Because you can go to different areas. You have that choice. Many of them add to the overall story and immersion into the world and give you a sense of scope.
Sadly, most people say "Screw that" and just rush for end-game.
Because you can go to different areas. You have that choice. Many of them add to the overall story and immersion into the world and give you a sense of scope.
Sadly, most people say "Screw that" and just rush for end-game.
I can go.But,ie :
Why would i go to hunting zones like blazing swamp,fields of massacre
and same or even higher level places when there is forsaken plains which
gives enormous exp and makes others useless?
Why would i go to another same or even higher level hunting zone
when i can get at least 5x more exp at Wall of Argos also when it
has weaker mobs ?
I can give more examples.This game lets people choose in which place
they would like to play.But,those places can not be considered as alternatives
because there is a huge difference and those who choose other places are
going to be considered as fools because they lose their time for nothing.
It's the reason why every player have to race with each other to ks
and it's the reason why bots are grouping at the same spots,making
it impossible for legits to play.
There is no freedom or variety.Everyone just has to follow the same path,
grind at the same spots to get to the expected level if they don't want
to lose time for nothing.
Goddard outside,frozen labyrinth,blazing swamp,fields of massacre etc.....
are just useless zones except a daily which is picked as random.
These places and mobs are useless,furnitures and nothing more.
Since raidbosses of 1-85 are removed,you have to follow the same path,
grind in same zones like everyone else and this surely makes the big
300 adena is not '' a lot of adena ''.If you think so i can give you some adena,so you can determine which amount means '' a lot ''
If you're feeling generous, I'll take that fistful of adena, looking at the prices of armor in peoples' private shops is frightening... hundreds of millions...billions...even in the "hot zones" nobody is getting that kind of coin...at least I'm not at 45...
there is lush story, unique enemies, great landscapes...
i too have noted the fact that certain areas have better xp than others.
this used to be because drops were better elsewhere.
however recently they nerfed drop rates, and adena value.
therefore when you kill a mob which used to drop 5k it now drops 300.
they would love to update the entire game.
but they need to keep some space open for when the level max is 200...
So wtf is the purpose of modify armor D?
LoL? You can solo kill all lowlvl RB
If you get quest with -100% exp - you can nonstop farm RBs
About map...
People like detailed games.
First L2 didn't have lot rival and they have a lot of peopls in dev team.
They created big world with different locations, quests and mobs.
But now you they have a lot of rival games. So what to do? Make one easy way for lvling up and work for it.
So we got 1 start location, way(1-85), shop with main crafting items(non-S).
When I'm leveling my subs I visit plenty of places looking for rbs and maybe some places will give better drops and stuff, but I agree it's pretty sad that many areas are useless.
I didn't understand what you mean by 2 mil ... exp or adena ?
Nvm,it doesn't make any difference.People who have lots of awakened
toons do know this :
If your goal is to make your toon awakened without losing time,
you have to follow the same path ; Cruma tower - Forsaken Plains -
Wall of Argos - Ketra/Varka - Then powerlevel in Altar of Evil.
Only 5 places worth visiting till you reach 85,other places have less exp,
stronger mobs and some have quests with funny rewards which will
cause you a big loss of time.
actualy you are wrong, everyone who have awakened toons now knows, that plvl in swamplands are worthless thing now, better go to do some kekropus quests at sel mahum, den of evil, lizardmen plains and so on
actualy you are wrong, everyone who have awakened toons now knows, that plvl in swamplands are worthless thing now, better go to do some kekropus quests at sel mahum, den of evil, lizardmen plains and so on
When i can get to 85 from 78 in 4 - 7 hours,why would i collect 1900x
quest items after 81 to gain 2 levels and wait for next day ?
It's good separating places into 4.But,it's still useless because there is
a way better alternative.
and again these 4 places,let's say 2 because a character can go 2 of them,
are not all places designed for level 80 - 85,making all others useless while
themselves are also useless compared to a better alternative.
I ignored you at first.But,you seem a little persistent.
Why would you even quote without reading what i wrote,just to see the
exact answer for your comment in my way too previous post ?
and 300 adena is not '' a lot of adena ''.If you think so i can give you
some adena,so you can determine which amount means '' a lot ''.
I'm not going to say the ...
The daily quest at Swamp gives 500k adena... so you can focus on the small amount of adena dropped from mobs, or you can open your eyes and see there are great rewards questing in different areas.
When i can get to 85 from 78 in 4 - 7 hours,why would i collect 1900x
quest items after 81 to gain 2 levels and wait for next day ?
It's good separating places into 4.But,it's still useless because there is
a way better alternative.
and again these 4 places,let's say 2 because a character can go 2 of them,
are not all places designed for level 80 - 85,making all others useless while
themselves are also useless compared to a better alternative.
who said that u can only do 2 quests of those? and did u tried to plvl toon in swampland lately?
Because you can go to different areas. You have that choice. Many of them add to the overall story and immersion into the world and give you a sense of scope.
Sadly, most people say "Screw that" and just rush for end-game.
This is only true until October 24, 2012. Before that day, NCKorea was pay-to-play all the way, either 30 dollars per month, or 1 dollar for each hour spent in a non-peace zone, with the time being calculated/ticking down by the minute. Since monthly subscriptions never really caught on and most Koreans played with the time point system, NCsoft primarily made their money with each minute a player spent in a non-peace zone, no matter whether they were killing monsters or other players or just exploring, enjoying the sights. So the developers tried to create an environment that was as rich as possible - you could go the desert of the Wasteland, learning about Beleth, to the forests of Rune, learning about the tragedy that befell the von Hellmanns, or the Frozen Labyrinth, learning about Princess Melissa and the Canna Knights.
All this changed in 2012, when NCKorea (later also NCJapan and NCTaiwan) introduced a hybrid system where you play totally free up to lvl 85, and only then the payment starts: http://lineage2.power.plaync.com/wiki/%EC%9E%90%EC%9C%A0+%EB%AA%A8%ED%97%98+%EC%84%9C%EB %B9%84%EC%8A%A4
Now the developers are trying to shunt players to lvl 85 as quickly as possible. The daily quests from the Adventurers' Guide introduced with GoD were originally just a means to bring players together in one place so that the servers didn't look so empty (the Korean player population was noticeably shrinking in 2009/2010; whether this was due to Aion or due to game-internal reasons is debatable (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=833847)). With the Kekropus quests brought by Lindvior (live in Korea on October 31, 2012) the fast-track leveling went into overdrive, and also lots of other low-level content was systematically devalued (just think of the new Crafting System where you need a lvl 85+ Maestro to craft C-Grade materials).
The rush for end-game is a deliberate strategy for the Asian market, and we at NCWest are collateral damage :D
I didn't understand what you mean by 2 mil ... exp or adena ?
Nvm,it doesn't make any difference.People who have lots of awakened
toons do know this :
If your goal is to make your toon awakened without losing time,
you have to follow the same path ; Cruma tower - Forsaken Plains -
Wall of Argos - Ketra/Varka - Then powerlevel in Altar of Evil.
Only 5 places worth visiting till you reach 85,other places have less exp,
stronger mobs and some have quests with funny rewards which will
cause you a big loss of time.
Not going to argue about cruma, its fast. But if you say forsaken plains is faster than ToI (for melees) or that Wall of Argos is faster than training in Forge of Gods, i'd argue that you have no idea. WoA is brimming with (non)people as well, EVERYWHERE else is faster.
"Once upon a time, when this game was created, some brilliant designers decided to put each from different materials needed to craft items on different mobs around Aden.
So, if you wanted some item you should go to some information site, look for the exact mob that drop something, find on which region it spawns, and kill them until get what you need.
To help locate these mobs, the map was an essential tool, and ALL areas had value to some class and level...
And so, most of original designers left the team, we got the nerf drop over nerf drop and so...
Why does L2 have such a huge map if i am to visit only a few specific
zones from 1 to 99 ?
Those area's all served a purpose once upon a time, some were party based, some were solo based, some where geared to specific classes to solo at. Here's another reason, to explore new area's to break the clickfest that even now would hold true.
If you think FoM is better than ToI, or WoA faster than FoG/DV, many other examples you clearly have no idea how to efficiently lvl anyway's, so I will go with the best answer available: To make newb's like you ask newbish question's so other's can get a chuckle or two over their morning java~~
I get the idea the OP wants to do nothing more than argue with anyone who doesn't agree with them.
That being said...
The map serves for multiple purposes if you know how to use it. you can locate party members, location of raids,quests, forts etc. You can look at who owns a castle or fort. There are indeed lots of functions within the map other than just looking at it. You can even sort out hunting areas according to levels and try them. There are places that you won't want to stay in long because of the bot factor, so you'll have to try something else.
Maybe when you're asking for information don't get hostile when people tell you. It's not our fault you don't understand something so you degrade it.
who said that u can only do 2 quests of those? and did u tried to plvl toon in swampland lately?
You clearly have no idea how +81 900 quests work.
I always plvl toons in altar of evil if you are asking.It's about 4 - 7 hours
depending on bot count.
Not going to argue about cruma, its fast. But if you say forsaken plains is faster than ToI (for melees) or that Wall of Argos is faster than training in Forge of Gods, i'd argue that you have no idea. WoA is brimming with (non)people as well, EVERYWHERE else is faster.
Yes,i say that and you have no proof for your claim.
what is the point of teleport when i can save so much adena by running
You cry way too much lol.
Stick with the topic or get lost,i have no time for your stupid cries.
Those area's all served a purpose once upon a time, some were party based, some were solo based, some where geared to specific classes to solo at. Here's another reason, to explore new area's to break the clickfest that even now would hold true.
