Dear NCwest could u plz ask **** developers make enchant rates for mage weps HIGHER because its fliping INSANE to enchat those. Stupid 10 bless wep scrols 10 +20% blessed stones and NOT EVEN 1 Succeed to stupid +4 !
4 bilions adena and 6k ncoins just LIKE THAT blow up and what u get is fliping weapon +0.The only way to make +5 mage wep is +2 with giant scrol and pray for +3 add.
Dear NCwest could u plz ask **** developers make enchant rates for mage weps HIGHER because its fliping INSANE to enchat those. Stupid 10 bless wep scrols 10 +20% blessed stones and NOT EVEN 1 Succeed to stupid +4 !
4 bilions adena and 6k ncoins just LIKE THAT blow up and what u get is fliping weapon +0.The only way to make +5 mage wep is +2 with giant scrol and pray for +3 add.
THIS IS REDECOLOUS! :D
For such money u can buy more weps and use normal scrolls than blessed. Because as i know blessed scrolls has low enchant rate.
only good thing that NC soft implement
not really big fun to get 100k dmg from mage on 1200 distance with full buff/wizard/rose
idk what GM hit you my feoh lvl 99 dual lvl 99 i have 10 AP i have blessed valakas event one . Have soul AQ and wiz istina. If i managed to crit 12k on rose its a best day of my life. If someone Crit you with dark amarathine weapon +16 so maybe yah its a hard crit. But i have no doubt any other class will pwn with +16 dark amarathine weps. Alhtou to Enchant +16 MAGE WEAPON is NOT POSIBLE AT ALL ATM.
MEANWHILE you can use divine scrols to any warior weps to +12!
oOooooo some dewr and u have +15 great stuff.
Im MAGE i want EQUAL RIGHTS!
i really not know why you continue to try even after that much number of fail in stupid +4. For me personally i have 3 try to get +4 in any weapon. If fail 3 i sell weapon and save money for new who is already +4. Also never try +4 in weapon who already have sa/atribute. old good rule who save me lot of adena...
i really not know why you continue to try even after that much number of fail in stupid +4. For me personally i have 3 try to get +4 in any weapon. If fail 3 i sell weapon and save money for new who is already +4. Also never try +4 in weapon who already have sa/atribute. old good rule who save me lot of adena...
I have an +3 apo buster not blessed but with good rare augmintation wth +m.atack and when i wanted to enchant it to +4 with blessed scroll guys from clan told me better to sell the scroll because it is unreal on augmented weps to enchant. And on augmented weps with SA and atribute unreal at all. So as i understood they were right.
I have an +3 apo buster not blessed but with good rare augmintation wth +m.atack and when i wanted to enchant it to +4 with blessed scroll guys from clan told me better to sell the scroll because it is unreal on augmented weps to enchant. And on augmented weps with SA and atribute unreal at all. So as i understood they were right.
yes, i forget augment but story is same...
U guys are delusional. There is no effect on enchant rates from SA or augments. Mage weapons just have lower enchant rate 2x than warior. Thats why u can fail 10x time in a row. Those rates was set idk in C1 BECAUSE MATK was a factor. Today all things are different and MATK is NOT so effective . So wtf about those ecnhant rates. I want enchant normaly my weapon I expect for 4 bilions atleast have +6 weapon with some additional damage vs stupid stupid op P.crit damages over 60k.
Any stupid +4 dager can output 40-60 k with 100milion adena enchant scrol. And any mage with +3 weapon is a GIMP dealing maybe 12k crit at max. And to enchant +4 u need like BILIONS and BILIONS adena.
The questions is WHY IS THIS. I WANT EQUAL RIGHTS! and RATES !
thank god yuls fixed. Oh wait now daggers era. right.
This is why I am no longer a mage since pre-god....nerf after nerf after nerf....I remember a time when I had 100 magic crit rate on stormscreamer....back when damage was 4x instead of 2x too!
