the poll is a bit wrong structured. its dumb just be able to vote for 1 class, since it wont work alone (lets say, bring 4 feohs archmages and lets roll, it doesnt work like that).
Since ever, feohs are kings for aoe, hands down. Since Valiance, feoh archmage is a must for mage-setup aoe. then it goes like this: tank, healer (preferably shilen saint aeore, not need to say), iss (preferably hierophant), feoh archmage (as mainly the solo destruction buster), feoh spellhowler, tyrr (whatever, but dread would be good to help as puller) + yul or wynn (just for the specific synergy aura, something regarding mana regeneration or reduction, dunno) or even another feoh spellhowler if mana usage is ok.
ofc, for single target, the setup tends to exclude feohs - they suck at single target pve when double casting is on cd.
the poll is a bit wrong structured. its dumb just be able to vote for 1 class, since it wont work alone (lets say, bring 4 feohs archmages and lets roll, it doesnt work like that).
Since ever, feohs are kings for aoe, hands down. Since Valiance, feoh archmage is a must for mage-setup aoe. then it goes like this: tank, healer (preferably shilen saint aeore, not need to say), iss (preferably hierophant), feoh archmage (as mainly the solo destruction buster), feoh spellhowler, tyrr (whatever, but dread would be good to help as puller) + yul or wynn (just for the specific synergy aura, something regarding mana regeneration or reduction, dunno) or even another feoh spellhowler if mana usage is ok.
ofc, for single target, the setup tends to exclude feohs - they suck at single target pve when double casting is on cd.
Totally agreed. Party Solidarity Setup along with stacking all different types of debuffs is extremely important when it comes to maximizing damage in a group or party.
However for soloing, I'd say Dreadnought is by far one of the best PvE AoE farmers our there at lower levels.
dread hands down got one in pt the stuns are beyond imba the guy just pulls full train and train is perma stunned tank has to do nothing :)
people who say mages are kings of AoE are clueless.
tyrr are king of aoe doesnt matter which one but if u wanna solo dread hands down.
if u go in group to xp fast, any tyrr > mage.
only reason u will want a mage is for shadow snare for rest they are useless cus tyrr will simply **** 100x harder.
decked out tyrr > 1500 attack speed > 21? targets a swing > ~100k / 150k damage in orbis
decked out mage dont care about his stats has 2? or 3? aoe's doing ~80k? damage a aoe?
u tell me again that mages are kings of aoe :D tyrr warriors with a pole and a mage who can snare properly are pure win!
dread hands down got one in pt the stuns are beyond imba the guy just pulls full train and train is perma stunned tank has to do nothing :)
people who say mages are kings of AoE are clueless.
tyrr are king of aoe doesnt matter which one but if u wanna solo dread hands down.
if u go in group to xp fast, any tyrr > mage.
only reason u will want a mage is for shadow snare for rest they are useless cus tyrr will simply **** 100x harder.
decked out tyrr > 1500 attack speed > 21? targets a swing > ~100k / 150k damage in orbis
decked out mage dont care about his stats has 2? or 3? aoe's doing ~80k? damage a aoe?
u tell me again that mages are kings of aoe :D tyrr warriors with a pole and a mage who can snare properly are pure win!
Im Tyrr DN and I can tell that since Valiance, you can make really big trains almost anywhere, you dont need healer, just buffs. Lure bunch of mobs, stun them for 9s (with 2 skills, one got reuse like 3s), use provoke, power provoke and kill them in no time :D
I make bunches of mentee mark slaves 1-85/retire.....and in the days of low xp rbs, my polers (DN) have been some of the quickest from 40-85 I've done. Kinda fun too. After 85, not as effective in my opinion solo, but they make a great addition to aoe parties.
Ok cool, now try killing the mobs.
well believe what u want, but i made 98 > 99 quicker then most of u scrubs who used runes etc simply cus every1 is to dumb to understand that.
mage 2 nukes ~1 sec doing nothing cus of cool down on AoE skills
Tyrr 1 pole 0 sec cool down perma swinging doing much harder crits cus 99% of AoE places mobs do AoE also triggering your CC
ur choice people will obviously stick with mages cus 90% of mages cant snare mobs properly in a corner but if a mage can kick the rest of mages get Tyrrs and xp will be madness :)
I am dread forever & always but 98+ spots are effective only in parties....
can u solo LoC? Can u solo HF ? Can u solo deeper Pagan ???? (i manage to aoe pre Darkness room with priests but my weapon +4 Maliss stormer is too low p atak for those transformed mobs with high pdef... easy to die even with 12,5k pdef 7k mdef (i mean pure solo - no any heals)
Every possible good spot is protected from AOE solo with ***** armor debuffs/lethals/chaos shields - dont call some class AOE beast if u need healer tank etc. :) for being effective
Mages are the undisputed AOE kings, especially archmages, but tyrs have better survivability when the SHTF.
Mages have 2 DD aoes, 1 no target AOE with 4 secs reuse, 1 aoe debuff with 10 sec reuse, snare and if archmage add aoe buster too. The downside is those sup a lot of MP very quickly and you need a decent reuse jewel like istina's necklace to maximise damage output. But while mages have MP they should out-aoe all other classes including pole waving dreadnaught tyrs.
The problem with snare is sometimes as you cast it a mob or another player walks across your cursor and this causes the snare to be a little misplaced. This usually drops the snare a little closer to the mage than he was aiming for.