If you think FoM is better than ToI, or WoA faster than FoG/DV, many other examples you clearly have no idea how to efficiently lvl anyway's, so I will go with the best answer available: To make newb's like you ask newbish question's so other's can get a chuckle or two over their morning java~~
Looks like nearly %80 of the server (if we exclude the bots) has no idea how
to efficiently lvl and top up-to-date guides are writen by newbies like me.
LoL.
I get the idea the OP wants to do nothing more than argue with anyone who doesn't agree with them.
That being said...
The map serves for multiple purposes if you know how to use it. you can locate party members, location of raids,quests, forts etc. You can look at who owns a castle or fort. There are indeed lots of functions within the map other than just looking at it. You can even sort out hunting areas according to levels and try them. There are places that you won't want to stay in long because of the bot factor, so you'll have to try something else.
Maybe when you're asking for information don't get hostile when people tell you. It's not our fault you don't understand something so you degrade it.
Well you don't agree with me and you argue,but you accuse me for
doing the same thing LoL.
I am talking about zones which serve the same purpose - Grind and the
great unbalance between them,making so many of them useless.
I don't ask for information.It's a feedback if you couldn't understand.
Calculate the rest yourself.No crits included so don't cry about it LoL.
You still keep proving the exp in ToI is better than Forsaken Plains. The mobs at ToI can be killed at a fast rate no matter how many hits it takes to kill just ONE mob. You also failed to consider that Forsaken Plains is always crowded.
Yes,i say that and you have no proof for your claim.
How can you even use that argument, when all your "facts" consist of statements like "its faster there because i say so".
Leveling in plains is 90% running around to the next mob, you may deem that as efficient because you just look at how long it takes to kill a mob, vs xp over time. (as a melee at least, its different for nukers/archers)
On my WL alt 69-76 took about an hour, poling in FoG. And that was way before those hour long adventurer buffs were out. I never even bothered with any of the daily quests.
But why the hell are we talking about 40-85 locations anyhow, that not even 5% of the grind. If this game lives on for some more years, i suppose that the 40-85 content will dissapear entirely, replaced by new 85-99 zones. Thats the new game, the old mobs were the old game, end of the story. If you were hoping for more consistent and meaningful "old content" you came a few chronicles too late.
I always plvl toons in altar of evil if you are asking.It's about 4 - 7 hours
depending on bot count.
Yes,i say that and you have no proof for your claim.
You cry way too much lol.
Stick with the topic or get lost,i have no time for your stupid cries.
Looks like nearly %80 of the server (if we exclude the bots) has no idea how
to efficiently lvl and top up-to-date guides are writen by newbies like me.
LoL.
Well you don't agree with me and you argue,but you accuse me for
doing the same thing LoL.
I am talking about zones which serve the same purpose - Grind and the
great unbalance between them,making so many of them useless.
I don't ask for information.It's a feedback if you couldn't understand.
What a shame...
Yeah your right and everyone else is wrong ( ITS NOT ME...... EVERYONE ELSE IS JUST STUPID! ), do you even read what you answer and type ?
As for ToI and FoG/DV, have you ever by any chance heard of AOE ? You know the most effective way ( and has alway's been that way ) to lvl ?
Even a mage class can effectively AOE those area's, just takes the know how to do so~~
But you are trying to say single targeting clickfest is the way to go......
I really feel sorry for any of the idiot's that read and had the misfortune of following any of your "uber" leveling guides~~
You still keep proving the exp in ToI is better than Forsaken Plains. The mobs at ToI can be killed at a fast rate no matter how many hits it takes to kill just ONE mob. You also failed to consider that Forsaken Plains is always crowded.
Anyway I'm NOT your son, I'm not even a son.
You keep telling that to yourself but it doesn't make any sense.
I get 250k exp in 5 secs without any disruption,in a spot
where mobs respawn fast and you say you level up faster in a place
where mobs have way too long respawn time and in 5 secs you can
get max 150k exp.Even if we thought we one shot every single mob
in L2 still you get lower exp in Toi because you have to wait for mobs
to respawn.You can't actually be serious about your argument LoL.
I don't care what you are.Just come to me with valid arguments.
How can you even use that argument, when all your "facts" consist of statements like "its faster there because i say so".
Leveling in plains is 90% running around to the next mob, you may deem that as efficient because you just look at how long it takes to kill a mob, vs xp over time. (as a melee at least, its different for nukers/archers)
On my WL alt 69-76 took about an hour, poling in FoG. And that was way before those hour long adventurer buffs were out. I never even bothered with any of the daily quests.
But why the hell are we talking about 40-85 locations anyhow, that not even 5% of the grind. If this game lives on for some more years, i suppose that the 40-85 content will dissapear entirely, replaced by new 85-99 zones. Thats the new game, the old mobs were the old game, end of the story. If you were hoping for more consistent and meaningful "old content" you came a few chronicles too late.
I don't make claims.I talk with numbers and examples.
Still i don't understand about what you are trying to discuss.
I say most places had become useless because of better alternatives and
you are even claiming another alternative which you think is better,
making others useless and proving my exact point.
If one place is way better than other places of same level,that makes
other places and big L2 map useless and we can see that with
our own eyes in-game,where bots and other people grouping in
same spots.
Btw,i missed the ultimate fool here,who claims Blazing Swamp daily
Yeah your right and everyone else is wrong ( ITS NOT ME...... EVERYONE ELSE IS JUST STUPID! ), do you even read what you answer and type ?
As for ToI and FoG/DV, have you ever by any chance heard of AOE ? You know the most effective way ( and has alway's been that way ) to lvl ?
Even a mage class can effectively AOE those area's, just takes the know how to do so~~
But you are trying to say single targeting clickfest is the way to go......
I really feel sorry for any of the idiot's that read and had the misfortune of following any of your "uber" leveling guides~~
I am afraid you are going to say that every class has aoe LoL.
So called great exp-giving aoe spots are not visited by non-aoe classes.
But spots i am talking about are being picked by everyone including
Aoe'ers and even Aoe'ers choose these single-target spots over
aoe spots because they get faster and easier exp.
Your argument is totally invalid.You are trying to say that some
spots are way better than others,which exactly proves my point.
Also 1Peri1 and many other's didn't argue with you our send a disparaging word in your direction, just added reason's which you were asking for, you just attacked anyone that actually had anything to say which didn't affirm what your view of the situation was, to quantify you are either a newb, or a troll~~~
Since that's open to the person that respond's consideration I chose newb because a good troll has sign's of intelligence which you have shown a complete lack of possessing, I'm truly sorry that you are to new to the game to have experienced the greater depth, grandness, storyline, diversity that all area's once upon a time added to, and to a lesser degree your lack of intelligence~~
Also 1Peri1 and many other's didn't argue with you our send a disparaging word in your direction, just added reason's which you were asking for, you just attacked anyone that actually had anything to say which didn't affirm what your view of the situation was, to quantify you are either a newb, or a troll~~~
Since that's open to the person that respond's consideration I chose newb because a good troll has sign's of intelligence which you have shown a complete lack of possessing, I'm truly sorry that you are to new to the game to have experienced the greater depth, grandness, storyline, diversity that all area's once upon a time added to, and to a lesser degree your lack of intelligence~~
This post only contains insults without having any argument in it.
Are you aware ?
When people disagree,they discuss or argue about the topic.
You can't blame anyone because they disagree with you.
You put an opposite argument about the topic to win the discussion.
So since '' notimetocry '' is not the topic here,it just shows some
people are having hard time presenting an argument and atack the
person instead.
Don't act as you were the ones being trolled or flamed.It looks
I am afraid you are going to say that every class has aoe LoL.
So called great exp-giving aoe spots are not visited by non-aoe classes.
But spots i am talking about are being picked by everyone including
Aoe'ers and even Aoe'ers choose these single-target spots over
aoe spots because they get faster and easier exp.
Your argument is totally invalid.You are trying to say that some
spots are way better than others,which exactly proves my point.
Every class can AOE besides healer's as long as they have the gear ( which is provided free of charge these day's ) and the knowledge of how to do so, whats so hard about throwing a dagger in hvy and using a pole? Or using a pole on a BD/SwS, those being probably the hardest classes to AOE on if you don't possess the knowledge to proceed to do so ( and I did in my day, so don't try to say you can't ), and as for healer's AOEing, here's a novel idea, healer form's the party with DD of choice and suggest's AOE, what a MIND BLOWING concept.........
Every class can AOE besides healer's as long as they have the gear ( which is provided free of charge these day's ) and the knowledge of how to do so, whats so hard about throwing a dagger in hvy and using a pole? Or using a pole on a BD/SwS, those being probably the hardest classes to AOE on if you don't possess the knowledge to proceed to do so ( and I did in my day, so don't try to say you can't ), and as for healer's AOEing, here's a novel idea, healer form's the party with DD of choice and suggest's AOE, what a MIND BLOWING concept.........
NN, newbsauce~~
So now you think i 've never aoe farmed in any place ?
It's just a loss of time if you don't have the passives supporting
you for aoeing.
Trust me,hitting 3x mobs while 20x is hitting you,can not be considered
as aoeing.I tried almost every combination to level up and you wouldn't
want the screen shots of my toons,showing both their mains and duals
levels.Stop acting as the prof one here.You might have played long.
Not crying, far from it I find your stupidity and lack of knowledge highly amusing~~
And yes, some classes, WL, WS, Destroyer and Beserker are better at it because of their skill tree's, just makes them more efficient at it, doesn't mean you can't do it as other classes using the right gear and buff's and still destroy single target clickfest rates of XP, its a D A M N good thing you weren't around when Cata's and Necro's were part of the game, or Tower's and Tullies when those were the area's of choice to get to 85 which was the top lvl when they were introduced, you would have shat your little panties trying to AOE there and promptly told everyone else that could do so they were lieing about the XP rate~~
I wasn't arguing or insulting and YET the OP insists upon getting defensive. You know no matter what we say his way is right and we're morons so there you have it.
