yea ?!... when the will fix get damage in tank when ud is on, when get damage to all class when undying will is on, when fix all bags in this game the will fix imbalance from daggers... why you not qq the healer play with heavy armor and is lake a Tank ?! no point the i'm semi dagger but really this game will never be 100% balance... and lake someone before talked... not long ago ppl not invite dagger in pt for instance because the was lol, now 1/5 players re-roll dual to dagger of wtt ID for dagger in same or low lvl...
yea ?!... when the will fix get damage in tank when ud is on, when get damage to all class when undying will is on, when fix all bags in this game the will fix imbalance from daggers... why you not qq the healer play with heavy armor and is lake a Tank ?! no point the i'm semi dagger but really this game will never be 100% balance... and lake someone before talked... not long ago ppl not invite dagger in pt for instance because the was lol, now 1/5 players re-roll dual to dagger of wtt ID for dagger in same or low lvl...
Im sorry but your answer is invalid; please buy Rosetta Stone, learn Engrish and re-submit an answer that isn't broken.
i agree daggers are strong now but nothing wrong with them, why?
because why should a mage or archer be able to do 30k damage or w/e and a dagger not?
dagger has always belong to high DD classes they been gone in GoD for a while but they are back if u nerf daggers all fine for me (im not even a dagger my self)
but then u need to nerf, healing power, mages, archers and go on.
the game is fine the way its only thing i dont like is how heavy the reflect is nowadays do 1 good aoe and u just drop dead from reflected damage nothing u can do about it.
but then u need to nerf, healing power, mages, archers and go on.
the game is fine the way its only thing i dont like is how heavy the reflect is nowadays do 1 good aoe and u just drop dead from reflected damage nothing u can do about it.
then dont aoe but use single targets ;)
and yes there's items ingame you can get to lower the amount of damage reflected so it just means you're not as pro as you think you are :P
aslong u dont play dd draecke u dont know what reflect is :D having items or not
Reflect problem was revised atleast 2 times. At GoD start you can die aoe just 7-ppl pty. Now only if you "smart" enought to hit tank under his full reflect or aoe zerg at siege bridge for example.
About daggers, as I said early, half of pvpers will be daggers soon :) You can see now at low lvl loc's innumerable daggers bot pty.
And btw, before Valiance good daggers hits not worse then archers, just few people can play them properly.
Now random dagger can kill almost any class by 1 BS (not from top bottersplayers who got 16 AP already)
Im sorry but your answer is invalid; please buy Rosetta Stone, learn Engrish and re-submit an answer that isn't broken.
-Thank you.
be good and leave Magmeld before you enter in any clan/cp, with this "i'm pro" attitude better to not see you out of town... and yes, you will never get pt w/o even 1 dagger. If you pvp be rdy to heal yourself to dead in 3 sec... your re-rolled 96 bot char who you buy/trade you 1th need to know to play, no to "cry my a river" for dead in 3 hits... ppl lake you who jump from char to char , form server to server will never know to play any class and all time will cry ...
when you have 100k+ hp and 10k pdef it's ok for you. but lol
90aw for 99sagi with 7.5k pdef hit just 12-14k.. overall was 3 stabs and dager win.. yes they are fine. i won't imagine what 99lvl dagger with all ability skills learnt and with good gear can do..
when you have 100k+ hp and 10k pdef it's ok for you. but lol
90aw for 99sagi with 7.5k pdef hit just 12-14k.. overall was 3 stabs and dager win.. yes they are fine. i won't imagine what 99lvl dagger with all ability skills learnt and with good gear can do..
This has nothing todo with my char, (210k hp+cp and 15k pdef btw).
This has to do with archers and nukers 1 and 2 shotting people from 1100 range for the last several chronicles of GoD and people just "deal with it". But when a melee class gets that kind of power to perform that kind of damage at 40 range somehow this is OP ?
This has nothing todo with my char, (210k hp+cp and 15k pdef btw).
This has to do with archers and nukers 1 and 2 shotting people from 1100 range for the last several chronicles of GoD and people just "deal with it". But when a melee class gets that kind of power to perform that kind of damage at 40 range somehow this is OP ?
piss off..