Probably the highest mobs in guillotine fortress. Tyrs rock there because of the mobs Chaos Shield buff, and those mobs drop MP herbs too. Mages struggle to solo there but tyrs can.
Im Tyrr DN and I can tell that since Valiance, you can make really big trains almost anywhere, you dont need healer, just buffs. Lure bunch of mobs, stun them for 9s (with 2 skills, one got reuse like 3s), use provoke, power provoke and kill them in no time :D
2 nine second stuns along with 1 two second stun. Then there's the knockback, disarm, and targeted AoE.
Provoke and Power Provoke. They are made to train.
Probably the highest mobs in guillotine fortress. Tyrs rock there because of the mobs Chaos Shield buff, and those mobs drop MP herbs too. Mages struggle to solo there but tyrs can.
u know that Chaos shield debuff removing is affected but hows many ppl u got in party ? In 7 ppl party first armor destruction removes it but if u try it solo often it is even 20 times :) and 8m exp mob is not worth hit it so long...
Why i dont see anyone at EG aoe solo :) only tonz of summoner bots killing 1 by 1 ... ????
Heirtorune: making train is one thing.... but killing it FAST staying alive is second.... i did for fun solo aoe at SOA at 9x :) was funny but risky he he
Old dread can do big trains at Fog / GC / and pyramids and it was effective ! Now at 97+ i cant find comparable way to exp :/ Party is always faster - and as casual i cant do 4h LoC party :/ so i am rolled :(
I've seen tyrs and summoners soloing in GF on Naia but you're right they don't tend to AOE there. Tyrs can AOE small groups but it's probably very easy to overpull.
Mages can AOE in the cemetary all the way to 99 but personally I find AOE there to be really annoying because every mob is passive. I so much prefer aggro mobs for AOE or at least social mobs, but it can still be done easily enough. Drop a few snares, pee off a few mobs you soon have a bit of a train. Pagans is also OK as a mage. Mixture of aggro and passive mobs there but stay away from those mobs that spawn when the boss comes up, those are really nasty.
I think the last decent solo AOE area for melees is probably Seal of Shillen but by 97 this is pretty lame. Easy to form trains, quick to kill the mobs. I imagine they would do alright at Pagans too but I have never seen them try. That place is half full of bots and half empty on Naia.
The later field areas, raiders crossroads and LOC are definitely not for solo play. I haven't been to hellbound all that much yet but from what I have seen I don't think that area would be suitable either.
I'd like to see more areas aimed at solo play and miniparty play for 97+ but it seems the devs are trying to make us play co-operatively all the time. Shame they don't realise that sometimes we cant find certain classes to make going to places like Gainak viable. I also see far too many people still stuck in what I call Goddess mode; instances and dailies only.
Aoe= area of effect (skill), so basically it just mage skill.
Tyrrs use pole. And if you used your brain dwarf, you would know that best poler toon killer is Titan, was, and always has been.
Get pole, lure 99k mobs, go to corner, and profit.
You're a noob and everyone that talks about Tyrrs using aoe. It's just pathetic how the level of intelligence has stooped so low.
Though there are mobs that are freaking stupid, and you need to use a mage group so aoe skills have any damage, since mobs won't go to a corner and since Tyrrs aoe skill damage,
is so freaking low, it's just a mob grabber to get aggro if you're not 97.
Get 4 titans, 1 tank, iss, healer and go pole all HF and profit. Yes all HF. The hard mobs,.
Use brains and profit dwarf.
PS: I'm poling HF with my WR with S80 pole, and I do 80k crit from behind every sec. Gotta love how the new focus death stacks with pole. And I love how I get aggro from,
mobs. Gotta be hard for a healer.
Nobody was talking about AOE skills. AOE means Area of Effect. What the hell do you think a pole has? It has an area of effect shaped like an arc and hits multiple mobs as you swipe it back and forth through that arc. Not like you wave a pole into a train of mobs and it hits only one of them. Geez and you insulted our intelligence.
(...)Now at 97+ i cant find comparable way to exp :/ Party is always faster - and as casual i cant do 4h LoC party :/ so i am rolled :(
Pagans is far from perfect, but atm afaik the only spot for a Tyr/Dread 98+ to solo. With rune and vit its 2%/h. The quest is somewhat ok and gives a bear every 27 days ^^. Drops are alomst not existant, i was there for 1 level from 98 to 99 and got a few cokes and 2 or 3 armor parts and 1 ear. But the biggest advantage is .. there aint many ppl, so there is always a free room or two.
Realy wonder why NC designd that dungeon behind the 2. door with soo many rooms .. mobs are impossible to train, so that part of the dungeon make no sense at all.
Nobody was talking about AOE skills. AOE means Area of Effect. What the hell do you think a pole has? It has an area of effect shaped like an arc and hits multiple mobs as you swipe it back and forth through that arc. Not like you wave a pole into a train of mobs and it hits only one of them. Geez and you insulted our intelligence.
You must be new to L2.
Lf polers means lf ppl with pole passive skills.
Lf aoers means, lf ppl with aoe active skills.
So aoe = skill based, poling = normal hits.
Get your facts straight.
wc to l2.
And I know I'm right, I was a FOG runner for months. And people always asked with "lf a poler" or "lf a aoerer" since MM's were a beast in FoG. So qqmore.