I don't really see any reason for this thread other than for the OP to argue and tell everyone they are wrong. Everyone knows that you follow the path to awakening. That is how the **** game is designed now. You aren't going to better that. Every class has it's xping perks, figure it out, go do it your way and shut-up already.
Not crying, far from it I find your stupidity and lack of knowledge highly amusing~~
And yes, some classes, WL, WS, Destroyer and Beserker are better at it because of their skill tree's, just makes them more efficient at it, doesn't mean you can't do it as other classes using the right gear and buff's and still destroy single target clickfest rates of XP, its a D A M N good thing you weren't around when Cata's and Necro's were part of the game, or Tower's and Tullies when those were the area's of choice to get to 85 which was the top lvl when they were introduced, you would have shat your little panties trying to AOE there and promptly told everyone else that could do so they were lieing about the XP rate~~
I don't remember saying you can't.I say you lose time because
you kill extremely slow compared to single target places.
Anyways,i don't care about a noob,who made himself believe
in a false exp tactic.You can keep believing what you think is true.
Just answer that :
You say every class should aoe and that is the fastest way to exp
for every single class (LoL nvm).Now tell me doesn't it make
other places of same level and a big part of L2 map useless ?
I wasn't arguing or insulting and YET the OP insists upon getting defensive. You know no matter what we say his way is right and we're morons so there you have it.
I don't really see any reason for this thread other than for the OP to argue and tell everyone they are wrong. Everyone knows that you follow the path to awakening. That is how the **** game is designed now. You aren't going to better that. Every class has it's xping perks, figure it out, go do it your way and shut-up already.
You are crying in my thread while being totally irrelevant to the subject
and now you tell me to shut up ? :D :D
If the topic doesn't interest you,you shouldn't butt in to cry.
I don't remember saying you can't.I say you lose time because
you kill extremely slow compared to single target places.
Anyways,i don't care about a noob,who made himself believe
in a false exp tactic.You can keep believing what you think is true.
Just answer that :
You say every class should aoe and that is the fastest way to exp
for every single class (LoL nvm).Now tell me doesn't it make
other places of same level and a big part of L2 map useless ?
As stated before you don't possess the intelligence to even read your own post's or the responses that ensue~~
Your first post asked WHY DOES THIS HUGE MAP EXIST, myself and many other's went out of our way and spent a few precious second's of our time to explain this to you. instead of genuflecting and showing correct sign's of appreciation for our generosity. you chose to call everyone idiots and changed your question at will to suit your need's to espouse your "intelligence". you may now show the proper gratification as is proper, or go and edit your very first post so your argument's to those responses seem even more pathetic, then you may argue over XP rates and make those responses at least appear to be coherent even as they continue to expose your newbishness~~
You are trying to evade discussions.It's really pathetic.
Noone is wasting their time and i'm not worried about wasting my time
to reach a level.Most people know the best way to reach a certain level
without losing time and what i'm trying to say is,there shouldn't be a best
way.Because everyone who has a goal and are not stupid,will just follow
that best way,causing other ways being useless and then my question
will be asked again '' Why does L2 have such a huge map if i am to visit
only a few specific zones from 1 to 99 ? ''
and again,stop evading discussions ...
You aren't restricted to just certain areas. You can visit the entire map if you want to. It's optional to give you that option that's why. Not to mention those less used areas eventually get revamped for higher levels. They won't be erased totally from the map. renamed a little and reused for later purposes.
If you insist on arguing about the map then just send a suggestion to support and get it over it.
You are crying way too much and thinking people find you
sympathetic because of the pitiful jokes you post.
But i tell you what,you are way too far from being sympathetic,
the word would be true without '' sym '' in it.
Such a disgrace...
against such immense stupidity i can only shake my head.
you do not realize that L2 has a 10 year history, and has added over 10 expansions, within which were new areas, new monsters, new skills, and new quests.
everything changed from the first day of the game; some parts are worth playing in, others are yet-to-be-updated.
it is simply a matter of time before the "useless" areas get re-worked quests, new mobs, or get deleted.
if you werent so arrogant, selfish, and delusional maybe you could have figured out that the game has evolved from a competition of level 40's (10 years ago) to a competition of level 358 (99/99/80/80)
map is large because there is story, and adventure to be gained by going to places not on the path to awakening.
these areas will one day be updated to suit a higher level, but for now they are just variety and scenery.
i imagine that in your perfect world...
every area = a small box with little cubes to attack.
each level, those cubes have different names... but otherwise it is all the same. because you clearly don't care about anything outside your little box.
As stated before you don't possess the intelligence to even read your own post's or the responses that ensue~~
Your first post asked WHY DOES THIS HUGE MAP EXIST, myself and many other's went out of our way and spent a few precious second's of our time to explain this to you. instead of genuflecting and showing correct sign's of appreciation for our generosity. you chose to call everyone idiots and changed your question at will to suit your need's to espouse your "intelligence". you may now show the proper gratification as is proper, or go and edit your very first post so your argument's to those responses seem even more pathetic, then you may argue over XP rates and make those responses at least appear to be coherent even as they continue to expose your newbishness~~
So few people actually answered for the first question i asked.
Then some of you misleaded the topic into a fight of
'' Which way is the best to exp ? '' totally irrelevant.
I am already telling you,there shouldn't be a best way to exp.
I ask '' Why there is a way better exping spot,making others useless ? ''
and you say '' Hey,you are noob.Aoeing is the best way to exp. ''
Relation .. where ?
This coming from you?
Wahhhhh map is huge and useless. Wahhhhhhh I want fast Xp....wahhhhhh
some time back, they decided to improve leveling from 1-85.
in the process they improved several leveling areas and added them to the "Path to Awakening" on this path you have an easy way to level.
it would be nice if they increased all area xp rates.
but for the time being they needn't bother.
because everyone levels 1-85 very quickly.
as for 85-99 that is a tougher call.
places like harnak and garden of genesis, places like the alter out near bloody swamp... those areas are probably not used as often sicnce introduction of the kartia instance... i know not many people do the nursery daily anymore, but it's only good for 1-2%
You aren't restricted to just certain areas. You can visit the entire map if you want to. It's optional to give you that option that's why. Not to mention those less used areas eventually get revamped for higher levels. They won't be erased totally from the map. renamed a little and reused for later purposes.
If you insist on arguing about the map then just send a suggestion to support and get it over it.
against such immense stupidity i can only shake my head.
you do not realize that L2 has a 10 year history, and has added over 10 expansions, within which were new areas, new monsters, new skills, and new quests.
everything changed from the first day of the game; some parts are worth playing in, others are yet-to-be-updated.
it is simply a matter of time before the "useless" areas get re-worked quests, new mobs, or get deleted.
if you werent so arrogant, selfish, and delusional maybe you could have figured out that the game has evolved from a competition of level 40's (10 years ago) to a competition of level 358 (99/99/80/80)
do you not read responses?
it is pretty clear.
map is large because there is story, and adventure to be gained by going to places not on the path to awakening.
these areas will one day be updated to suit a higher level, but for now they are just variety and scenery.
i imagine that in your perfect world...
every area = a small box with little cubes to attack.
each level, those cubes have different names... but otherwise it is all the same. because you clearly don't care about anything outside your little box.
These cries are not explaining the imbalance between the same level
exping spots and no matter how hard you cry for it,you can not change
the fact that a big part of lineage 2 map is useless atm.
Cry more.You can think me of someone who disagrees with everyone
but there is a fact,i do not discuss or argue with different people here.
You are a stupid group and i consider all of you as one person.Because
every one of you are just pitiful copies of one another and coming up
with pitiful questions,insults,jokes which have already received the
So few people actually answered for the first question i asked.
Then some of you misleaded the topic into a fight of
'' Which way is the best to exp ? '' totally irrelevant.
I am already telling you,there shouldn't be a best way to exp.
I ask '' Why there is a way better exping spot,making others useless ? ''
and you say '' Hey,you are noob.Aoeing is the best way to exp. ''
Relation .. where ?
I don't remember me demanding a faster exp spot lol.
I already know the best way to level up and i am saying that
there should be other ways which can be alternatives without
sacrificing from something.So big L2 map can actually mean something.
You don't know how to read and put yourself in pitiful situations.
I ask freedom,choices and variety,not a better spot for exp.
Snap out of it already.
Look at my last post, YOU HAVE OPTIONS IF YOU CHOSE TO GO THERE.
I don't think you wanna read what people are telling you. The map is vast and there are LOTS of options to go play in several areas of your picking. The map gets updates here and there. Old areas become new places,but still leaving room for low levels.
I don't think you want to read, you just want to insult,troll and flame. You keep changing the point of your post. First it's the map then its xping and then it's the map again.
Look at my last post, YOU HAVE OPTIONS IF YOU CHOSE TO GO THERE.
I don't think you wanna read what people are telling you. The map is vast and there are LOTS of options to go play in several areas of your picking. The map gets updates here and there. Old areas become new places,but still leaving room for low levels.
I don't think you want to read, you just want to insult,troll and flame. You keep changing the point of your post. First it's the map then its xping and then it's the map again.
you bi-polar?
You accuse me of talking without reading.
But,have a look at the mirror :
I keep saying this
'' Yes,there are choices.But,people have a goal - reaching the expected
level as fast as they can and this makes them to play in the same spots
with everyone else regardless of their races and classes.
These cries are not explaining the imbalance between the same level
exping spots and no matter how hard you cry for it,you can not change
the fact that a big part of lineage 2 map is useless atm.
Cry more.You can think me of someone who disagrees with everyone
but there is a fact,i do not discuss or argue with different people here.