This is why I am no longer a mage since pre-god....nerf after nerf after nerf....I remember a time when I had 100 magic crit rate on stormscreamer....back when damage was 4x instead of 2x too!
Exactly why enchant rates was lower because m.crit damage was like 4x and now ? its nothing impresive and u have to ibvest TONS of adena to make feoh competitive toon. and TONS of adena have only 1 feoh on server. And we all know who and how. All other just dont have ANY chance to make normal toon with this stupid enchant rates not updated since C1.
Show me the Reason Why mage wep enchant rate has to be 20% ? i dont see the reason honestly. Why i can enchant bow with 50% chance ? why is this crap ?
Mages hit really hard, thats why the weapons are harder to enchant. You want everybody running around with +7-10 mage weapons 1-2 shotting people from 1200 distance ? You ever tried to pvp RiceTasteGood or TearsOfHeaven ?
Mages hit really hard, thats why the weapons are harder to enchant. You want everybody running around with +7-10 mage weapons 1-2 shotting people from 1200 distance ? You ever tried to pvp RiceTasteGood or TearsOfHeaven ?
Same as to BatRus:
So killing by one hit with a backstab in the back is fun, killing with 1-2 shots from distance with Yul is fun, killing with a mage not fun?
Now i understand if mages get m. atack yul and dagger noobs will get a competition and this is not fun, fun is to kill helpless chars.
Mages hit really hard, thats why the weapons are harder to enchant. You want everybody running around with +7-10 mage weapons 1-2 shotting people from 1200 distance ? You ever tried to pvp RiceTasteGood or TearsOfHeaven ?
That's why NCsoft should apply same rule from armor to weapons:
The more you enchant, the less chance you have to enchant further to next stage. Apply this to all weapons and no crys about it. Average player can reach +4 like any other warrior but cant overdo it to benefit beter than warriors.
Let's not forget yulls and daggers benefit from much less enchants compared to mages. So having a +4 weapon on archer/dagger is alrdy great...while on mage is meh.
Mages hit really hard, thats why the weapons are harder to enchant. You want everybody running around with +7-10 mage weapons 1-2 shotting people from 1200 distance ? You ever tried to pvp RiceTasteGood or TearsOfHeaven ?
Dude what u talking about DAgger +4 weapon hit 43k STRAIGHT to HP . when i have 35k hp with +7 SET. full atribute and 7k pdef.
MAGE HAVE TO HIT INTO CP 1st! my mage is fairly boosted. I never EVER hit more than 20k Crit. Unless someone have B grade jewels lol.
If you have ordinary isitina octavis +3 idk if some feoh will hit 40k :D dmg no mention mages never Bypass CP. So now shu to your corner and get some clue about it. I have +5 blessed 2 sa +10 skills i dont see 40k dmg.
Mage +4 hit him HARD don't joke anymore plz. or i start to post screens about dmg from and to end game players.
So when dagger will inevitably be nerfed, will you shut up?
Its not about dager its about enchant mage weapon rates. And daggers ofc will be nerfed same as was yuls. so no wories. But i want equal rights for mage wep enchant rates . Then i will shut up :D.
This thread reminded me of 24 BEWR I used up once, over period of time, in hope of getting +4 on R95 staff.
And few weeks ago I broke +9 bow, which were able to enchant with only couple ++ chance items on a first try. Same goes to 2h sword, broke only on +10.
We're getting screwed as magic users, since it takes x4 Matk to do double damage, opposite to Patk.
And now only properly aligned set of debuffs help kill end game people, who is running with epic jewelry sets and take very little damage even with +10 skills, +15 weapon and pvp items/castle buff etc.
idk what GM hit you my feoh lvl 99 dual lvl 99 i have 10 AP i have blessed valakas event one . Have soul AQ and wiz istina. If i managed to crit 12k on rose its a best day of my life. If someone Crit you with dark amarathine weapon +16 so maybe yah its a hard crit. But i have no doubt any other class will pwn with +16 dark amarathine weps. Alhtou to Enchant +16 MAGE WEAPON is NOT POSIBLE AT ALL ATM.
