the original Korean source. In this way you do not have to trust me or Laby or Sabotin or Dawe or any of the other Rochand regulars. You can check it out for yourself, either by using Google translator or by simply asking Korean friends.

Forcing people to read everything is also intended. As I have mentioned above, people must realize that everything is constantly changing and nothing is ever true. There is no salvation from ignorance. As a simple exercise, please read through all 10 pages of this thread:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=1062
This is not trivial. In about three weeks the Russian PTS will be up, hopefully with patch notes. The problem is that with the Lindvior PTS the Russians posted the translated original patch notes from Korea, which did not reflect the export version. By taking a look at the price for an Ability Point, we will be able to determine whether the upcoming patch notes are true or not.

All this is rather technical and not really suitable for new players. Therefore we do not lure people to Rochand. Neither Laby nor I have the url in our signature. Rochand is not a website for the faint of heart and feeble of mind. If you feel uncomfortable there, do not access it. After all, this is a game, something you should do for enjoyment :)

And yes, I am pro, as in being a professional translator who has to make a living from producing text. There are certain things you simply must have learned. As Laby has pointed out before, if you suffer from constant headaches, it is better to talk to somebody who has a doctorate in medicine. A baker could also give you an aspirin, but when it comes to tumors and stuff like that ... :D

10 pages? are you nuts?

tl;dr plzty

you forget not many of us care about your discussion. we want the facts and not the dramas.

in 10 pages of text how many posts contain translations of any form of a note (not a conference or whatever kim jong un said in an interview with some player from half a world away)

if its less than 10, you're doing it wrong.

That's what I was trying to say in my previous post :)

tl;dr:
If you want easy to grasp facts, don't access Rochand :D

Rochand's forums are place for ******s that discuss things, which most of the time are not true or not so correct, translated by google or by ppl who "supposedly" know Korean, but somehow they cant translate it to english or any other viable language.

The real info comes in a few russian forums that you can access only if you're in russia or use a proxy ofc.Gl with lolRochand :>

Starting with the discussions about the new udate, Ertheia (I guess the english name would be Artheias),...
Or with NC Translation Service "Tangenteia".

I think this is the names of our future updates:
Valiance
Jujiders
Tangenteia

Rochand's forums are place for ******s that discuss things, which most of the time are not true or not so correct, translated by google or by ppl who "supposedly" know Korean, but somehow they cant translate it to english or any other viable language.

The real info comes in a few russian forums that you can access only if you're in russia or use a proxy ofc.Gl with lolRochand :>


That's what I am trying to say all the time :)

Let me rephrase it without the expletives:
Rochand is a place where people discuss things, what's in the world of mountebanks and martial artists called 華山論劍 (http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%8F%AF%E5%B1%B1%E8%AB%96%E5%8A%8D). If you need a translation of that expression into a viable language you shouldn't go there :D

To say it again, Rochand is not a database. Everything that is written there is not true (from a global-intergalactic point if view). To make that fundamental incorrectness absolutely clear, I try to keep the discussion as chaotic as possible. Wikipedias, on the other hand, pretend to be right. They are, by presenting information in a well ordered way, insinuating that what is written there is actually true. That is of course nonsense. Nothing can be known, nothing is true.

Rochand does not provide any kind of service to the community. You will not find translations there. So it's best not to access that website :p

That's what I am trying to say all the time :)

Let me rephrase it without the expletives:
Rochand is a place where people discuss things, what's in the world of mountebanks and martial artists called 華山論劍 (http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%8F%AF%E5%B1%B1%E8%AB%96%E5%8A%8D). If you need a translation of that expression into a viable language you shouldn't go there :D

To say it again, Rochand is not a database. Everything that is written there is not true (from a global-intergalactic point if view). To make that fundamental incorrectness absolutely clear, I try to keep the discussion as chaotic as possible. Wikipedias, on the other hand, pretend to be right. They are, by presenting information in a well ordered way, insinuating that what is written there is actually true. That is of course nonsense. Nothing can be known, nothing is true.

Rochand does not provide any kind of service to the community. You will not find translations there. So it's best not to access that website :p

True, but you contradict your intergalactic nature in this same post.

I don't visit rochand, but you can't afford that privilege, can you? :)

I visit Rochand several times a day, even if it's just to delete private server posts :)


Now seriously and without any irony. You can get an impression of the procedure at Rochand from a pretty smart question Smittie had asked last Saturday:
http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=1048&start=650#p23677

As you can see from Laby's and my responses, the question about R95 equipment from the Olympiad Manager can't be answered offhandedly. Since the Korean Powerwiki team got laid off last December, you can't rely on that source any more. There are now only one or two people, developers or secretaries, who are puttering around a bit. A lot of the information in the NCKorea Powerbook Wikipedia is outdated and simply not correct any more. That's what I mean when I say "nothing can be known". Any website that posts Google-translated stuff from the Powerwiki is a priori wrong.