You are a stupid group and i consider all of you as one person.Because
every one of you are just pitiful copies of one another and coming up
with pitiful questions,insults,jokes which have already received the
answer required.
If a group of people are all telling you the same thing then obviously there is some truth here. Let's apply some logic and common sense here.
How are these areas imbalanced to you? I don't see how they are. If you run the daily quest spots they are all balanced for the level required to play there. If you see it as imbalanced because it's an area not used in the path to awakening that's just your thinking, those other spots are set up as intended until NCSoft decides to update them as they see fit. Obviously 1-85 isn't intended to take long because the game actually starts at 85 now so pushing players to that makes more sense.
There isn't any need to be concerned about areas that are unpopular. You should be more concerned about 95+ and how to hit that.
1 So few people actually answered for the first question i asked.
Then some of you misleaded the topic into a fight of
'' Which way is the best to exp ? '' totally irrelevant.
I am already telling you,there shouldn't be a best way to exp.
I ask '' Why there is a way better exping spot,making others useless ? ''
and you say '' Hey,you are noob.Aoeing is the best way to exp. ''
Relation .. where ?
I don't remember me demanding a faster exp spot lol.
I already know the best way to level up and i am saying that
there should be other ways which can be alternatives without
sacrificing from something.So big L2 map can actually mean something.
You don't know how to read and put yourself in pitiful situations.
2 I ask freedom,choices and variety,not a better spot for exp.
Snap out of it already.
1 Once again reading comprehension seem's to elude you, I clearly explained reason's for the map's size in my first post, while also adding better way's to XP than you exampled while bending your question in further post's.
2 How does a larger map not provide you with those pray tell ?
'' Yes,there are choices.But,people have a goal - reaching the expected
level as fast as they can and this makes them to play in the same spots
with everyone else regardless of their races and classes.
I can choose.But,why would i ? ''
Then obviously getting through 1-85 the fastest would be to do your PtA dailies and trying the areas people suggested.
If that isn't acceptable to you, then figure it out yourself instead of endlessly arguing with everyone that you think is stupid. I don't see you suggesting anything proven to be better
they left some areas behind so they could cultivate them for the future updates. otherwise we would have 3 times the map size if they didn't improve areas.
Sel mahum used to be an area with groups of mobs called something like evil hunting grounds. it was kind of fun hunting there every once in a while.
the area known as fields of whispers/silence used to be home to lizardmen, and weird floaty dragon like creatures. i believe there were also dead fish monsters and aligators around.
they are constantly updating things.
they just recently updated hellbound.
i'm sure they will update other areas eventually.
until then, enjoy the scenery.
because Aden is a vast and beautiful landscape...
These cries are not explaining the imbalance between the same level
exping spots and no matter how hard you cry for it,you can not change
the fact that a big part of lineage 2 map is useless atm.
Cry more.You can think me of someone who disagrees with everyone
but there is a fact,i do not discuss or argue with different people here.
You are a stupid group and i consider all of you as one person.Because
every one of you are just pitiful copies of one another and coming up
with pitiful questions,insults,jokes which have already received the
answer required.
You must be confused then, can't even differentiate people.
The people here keep giving you responses that you don't want to hear so you write it off as arguments and insults. You should seriously consider playing a different game, Lineage 2 obviously isn't the game for you.
The more you respond here, the more you keep making yourself look like a fool.
If a group of people are all telling you the same thing then obviously there is some truth here. Let's apply some logic and common sense here.
How are these areas imbalanced to you? I don't see how they are. If you run the daily quest spots they are all balanced for the level required to play there. If you see it as imbalanced because it's an area not used in the path to awakening that's just your thinking, those other spots are set up as intended until NCSoft decides to update them as they see fit. Obviously 1-85 isn't intended to take long because the game actually starts at 85 now so pushing players to that makes more sense.
There isn't any need to be concerned about areas that are unpopular. You should be more concerned about 95+ and how to hit that.
He obviously spend's more time on the forum's pontificating his incredible game knowledge to ever have to worry about those area's~~
Hey notimetocry, you need to change that forum name to plentyoftimetocry btw~~
If a group of people are all telling you the same thing then obviously there is some truth here.blah blah
That would be true if i didn't have any experience about that group,
whose failures i 've seen in many threads including mines.A group
which consists of copycats who are programmed to disagree with
whomever starts a thread,which only includes people who lack
originality and self-opinions to share.
1 Once again reading comprehension seem's to elude you, I clearly explained reason's for the map's size in my first post, while also adding better way's to XP than you exampled while bending your question in further post's.
2 How does a larger map not provide you with those pray tell ?
You obviously don't have any idea what you and i are talking about.
Then obviously getting through 1-85 the fastest would be to do your PtA dailies and trying the areas people suggested.
If that isn't acceptable to you, then figure it out yourself instead of endlessly arguing with everyone that you think is stupid. I don't see you suggesting anything proven to be better
How many times do i have to tell you.
I am not having any single problem leveling up and i don't need any
suggestion about in which places i should grind.
I am telling there should be choices,alternatives,variety,freedom.
The suggestion is to balance the same level hunting zones,so
they can be considered as alternatives,if you still couldn't figure it out.
they left some areas behind so they could cultivate them for the future updates. otherwise we would have 3 times the map size if they didn't improve areas.
Sel mahum used to be an area with groups of mobs called something like evil hunting grounds. it was kind of fun hunting there every once in a while.
the area known as fields of whispers/silence used to be home to lizardmen, and weird floaty dragon like creatures. i believe there were also dead fish monsters and aligators around.
they are constantly updating things.
they just recently updated hellbound.
i'm sure they will update other areas eventually.
until then, enjoy the scenery.
because Aden is a vast and beautiful landscape...
I don't disagree with that and i think they proceed a bit slowly.Because
some places have been useless for years.
You must be confused then, can't even differentiate people.
The people here keep giving you responses that you don't want to hear so you write it off as arguments and insults. You should seriously consider playing a different game, Lineage 2 obviously isn't the game for you.
The more you respond here, the more you keep making yourself look like a fool.
You actually can't be thinking i'm looking like the fool here.
At least i don't evade a discussion when i get the beat.I can confirm
and apologise if needed.But,you are just pathetic enough to evade.
He obviously spend's more time on the forum's pontificating his incredible game knowledge to ever have to worry about those area's~~
Hey notimetocry, you need to change that forum name to plentyoftimetocry btw~~
I understand you are trying to insult me with your pitiful jokes,which
have been made countless times.You need originality to be funny,if that
is your goal.
Look the guy above Bystacur ... i can't say a single word opposing him,
i don't like it.But,at least it's a bit original,not a copycat and this is
preventing me from hitting back.
You obviously have a long road to travel to achieve your purpose.
Now you are just being laughed at yourself,not your joke.
These cries are not explaining the imbalance between the same level
exping spots and no matter how hard you cry for it,you can not change
the fact that a big part of lineage 2 map is useless atm.
Cry more.You can think me of someone who disagrees with everyone
but there is a fact,i do not discuss or argue with different people here.
You are a stupid group and i consider all of you as one person.Because
every one of you are just pitiful copies of one another and coming up
with pitiful questions,insults,jokes which have already received the
answer required.
yes, in fact it DOES explain why half the map is "useless"
when Path of Awakening was introduced most of the areas that it re-worked were low level, and in order to create a distinct straight, easy line of hunting, they gone and used some of the areas in new ways (like Mithril Mines which used to be level 30's zone, then was changed to level 80's, then nerfed because farmer bots plagued it)
in the process of changing areas to suit certain character archetypes (like mages) they gave mobs huge pdef or arrow resistance (or both). this created a zone that was only suited to mages.
imagine changes like this happening nearly twice per year.
thats why half the map is useless, and is 100% YOUR FAULT for not reviewing the expansions notes.
you know it was only in this path to awakening that all the characters began in the same zone in talking island. each race used to have its own starting area.
these are but a few of the COUNTLESS area changes that _DO_ account for why the map is "useless"
by the way, however, hunting in TOI is nearly the fastest exp gain you will ever see since level 1-40. when you hunt there (correctly) you will do 60-75 in the same amount of time as 1-40.
if you had another brain cell you would be on track, to know Ertheia update will bring MORE quests to path of awakening, and LESS exp per quest, which means you have to do more hunting, in more zones.
but none of that matters to the proper TOI group who will not be doing any part of the path to awakening, and still level faster than all the bots who will be using it.
That would be true if i didn't have any experience about that group,
whose failures i 've seen in many threads including mines.A group
which consists of copycats who are programmed to disagree with
whomever starts a thread,which only includes people who lack
originality and self-opinions to share.
You obviously don't have any idea what you and i are talking about.
How many times do i have to tell you.
I am not having any single problem leveling up and i don't need any
suggestion about in which places i should grind.
I am telling there should be choices,alternatives,variety,freedom.
The suggestion is to balance the same level hunting zones,so
they can be considered as alternatives,if you still couldn't figure it out.
To: plentyoftimetocry
Funny how if you had the reading comprehension to understand the area's that I boldfaced and numbered to make it easier for you, you would obviously see that they were clearly responded to~~
I understand you are trying to insult me with your pitiful jokes,which
have been made countless times.You need originality to be funny,if that
is your goal.
Look the guy above Bystacur ... i can't say a single word opposing him,
i don't like it.But,at least it's a bit original,not a copycat and this is
preventing me from hitting back.
You obviously have a long road to travel to achieve your purpose.
Now you are just being laughed at yourself,not your joke.
Wow, I stand corrected, it appear's you do indeed have at least a small amount of reading comprehension, take heart, sometime in the future ( doubtful as this may be ) this limited sign of comprehension may actually expand to the point that you can actually carry on a discussion with more advanced human's than first grader's!