MEANWHILE you can use divine scrols to any warior weps to +12!
oOooooo some dewr and u have +15 great stuff.
Im MAGE i want EQUAL RIGHTS!
+16 dark pvp retributer right now in Renovatio, so its possible
So killing by one hit with a backstab in the back is fun, killing with 1-2 shots from distance with Yul is fun, killing with a mage not fun?
Now i understand if mages get m. atack yul and dagger noobs will get a competition and this is not fun, fun is to kill helpless chars.
did you read my post?
its a big difference in safe 1 hit ppl with 1200 range and 1999 cast speed and maybe 1 hit from back (that impossible vs scripted ppl and mages kill you from any side) in close range, where tank can hate you, all can cancel you and debuff and just hit you and kill
mages overpowered and only smart thing ncsoft do is that really hard to get that overpowered weapon
i cant even imagine how mages from nova will kill all around with that valakas caster, will 1 shot whole siege forces lol
If you can't kill an Othel in 2 or 3 nukes. You need to sell that bought gear and lvl. And just quit.
Again same story you cant kill somewhat what is invisible in hide because u can't target t dager ok ? .
The next thing is when dager is VISIBLE is that moment when u get 50K damage in your back. So there is NO such thing As 2 nukes. Imo you are DEAD with your +6 PVP ROBE SET.I dont speak about scripted feohs who ha ve ABS scripts and cannot be backstabed. Thats legit post :D.
And i agree 100% about this nonsence. Althou the thread is not about othel or feoh dmg. I posted about fliping Insanely LOW enchant rates for mage weapons.
did you read my post?
its a big difference in safe 1 hit ppl with 1200 range and 1999 cast speed and maybe 1 hit from back (that impossible vs scripted ppl and mages kill you from any side) in close range, where tank can hate you, all can cancel you and debuff and just hit you and kill
mages overpowered and only smart thing ncsoft do is that really hard to get that overpowered weapon
i cant even imagine how mages from nova will kill all around with that valakas caster, will 1 shot whole siege forces lol
My friend Novas mages are all overenchanted. So they kill everione now. Archers can do the same as mages but much easier to enchant them. I saw how archer killed 3 chars with one shot on CoC from long distance. Mages now are not overpowered this class is just dead.
Dear NCwest could u plz ask **** developers make enchant rates for mage weps HIGHER because its fliping INSANE to enchat those. Stupid 10 bless wep scrols 10 +20% blessed stones and NOT EVEN 1 Succeed to stupid +4 !
4 bilions adena and 6k ncoins just LIKE THAT blow up and what u get is fliping weapon +0.The only way to make +5 mage wep is +2 with giant scrol and pray for +3 add.
THIS IS REDECOLOUS! :D
I am also dealing with this absurdity... really gets to me when there are others walking around with +16 R99 mage weapons... how can this be, I can't help but thing they must be cheating.
are they +16?
or are they +12 due to red being changed.
because you can get +12 from destruction/heavenly scrolls.
16 is a bit tougher.
maybe someone cracked the success code...
similar to the way you used to be able determine success rate with some sort of log off/on at the right moment... to see if an item would be enchanted or fail.
if anyone has that info... i'd like a +16 weapon now please...
otherwise i do very little damage in pvp and it's beginning to deter me from playing.
I am also dealing with this absurdity... really gets to me when there are others walking around with +16 R99 mage weapons... how can this be, I can't help but thing they must be cheating.
+16 other mages ? i can tell u how i dont remember the day but there was a abusive encanting bug dayg ago and pplz who used it was baned items reseted i dont want to go further about this but it rly happened and i doubt if all weps was removed.
next thing there was bundle after god start 4000 ncoins x 1 destiny pack as i remember and dewr was delivered on every highest character in all 5 servers . So if u take lets say 20 of those u have 100 dewr . And im sure about success of +15 weapon.
