We have temporarily disabled all Fishing Guild Member NPCs until further notice. This is due to some exploitation of the fishing system mechanics.
You will be able to continue fishing if you have the necessary items and will continue to gain XP and SP from it. During this time you will NOT be able to purchase fishing items, exchange corroded fishing items or gain rewards.
We'll let you know once the issue has been resolved.
UPDATE
The Fishing Guild Member NPCs has been re-activated. Changes have been made to mitigate exploitation by those using 3rd party programs but we'll continue to monitor the situation carefully and de-activate the NPCs again, if need be. We are still investigating accounts which have heavily exploited the system, and may hand out bans based on our results.
we have temporarily disabled all fishing guild member npcs until further notice. This is due to some exploitation of the fishing system mechanics.
You will be able to continue fishing if you have the necessary items and will continue to gain xp and sp from it. During this time you will not be able to purchase fishing items, exchange corroded fishing items or gain rewards.
We'll let you know once the issue has been resolved.
~ lineage ii team
woooooooooooooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you vali and ncsoft for reacting so quickly!!!!!!!!!!
woooooooooooooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you vali and ncsoft for reacting so quickly!!!!!!!!!!
Hope you had a great vacation and stuff too btw!!
You are an idiot. Now people like us who were trying to make money off fishing since EVERY OTHER WAY IN THIS GAME HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY are screwed again.
If anyone needs me I will be in clan hall with 20kk adena.
You are an idiot. Now people like us who were trying to make money off fishing since EVERY OTHER WAY IN THIS GAME HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY are screwed again.
If anyone needs me I will be in clan hall with 20kk adena.
Clown.
Why is Balls an idiot, were you exploiting the system to make money?
Now you guys can back to FORTUNA and earn your POWDER 1 by day THX for one crying moron who can open more than 1 client and crying about bots, nothing just quit game :)
This is entirely a game feature, not an exploit. It's just a feature that's being exploited by masses of bots.
Again the botters spoil the game for everybody.
Time for an account sign up fee, refundable as coins after 6 months if the account isn't banned and non-refundable on banning to pay the wages of 1 guy to ban bots all day long.
We have temporarily disabled all Fishing Guild Member NPCs until further notice. This is due to some exploitation of the fishing system mechanics.
You will be able to continue fishing if you have the necessary items and will continue to gain XP and SP from it. During this time you will NOT be able to purchase fishing items, exchange corroded fishing items or gain rewards.
We'll let you know once the issue has been resolved.
~ Lineage II Team
Those who invested in fishing knowing they could eventual make up the money they invested should be refunded their adena spent.
They didn't say they ban people for using it. They should said they look into it and remove it. They can't ban people for doing that stuff since it was not the players fault that NC Soft made that mistake ( if it even was a mistake , which I have my doubts with ) NC soft gave people the option to go fish....trade the fish jewel and sell it to an npc for 200k
So what did the player do wrong?
They didn't say they ban people for using it. They should said they look into it and remove it. They can't ban people for doing that stuff since it was not the players fault that NC Soft made that mistake ( if it even was a mistake , which I have my doubts with ) NC soft gave people the option to go fish....trade the fish jewel and sell it to an npc for 200k
So what did the player do wrong?
But we know about people being banned, people who sold these recipes to NPC.
They didn't say they ban people for using it. They should said they look into it and remove it. They can't ban people for doing that stuff since it was not the players fault that NC Soft made that mistake ( if it even was a mistake , which I have my doubts with ) NC soft gave people the option to go fish....trade the fish jewel and sell it to an npc for 200k
So what did the player do wrong?
"They didn't say they'll ban people for using it."
They don't have to announce it......
10-20 of my friends already messaged me with "omfg i got banned."
its different for using a bot programm and make use of it and sell these recipies. Or being a normal player who went fishing for real and then sold it ( without knowing its wrong) Since in the agreements etc of Lineage 2 and Nc Soft it doesnt say you are not allowed to grind/fish items and sell them to the npc.
Nice i just spent my last 100kk adena to fish and get more money. What will i do with 7kk adena now?
Hm...
Can someone give me the name of a good bot logi please? I will run it when i'll sleep and go to work. Instead of just lose my time to farm farm farm farm adena for nothing.
Thank you again NCFail for legit players.
Probably i'm the only one to think that but i think more dificult for legit player to get adena = more bot.
whell, today i finaly manage to borow 400 millions from a clan member. was happy!! made 50kk in half a day, already making plans, will give back in few days adena to my friend ** trusted me enogh to borow me, and after.. will ***** buy me in 1 mounth maybe a istina ring. now, i will start to sell my *** in aden cose i need 350kk more, u know.. to give adena back. if u want, please bring your own lube... cose i dont have.
+1, give me back my 10b - 20b i invested in poles, skills, shots, etc.
10-20b invested? Skills, lvl 13, only costs 400-500m. If you bought 500m-9.5b worth of bait and shots for a single char, that's your own stupidity. lol
If you're talking about buying items for multiple chars, then stop botting and that wouldn't be an issue since you can only actually fish on one char at a time manually.
We have temporarily disabled all Fishing Guild Member NPCs until further notice. This is due to some exploitation of the fishing system mechanics.
You will be able to continue fishing if you have the necessary items and will continue to gain XP and SP from it. During this time you will NOT be able to purchase fishing items, exchange corroded fishing items or gain rewards.
We'll let you know once the issue has been resolved.
seriously ppl... u believed that u can do in one h 20kk and this is legall?
i dont know wich game u are playing but for sure not l2 :).
this who are telling omg i didnt knew i was thinking is leggal i inform that we need work realy hard do be rich :D nothing is caming so easy ...:cool:
You do know I'm trolling, right? I'm unphased by this, completely. :)
WTS Fish Jewel :D
Careful, those were Kinky's last words before he got auto-banned for saying so on Shilen.
then 99% population of the servers would disappear :D
I already know countless people with Blessed epics, +6-8 dark sets, ++++'d Weapons, PVP weapons that have gotten their MAINS and countless alts banned.
I already know countless people with Blessed epics, +6-8 dark sets, ++++'d Weapons, PVP weapons that have gotten their MAINS and countless alts banned.
Doubt me? Make more friends, & ask around more.
thanks god people are jewish at naia and they kept those for their alt toons :(
*** bots, but my friend got ban. In goddard was shop with 60k+ fish jewels, so he buying it and resell in grocery 3k adena per 1 recipe, he never saw bot on his eyes, and got ban rofl D:
*** bots, but my friend got ban. In goddard was shop with 60k+ fish jewels, so he buying it and resell in grocery 3k adena per 1 recipe, he never saw bot on his eyes, and got ban rofl D:
Can't say this doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy lol
I won about 800 millions since saturday and only 100 millions come from Fishing Hat (70%) ^^ there's so many way to win money by fishing ;)selling your *** while wearing a hat isnt making money by fishing.
Can't say this doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy lol
The pony guy is a bigtime botter on the bot forums. He is just spreading lies, ignore him and let NCSoft do their work. If you're legit, then don't worry, but if you're a bot, then you better worry.
If anyone want to sell their jewels NOW - there is char Pipilotata, Naia, Aden
185k per jewel, not 200 of course, still much better than nothing with npc disabled
The pony guy is a bigtime botter on the bot forums. He is just spreading lies, ignore him and let NCSoft do their work. If you're legit, then don't worry, but if you're a bot, then you better worry.
Don't worry? About what? I'm legit and can't get adena. And i see all botters have more and more and more adena. Adena / 2? Np, 2x more bot! And legit what they do?
How the fxck you can say don't worry? Really?
The pony guy is a bigtime botter on the bot forums. He is just spreading lies, ignore him and let NCSoft do their work. If you're legit, then don't worry, but if you're a bot, then you better worry.
I've been here long enough to know whats up around here. No need to draw pictures for me. I got it long ago.