BTW, there is this thing called paragraph's and correct spelling you may want to take the time to learn the meaning of, or wait till second grade when they will start to explain these to you, just trying to give you a boost up on your classmates, you can thank me later, I only aim to advance your vast library of knowledge!
You say that a: There isnt enough variety of places to level up in
wheras we say that: There are some other places out there that are just as good for leveling up
where you say: but the xp there is worse than place a
"some long discussion about xp efficiency"
but then you say: you dont care about xp and just want variety.
and then, when other people bring up other places, you go on and on about xp efficiency.
so either, you have a terrible short term memory, are arguing for the sake of arguing (accusing someone to be a troll is against forum rules, apparently) or generally make up your oppinion the moment you post something.
either way, make up your **** mind, and stay at that side of the argument. This seems more and more like you are just bored out of your skull and seek some attention.
You actually can't be thinking i'm looking like the fool here.
At least i don't evade a discussion when i get the beat.I can confirm
and apologise if needed.But,you are just pathetic enough to evade.
I gave you valid responses hell, I've even did the math for you, and yet you still wrote it off as wrong because at ToI it takes too long to kill just ONE mob where in Forsaken Plains you can level up faster by 1-2 shotting mobs.
You keep calling me pathetic and yet you write off all the answers given not just by me, but everyone else, who all have been giving you similar, if not the same, answers and you still write it as wrong because they didn't agree with you.
I swear, you have more issues going on than a woman pmsing.
You say that a: There isnt enough variety of places to level up in
wheras we say that: There are some other places out there that are just as good for leveling up
where you say: but the xp there is worse than place a
"some long discussion about xp efficiency"
but then you say: you dont care about xp and just want variety.
and then, when other people bring up other places, you go on and on about xp efficiency.
so either, you have a terrible short term memory, are arguing for the sake of arguing (accusing someone to be a troll is against forum rules, apparently) or generally make up your oppinion the moment you post something.
either way, make up your **** mind, and stay at that side of the argument. This seems more and more like you are just bored out of your skull and seek some attention.
edit: omfg, i formatted this post like the OP 0.o
OMFG, plentyoftimetocry has explained this, we are all wrong, and he is right, I would be remiss if I did not state what he/she/it obviously has already taken the time to clear up for us!
yes, in fact it DOES explain why half the map is "useless"
when Path of Awakening was introduced most of the areas that it re-worked were low level, and in order to create a distinct straight, easy line of hunting, they gone and used some of the areas in new ways (like Mithril Mines which used to be level 30's zone, then was changed to level 80's, then nerfed because farmer bots plagued it)
in the process of changing areas to suit certain character archetypes (like mages) they gave mobs huge pdef or arrow resistance (or both). this created a zone that was only suited to mages.
imagine changes like this happening nearly twice per year.
thats why half the map is useless, and is 100% YOUR FAULT for not reviewing the expansions notes.
you know it was only in this path to awakening that all the characters began in the same zone in talking island. each race used to have its own starting area.
these are but a few of the COUNTLESS area changes that _DO_ account for why the map is "useless"
by the way, however, hunting in TOI is nearly the fastest exp gain you will ever see since level 1-40. when you hunt there (correctly) you will do 60-75 in the same amount of time as 1-40.
You are just coming in my point.You were disagreeing with that
and now telling many zones being useless and hoping for them to be
reworked.
Even if the updates having been made,there still always had been a best
place for exp,even that place changes to another place,it's still the same
story.Always some places are way better than other places.I just stopped
discussing about which is the best.You can understand by checking the
crowdness of these areas and even if you exclude bots,there is a huge
difference which proves my point.
If you wanna make a suggestion then perhaps put it in the suggestion section of the forums or hey submit it to support.
This didn't start out as a suggestion to me, more like a complaint.
As i stated before this is more of a feedback rather than a suggestion.
Who cares about suggestions anyways.
if you had another brain cell you would be on track, to know Ertheia update will bring MORE quests to path of awakening, and LESS exp per quest, which means you have to do more hunting, in more zones.
but none of that matters to the proper TOI group who will not be doing any part of the path to awakening, and still level faster than all the bots who will be using it.
Same story again.As you claim as the best spot,even if i don't think so,
should make others useless,if they don't have any speciality to make
up the difference of the time used.
Wow, I stand corrected, it appear's you do indeed have at least a small amount of reading comprehension, take heart, sometime in the future ( doubtful as this may be ) this limited sign of comprehension may actually expand to the point that you can actually carry on a discussion with more advanced human's than first grader's!
BTW, there is this thing called paragraph's and correct spelling you may want to take the time to learn the meaning of, or wait till second grade when they will start to explain these to you, just trying to give you a boost up on your classmates, you can thank me later, I only aim to advance your vast library of knowledge!
You cry way too much seriously ... how long are you planning to keep
You say that a: There isnt enough variety of places to level up in
wheras we say that: There are some other places out there that are just as good for leveling up
where you say: but the xp there is worse than place a
"some long discussion about xp efficiency"
but then you say: you dont care about xp and just want variety.
and then, when other people bring up other places, you go on and on about xp efficiency.
so either, you have a terrible short term memory, are arguing for the sake of arguing (accusing someone to be a troll is against forum rules, apparently) or generally make up your oppinion the moment you post something.
either way, make up your **** mind, and stay at that side of the argument. This seems more and more like you are just bored out of your skull and seek some attention.
edit: omfg, i formatted this post like the OP 0.o
I have said like million times.I don't have problems with exping and i
don't need suggestions for where i should level up.I already know where
i can get the fastest exp.I just want variety,some unpopular zones to be
worth visiting.So your big wall of text means nothing.There is no
contradiction here.
I gave you valid responses hell, I've even did the math for you, and yet you still wrote it off as wrong because at ToI it takes too long to kill just ONE mob where in Forsaken Plains you can level up faster by 1-2 shotting mobs.
You keep calling me pathetic and yet you write off all the answers given not just by me, but everyone else, who all have been giving you similar, if not the same, answers and you still write it as wrong because they didn't agree with you.
I swear, you have more issues going on than a woman pmsing.
You didn't give any valid response.You posted an argument about
which place is the best to exp,which is also irrelevant and you didn't
support your argument.You just evaded it.Check previous pages.
I don't want to say that over and over again.But,you are just pathetic dude.
You mock me and this behavior causes endless stream's of saline imbued H2O to pour from my optical organ's, I know you find my tear's delicious ... but how long are you planning to keep
this up ?
Until you respond intelligently or I find it less amusing, betting on the latter happening first~~
I'm not sure which is worse. His posts or the people who insist on responding to him.
It started out as amusing, now it's just become increasingly annoying to have someone talk in circles and then tell you you're the dumb one for pointing it out.
It started out as amusing, now it's just become increasingly annoying to have someone talk in circles and then tell you you're the dumb one for pointing it out.
About to give up and let this be locked tomorrow.
Well you keep telling me that i am dumb.But,it doesn't get on my nerves
Ok.ZUhahahah puahaha omg dude that was so funny.How did you even
come up with that ? ahahaha you are so clever.These jokes are full of
logic.
I wouldn't say logical, more that they are descriptive of your IQ, Wait till Smittie and a few other's decide to play with your brilliance, then again the ensuing multi quote of your irrefutable intelligent statement's may be to brain melting to even attempt at this point~~
H o, H o, H o, grammatical correction's forthcoming from the KING of not bothering to spell check himself ? My my my, truly why reach for the next rung on the educational ladder when you can reach for the star's.
H o, H o, H o, grammatical correction's forthcoming from the KING of not bothering to spell check himself ? My my my, truly why reach for the next rung on the educational ladder when you can reach for the star's.
i suppose calling someone bi-polar is not as bad as some other things they could say. however, could this be used for someone who has a split view on a subject? as in someone who flips flops and or waffles on a topic?
because traditionally Bi-polar is an emotional disorder.
going from happy to sad, to angry... switching drastically each time.
but maybe there was another intended meaning of the term?
Show me one of your posts where you say '' Ah,sorry i got it wrong ''
then i can take it back.I don't want to humiliate you,but you should know
you can have nothing in common with me,if i caused an impression like
that.
I am sure he or she is aware that he or she has more reading comprehension, intelligence and game knowledge than you do. But you pointing this out is sure to send waves of good feeling's from you to him or her, kinda like the heart bow that those who have been around long enough possess, let the <3 fest commence!
OMG yet another small sign of intelligence, retreat to live to fight another day!
I may have slightly underestimated plentyoftimetocry, for that I almost want to apologize, almost but not quite~~
This game lets people choose in which place they would like to play.But,those places can not be considered as alternatives because there is a huge difference and those who choose other places are going to be considered as fools because they lose their time for nothing.
Here you imply that there are only a handfull of zones that are worth it for xp.
I say most places had become useless because of better alternatives and you are even claiming another alternative which you think is better, making others useless and proving my exact point.
Here i told you, there were other zones that are faster than your holy trinity of farming places, meaning there *are* alternatives based on different classes. But you somehow twist that around that now your hunting place suddenly became non relevant.
But spots i am talking about are being picked by everyone including Aoe'ers and even Aoe'ers choose these single-target spots over aoe spots because they get faster and easier exp. Your argument is totally invalid.You are trying to say that some spots are way better than others,which exactly proves my point.
Here you first say that all the aoe classes still hunt in "your" hunting places, because its faster xp. Then you say, even if other places are faster for other classes (that means, valid) that suddenly devalues all other places where you normally grind, because xp is inferior. Does that make sense? No, it doesnt, but wait, it gets better.