The all thing is about today. How MAge can get +15 weapon ? High end mage . Idk he need probably own a bottrain at gainak or own aden. only that way. Just a mortals i doubt can enchant mage weapons today.
ask Ashess how many dewr and that special scroll to make it +16 it took him lolz
hint it's more then 80
Hint 5 dewr was 25$ . What we have now ? ) dewr 4bil adena only. 7 bil adena pplz ask for divine scrol . Annnndddd again divine scrol can enchant only +7 MAGE WEAPON MAX. ))) wariors can easily have +12 Red nicely shiny. Pffff. Some Mage discrimination going on for real.
+16 dark pvp retributer right now in Renovatio, so its possible
All clan was scamed at dragons for whole year to make +15 retributer and friend of clan leader got it. Yes seems posible to do it :D
M attack increase is exponential whereas P attack is additive. It has been that way since the beginning of the game. That's why the base enchant rate for mage weapons is set at ~30% and fighter weapons at ~69%. I'm unsure about the enchant rate now since NC definitely lowered all of them after the game went free to play or the GoD expansion. You just have bad luck if you truly have enchanted 10 weapons with +20% lucky stones.
M attack increase is exponential whereas P attack is additive. It has been that way since the beginning of the game. That's why the base enchant rate for mage weapons is set at ~30% and fighter weapons at ~69%. I'm unsure about the enchant rate now since NC definitely lowered all of them after the game went free to play or the GoD expansion. You just have bad luck if you truly have enchanted 10 weapons with +20% lucky stones.
Dmg formulas was changed after god. There is some limits and so on, MATK is not same .
What is important is actual dmg output/s on chars .
To have decent dmg today one need insane amounts of M.atk. And to get that M.atk today is imposible.
Meanwhile P.atk +4 is enough get rings crit.dmg and make +10 most important skills u good to go. If that not true make a tests :).
I don't need make any of them i know how things are.
To get decent feoh is insanely hard and expensive. I know free to play bla bla bla if u not pay 20k euros u stuck at suck lvl. :D But anyway maybe Developers will rethink about this enchant rates on mag weps ...
And yes i used 10 lucky high grade blessed lucky stones and all failed.Thats honestly ****** me off.And now i srly have no idea how to enchant weapon . Get another 20 bewr and 20 lucky stones ? :D and fail again ? No thx I rather will be that meat for red weapons around for this money lol.
Dmg formulas was changed after god. There is some limits and so on, MATK is not same .
What is important is actual dmg output/s on chars .
To have decent dmg today one need insane amounts of M.atk. And to get that M.atk today is imposible.
Meanwhile P.atk +4 is enough get rings crit.dmg and make +10 most important skills u good to go. If that not true make a tests :).
I don't need make any of them i know how things are.
To get decent feoh is insanely hard and expensive. I know free to play bla bla bla if u not pay 20k euros u stuck at suck lvl. :D But anyway maybe Developers will rethink about this enchant rates on mag weps ...
And yes i used 10 lucky high grade blessed lucky stones and all failed.Thats honestly ****** me off.And now i srly have no idea how to enchant weapon . Get another 20 bewr and 20 lucky stones ? :D and fail again ? No thx I rather will be that meat for red weapons around for this money lol.
That's why if you want to win in this game, you need critical rate, critical skill rate, critical damage.
thats exactly what i want to say about mage discrimination :D .
Here you have a result whats hapening in l2.
And someone argue about Patk Matk difference Whahah Here ... what can be better than this hero shout to prove my statements.
Well since Valiance Yuls disapeared aswell LOL.
What he said, you realize it's alway's been this way for mages right ? It comes with the territory, your a glass cannon, NC isn't about to allow you to be a tactical nuclear device ( although for two distinct chronicles we were exactly that, look up bubbles and anakim ) , your a mage, we have alway's had a harder time OEing our weapon's since C1 and its not going to change even if you got every Korean to cry foul, and they have 100 % better odd's than our's which is 0 % chance, of getting a change implemented in game mechanic's.