*** bots, but my friend got ban. In goddard was shop with 60k+ fish jewels, so he buying it and resell in grocery 3k adena per 1 recipe, he never saw bot on his eyes, and got ban rofl D:
WEREN'T U THE GUY THAT SPENT 5K$ ON A PC (server) to run bots? :)
Everybody have friend(s) with hidden abilities that only they know. Speaking yourself you can be 100% accurate, but about other who knows
I got a question for your friend, he was waiting for Giran/Aden/Rune to turn light to get more money ? Where did he got adena to buy 60k gems (that's 9b if he buys for 150k ea)
I myself spended a lot of hours to get the fish, open it and earn profit, and maybe i got more than botters got (or atleast not a massive bot like those octobotopus with 50+ fishermans in 1 stack .. and that is only halph of the bots .. the others are fishing in the opposite side) http://imageshack.us/a/img819/1400/c06e.jpg
Screen taken at 22.12.2013 and edited to avoid another warnings about the forum rules :)
Everybody have friend(s) with hidden abilities that only they know. Speaking yourself you can be 100% accurate, but about other who knows
I got a question for your friend, he was waiting for Giran/Aden/Rune to turn light to get more money ? Where did he got adena to buy 60k gems (that's 9b if he buys for 150k ea)
I myself spended a lot of hours to get the fish, open it and earn profit, and maybe i got more than botters got (or atleast not a massive bot like those octobotopus with 50+ fishermans in 1 stack .. and that is only halph of the bots .. the others are fishing in the opposite side) http://imageshack.us/a/img819/1400/c06e.jpg
Screen taken at 22.12.2013 and edited to avoid another warnings about the forum rules :)
Why do you need to black out certain bots in that screenshot?
´gogo guys in aden there is still someone buying the jewels for 185k/each u can still make money and **** this guy up XD
If anyone want to sell their jewels NOW - there is char Pipilotata, Naia, Aden
185k per jewel, not 200 of course, still much better than nothing with npc disabled
Or not.
Because they can create new accounts anyways. If they nerf the game its supposed to discourage it. All it does is punish everyone.
Will have a moment where the guy won't have enough adena to continue to buy fishing's skill..
This **** just encourage the last legit people to bot too.
Instead of starting to bot better start real stuff like jogging or something else .. and leave the sinking ship
Or start bot, go jogging or something else, and comeback to game with lot of adena?
12. Do not accuse others of hacking or cheating. If you believe a player has been violating the rules in game, you should report them to Customer Service using an in-game petition or the Customer Service webform. http://boards.lineage2.com/announcement.php?f=137
read this
seriously ppl... u believed that u can do in one h 20kk and this is legall?
i dont know wich game u are playing but for sure not l2 :).
this who are telling omg i didnt knew i was thinking is leggal i inform that we need work realy hard do be rich :D nothing is caming so easy ...:cool:
You are playing game for fun, or you're at some kind of heavy weight championship and testing your pharmacy?
rly guys get a break and think about it :)
Man just learn irony please. Trying it to explain people what kind of **** they're doing.
I never ran a bot and i won't begin.
We have temporarily disabled all Fishing Guild Member NPCs until further notice. This is due to some exploitation of the fishing system mechanics.
You will be able to continue fishing if you have the necessary items and will continue to gain XP and SP from it. During this time you will NOT be able to purchase fishing items, exchange corroded fishing items or gain rewards.
We'll let you know once the issue has been resolved.
~ Lineage II Team
Any ETA as to when it'll be available again? I'm getting pretty tired here, but I'd like to see what changes are implemented before going to sleep. -.-
First he flooded forums with tears asking to do something and in the same day he asks to bring situation back, brilliant! Those legits are sure funny ones.
first he flooded forums with tears asking to do something and in the same day he asks to bring situation back, brilliant! Those legits are sure funny ones.
First of all as an advocate of anti-bots, I have a few words for the $@&#'s that where complaining about a legit way of earning an income in this game which had all of its legit adena making ways NERFED INTO OBLIVION.
1. 99% of the people complaining about this are the same people complaining about how there is no adena in the game and no way to earn adena in this game legitly.
2. There was nothing stopping you from legitly fishing on your main for whatever reason apearances/recipes/materials/hats nothing illegal about selling stuff to a ingame shps
3. You people are so focused on what bots are doing when BOTS WILL ALWAYS BE IN THE GAME FARMING ADENA/XP Now there is absolutely no way for you to even compete with these "bots"
Edit: by legitly fishing I mean not over doing obviously there will be people abusing the system like previous posts in the thread you think NCsoft will make old events they used to make like the good old days? Keep dreaming kids.
DRAMATIC LOL @ this entire situation!
I've been wanting to check up fishing (never did since starting on official) after the Valiance changes, but always found some daily to do or xp party or lvl-ing my subs. Boy am I glad that I DIDN"T CHECK THE FISHING SYSTEM :D because I would've surely thought I have found a "gem" in this game whose drop rates of adena and items have been utterly destroyed (for players below lvl 90 at least). And probably I would've thought to myself: it's intelligent use of game mechanics, right? But it isn't. As some previous poster said: when you make 20 k k in one hour considering what has been done to the economy system as of late, something is clearly wrong.
The idea I am trying to make though is this: a few of those players getting banned will probably not be bots, they are probably people who just searched (and FOUND) a way to make easier money in a game which has 15 billion adena priced items in player shops, but whose lvl 90+ mobs drop @312 adena (I have Boz Core in mind when saying this).
I for one will fear checking any new features in the game (like the fishing changes were), for fear of not finding something which, in my burning desire to make more adena, will blind me to the fact it might be an exploit, and then find myself being banned.
As I've kept on saying for the past weeks: the only way to get items in this game will pretty soon be in-game-item-prostitution (that is: *****-kissing and such around players with chars rich-enough back from the day when this game had a proper drop system and a PROPER SPOIL SYSTEM--one of the most original things ever--).
Why do you cry, while you don't know what will the result or the changes?
For sure it was an easy way for bots and newbies too both to get Adena.
But after all for sure the best decision now to disable the NPC while they won't have any idea.
What i see to possible, that they will modify the recipe prices from 200k to 0 Adena. By this way give remove the constant and easy money gain option from bots, but keep the chance for the players to craft hats and if they give stats sell on good price.
Why does the fishing skills cost that much then ? 500kk just to trade for STEW or craft the most stupid hair accesorries ? Then add new hair accessories, or XP relevant to level of players. Gaining SP ??? REally? 70 SP ? Rofl.
Better fight the bots than nerf the legits.
So, another nerf coming instead of fighting the bots?
Stop really, stop ruining the game.I don't care if you nerft the fishing, the problem is not in it, the problem is you don't do anything to stop the bots -> THERE IS YOUR PROBLEM.
Until you find a viable way to actually make the botting software defunct, you'll be just cutting your legs more and more.
Don't forget to disable the Ceremony of Chaos. There are bots abusing the systems by signing automatically and farming rewards and CRP without doing anything
Don't forget to disable spoil, there are bots abusing the system by using programs which allow them to hunt 24h a day without any breaks. It should be safer if you remove any PvE on the map
I myself spent some time fishing, it was fun, and I did like 15-20m. Funny and nice, I expected to farm enough to pay back my fishing skills in few weeks. Sadly it seems that the current policy is to screw everything instead of focusing on the players abusing the systems.
By disabling it, you will stop most of the fishing bots. May be it would have been better to continue banning them like you did for some, studying who is managing those things and catch more people in the end. But that may be too much for Lineage II crew, a 3 people team
So, another nerf coming instead of fighting the bots?
Stop really, stop ruining the game.I don't care if you nerft the fishing, the problem is not in it, the problem is you don't do anything to stop the bots -> THERE IS YOUR PROBLEM.
Until you find a viable way to actually make the botting software defunct, you'll be just cutting your legs more and more.
You are an idiot. Now people like us who were trying to make money off fishing since EVERY OTHER WAY IN THIS GAME HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY are screwed again.