Well said Diego. I would give props, but Psychotic has that cause he troutslaps and you don't. :<
The only imbalance is how a dagger can waltz alone among whole parties and drop people dead while nobody can effectively target him.
Too many means of survival.
The only imbalance is how a dagger can waltz alone among whole parties and drop people dead while nobody can effectively target him.
Too many means of survival.
Compared to an archer who can become untargetable at will and has 95% skill evasion/debuff resist ?
Do you not think that a dagger is given these skills because he actually has to "waltz" over where ranged classes can just transport their damage at 1100+ range?
Do people even think about what they are crying about before they actually type?
DAGGER == MELEE CLASS == NEEDS TO GET CLOSE TO HIT == CAN BE HATED ONCE WITHIN MELEE DISTANCE == NOT TERRIBLY EFFECTIVE ONCE AoD IS ON COOLDOWN
RANGED CLASS == PEW PEW PEW OUTSIDE OF HATE RADIUS == CAN INSTANTANEOUSLY APPLY DAMAGE ON ANYTHING WITHIN 1100 RANGE
If you were trying to be objective you might have a point.
However clearly you are not given the overwhelming evidence to the contrary on the subject matter.
I mean you have to be trolling because nobody would be that stupid as to try and attack a daggers limited avoidance skills given that they are a melee class and have to actually get to their targets before being picked off / hate locked.
Sry, but daggers should not be a problem to any pvp party..
Unless ofc you dont have a tank and 2 healers, but not sure if ppl pvp without that anymore.
Do they?
Is it true, Smittie, that you havent been in PvP last 5 years?
Maybe you should try it. At least sometimes. And then come back you share you wisdom.
The only thing that keeps healers alive are PvP sets and AP. But people from normal clans with stardard income cannot afford to made PvP set. Yes I know it is our problem that still some of us did not accept that if you want to compete, you have to use nonstandard ways of earning adena.
I can live with that. What is hilarious is that people with nonstandard ways of earning adena are making clows from other people. But that is the life.
I tried justifying post-Valiance daggers too but they are just OP. I thought "hey they are only useful in certain pvp scenarios because they are melee" or "they can only survive when they have some UE" but they are simply the best DDs of this chronicle.
Top archers of my server can't hit me above 10k (with bullseye), while random 99 daggers can hit me for 30k without any debuff. Archer/mage groups need full assist+debuffs to land to kill anyone in pvp while daggers can just run solo with AoD/UE+pots and kill an entire party.
Nothing beats a stacked 3 dagger group this chronicle except a better 3 dagger group.
all dagger skills, and pretty much almost every 1shot DD has faster casting than noble sacrifice, due to the delay of protective buffs, there's even a bigger gap in which ppl die under sacrifice.
Half-kills bypass nobless sacrifice
daggers are close to immune to agression, and all type of CC under AoD. PvP lasts fast, so dagger doesn't suffer from this, unless mass PVP.
Another silly fact, shadow chase partly works on celestial. it just doesnt stun you but does the rest.
But it all boils down to NC's silly idea of putting low re-use blinks/rushes on more than half of classes. The high dmg of dagger would be justifiable if they could be CC'ed and MOVE faster than any of the class in the game, but nukers move faster than them and hit quite hard with AOE on top of it. And archer is hax cause they can avoid the 50% defense cap reduce on players cause there isn't a cap for Weapon-type resist, while tyrr was screwed with that for example...
It's just silly giving a free "god-mode" buff with 1 shots, just cause you cant balance a class.
sad truth is that to balance daggers, all other DDs have to be tweaked a lot aswell.
This has to do with archers and nukers 1 and 2 shotting people from 1100 range for the last several chronicles of GoD and people just "deal with it". But when a melee class gets that kind of power to perform that kind of damage at 40 range somehow this is OP ?
be good and leave Magmeld before you enter in any clan/cp, with this "i'm pro" attitude better to not see you out of town... and yes, you will never get pt w/o even 1 dagger. If you pvp be rdy to heal yourself to dead in 3 sec... your re-rolled 96 bot char who you buy/trade you 1th need to know to play, no to "cry my a river" for dead in 3 hits... ppl lake you who jump from char to char , form server to server will never know to play any class and all time will cry ...