So few people actually answered for the first question i asked. Then some of you misleaded the topic into a fight of '' Which way is the best to exp ? '' totally irrelevant. I am already telling you,there shouldn't be a best way to exp. I ask '' Why there is a way better exping spot,making others useless ? '' and you say '' Hey,you are noob.Aoeing is the best way to exp. '' Relation .. where ?
exactly. While we keep telling you (to paraphrase it) "There are other valid leveling places based on your class". What you deem as crap hunting zone, many others find better, due to their class. Hence, there is variety, based on your class. Even funnier, your ENTIRE MOTHER****ING debate hinges on "there are 5 places that are the fastest to xp for me, all other places are irrelevant for me because of that". While there is a chorus of people in the background shouting "but not for others".
How many times do i have to tell you. I am not having any single problem leveling up and i don't need any suggestion about in which places i should grind. I am telling there should be choices,alternatives,variety,freedom. The suggestion is to balance the same level hunting zones,so they can be considered as alternatives,if you still couldn't figure it out.
And, back to point one. And my final reply.
There are a few zones (a handful of them) that were not touched in path of awakening. Those zones are bad(ish) xp, noone debates that. You can still farm them, and based on server and how many people there are (ie. competition in a hunting ground) it will be still faster than mainstream hunting zones, cause there wont be bots/many people. Somewhen in the future, those zones will very likely become 85-99 hunting zones, but they are *still* valid.
There are zones, that based on your class, will be faster than others, hence variety. There are zones, that are just too populated, hence variety, there are zones that dont have enough mob density for melees hence variety.... and so on.
Just because you level up every class the same, doesnt mean there isnt enough variety, it just means you are too blind to use it.
And, finally, your argumentation sucks balls. You didnt make a single valid point that you didnt refute *yourself* a few posts later. While on the other hand, you ignored each statement from others, and kept on with your inane self contradictory rambling. Also, if i ever see post formating like yours, i will gauge my frigging eyes out. Dont chop your sentences up, press enter after you completed it.
I didnt use paragraphs at all to spite you, mwahahahhaaha.
I think some of my brain melted in the process of this.
It started out as amusing, now it's just become increasingly annoying to have someone talk in circles and then tell you you're the dumb one for pointing it out.
Here you imply that there are only a handfull of zones that are worth it for xp.
Here i told you, there were other zones that are faster than your holy trinity of farming places, meaning there *are* alternatives based on different classes. But you somehow twist that around that now your hunting place suddenly became non relevant.
Here you first say that all the aoe classes still hunt in "your" hunting places, because its faster xp. Then you say, even if other places are faster for other classes (that means, valid) that suddenly devalues all other places where you normally grind, because xp is inferior. Does that make sense? No, it doesnt, but wait, it gets better.
exactly. While we keep telling you (to paraphrase it) "There are other valid leveling places based on your class". What you deem as crap hunting zone, many others find better, due to their class. Hence, there is variety, based on your class. Even funnier, your ENTIRE MOTHER****ING debate hinges on "there are 5 places that are the fastest to xp for me, all other places are irrelevant for me because of that". While there is a chorus of people in the background shouting "but not for others".
And, back to point one. And my final reply.
There are a few zones (a handful of them) that were not touched in path of awakening. Those zones are bad(ish) xp, noone debates that. You can still farm them, and based on server and how many people there are (ie. competition in a hunting ground) it will be still faster than mainstream hunting zones, cause there wont be bots/many people. Somewhen in the future, those zones will very likely become 85-99 hunting zones, but they are *still* valid.
There are zones, that based on your class, will be faster than others, hence variety. There are zones, that are just too populated, hence variety, there are zones that dont have enough mob density for melees hence variety.... and so on.
Just because you level up every class the same, doesnt mean there isnt enough variety, it just means you are too blind to use it.
And, finally, your argumentation sucks balls. You didnt make a single valid point that you didnt refute *yourself* a few posts later. While on the other hand, you ignored each statement from others, and kept on with your inane self contradictory rambling. Also, if i ever see post formating like yours, i will gauge my frigging eyes out. Dont chop your sentences up, press enter after you completed it.
I didnt use paragraphs at all to spite you, mwahahahhaaha.
I think some of my brain melted in the process of this.
You have evaded almost every discussion so far and claiming to be
the wise one lol.I first asked a question which would lead to a feedback
after i get the required response.Then i gave the feedback about
how i find a big part of L2 map useless and suddenly a guy tried to turn
this into a '' Which spot is the best to exp ''.I was going to call this
irrelevant.But,then i noticed that it was actually a mislead which was going
to be in my favor.You fall into a trap on your own,a trap which you
have set for your ownselves.Because in either way,if i was wrong about
the '' best exp spot '' or not,it was going to prove my actual point and
it did.If there is a best exp spot that means a big part of L2 is useless,
regardless of which spot is it.I asked balance and variety so that already
means we shouldn't have been able to call a spot '' way better than
others '' and now you say i'm in a contradiction with myself LoL.
No matter how hard you try to evade it with big wall of imaginated texts
filled with empty claims,you can't change the fact that you have been fighting
with me for just to prove my exact point from the very start.
Now i will spam that crap until i get the response from you about it :
I say most places had become useless because of better alternatives and
you are even claiming another alternative which you think is better,
Yes it's doable and you can get level if you are persistent enough.
But,can't ignore the fact that you had lost a big amount of time.
Ah,if you had no goal to reach and were just there to kill some time,
i have nothing to say.
Kekropus quests, 80+ dailies, 80+ PtA packs, newbie guide buffs were all commodities introduced months, if not years, after I awakened into Aeore Healer.
At that time GC and DV parties were still popular.
Kekropus quests, 80+ dailies, 80+ PtA packs, newbie guide buffs were all commodities introduced months, if not years, after I awakened into Aeore Healer.
At that time GC and DV parties were still popular.
And Anthy Lair. I remember the EXP there was beautiful.
Also. I met notimetocry in game. He's kinda weaksauce.
You have evaded almost every discussion so far and claiming to be the wise one lol.I first asked a question which would lead to a feedback after i get the required response.Then i gave the feedback about how i find a big part of L2 map useless and suddenly a guy tried to turn this into a '' Which spot is the best to exp ''.I was going to call this irrelevant.But,then i noticed that it was actually a mislead which was going to be in my favor.You fall into a trap on your own,a trap which you have set for your ownselves.Because in either way,if i was wrong about the '' best exp spot '' or not,it was going to prove my actual point and it did. If there is a best exp spot that means a big part of L2 is useless, regardless of which spot is it.I asked balance and variety so that already means we shouldn't have been able to call a spot '' way better than others '' and now you say i'm in a contradiction with myself LoL. No matter how hard you try to evade it with big wall of imaginated texts filled with empty claims,you can't change the fact that you have been fighting with me for just to prove my exact point from the very start. Now i will spam that crap until i get the response from you about it
Dont you frigging see that yourself? People say there is variety, because there are other xp spots. You say that the big part of the map is useless because there are better xp spots. Then you contradict yourself by saying suddenly your xp places are useless, because others are valid as well.
Then you say everything else is useless because... why actually, you gave no reason at all.
The different formatting of your text highlights your two opposing oppinions, that finally clash in some really ****** up way. Like two people writing one text. Or some scizophrenic switching personas.
I couldnt even debunk your arguments as well as you do. I tip my hat to you, have fun discussing among yourself.
Dont you frigging see that yourself? People say there is variety, because there are other xp spots. You say that the big part of the map is useless because there are better xp spots. Then you contradict yourself by saying suddenly your xp places are useless, because others are valid as well.
Then you say everything else is useless because... why actually, you gave no reason at all.
The different formatting of your text highlights your two opposing oppinions, that finally clash in some really ****** up way. Like two people writing one text. Or some scizophrenic switching personas.
I couldnt even debunk your arguments as well as you do. I tip my hat to you, have fun discussing among yourself.
Why do you even try. The OP is an absolute downsyndrome azzhat. :3
Kekropus quests, 80+ dailies, 80+ PtA packs, newbie guide buffs were all commodities introduced months, if not years, after I awakened into Aeore Healer.
At that time GC and DV parties were still popular.
They were.But you didn't provide the information of the time you leveled
there and this just makes it a meaningless discussion.
And Anthy Lair. I remember the EXP there was beautiful.
Also. I met notimetocry in game. He's kinda weaksauce.
You have never met me in-game and i have never seen you except with
an alt of mine,at whom you were crying for invite to the very first Frintezza
party you had been in.Insect.
Dont you frigging see that yourself? People say there is variety, because there are other xp spots. You say that the big part of the map is useless because there are better xp spots. Then you contradict yourself by saying suddenly your xp places are useless, because others are valid as well.
Then you say everything else is useless because... why actually, you gave no reason at all.
The different formatting of your text highlights your two opposing oppinions, that finally clash in some really ****** up way. Like two people writing one text. Or some scizophrenic switching personas.
I couldnt even debunk your arguments as well as you do. I tip my hat to you, have fun discussing among yourself.
You keep saying that i was in a contradiction with myself.But you can't
explain or prove it.I gave reasons for everything and your brain can't
understand that simple thing or you are forcing it not to understand.Because
that will mean a defeat with a disgrace when you actually understand.
Answer it,stop crying for your pitiful accusations :
I say most places had become useless because of better alternatives and
you are even claiming another alternative which you think is better,
clearly the op knows exactly why so much of the map is unused.
he just wants the dev team to update them to match path to awakening areas to give people variety.
there is no word from the dev team, but everyone knows that the system works fine as is, and that they don't need to spend valuable time to even out leveled exp zones to pamper to crying kids.
when the time comes, these areas will be updated.
until then just enjoy the scenery.
They were.But you didn't provide the information of the time you leveled
there and this just makes it a meaningless discussion.
After GoD launch, back in the first months of 2012. You may want to research when Kartia was introduced, when the PtA was updated, when the newbie guide was revamped and when the 80+ dailies were introduced.