If anyone needs me I will be in clan hall with 20kk adena.
Clown.
+1
Legit lvl 88, 22kk adena, spent 50kk in fishing equipment/skills, nothing more to say.
This is entirely a game feature, not an exploit. It's just a feature that's being exploited by masses of bots.
Again the botters spoil the game for everybody.
Time for an account sign up fee, refundable as coins after 6 months if the account isn't banned and non-refundable on banning to pay the wages of 1 guy to ban bots all day long.
That will not work, as hard botters earn even more money tan NC.
Seriously? What next? Disable whole servers? Because we have 3500 bots exploiting system mechanics by 24/7 exp?
Next will be change adena into "random name", 1b adena = 1m random name.
For me nothing has change, and as I already stated on my thread http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=264028 this is just more propaganda. Until they make a real anti-bot system and wipe the entire db, for me this is just to make happy ppl like "Balls" with no brain and don't seeying the whole picture.
They nerf drops/spoils = more bots to compensate
They nerf adena = np lets make an army of bots fishing
They nerf fish = np lets sploit anything that give 1 adena with a bigger army of bots
This just encourage legit players even more, so this company is doing one or two:
1) they don't want legit players on this game
2) they think this way are going to stop bots, I hardly beleive this is the answer after 10 years of fail.
We have temporarily disabled all Fishing Guild Member NPCs until further notice. This is due to some exploitation of the fishing system mechanics.
You will be able to continue fishing if you have the necessary items and will continue to gain XP and SP from it. During this time you will NOT be able to purchase fishing items, exchange corroded fishing items or gain rewards.
We'll let you know once the issue has been resolved.
~ Lineage II Team
After researching the fishing system I spent 500m adena on maxing out my fishing skills. I'm not a bot but I was fully expecting to be able to get that money back with a profit.
If you decide to change the fishing system now without warning then you have to return the money that people have spent in vain.
There is no exploit in the fishing system itself. You are supposed to be able to make decent money of it. The only problem is when people are using bots to exploit the fishing.
After researching the fishing system I spent 500m adena on maxing out my fishing skills. I'm not a bot but I was fully expecting to be able to get that money back with a profit.
If you decide to change the fishing system now without warning then you have to return the money that people have spent in vain.
There is no exploit in the fishing system itself. You are supposed to be able to make decent money of it. The only problem is when people are using bots to exploit the GAME.
I myself spent some time fishing, it was fun, and I did like 15-20m. Funny and nice, I expected to farm enough to pay back my fishing skills in few weeks. Sadly it seems that the current policy is to screw everything instead of focusing on the players abusing the systems.
By disabling it, you will stop most of the fishing bots. May be it would have been better to continue banning them like you did for some, studying who is managing those things and catch more people in the end. But that may be too much for Lineage II crew, a 3 people team
Fyi on Naia after NC disabled the NPC and start banning a lot of the fish bots the server load went down with more then 1.5k accounts so NC did the right thing cause that's a f$cking lot of bots..
best suggestion so far is to make the recipes from Fishing have an npc value of zero and problem solved for 99%..
I just will miss kinky... he earn 20b by fishing and.... BAN! antharas,b.antharas,b.valakas,tauti ring, aq soul, +15 b apo retri and +7 dark robe set and probably 60b+ in inventory and few dark store and other items, well what i can say! GG fishermans XD i hope it is TIME ban and all back :) i need items for oly xd
Fyi on Naia after NC disabled the NPC and start banning a lot of the fish bots the server load went down with more then 1.5k accounts so NC did the right thing cause that's a f$cking lot of bots..
best suggestion so far is to make the recipes from Fishing have an npc value of zero and problem solved for 99%..
Good to know. And yup that's a lot of bots =)
If you fix the NPC value of the recipes to 0, you can still sell the crafted hair accessory which are worth money. That would be a start tho
If you fix the NPC value of the recipes to 0, you can still sell the crafted hair accessory which are worth money. That would be a start tho
and what will be kick in the botters ***** since they will craft also ?
just normal players will give up on that system
Although farming whatever item and selling it to vendors doesn't constitute any illegal activity, and although some supposedly non botting tons got banned as well, 1.5k bots banned is quite an achievement.
So, please NCSOFT, add more of these bot traps in the game and make bot owners actually lose some money by investing in something before they can have a chance to profit.
LOL @ these people saying they invested 20 bil to legit fish how stupid do you think we are, u was setting up a bot operation and u got busted so u got what u deserve only thing left to do is kill yourself in real life..
As for the losers like kinky I don't even see why people are wasting their time talking about this we all know someone that pays GM salary thru Ncoins will be back in game before we know it. Only people that will stay banned are the bots that never invested in Ncoins same rules as always so the hero bots will be back botting in GF and all the prime locations just as before this fishing scandal.
LoL again that people thought they could exploit that much money and no punishment. I just dream of a world with GMs that have a backbone and actually ban all bots and leave them banned so real players can enjoy a game instead of people making it a career. I am not sure how farming arena will look on your resume if you had to get a real job though but good luck. 1 more LoL
Server NAIA - Fishing Guild Member restored (Town of Oren) afther server went down.
Is this a fail of NcSoft (happen afther server down) or things went to normal as before ?
P.S. I have no recipes or something else to sell now but saw on Hero Chat that prices for recipes are same (1 fish jewel/recipe pty hat) ---> 200k at grocer ..also I don't see any changes on Fishing guild Member
LoL again that people thought they could exploit that much money and no punishment. I just dream of a world with GMs that have a backbone and actually ban all bots and leave them banned so real players can enjoy a game instead of people making it a career. I am not sure how farming arena will look on your resume if you had to get a real job though but good luck. 1 more LoL
Thats why a test server would be an awesome idea.test everything and avoid this kind of things.also it wasnt exploit it was working as intended xD they put it live so they knew about it.if they didnt knew about it,well read first sentence again for test server.
Im sure poyebany that u want the fishing manager back. Your 5k $ pc what u buy helped u making a lot of money with fishing. Maybe thats why u "legit player" run naked around :D
People just find way how make adena. Some of them use bots for fishing. Mby will be better give all people after char creation full equiped character, with dark set and weapon, 300b in inventory and stuff so we can avoid this kind of drama.
Im sure poyebany that u want the fishing manager back. Your 5k $ pc what u buy helped u making a lot of money with fishing. Maybe thats why u "legit player" run naked around :D
12... only poor guys w/o real job buying pc for 5k rofl, find job and we can talk! and im runing naked BEACUSE I LIKE XD
Problem is that, that normal ppl 99lvl that was fishing 1 week and they made a lot of jewels, or ppl that was buying and later selling items to npc on their main char took ban also.
AND ITS NOT EXPLOIT
its normal that, ppl wanted to make adena cuz our server dont allow us to make it, in normal way...
all other servers korea and eu servers
have normal recipe prices, mobs on low lvl areas drops more adena
they didnt nerf drops on that other servers
WE HAVE SPECIAL FILES, CUZ NCSOFT CANT MAKE NOTHING AGAINST BOTS
ITS LIKE "DETERLUDE", NCSOFT HAVE ORGINAL VALIANCE FILES :)
Don't forget to disable the Ceremony of Chaos. There are bots abusing the systems by signing automatically and farming rewards and CRP without doing anything
Don't forget to disable spoil, there are bots abusing the system by using programs which allow them to hunt 24h a day without any breaks. It should be safer if you remove any PvE on the map
I myself spent some time fishing, it was fun, and I did like 15-20m. Funny and nice, I expected to farm enough to pay back my fishing skills in few weeks. Sadly it seems that the current policy is to screw everything instead of focusing on the players abusing the systems.
By disabling it, you will stop most of the fishing bots. May be it would have been better to continue banning them like you did for some, studying who is managing those things and catch more people in the end. But that may be too much for Lineage II crew, a 3 people team
You can't stop there. If you are talking about abuse of systems by bots EVERYTHING in the game is abused by bots, PvE and PvP both.