Crazy Calimero "It's an injustice!" syndrome...
Clearly you didn't take my advice on buying Rosetta Stone and learning English before looking like an idiot on forums.
Played healer since C1-Beta to present, I like to think I know how to play my char but I guess it never matters with ******s like you, because when you get rocked by a 96 healer you're just going to come onto forums and cry about pvp scripts like 99% of the trash players on this game do.
If you need a tissue for your issue please forward your request to all the f**ks I give.<3
P.S- You're trash dagger, G0ldmember can out damage you and he's not even 95 yet. Go study pvp videos on youtube.
Clearly you didn't take my advice on buying Rosetta Stone and learning English before looking like an idiot on forums.
Played healer since C1-Beta to present, I like to think I know how to play my char but I guess it never matters with ******s like you, because when you get rocked by a 96 healer you're just going to come onto forums and cry about pvp scripts like 99% of the trash players on this game do.
If you need a tissue for your issue please forward your request to all the f**ks I give.<3
P.S- You're trash dagger, G0ldmember can out damage you and he's not even 95 yet. Go study pvp videos on youtube.
who care for out damage, i still have 70%+ wins in oly last 7 mounts, every time in 120+ mach done and finishing 2 or 3 after PeoHu, i play for funn !!!
PS: idk who is G0ldmember and believe no1 even know him but i'm sure 80%+ of all 97+ players in server know who is Staroto so bb LF CLAN person...
I tried justifying post-Valiance daggers too but they are just OP. I thought "hey they are only useful in certain pvp scenarios because they are melee" or "they can only survive when they have some UE" but they are simply the best DDs of this chronicle.
Top archers of my server can't hit me above 10k (with bullseye), while random 99 daggers can hit me for 30k without any debuff. Archer/mage groups need full assist+debuffs to land to kill anyone in pvp while daggers can just run solo with AoD/UE+pots and kill an entire party.
Nothing beats a stacked 3 dagger group this chronicle except a better 3 dagger group.
lol.
typical small scale low skill arguments. Nobody cares about terrible people being ganked by daggers. Ive played in C2, nothing today compares to that chronicle + daggers and somehow we all managed. In todays Pvp when you roll up on a siege force on the dim server melee classes are 'manageable' when the aoe hates start flying around.
I can understand if you have no idea what i am talking about. I mean not everybody gets to participate in the real pvp this game offers.
yea I guess daggers cant close range quickly or hide to get close to a ranged attacker??? LOL diego focus on ur scripts cuz when it comes to real pvp and real situations u really don't have a clue as ur scripts do everything for ya. mind blowing a l2 guru who been playing since c2 didn't know daggers have hide and the ability to close range quickly or completely undetected.. ooOOo wait when a dagger is in hide near you, ur ranger tells u and u follow them around in hide so I suppose daggers cant sneak up on you and the other robots out there...
yea I guess daggers cant close range quickly or hide to get close to a ranged attacker??? LOL diego focus on ur scripts cuz when it comes to real pvp and real situations u really don't have a clue as ur scripts do everything for ya. mind blowing a l2 guru who been playing since c2 didn't know daggers have hide and the ability to close range quickly or completely undetected.. ooOOo wait when a dagger is in hide near you, ur ranger tells u and u follow them around in hide so I suppose daggers cant sneak up on you and the other robots out there...
This has nothing todo with my char, (210k hp+cp and 15k pdef btw).
This has to do with archers and nukers 1 and 2 shotting people from 1100 range for the last several chronicles of GoD and people just "deal with it". But when a melee class gets that kind of power to perform that kind of damage at 40 range somehow this is OP ?
piss off..
pretty sure i have never 1-2 shoted anyone, because i always had what the majority had, +3/+4 gear. far from what 2% of this server had, red weapons, expensive jewels and oe armors. now if players are saying, they are killing someone 10 lvls higher with dagger class equipped with same +3/4 gear, how is that not broken? the range is also not a problem in this game, since god. mages never had 1100 to begin with, it was added with lindvior or something, not like it matters to tyrr/dagger. at least tyrrs got a high hp pool and good defenses but they still take huge damage spikes from daggers.
who care for out damage, i still have 70%+ wins in oly last 7 mounts, every time in 120+ mach done and finishing 2 or 3 after PeoHu, i play for funn !!!