Mine is not a discussion, just simple statements to laugh at how pampered players are nowadays.
The trains in DV with Spectral Lord and old newbie buffs <3
After GoD launch, back in the first months of 2012. You may want to research when Kartia was introduced, when the PtA was updated, when the newbie guide was revamped and when the 80+ dailies were introduced.
Mine is not a discussion, just simple statements to laugh at how pampered players are nowadays.
The trains in DV with Spectral Lord and old newbie buffs <3
Out of subject :
In almost every feedback thread,i see some of you bringing up this
argument : ''It was worse back then.There is no point for you to complain.''
This argument is totally invalid.I don't care about what happened back then.
Only the things which are in front of me at the moment matter.
It's being worse before,doesn't prove it as perfect right now.Sorry,
but just because you were acting as Pollyanna when it was even
worse,you can't think yourselves as authorized to blame everyone
who complains about the lesser problems going on at the moment.
We are all playing L2 in 2014 now and you are also calling yourselves
'' pampered '' by mistake.You are just not aware of it.
After GoD launch, back in the first months of 2012. You may want to research when Kartia was introduced, when the PtA was updated, when the newbie guide was revamped and when the 80+ dailies were introduced.
Mine is not a discussion, just simple statements to laugh at how pampered players are nowadays.
The trains in DV with Spectral Lord and old newbie buffs <3
Truly they are if you mean how easy it is to get to top lvl now. Gear wise though we fortunate ones that played pre GoD only needed a reasonably competent clan to be geared reasonably well, good clan to be geared well, top clan to be decked out and could do it solo it you were masochistic enough to do it yourself ( I was alway's in a top clan fortunately for myself ), nowaday's not so much...
For being a F2P game, sure seem's to be a lot of P2W going around now from all Iv'e been reading, not that there weren't blatant e-bayer's in my day, but most people just laughed at those who had to buy their boss jewel's or think their bright glowing new weapon was going to improve their overall skill lvl, sadly it seem's post GoD the Visa may actually be viable force to contend with~~
After GoD launch, back in the first months of 2012. You may want to research when Kartia was introduced, when the PtA was updated, when the newbie guide was revamped and when the 80+ dailies were introduced.
Mine is not a discussion, just simple statements to laugh at how pampered players are nowadays.
The trains in DV with Spectral Lord and old newbie buffs <3
Too true and they still complain. I admit being a bit spoiled when GoD launched. However I'm kind of getting used to how it is now.
you're absolutely right.
the game is too easy now if you follow the easy path.
therefore they should just nerf the easy path.
reducing all xp gained blanket across all of the good areas.
which will bring people to re-consider these other areas again.
everybody wins.
Bring back C1 XP rates and XP gained even from top mob's was capped at according to area/lvl, that way to get to 99 you would actually have to hit the same lvl IRL. o.O
Go back under your bridge, the adults are talking now.
Exactly, but he/she/it will get it sooner as the discussion goes along a few more pages without anyone quoting, responding or in anyway shape or form acknowledging his/her/its existence, then again his/her/its comprehension level might be even to small to get even such glaringly evident approach, only time and application will tell~~
Go back under your bridge, the adults are talking now.
I am quoting the person,who quoted my response.Check quotes.
I can't really understand whom you are talking to lol.
it is already balanced and you are crying for nothing
Says the one who kept crying to claim a spot to be the best among
the others of same level and now say balanced.What a pity lol ...
It's a cry for attention!!
lol
That's your job,not mine.
Exactly, but he/she/it will get it sooner as the discussion goes along a few more pages without anyone quoting, responding or in anyway shape or form acknowledging his/her/its existence, then again his/her/its comprehension level might be even to small to get even such glaringly evident approach, only time and application will tell~~
Why does L2 have such a huge map if i am to visit only a few specific
zones from 1 to 99 ?
Are ableto understand that the game is old and all these map was usefull at a time ?
Many of the l2 map have become useless when GoD have came up.
look on the web for prelude,c1,c2,c3,c4,c5,interlude,kamael,hellbound, gacia p1,gracia p2, gracia final, gracia epilogue,Fraya,High five.
The whole map was usefull for 15 up date, when GoD came up half of the map got useless but Dev are changing the map often so with time all the map will be back usefull. Atleast i hop.
Before starting area was not talking island for everyone.
The map was designed to make lvl have lvl to increase when you go far from your start village so not only talking village is like that....
Are ableto understand that the game is old and all these map was usefull at a time ?
Many of the l2 map have become useless when GoD have came up.
look on the web for prelude,c1,c2,c3,c4,c5,interlude,kamael,hellbound, gacia p1,gracia p2, gracia final, gracia epilogue,Fraya,High five.
The whole map was usefull for 15 up date, when GoD came up half of the map got useless but Dev are changing the map often so with time all the map will be back usefull. Atleast i hop.
Before starting area was not talking island for everyone.
The map was designed to make lvl have lvl to increase when you go far from your start village so not only talking village is like that....
What's the point to play a game? it doesn't benefit your health, it's not productive, screws ur eyes, and kills your brain cells and decays your social life.
What's the point to play a game? it doesn't benefit your health, it's not productive, screws ur eyes, and kills your brain cells and decays your social life.
Look, i just made playing this game useless.
You forgot makes people violent and turns children into criminals.
What's the point to play a game? it doesn't benefit your health, it's not productive, screws ur eyes, and kills your brain cells and decays your social life.
Look, i just made playing this game useless.
You expected to make this whole thread and discussions look like
unnecessary by coming up with this false imitation ?
I tell you what,it's inaccurate and irrelevant.If you still couldn't figure out
why it is inaccurate listen here :
My argument is a feedback followed by suggestions which would improve
the gameplay before awakening.
On the other hand,your imitation is just a statement written on daily
newspapers.What's more funny,you are posting it on a game forum.
It can not be considered as a feedback or suggestion,which would
improve the game.
That crap is way too simple and inaccurate and you thought it was full
of logic and would make everyone '' WHAAOOW! ''.
Sorry,i have a habit of discouraging kids who come in my threads,excited
You expected to make this whole thread and discussions look like
unnecessary by coming up with this false imitation ?
I tell you what,it's inaccurate and irrelevant.If you still couldn't figure out
why it is inaccurate listen here :
My argument is a feedback followed by suggestions which would improve
the gameplay before awakening.
On the other hand,your imitation is just a statement written on daily
newspapers.What's more funny,you are posting it on a game forum.
It can not be considered as a feedback or suggestion,which would
improve the game.
That crap is way too simple and inaccurate and you thought it was full
of logic and would make everyone '' WHAAOOW! ''.
Sorry,i have a habit of discouraging kids who come in my threads,excited
by high expectations of getting the praise.
i wish you wouldn't constantly double space every line of your posts.
how anyone has an easier time reading that wall of a post i don't know.
works great for papers because it gives room for notation.
here it just eats space.
about your thread?
somewhere along the line it became a joke.
it may have been you.
it might have been the snarky forum trolls.
it maybe has something to do with the idea and request.
it most likely has something to do with the lack of a clear point.
i wish you wouldn't constantly double space every line of your posts.
how anyone has an easier time reading that wall of a post i don't know.
works great for papers because it gives room for notation.
here it just eats space.
about your thread?
somewhere along the line it became a joke.
it may have been you.
it might have been the snarky forum trolls.
it maybe has something to do with the idea and request.
it most likely has something to do with the lack of a clear point.
If someone wants to read it,he must read it this way.If he is having so hard
time reading texts which include space between lines,he should stop reading.
You have no point or something to say here.
Just a kid having hard time reading and accusing the writer instead of
his reading skills.
Ah,if you even find a relation between a feedback about the game and
a statement about how games affect people,put the keyboard down and
Why do we have burgers, pizza, steak, lobster, cheesecake, strawberry ice cream, German chocolate cake, wine, beer and whiskey... when all we need is water and fish to fill our bellies? Why do we have cars, buses, trains and boats when a plane would get us there fastest? Why do we have so many various clothes to wear when a simple sheet would satisfy our basic needs. Why are there so many games when checkers would be enough to decide a winner and a loser.
What's the point to play a game? it doesn't benefit your health, it's not productive, screws ur eyes, and kills your brain cells and decays your social life.
Look, i just made playing this game useless.
You expected to make this whole thread and discussions look like
unnecessary by coming up with this false imitation ?
I tell you what,it's inaccurate and irrelevant.If you still couldn't figure out
why it is inaccurate listen here :
My argument is a feedback followed by suggestions which would improve
the gameplay before awakening.
On the other hand,your imitation is just a statement written on daily
newspapers.What's more funny,you are posting it on a game forum.
It can not be considered as a feedback or suggestion,which would
improve the game.
That crap is way too simple and inaccurate and you thought it was full
of logic and would make everyone '' WHAAOOW! ''.
Sorry,i have a habit of discouraging kids who come in my threads,excited
by high expectations of getting the praise.
Why do we have burgers, pizza, steak, lobster, cheesecake, strawberry ice cream, German chocolate cake, wine, beer and whiskey... when all we need is water and fish to fill our bellies? Why do we have cars, buses, trains and boats when a plane would get us there fastest? Why do we have so many various clothes to wear when a simple sheet would satisfy our basic needs. Why are there so many games when checkers would be enough to decide a winner and a loser.
If someone wants to read it,he must read it this way.
i see now.
you're a megalomaniac who does things his own way and expects the world to bow down and obey. i don't mean it's harder to read, it's just longer.
ever heard of the term TLDR?
if a post is long, people won't bother reading it.
every one of your posts qualifies.
so the only people bothering to read it are people who will most likely have spare time to troll you into insanity.
If someone wants to read it,he must read it this way.If he is having so hard
time reading texts which include space between lines,he should stop reading.