Specifically for this system. It's an issue because NcSoft isn't getting a cut. Why invest in drop runes and the like when you can just go fishing?
If you needed to buy an NC store item to make this money, you can bet your butt it would still be around.
The second reason of course is the insane numbers of bots doing this... but so long as the items are exchangeable, bots will exist for it... why? The expertise items and the stews are worthwhile for many reasons, and are valuable to those who use them, especially given the nerf to pre awakened classes (no more OE'd skills).
This is not much different than the Adena drop nerf to "fix" the bot issue. Only fixing the bot issue will fix the bot issue, messing up ways for people to make money regardless of bot or not doesn't fix anything but give them a more desperate market to sell to.
Just make auto system, all PC from which is logged more than 3 accounts, automatic BANNED or OFF gameguard = AUTO BAN simple no need so much systems for detect bots....
12... only poor guys w/o real job buying pc for 5k rofl, find job and we can talk! and im runing naked BEACUSE I LIKE XD
Well im thinking u run naked around cause u was 24/7 at fishing doc and u are just scared to loose your boted items. i just hope that the GM will check your acount to :D
Just make auto system, all PC from which is logged more than 3 accounts, automatic BANNED or OFF gameguard = AUTO BAN simple no need so much systems for detect bots....
They already do that with GG, and bots have always been able to get around it since they have started. And the more than 3 accounts they have bypased for the longest time... they can't use "set and forget" methods to get around bots, because bots have the time and incentive to find a way around it.
Ban the toons, and sit a gm with a screen showing the starter areas on every server so they can sit there and ban all the bots scripted to automatically run through the levels.
Once the bots get around that (probably playing by hand for a little bit, or much more complicated routines) then you can start looking at the higher level areas where they are auto hunting again.
Actual live monitoring is the only way to catch them continuously regardless of how well they keep the bots updated... but that costs money and man hours, which is why they don't do it. It's cheaper to buy a product like game guard and pay whatever it's license fees is than to pay for the live GM's needed to actually do the job properly.
Now they can only check who dont use GG or have more accounts, but i talk about AUTO BAN if you turn off GG = AUTO BAN simple, 30 bans on every server and no more ppl use BOT.
minor detail but in Korea all rewards from fishing got nerfed in their value of selling to NPC Shop so expect that patch to be applied here next maintenance this Wednesday
Now they can only check who dont use GG or have more accounts, but i talk about AUTO BAN if you turn off GG = AUTO BAN simple, 30 bans on every server and no more ppl use BOT.
As far as NCsoft is concerned, all of these accounts DO use GG. So turn off GG = Ban would catch almost no one.
In fact, it would probably ban more legit people than bots, because GG is total trash and crashes/has issues (and causes far more).
It's just 99.9999% useless as a bot preventative. The last fraction of a percentage are people dumb enough to use old versions of bots, or run them before they get updated for new versions of L2/GG.
GG hurts legit users a lot more than it hurts bots lol , I went through hell trying to get the game run like a month ago and I've received messages of ppl who have had the same problem as I did.
P.S. - Naia -> heavy -> light trololo , where dem tentacle monsters at ? :D
Don't forget to disable the Ceremony of Chaos. There are bots abusing the systems by signing automatically and farming rewards and CRP without doing anything
Don't forget to disable spoil, there are bots abusing the system by using programs which allow them to hunt 24h a day without any breaks. It should be safer if you remove any PvE on the map
I myself spent some time fishing, it was fun, and I did like 15-20m. Funny and nice, I expected to farm enough to pay back my fishing skills in few weeks. Sadly it seems that the current policy is to screw everything instead of focusing on the players abusing the systems.
By disabling it, you will stop most of the fishing bots. May be it would have been better to continue banning them like you did for some, studying who is managing those things and catch more people in the end. But that may be too much for Lineage II crew, a 3 people team
I could NOT agree with you more.
+1 for Disable PVE, so bots can't do that.
+1 for Disable PVP also, so bots can't use auto-targeting.
Good logic, NCwest. Good logic, turning a MMO / server(s) that was perfectly fine into Hello Kitty Online private server.
NCWest has been infested with bots for YEARS now, it's TOO LATE to turn around and start some great cleanup act. Stop interferring in OUR gameplay (yes, our, not yours. You have no idea the consequences of your actions, do you?) and just let it be. People who want to play without bots should go to Innova where from day 1 it was bot free.
Now someone said "Innova is for EU players." - Well, NC West is hosted in America, yet the majority of it's players are European and from other countries. If you want a bot free environment FFS go to Innova.
A majority of the players are here for a reason, for the ease of the game brought by 'cheating', it might as well as be made legal before NC West is just forced to shut down due to loss of prospects from their idiotic decision making.
Then there's those "legit" players, who claim they're legit, but secretly buy adena, or bought their character 1 year ago, or have somewhere along the lines broken the EULA - Swearing on their mothers graves up & down that they are legitimate. I'm doubtful in these players and posts.
I'm losing all faith (Well, what remains after the past year of Fail.) I had in NC West with these rash, terribly composed (if composed at all), decisions. My CP is two players down now, because of these egregious decisions made by the staff of NC West. Now what am I supposed to do? Find two more players who will work hard, get +++'d gear, spend thousands on NCoin, etc? Wait for them to reroll? Doubt it, this is probably the end for a lot of players, considering the amount of epics / gear / investments that I've heard people lost with the bannings.
NCWest has been infested with bots for YEARS now, it's TOO LATE to turn around and start some great cleanup act. Stop interferring in OUR gameplay (yes, our, not yours. You have no idea the consequences of your actions, do you?) and just let it be. People who want to play without bots should go to Innova where from day 1 it was bot free.
I disagree completely. It's not a problem that they are doing something about bots, it's that what they are doing about bots is entirely ineffectual.
Reduced drops from mobs... Impact to bots? They start another train or two or increase prices... what do they care?
Impact to players? Makes it harder for the average person to make adena and increases the likelyhood that they will pursue other means of getting it.
Will it drive up sales of runes in the ncstore? Maybe, but I doubt it would be a sustained increase.
Bots have been all but eliminated from the game on several occasions. And the only time it would destroy the economy is when NC soft has forced the economy down to a point where only literally thousands of man hours worth of farming would result in the needed materials and adena to do anything.
The start of GoD was perfect for the general player simply because that was completely the opposite of how it was. You could make reasonable money, you could get basic bound gear with almost no money out. You could get slightly better gear with investment. And the major gear (OE'd, certain epics, etc) were all premium stuff you had to pay a LOT for and/or work your butt off to get.
L2 is absolutely playable without the bots. The problem is the bots are always present and people get used to working around them. And when the drops/spoils and general adena in the game start getting ground into the floor, people fall back on them because we don't have the population in game to support the insane amount of collective hours needed to overcome the pathetic drop/spoil rates without them.
Well, when I did seen the post exploit I just laughed about and facepalmed by having sold some jewels on AH by 170K previously due to market pressure. lol
After, I did commemorate, since on post my guide (http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=264062) to try to help everyone my first worry was about fishing jewels price rolling down the hill due to people in hurry to get Adena. (To the good or to the evil, this fixed minimal price on 200K, so my jewels value of ~230K was protected).
As on any market: More hurry, less money...
Instead of getting 20KK/h, we could be doing 23~27 on AH, rich people (my theory) was not interested on the npc thing, but instead on craft for pendants. If NC puts the recipes price to 0, my second worry is about the standard jewel's price on AH.
My first worry is what NC considers an "exploit", I don't understand their logic... I'm trying, seriously...
Any simple and repetitive ingame activity that does generate profit to legit players WILL be used by botters more efficiently by the simple fact that a bot doesn't need a player behind the keyboard. So they'll always win by quantity and time. Knowing this, ALL profitable game fatures should require more human interaction. It's simple and will reward the ones that plays accordingly ^^.