PS: idk who is G0ldmember and believe no1 even know him but i'm sure 80%+ of all 97+ players in server know who is Staroto so bb LF CLAN person...
#1 - http://translate.google.com/
#2 - Im sure all the players know Staroto as "Broken English Man"
#3 - Now you're pulling stuff out of your *** where did you get the idea im looking for a clan? ....actually looking for a bot party* <3
#4 - Bring more Qs baby <3 ;)
typical small scale low skill arguments. Nobody cares about terrible people being ganked by daggers. Ive played in C2, nothing today compares to that chronicle + daggers and somehow we all managed. In todays Pvp when you roll up on a siege force on the dim server melee classes are 'manageable' when the aoe hates start flying around.
I can understand if you have no idea what i am talking about. I mean not everybody gets to participate in the real pvp this game offers.
How is hate gonna affect anything in a 3 EE party (perma purge)?
And "X was super OP in chronicle Y, therefore you shouldn't complain now" is an invalid argument.
Btw my clan holds Rune in Shilen and Innadril in Dim server, if you consider that "real pvp".
How is hate gonna affect anything in a 3 EE party (perma purge)?
And "X was super OP in chronicle Y, therefore you shouldn't complain now" is an invalid argument.
Btw my clan holds Rune in Shilen and Innadril in Dim server, if you consider that "real pvp".
Holding Innadril in the Dimensional Server isn't really an achievement. Chronos neutral clans have Goddard and Schuggart. Even an alt clan has Giran. Unfortunately, the other servers of Magmeld, Shilien, and Bartz are lightyears behind Chronos and Naia.
on topic: I don't even notice daggers in mass pvp. I have never taken "big damage" from a dagger in any sort of mass pvp.
I agree, the dagger became stronger and more complicated to be defeated, Ultimate Evasion for example, is like a heavenly one, nothing picks, does not work, they do not take debuff, do not take damage, and are thus one minute giving high damage, not to mention that today a dagger reaches nearly 5 K of P. Defense, that an average dagger, without strong equipment such as dagger from my clan that has this defense, using one set Seraph +3.
In my humble opinion, the increase in defense for all classes, left the game unbalanced, especially if we observe that the damage decreased for those not already caused too much damage, but for those who always gave low damage, as Sigel Knight and the Iss. Ie, all classes were stronger in PvP 1 vs 1, leaving the weakened Sigel and Iss. NCsoft has to review the time of Hide, I think is absurd 1 minute long and fast loading of skill, and Ultimate Evasion is a skill that increases your physical and magical evasion, but it should not last just one minute, and if it is to last 1 minute, some debuff or damage, should get at least a few times.
For fighting a dagger, I activated UD and I was almost 14 k P. Defense still took 15k damage from a dagger, and UD without even having a high defense, high damage dagger is giving too much, as if he ignored physical defense.
Since C1 Daggers in PVP are the worse nightmare of any other class...
Live with it... or leave... there is no other way...
The development logic of characters after 10 years of coding, patching, skills to add, skills to remove, classes added, makes this game at least from a human perspective impossible to balance...
make your own choice and have fun... after all ... you will re-spawn when you die and will keep going
Remember that PVP points gives nothing but a number...
I agree, the dagger became stronger and more complicated to be defeated, Ultimate Evasion for example, is like a heavenly one, nothing picks, does not work, they do not take debuff, do not take damage, and are thus one minute giving high damage, not to mention that today a dagger reaches nearly 5 K of P. Defense, that an average dagger, without strong equipment such as dagger from my clan that has this defense, using one set Seraph +3.
Ultimate Evasion of dagger is not 100% safe, and is just 30 sec (w/o enchant time)
Also Ultimate Evasion of Yul is better then dagger with Evasion+Angel+CounterStrike+Dash+Talisma Evasion+Anyway... take a dagger 99 full equipes, and try hit a Yul with UE, u will die, don't care if u use ur full self buffs
in all updates have op classes, ow othell, before yull, before yul tyrrs, etc will not talk about lower chronicles where was destros, saggis and daggerists :D