You have no point or something to say here.
Just a kid having hard time reading and accusing the writer instead of
his reading skills.
One of the basic rules of writing is to format your text properly. You're showing disrespect both to the readers and to your own text by writing in such absurd formatting.
i see now.
you're a megalomaniac who does things his own way and expects the world to bow down and obey. i don't mean it's harder to read, it's just longer.
ever heard of the term TLDR?
if a post is long, people won't bother reading it.
every one of your posts qualifies.
so the only people bothering to read it are people who will most likely have spare time to troll you into insanity.
No wonder why your texts look like a soup of words mixed in each.
One of the basic rules of writing is to format your text properly. You're showing disrespect both to the readers and to your own text by writing in such absurd formatting.
Same for this copycat.
Can't be late... I just got here and time is relative to the point of reference.
Nope,you have just repeated a duplicate comment which have already
received the required response long long ago.So you are late.
whenever i read the posts i assume he's been using a word processor.
copy/paste after all error's are corrected. maybe doesn't have a lot of time online where he can type in the forum reply section.
i've often considered doing the same when the forum would randomly log us out some time back. which did initially bring out some empathy... and sympathy for the thread.
I can't search these 10 pages of public condemnation... link to the duplicate post so I may take from thy knowledge!
i honestly don't remember reading that anywhere.
maybe he was dreaming?
i know i often find myself dreaming of DrachavonDrachen.
What's the point to play a game? it doesn't benefit your health, it's not productive, screws ur eyes, and kills your brain cells and decays your social life.
Let it be known across this forum that my post stands as an original in this thread of public statements which strongly criticizes notimetocry for his posts within as being bad and wrong in reference to our L2 map being useless.
I do not deny the truth or existence of a huge L2 map.
what is the point of teleport when i can save so much adena by running
what is the point of sit and sellshop if we have auctionhouse
what is the point of primeval isle
what is the point of 20-80 raid boss, when we have Kamaloka who gives more exp
what is the point of regular talisman, if seed talisman are so much better
what is the point to have 3 tiers of weapons each within NG, D and C grade, if clearly nobody uses them
what is the point of buffers lv 40-85, their buffs are useless
Oh
why Juji and Vali have 4 "symbols" name ?! :eek:
The Huge Useless Games.
What's the point to play a game? it doesn't benefit your health, it's not productive, screws ur eyes, and kills your brain cells and decays your social life.
Look, i just made playing this game useless.
Why do we have burgers, pizza, steak, lobster, cheesecake, strawberry ice cream, German chocolate cake, wine, beer and whiskey... when all we need is water and fish to fill our bellies? Why do we have cars, buses, trains and boats when a plane would get us there fastest? Why do we have so many various clothes to wear when a simple sheet would satisfy our basic needs. Why are there so many games when checkers would be enough to decide a winner and a loser.
Asinine question... of the decade award.
Let it be known across this forum that my post stands as an original in this thread of public statements which strongly criticizes notimetocry for his posts within as being bad and wrong in reference to our L2 map being useless.
I do not deny the truth or existence of a huge L2 map.
Yeah,yeah you are so original.How did you even come up with that ?
You have to be extremely clever to make this up.Good job.LoL.
it might not have come across as intended.
but it was a poor attempt at a joke.
you see by stating that that post was a good enough response to dracha's post... i felt that it could therefore be used as a response to any post.
if i were more persistent about it, i might have started posting it in response to everyone everywhere. but that would be lunacy.
it might not have come across as intended.
but it was a poor attempt at a joke.
you see by stating that that post was a good enough response to dracha's post... i felt that it could therefore be used as a response to any post.
if i were more persistent about it, i might have started posting it in response to everyone everywhere. but that would be lunacy.
That were ones of this most best funnierest think,i has even saw.
1: an act or instance of imitating
2: something produced as a copy : counterfeit
3: a literary work designed to reproduce the style of another author
4: the repetition by one voice of a melody, phrase, or motive stated earlier in the composition by a different voice
5: the quality of an object in possessing some of the nature or attributes of a transcendent idea
6: the assumption of behavior observed in other individuals
Examples of IMITATION
Children learn by imitation of adults.
The restaurant was designed in imitation of a Japanese temple.
He did a hilarious imitation of his father.
The real diamonds are in a museum. These are just imitations.
First Known Use of IMITATION
14th century
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Full Definition of COPYCAT
1: one who imitates or adopts the behavior or practices of another
2: an imitative act or product <copycat board games>
Examples of COPYCAT
She called me a copycat for wearing the same dress.
<every rock singer who makes it big soon has a whole cluster of copycats>
1: an act or instance of imitating
2: something produced as a copy : counterfeit
3: a literary work designed to reproduce the style of another author
4: the repetition by one voice of a melody, phrase, or motive stated earlier in the composition by a different voice
5: the quality of an object in possessing some of the nature or attributes of a transcendent idea
6: the assumption of behavior observed in other individuals
Examples of IMITATION
Children learn by imitation of adults.
The restaurant was designed in imitation of a Japanese temple.
He did a hilarious imitation of his father.
The real diamonds are in a museum. These are just imitations.
First Known Use of IMITATION
14th century
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Full Definition of COPYCAT
1: one who imitates or adopts the behavior or practices of another
2: an imitative act or product <copycat board games>
Examples of COPYCAT
She called me a copycat for wearing the same dress.
<every rock singer who makes it big soon has a whole cluster of copycats>
First Known Use of COPYCAT
1896
A poor attempt at joke by spudnik '' Why blah blah '' which was clearly
inaccurate and was ignored.
Then the same attempt with the same theme by shakazulup.Ignored.
Then the same attempt with same theme by zanerf '' Why blab blah ''
which was also inaccurate and i had to give the required response at last.
Then again,the same attempt with the same theme requiring the same
response,by drachablahblah.
Anyone else ? Who is going to ask '' Why there are jails,even if people
think they are going to pay for their crimes in afterlife ? ''
and is going to think this question is relevant to the subject and end up
with himself being praised ?
So you understand at last ?
And in the end, everyone who's not on the same terms as notimetoplaythegame, is Sace's alt account.
Starting from me.
And who's not on the same terms as tiferet1 is pampered.
What an easy way to discuss something LoL.Even if it's irrelevant you
A poor attempt at joke by spudnik '' Why blah blah '' which was clearly
inaccurate and was ignored.
Then the same attempt with the same theme by shakazulup.Ignored.
Then the same attempt with same theme by zanerf '' Why blab blah ''
which was also inaccurate and i had to give the required response at last.
Then again,the same attempt with the same theme requiring the same
response,by drachablahblah.
Anyone else ? Who is going to ask '' Why there are jails,even if people
think they are going to pay for their crimes in afterlife ? ''
and is going to think this question is relevant to the subject and end up
with himself being praised ?
So you understand at last ?
And who's not on the same terms as tiferet1 is pampered.
What an easy way to discuss something LoL.Even if it's irrelevant you
can tell everyone :
'' Who's not on the same terms as XXX is YYY. ''
'' Who's not on the same terms as AAA is BBB. ''
'' Thanks everyone,for praising me. ''
wow, okay well if your post count isn't ever over 3k then I guess your arguments are useless as well. You aren't really adding anything constructive to the community. Tif however has..way more than you are.
One of the basic rules of writing is to format your text properly. You're showing disrespect both to the readers and to your own text by writing in such absurd formatting.
We see the world from the inside out, a fact that leads everyone to be at least somewhat self-centered. The technical term for this is "egocentrism." As a cognitive bias, egocentrism refers to the natural restriction on our perception caused by the simple fact that we can only see the world from our perspective. It takes special effort to see the world from any perspective other than through our own eyes.
wow, okay well if your post count isn't ever over 3k then I guess your arguments are useless as well. You aren't really adding anything constructive to the community. Tif however has..way more than you are.
This thread isn't impressing anyone.
In almost every forum board,it's well known trolls having the most post
count.So they are the constructive ones.:D
I have just made a generalization including most of you,while i excluded
tiferet who i don't think is a troll.But,there is something here ;
In a feedback thread saying '' I used to do this ... '' and
'' Your writing format sux '' and '' Who doesn't agree with XXX are YYY
We see the world from the inside out, a fact that leads everyone to be at least somewhat self-centered. The technical term for this is "egocentrism." As a cognitive bias, egocentrism refers to the natural restriction on our perception caused by the simple fact that we can only see the world from our perspective. It takes special effort to see the world from any perspective other than through our own eyes.
Both empathy and sympathy are feelings concerning other people. Sympathy is literally 'feeling with' - compassion for or commiseration with another person. Empathy, by contrast, is literally 'feeling into' - the ability to project one's personality into another person and more fully understand that person. Sympathy derives from Latin and Greek words meaning 'having a fellow feeling'. The term empathy originated in psychology (translation of a German term, c. 1903) and has now come to mean the ability to imagine or project oneself into another person's position and experience all the sensations involved in that position. You feel empathy when you've "been there", and sympathy when you haven't. Examples: We felt sympathy for the team members who tried hard but were not appreciated. / We felt empathy for children with asthma because their parents won't remove pets from the household.
Both empathy and sympathy are feelings concerning other people. Sympathy is literally 'feeling with' - compassion for or commiseration with another person. Empathy, by contrast, is literally 'feeling into' - the ability to project one's personality into another person and more fully understand that person. Sympathy derives from Latin and Greek words meaning 'having a fellow feeling'. The term empathy originated in psychology (translation of a German term, c. 1903) and has now come to mean the ability to imagine or project oneself into another person's position and experience all the sensations involved in that position. You feel empathy when you've "been there", and sympathy when you haven't. Examples: We felt sympathy for the team members who tried hard but were not appreciated. / We felt empathy for children with asthma because their parents won't remove pets from the household.