I would like to see a mini Raid Boss with the fisherman level, summoned sometimes instead of always Goldeen to kill the 3rd party software controlled characters or at least slow down their progress. To avoid protectors, this raid just could get damage from the player that caught him (as just the player that summons Goldeen can get a reward), by the minimal, this will require a logoff. So, just make this boss wait a bit on the same place by the bot comming back ^^.
To decrease some cells value on a database is easy. What about instead of just goes with the nerf anything bots can do policy, trying to adopt increase the things bots can't do policy?
Imho: Fixing the rules to damage "bad apples" is nice, IF ON DOING THIS you are not condemning also your entire community each time more to play a game where you can get no fair/enough rewards or progress. C'mon! You are NCSoft! The MMOs guys!
Well no more ways to get adena even for legit players LOL. hmm NCSOFT should at least do a maximum number of fishing bait's to purchase in a day. Or maybe limit maximum fishing time (Doesn't really make sense because who says you can only fish for a number of hours) But At least it will limit The adena earned by bots and legit players. I'm still thinking of what possible ways it won't affect the players..because taking the fishing system out is just ridiculous.
I hope you know thay it's the most happy day for RMT sellers? :rolleyes:
For a moment they were terrified they will lost their business since making 100kk+/day was no problem at all.
But the NCWest saved the day as always.
Well no more ways to get adena even for legit players LOL. hmm NCSOFT should at least do a maximum number of fishing bait's to purchase in a day. Or maybe limit maximum fishing time (Doesn't really make sense because who says you can only fish for a number of hours) But At least it will limit The adena earned by bots and legit players. I'm still thinking of what possible ways it won't affect the players..because taking the fishing system out is just ridiculous.
Still won't matter. Limit the shot user per account? Make more fish bots.
Limit the fishing time? Make more fish bots.
Do anything else at all to limit it.. yup, make more fish bots.
Limit the numbers able to be done server wide (like the old manor system). Bots are quicker than 99% of players and will have it sold out and locked down before all but a handful of players can get it... kinda like CoC already is some nights.
You can't fight bots by just restricting things, because they can get around it easy as hell. All you are doing is crippling people who want to actual do it.
Same with the idea to have a raid spawn and need damage. Bots would either roll summoners and have the pets attack it while they continue to fish, or if not viable, they would just log out each time, wait a bit, log in again, and be done with it. It's impossible to automate screwing them up because anything automated can have an automatic response made for it... that's kind of the point of a bot... they do things that are highly repetitive and structured. Making a system that does something predictable (even if it has some variation in it), and you can create a way to bypass or work around it just as easily as they do anything else.
Still won't matter. Limit the shot user per account? Make more fish bots.
Limit the fishing time? Make more fish bots.
Do anything else at all to limit it.. yup, make more fish bots.
Limit the numbers able to be done server wide (like the old manor system). Bots are quicker than 99% of players and will have it sold out and locked down before all but a handful of players can get it... kinda like CoC already is some nights.
You can't fight bots by just restricting things, because they can get around it easy as hell. All you are doing is crippling people who want to actual do it.
Same with the idea to have a raid spawn and need damage. Bots would either roll summoners and have the pets attack it while they continue to fish, or if not viable, they would just log out each time, wait a bit, log in again, and be done with it. It's impossible to automate screwing them up because anything automated can have an automatic response made for it... that's kind of the point of a bot... they do things that are highly repetitive and structured. Making a system that does something predictable (even if it has some variation in it), and you can create a way to bypass or work around it just as easily as they do anything else.
Scary **** :/ Robotic's ruled this game so long that I doubt it will ever change.
It's funny how the answer to salvation is so simple : get rid of bots and because of the team's inability to do so ( sadly) ppl try to come up with different solutions that will never even get the slightest amount of attention.
I hope you know thay it's the most happy day for RMT sellers? :rolleyes:
For a moment they were terrified they will lost their business since making 100kk+/day was no problem at all.
But the NCWest saved the day as always.
L2 is absolutely playable without the bots. The problem is the bots are always present and people get used to working around them. And when the drops/spoils and general adena in the game start getting ground into the floor, people fall back on them because we don't have the population in game to support the insane amount of collective hours needed to overcome the pathetic drop/spoil rates without them.
Well, majority of your statement falls under my quote:
I'm losing all faith (Well, what remains after the past year of Fail.)
This contains: The drop nerfs, terrible events, NC Store money grubbing. I won't lie, the game's great; just the administration (NC West) has lack of perspective and is/are not fit to do their job(s). They hurt "legit" players more than they do the botters with this.
A rumor I heard was they're deleting the adena from fishing, so what if a "Bot Master" that RMT'd and sold XXXXXXXXXXX adena has 0 adena to lose? Because it's all gone / sold?
Are they tracing it to the people whom bought the adena with their RL $ and deleting that adena? I understand that RMT is against the EULA but it's unjust in a way; as prior to this situation them buying adena probably wouldn't result in the adena being deleted and it'd be considered "safe (to get away with)"
The people who bought the adena are probably those whom don't like the task of botting / running bots, and claim they're "legit". (Oh, I know a handful of these guys)
I've so many questions for the administration of NC West, but it's impossible to get a hold of someone higher up than Juji. Which is a bit pathetic when it comes to customer service if you ask me.
U would hide or stay under the radar too if you wasn't doing your job in any aspect and even the times u look like your half ***** doing it you undo everything you just did or unban because your spineless and don't really care about the game just the $$
Well, majority of your statement falls under my quote:
This contains: The drop nerfs, terrible events, NC Store money grubbing. I won't lie, the game's great; just the administration (NC West) has lack of perspective and is/are not fit to do their job(s). They hurt "legit" players more than they do the botters with this.
A rumor I heard was they're deleting the adena from fishing, so what if a "Bot Master" that RMT'd and sold XXXXXXXXXXX adena has 0 adena to lose? Because it's all gone / sold?
Are they tracing it to the people whom bought the adena with their RL $ and deleting that adena? I understand that RMT is against the EULA but it's unjust in a way; as prior to this situation them buying adena probably wouldn't result in the adena being deleted and it'd be considered "safe (to get away with)"
The people who bought the adena are probably those whom don't like the task of botting / running bots, and claim they're "legit". (Oh, I know a handful of these guys)
I've so many questions for the administration of NC West, but it's impossible to get a hold of someone higher up than Juji. Which is a bit pathetic when it comes to customer service if you ask me.
I have been playing this game for a very long time. Took months to get to level 20, we had no vit, no gear, no buffs and certainly no way to make decent Adena. Farmers/Adena sellers have been part of this game since the beginning as has RMT except now, with the implementation of the gifting system, there is a way to do RMT which does not violate (or at least to my knowledge) the EULA.
My $25 ncoin card gets me 1 to 1.5b Adena.... Does that put me in your "unlegit" category?
Exactly, it's simple enough to see who was exploiting the feature so ban them,fix the exploit so we can cry and moan about being punished thanks to bots for the next two weeks and move on to the next complaint.
I have been playing this game for a very long time. Took months to get to level 20, we had no vit, no gear, no buffs and certainly no way to make decent Adena. Farmers/Adena sellers have been part of this game since the beginning as has RMT except now, with the implementation of the gifting system, there is a way to do RMT which does not violate (or at least to my knowledge) the EULA.
My $25 ncoin card gets me 1 to 1.5b Adena.... Does that put me in your "unlegit" category?
No, I'm saying people that BLATANTLY buy adena / items / accounts sit claiming they're "legit" blah blah, yet they're just as bad as the botters. A rule broken is a rule broken.
I don't know for sure, but if they banned people for this then I think it's crazy!
I used to think that you can't do stuff like this in retail, because it was bug free, but it seems that nobody cares anymore, feels really like a private server.
I don't know for sure, but if they banned people for this then I think it's crazy!