In order to answer Smittie's question it was necessary to look at the change log of the Grand Olympiad page:
http://power.plaync.co.kr/exe/ln2/doc.php?mode=history&doc_no=430
As you can see, there was heavy editing on May 23 and May 30, shortly after Epeisodion went live on May 22. And when you mouse over change line 0.94 (at present the second from the top) you will see that the editor was working on the paragraph that dealt with the Olympiad Token rewards. From that I concluded that R95 equipment was deliberately removed from the reward table on May 30. In this case the Powerwiki is actually up to date.

And that's where you actually need to know Korean. I have not yet found a way to CTRL+C those pop-up change notes so that they could be copy/pasted into Google Translator. We really are pro :)

I actually go to rochand to learn about future patches, instead of the other sites.

Sure, terrabadgamers wiki doesnt ask you to google translate anything, but thats only coz they've already cut and pasted it from google translate already.

I think I will stick to rochand for good info.

Issue with Rochand is the thread derails.

All the good information is there, but sometimes the side discussions can go on for several pages, making it almost impossible to decently follow the threads unless you are there from the beginning and know the flow of the conversation therein.

Some of those update threads go on for dozens of pages, and most people don't have the time or will to sift through there to find the information they are looking for. The threads aren't properly moderated to keep them on topic, or the corridor for what is on topic is too wide.

just check all relevant l2 forums daily and you have np keeping track of it all at least that works fine for me :)

typical forums would be: clan forum/official/rochand/rip l2guru/goha.ru/l2wiki/terragamer

not that many..

and if you want to go semi pro add korean/taiwan/japan forums but those require more effort and usually in matters of days their info gets reposted in the above..

I am not a nice person and I deliberately introduce as much chaos as possible :D


I really would like to spank your a s s raw for being this evil :D

In case you guys didn't understand it the first 3 times it was said.

Rochand is a discussion site about information we looked up. NOT a database of categorized information. There are sites for that. Those sites aren't necessarily accurate but its something.

I understand a lot of you have issues with reading for the unbearably long durations of 2 - 3 minutes (Some have issues with reading period) but if thats not your cup of tea then don't do it!

Basically what I'm saying is no one is forcing you to go to the site so don't whine over it. Either click the links in the first posts on rochand and hit one button to google translate or go to terragamers and read google translate for your Meridian update.

Sadly people are almost always whining about something no matter if it's forced or not. They'll just whine about a certain subject until they can't whine about it anymore, and then they go find something else to whine about. It's almost as if they aren't happy unless they have something to whine about.

in rochand it's hard to find info. you must read almost everything there

It is not difficult if you've already read these pages before, inform about new changes

complaining about the way some discussion website is organized and managed is like complaining about the laws of other country than yours. in both cases you stay away xD

It is not difficult if you've already read these pages before, inform about new changes

The threads are not kept manageable, with several side conversations and the top post is often abandoned after a while (can't really blame them).

The Valiance/Epeisodion thread there is like 70+ pages. Most people don't have time for that.

If you don't read the whole thread you often end up asking questions that have already been asked by 20 other people.

There should be one thread (locked) for information with posts that are kept updated, and another side thread for discussion. That would help people find the information they're looking for better, and makes a lot more sense than what they're currently doing there.

That being said, they can do whatever they want. It's their forum.

No offense to the rochand community, but unless you are in the "in" circle of people who post there continuously, the site really doesn't provide much usefulness to the dwindling L2 community that still exists. As most have said, the threads are hard to navigate at times to find information, and the way information is presented isn't really helpful.

This isn't meant to insult yidao or laby as they do a ton of work for nothing, but all that work could be better appreciated by the community your are trying to educate if you spent 1-2 mins more to organize the info you present in a locked thread.

Maybe all you guys care about is the conversations you have there and that's fine. Its just too bad to see the potential the forum has (and has had since it was created) be lost to what it is now...

Again, we are not trying to educate the community. We don't care about the community. I deliberately keep the information chaotic and don't interfere with side conversations to discourage everybody from using Rochand as a database.

Rochand is a private chat room. We are not interested in any potential, and we do not, repeat NOT, provide any categorized information.


Maybe Vali should lock this thread. Everything has been said.