I used to think that you can't do stuff like this in retail, because it was bug free, but it seems that nobody cares anymore, feels really like a private server.
Part of the problem is there is never any test servers before the patch goes live. This problem would have been rooted out before it was exploited on live servers.
NC dropped this update without letting players test it out. Bots have basically ruined a lot this game.
Part of the problem is there is never any test servers before the patch goes live. This problem would have been rooted out before it was exploited on live servers.
NC dropped this update without letting players test it out. Bots have basically ruined a lot this game.
even when there used to be a testing server, only 2 things happened: people gatehopped at Giran for PVP, and people created tons of accounts to give themselves money to make OE gear.
that's it.
none of the new content EVER got tested and it ALWAYS bugged out at launch and then the "fan" base began to whine that NC never patched bugs.
that's kinda why they gave up "testing" content.
thats why Balor and Lindivior were un-raidable for such a long time. high end PVE is not what players ever did at test time.
even when there used to be a testing server, only 2 things happened: people gatehopped at Giran for PVP, and people created tons of accounts to give themselves money to make OE gear.
that's it.
none of the new content EVER got tested and it ALWAYS bugged out at launch and then the "fan" base began to whine that NC never patched bugs.
that's kinda why they gave up "testing" content.
thats why Balor and Lindivior were un-raidable for such a long time. high end PVE is not what players ever did at test time.
This is true, it was pvping with all the bells and whistles and no loss.
Those who invested in fishing knowing they could eventual make up the money they invested should be refunded their adena spent.+1. Spent like 200kk+ into the skills and stuff and got back on a small fraction of it so far... GF on disabling it! NOT! I wanna see how u'r gonna counter the fishing bots... since its the only ppl who abused it.
1) The people insulting Balls or even blaming him, you guys are sad. Either dumb kids or frustrated peckers that don't know how to play the game.
IF you honestly believe NC wasn't going to find out, you are even more dumb then I thought.
It is good he brought this to light, because the bots were earning obscene amounts of money. Them together with NC are the ones ruining this game.
One for running the bots, the other for refusing to do something about them or not taking the appropriate action. (or too late too little)
Now you can call me or the others " just another bot crybaby". But that just means you are either one of those bots, chances are high since there are so many. Or you have no clue what the bots are actually doing.
2) @Vali in you're initial post you call this an exploit? How on earth can you call this an exploit while it's obvious for everyone to see it's a blunder on your end. It's how "you" (NC) brought the game to us. You messed up by putting those prices and sell value's. So this is not an exploit.
I'm pretty sure people crying here about getting banned after doing this were probably banned for other things such as botting. If they were banned for this, I hope they sue you, because you provide the means to use it and you decided to put the prices as they are, it's not the people's fault they found it and tried to make a proffit.
But as I said, most likely the people that did get banned are now trying to use this to mask the real reason as why they got banned.
2) @Vali in you're initial post you call this an exploit? How on earth can you call this an exploit while it's obvious for everyone to see it's a blunder on your end. It's how "you" (NC) brought the game to us. You messed up by putting those prices and sell value's. So this is not an exploit.
I would not call it exploit aswell. Adena gained from fishing was worth of effort.
Bots were selling a lot of vesper key materials from MoS and other old locations, was that exploit aswell?
However NCWest did best thing, not in time but still better than for example keeping it like that. Otherwise in few months prices of everything would be ridicilously high.
Honestly I am against what is happening now as well, It was a good way to spend your time relaxing and just gaining income, no need to watch around for wars, you could just fish talk with other people and gain something from that....
lol post removed after being up here for 2 minutes.
GG - if some1 speaks the truth and makes a valid point. let's just silence them.
Are you guys stuck in the 1950's?
Oh yeah forgot.. freedom of speech isn't really a thing in the states.
Hm i still see your post there.
Honestly I am against what is happening now as well, It was a good way to spend your time relaxing and just gaining income, no need to watch around for wars, you could just fish talk with other people and gain something from that....
Absolutely. I loved fishing as well.
But after 2 weeks the bots completely ruined the fishing competition. They got Top5 with all 93.000 fish within 45 minutes.
I was making a nice buck with fishing, BUT this means the bots were making 40ish bil per week. This can't be tolerated.
The biggest problem is that alot of those bots are no longer Chinese goldfarmers, but actual players.
And they abuse the market, get insanely powered characters where 90% of the server can't compete against.
Hence unbalancing the game in such a way it becomes unplayable for alot of people. And this way it does become a cheat or exploit or whatever you want to call it.
No human being can fish 24/7 for 14 days straight.
I selled circa 40 000 jewels in shop. And ofc banned.
I bought it 195 000 and selled 200 000. It calls marketing. Like in real life.
Its not forbidden - buy items and sell it in shop. Its not ours fauld, this price 200 000.
If that is honestly the reason you got banned, please post a screenshot of what the gm said?
If that is the case it will probably a 24h or 3 day ban or something so you can no longer "abuse" the system. (NC's mistake, not yours)
if You really did get banned permanently for this reason. You can file a complaint or even sue them imo. Because it was their mistake, not yours. No where did they say it was illegal or wrong.. They made the prices like they were.
But for all I know you had a fishing bot running and that's why you got banned... in this case byebye and good riddance :)
If that is honestly the reason you got banned, please post a screenshot of what the gm said?
If that is the case it will probably a 24h or 3 day ban or something so you can no longer "abuse" the system. (NC's mistake, not yours)
if You really did get banned permanently for this reason. You can file a complaint or even sue them imo. Because it was their mistake, not yours. No where did they say it was illegal or wrong.. They made the prices like they were.
But for all I know you had a fishing bot running and that's why you got banned... in this case byebye and good riddance :)
No e-mail till yet. Didnt send petition yet. Will see, what will they say after maintenance.
It wasnt my main. It was my trader. 10 lvl only. I have it 4 years aldy. A lot of items, money. resourses ....
My friend also banned like me. Its 1000 % because of quantity jewells selled in shop.
1) The people insulting Balls or even blaming him, you guys are sad. Either dumb kids or frustrated peckers that don't know how to play the game.
IF you honestly believe NC wasn't going to find out, you are even more dumb then I thought.
It is good he brought this to light, because the bots were earning obscene amounts of money. Them together with NC are the ones ruining this game.
One for running the bots, the other for refusing to do something about them or not taking the appropriate action. (or too late too little)
Now you can call me or the others " just another bot crybaby". But that just means you are either one of those bots, chances are high since there are so many. Or you have no clue what the bots are actually doing.
2) @Vali in you're initial post you call this an exploit? How on earth can you call this an exploit while it's obvious for everyone to see it's a blunder on your end. It's how "you" (NC) brought the game to us. You messed up by putting those prices and sell value's. So this is not an exploit.
I'm pretty sure people crying here about getting banned after doing this were probably banned for other things such as botting. If they were banned for this, I hope they sue you, because you provide the means to use it and you decided to put the prices as they are, it's not the people's fault they found it and tried to make a proffit.
But as I said, most likely the people that did get banned are now trying to use this to mask the real reason as why they got banned.
I don't blame Balls at all, he just don't see the whole picture. I blame this company for nerfing legit players to the point of thinking continue playing.
I don't blame Balls at all, he just don't see the whole picture. I blame this company for nerfing legit players to the point of thinking continue playing.
I didn't even read all the insulting post, let alone I would read the name of who wrote them. So I'm not sure why you think i'm pointing at you.
There was even one telling him to get cancer.. wtf??? These kind of people should be banned.
Bottom line: 70% recipes now cost 12 jewels, bots will still make lots of adena, live players have to fish 12 hours per day to get what they did in 1 hour. If anyone sees any kind of fix here is welcome to contribute...
P.S. All legit players give it away for Balls who single handed managed to give you his BALLS
@Vali in you're initial post you call this an exploit? How on earth can you call this an exploit while it's obvious for everyone to see it's a blunder on your end. It's how "you" (NC) brought the game to us. You messed up by putting those prices and sell value's. So this is not an exploit.
This logic is flawed, every company in the world would be sued if people did what they wanted with their products. If I bash your head in with my keyboard should Logitech be sued? If I strangle you with a Heritage cotton camisole will the lawyers bust down the doors over at Victoria's Secret? People need to be held accountable for their actions, as simple as that. Everyone that took advantage of this "EXPLOIT" knew very well they were exploiting a game mechanic. They should be banned.
You will not exploit any bug in Lineage II and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Lineage II. Bugs should be promptly reported via 'Ask A Question' at http://help.ncsoft.com.
The Fishing NPC items which netted (pun intended) large amounts of money for little efforts... compared to any other way to earn funds via game mechanics.
The use of the bot armies amplified the exploit exponentially... none the less, it is impossible for anyone to believe (regardless of intelligence) NCwest wanted to flood the market with Adena. Their reaction to the "exploit" is proof enough.
The Fishing Guild Member NPCs has been re-activated. Changes have been made to mitigate exploitation by those using 3rd party programs but we'll continue to monitor the situation carefully and de-activate the NPCs again, if need be. We are still investigating accounts which have heavily exploited the system, and may hand out bans based on our results.
This logic is flawed, every company in the world would be sued if people did what they wanted with their products. If I bash your head in with my keyboard should Logitech be sued? If I strangle you with a Heritage cotton camisole will the lawyers bust down the doors over at Victoria's Secret? People need to be held accountable for their actions, as simple as that. Everyone that took advantage of this "EXPLOIT" knew very well they were exploiting a game mechanic. They should be banned.
out of context much???
Let's see if I can smash somebody's head in with a 70% party head recipe.
The game came live so it was working as intended by NCsoft, or they wouldn't have launched it.
Once again they underestimated the botproblem and it is the BOTPROBLEM that got this fishing destroyed or even the moneymaking for casual players.
Yet people that did not use any 3rd party program did NOTHING wrong as this was never seen as an exploit nor was it ever made public that it was illegal to buy/Sell that recipe or spam craft the hats.
But hey let's all ignore the BOTPROBLEM some more and let's just blame Balls... so much easier.
FU Balls! It's all your fault there are so many bots in L2, even better, It's all your fault they are not getting banned!!! It's all your fault droprates suck!!! It's Balls that is the blame for NCsoft making rediculous money on the botproblem and not banning them because "they have to investigate every single one of them because they signed a Mutual contract (being the EULA)".
Let's all make Balls a martyr! Crucify him!
Or let's train a monkey to ban bots.. because that's how easy it is to spot them..
I apologize if i'm exagerating and being so hard on NCWest.. but hey, after personally reporting 100+ bots and seeing most of them still running around, I don't care anymore tbh.
not to mention getting the same response over and over again from the gm's.
I know this isn't about the fishing topic but that topic is dead cheaters wanna cheat legit ppl wanna play a game with no cheaters blah blah no win..
But if you watch this video you really should ask yourself what are you farming adena or leveling for anyways to fight this automated group with a lot better gear then you.. Ncwest has failed hard at providing anything even close to a good pvp environment and if you play this game for pve you should change fast because the drops here will leave you unsatisfied forever and ever.
Go play guild wars 2 !! The pvp is balanced and you can pvp from day one change games to something else, quit feeding your money into this pathetic attempt at a game.
above all do not speak English, use google to translate
gms lords
I am 43 years old, this is my first intervention in the forum after 3 years of play
I see with concern, the changes they make.
It makes no sense, I and others nesecitamos 0.6 to a billion adena, fishing, and now is useless.
some questions for you, gentlemen gms
Definitely this server is only for donation or just robot?
That way they play they can get regular adena?
Now, who has been fishing?
How can I retrieve the investment in fishing?
They change the rules, without considering how it affects the real players?
Their decisions affect everyone, and not those who actually commit the faults?
I'm a donor, I'm considerandono not play more, the future of the game, apparently it's only for robot.
Pathetic... the entire point of bots is to exploit the game mechanics to benefit those running the bots. The fact I need to point this out to all of you is PATHETIC. The bot lords are constantly looking for exploits to make Adena fast to sell to the community. The fact legit players can also make lots of Adena does not nullify it is a EXPLOIT.
Stop crying about them turning off the faucet and go back to grinding. The more your protest the more time you waste.
Pathetic... the entire point of bots is to exploit the game mechanics to benefit those running the bots. The fact I need to point this out to all of you is PATHETIC. The bot lords are constantly looking for exploits to make Adena fast to sell to the community. The fact legit players can also make lots of Adena does not nullify it is a EXPLOIT.
Stop crying about them turning off the faucet and go back to grinding. The more your protest the more time you waste.
I doubt you even read what people say.. that's what's pathetic.
When you are running a bot program and using it 24/7 that's when it becomes an exploit.
Let's say there arn't any bots, or they would actually get banned. THen a player can CHOOSE to fish 10h a day and make money. Or he can CHOOSE to go out and grind 10h a day and make money.
Now the player can't.
Before today's change you could, if you were level 95, invest 500m in maxing your fishing skills and then make around 20m an hour by fishing and selling recs. This meant it would take you ~25 hours of constant fishing to earn back the intial investment and start seeing real profit.
After today's change, with recs priced at least 3x higher and also selling for 5x less (+15x total), you will only make at most 1.3m per hour (even less if you include the cost for fishing shots and bait). This also means that it will take you at least 333 hours to get back the initial 500m investment.
After the bots have started working again and the market has adjusted, fishing will once again be "for lvl1 bots only". The game has once again adjusted itself to bots and accepted them as a natural part of the game.
While you can still make more money from fishing than by grinding anywhere, I have my doubts about their decision's effectiveness (I'm not admin, it's their game, they should do whatever they wants, and I'm not criticizing, but just thinking about and sharing what I see, I'm here just to play, watch and learn).
The rate just did changed from 10~16KK/h to 1~3KK/h (and I'm fishing by hand with just my character).
About NPCing recipes...
You get around 80 fish jewels/h, let's just do the math...
Considering that bots can do this 24/7 and on multiple accs, on short the overall prices they just made from fishing something just profitable to bot runners, that (doing the math) will need run 10 bots to get the same profit from before.
On the other hand, legits and casuals were thrown away from their chance from equip themselves better/fast. The result? Back to the situation of "potential market" to adena sellers.
IF you get logs from any city Pre-Fishing, while we have Fishing with 200K recipes and from today, you'll notice something interesting...
I took caution on hide the seller's site, but you can get by the message's format that it's the same on all screens. I still have the originals, if you think it's manipulation.
Dang... Now botters happy again, and worst! Time to recover the losses from the fishing days. :mad:
But now, let's to especulate a bit...
Maybe, with all players getting adena more easy NC were hitting bots where REALLY HURTS!
(On their pockets!) Was (maybe again) the most effective action ever taken not against botting, but on retaliation to their owners.
Maybe by accident you did discover a way to put most botters away from the game attacking exactly the need for their existence: "Shorting his demmand".
Maybe if we have an humanly possible way from get our chars geared (c´mon, adenatraders' bots doesn't buy boss' jewels and OE stuff, their business is around to sell Adena to people that think these things valuable), Adena would not be an interesting commodity to real money trading. And the small quantity from custommers should maybe just buy huge ammounts to worth the risk*.
Maybe this should force botters to run/work a lot more since their stocks would not to supply the new demands and prices (and profit margins) constantly decreasing. You'll put them on pressure and as anyone that is cheating on anything, if pressured, becomes uncautious.
As I said... just watching and thinking a bit... :D
I see how bots were exploiting to the extreme,but any live person who was doing it as intended I don't consider that exploiting. A live person was using the game's mechanics to their advantage nothing more.
Bots however created numerous accounts and ran their programs non stop fishing to make adena. That was in my eyes abusing the game's mechanics by using third party programs to automate play,which IS against the rules and IS and HAS resulted in bannings.
Again this is bot/program issue as it always has been. Why do you think it's being investigated on "heavily exploited" accounts. To see if a bot program was used. A normal player wouldn't be "heavily exploiting". Let's apply some logic here kids.
The Fishing Guild Member NPCs has been re-activated. Changes have been made to mitigate exploitation by those using 3rd party programs but we'll continue to monitor the situation carefully and de-activate the NPCs again, if need be. We are still investigating accounts which have heavily exploited the system, and may hand out bans based on our results.
Thank you again for doing this. I saw everything like boss jewels doubling in price and stuff. Now they are dropping to "average" prices again.
I know you guys have a small team and this game has been out for over 10 years, so thanks again for fixing this so quickly and doing what you do.
I'm interested in whether the same thing ( 1 rec =1 jewel = 200k) could ( can) be done in Korea , if it is possible , then why call it exploit ,when the original game makers intented it to be like that ?
I'm interested in whether the same thing ( 1 rec =1 jewel = 200k) could ( can) be done in Korea , if it is possible , then why call it exploit ,when the original game makers intented it to be like that ?
it got changed in korea as well months ago so yeah no..
it got changed in korea as well months ago so yeah no..
Then I see nothing wrong with NCwest doing the same thing ,even if it does hurt the players ,it still IS possible to make adena out ot fishing ,even if it might be more than 10 times less. I'd assume the price for hero rod might even go UP ,because it is basically slightly better than the expert rod which costs over 200kk ,but ppl no longer fish so much as to catch goldeen so much ,leaving them with a lot of rods to spare.
Edit: Nvm, rods down to 9kk on Naia , so many ppl quit fishing lol :D
We have temporarily disabled all Fishing Guild Member NPCs until further notice. This is due to some exploitation of the fishing system mechanics.
You will be able to continue fishing if you have the necessary items and will continue to gain XP and SP from it. During this time you will NOT be able to purchase fishing items, exchange corroded fishing items or gain rewards.
We'll let you know once the issue has been resolved.
UPDATE
The Fishing Guild Member NPCs has been re-activated. Changes have been made to mitigate exploitation by those using 3rd party programs but we'll continue to monitor the situation carefully and de-activate the NPCs again, if need be. We are still investigating accounts which have heavily exploited the system, and may hand out bans based on our results.
~ Lineage II Team
Vali Question.
After valiance patch some days : Hero voices where shouting " Trade Fish jewel for party hat recipe take 200k adena "
And i am clan leader, I went tested proved right. And i putted that information on clan login notice as many other clans did.
Me; Myself and whole my clan went to fish ( without using 3rd software ) to fish . And i can Tell you after 4-5 days each of us took around 1-3 bil adena in that days .
So question is : " Are we heave exploiters also that will receive ban "
No one including myself considered that as exploit .
so
a ) People who did fishing using hands and earned some adena should not be banned
b ) People who had bot trains on fishing will only receive ban ?
c ) I had in clan mate a CP plus wife/husband pairs who did fish so by team play equip fast one with good adena income .
I spent 90m on Hero Pole and no more than 400m on fishing skills...
You're bad at this game.
you don't get it do ya ? :) you spent 500m for your toon he did that for his trains.
Now u get it ? probably 14 toons up and runing with hero fishing poles thats where he invested his money.
And now BOoooom no income out of that investment... so this dude cry a river about lost adenas )
The term "heavily exploited" implies it is an exploit across the board, if you do it once or a thousand times an hour you are still exploiting a game mechanic.
Can a GM tell me if u nerfed Goldeen? i fish at fantasy for 3-4 hours after the maintenance it doesn't seem to spawn that much and only get transformation from her. Before the fishing fixes i was getting an entrance pass to fantasy at least once every 2 hours now after 3-4 hours fishing i got 0 passes did u remove or nerf the passes too?
I guess someone has to make a letter/ticket to NCSOFT (Korea) that NCWEST is screwing up the game play here in Lineage 2 NA.
It's funny if you right click the fish jewels and fish scale..it states "YOU CAN ALSO SELL AT SHOPS" But with what NCWEST did they took out the worth of these items and made it 0 adena when sold. They have been screwing the game too much. And we know this is not the only thing they screwed up.
The Fishing Guild Member NPCs has been re-activated. Changes have been made to mitigate exploitation by those using 3rd party programs
~ Lineage II Team
I offer you an ultimate solution. De-activate game servers, this will seriously mitigate exploitation by those using 3rd party program. Hope this helps!
I guess someone has to make a letter/ticket to NCSOFT (Korea) that NCWEST is screwing up the game play here in Lineage 2 NA.
But someone has to make it clear if indeed NCWest is modifying the game content which is sent from Korea--I mean, the -85 raid bosses are giving no exp there as well? Is the drop rate destroyed there as well? and so forth. I wish the Korean version of the game would be accessible to non-Koreans as well.
In fact I now wish to know if, when they make changes, they consult with Korean devs first.
This means that instead of the usual half year we are now only 2 months behind Korea. We probably have to thank the bots for the shortening of the time gap, but sooner or later we would have gotten that patch anyway, if not next month, then in the end of April. The reduction in NPC buy prices and increase in the number of Fish Gems required for a recipe is not only directed at bots but primarily at real players: http://boards.rochand.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=1155&start=30#p24859
The expansions usually go by something like this model:
A (A.5) B (B.5) C | A (A.5) B (B.5) C | A (A.5) B (B.5) C
A is always the time frame right after a huge new expansion. Much new stuff, but also many things broken, and many new bugs.
B is the time after they fixed most of the bugs and the expansion that was introduced during A actually works.
C is the time when they feel so confident that they can start making small patches again, introduce some skills, tweak some others, change a bit of a balance, change mob spawns, etc.
Now we usually get something like A.5 meaning we usually don't get the absolute A release from Korea but more of a half way patched up one on the way to B. Why not give us something like B or B.5 instead? If NCWest has no ressources to really test things, and no way to get proper hotfixes for bugs that are specific to our patch level it would be easier to simply give us the later state of the patch evolution instead of the earlier one.
This would maybe mean that we lag behind Korea more than 5 months, but I'm not sure it would make that much of a difference. Most people want to play a working game, not one that is beta most of the time.
Each time we get an update Juji posts a "Known Issues" list. The question is, since it is known that there are issues, why do they go live and don't wait until the issues are fixed. In the case at hand the problem with the excessive profitability of the Fishing System was known and fixed since October; nevertheless NCWest went live with the old, misguided version. This defies rational explanation.
The most probable reason why we get those A.5 releases are the children with short attention span who post in big red letters "We Want Valium Now!", NCsoft being afraid that those kids might go away to play another game if they don't get their dope :D
Each time we get an update Juji posts a "Known Issues" list. The question is, since it is known that there are issues, why do they go live and don't wait until the issues are fixed. In the case at hand the problem with the excessive profitability of the Fishing System was known and fixed since October; nevertheless NCWest went live with the old, misguided version. This defies rational explanation.
The most probable reason why we get those A.5 releases are the children with short attention span who post in big red letters "We Want Valium Now!", NCsoft being afraid that those kids might go away to play another game if they don't get their dope :D
not necessarily.
based on what we know about NCWest it is plausible that they get a patch from NCEast and being work translating; then about halfway through the job they get another patch, and seeing they can't just delay the first patch until the second patch is done, they release the first patch.
and in the time it took between when they got the second patch and the release for the first, we as a community have understood the workings of the second patch and have expected it; only to be let down.
thats a rational explanation of the events occurring during the patching process.
The most probable reason why we get those A.5 releases are the children with short attention span who post in big red letters "We Want Valium Now!", NCsoft being afraid that those kids might go away to play another game if they don't get their dope :D
Yea those twits just can't wait. I was totally fine with waiting. I figured when they launched well yay,but no big thing.