I have failed over 20+ probably closer to 30 dewr's in a row now on a pair of dualswords dated back to when first introduced...so dont just think its mage weapons that are nerfed...ncwest just trying to suck/sink all the adena out of the servers from the bots they allow to farm it.
I have failed over 20+ probably closer to 30 dewr's in a row now on a pair of dualswords dated back to when first introduced...so dont just think its mage weapons that are nerfed...ncwest just trying to suck/sink all the adena out of the servers from the bots they allow to farm it.
30 dewrs ? oO u rich man . Btw there is no more adenas :D look prices epiks are like 2 bilions ))
Dmg formulas was changed after god. There is some limits and so on, MATK is not same .
What is important is actual dmg output/s on chars .
To have decent dmg today one need insane amounts of M.atk. And to get that M.atk today is imposible.
Meanwhile P.atk +4 is enough get rings crit.dmg and make +10 most important skills u good to go. If that not true make a tests :).
I don't need make any of them i know how things are.
To get decent feoh is insanely hard and expensive. I know free to play bla bla bla if u not pay 20k euros u stuck at suck lvl. :D But anyway maybe Developers will rethink about this enchant rates on mag weps ...
And yes i used 10 lucky high grade blessed lucky stones and all failed.Thats honestly ****** me off.And now i srly have no idea how to enchant weapon . Get another 20 bewr and 20 lucky stones ? :D and fail again ? No thx I rather will be that meat for red weapons around for this money lol.
lf same patk buff scroll as a + 80% matk..
and i know another person who did +13 r99 retributer few days ago
There are lots of +4 R99 mage weapons in AH; they are dirt cheap (some are around 3 billion).
What's wrong with you people? :(
Stop wasting your scrolls (since they'll keep failing anyways) and go buy them now!!!
I explain u now so maybe u will understand.
I speak about BLESSED MAGE WEAPS. THERE ARE 0 Of +4 in AH . Event if there was Since every decent mage want enchant his blessed weapon to ATLEAST +12 AT BEST +16 HOW TO DO THIS ? :D
I speak about BLESSED MAGE WEAPS. THERE ARE 0 Of +4 in AH . Event if there was Since every decent mage want enchant his blessed weapon to ATLEAST +12 AT BEST +16 HOW TO DO THIS ?
But why?
Look at me, I'm happy with my regular +4 Specter retributer (1SA), I can kill mobs with it just fine.
Moreover, I'm not 99, no epics; ranked #6 Feoh Soultaker on Chronos last month.
Not long ago, I won in Oly from a lvl99 mage who had a +12 (or so) R99 weapon. Do you really need to have the same weapon as that guy, to feel strong? ;)
Look at me, I'm happy with my regular +4 Specter retributer (1SA), I can kill mobs with it just fine.
Moreover, I'm not 99, no epics; ranked #6 Feoh Soultaker on Chronos last month.
Not long ago, I won in Oly from a lvl99 mage who had a +12 (or so) R99 weapon. Do you really need to have the same weapon as that guy, to feel strong? ;)
#6 Feoh Its not good enough. even #2 is not good enough
This is why I am no longer a mage since pre-god....nerf after nerf after nerf....I remember a time when I had 100 magic crit rate on stormscreamer....back when damage was 4x instead of 2x too!
I may or may not have BR + Mage Herb + Wizard spirit active :D
And ? what u have here ? 400% herb ? with all this numbers u will deal like 6k damage to me at maximum. and dude i seen 2 milions matk on stormscreamers . ur matk actualy sux at all. and this crit rate oO Op. U dont even deserve a name of dark wizzards )
And ? what u have here ? 400% herb ? with all this numbers u will deal like 6k damage to me at maximum. and dude i seen 2 milions matk on stormscreamers . ur matk actualy sux at all.
I would say I clearly stated I have mage herb on... And to be honest my reply was more of a drive by high 5 to an old friend in game...
If anything sux it is your attitude as well as your broken engrish insult to me.
What can I say? I still am and will always be a legit player who uses my hands.... and you?
I would say I clearly stated I have mage herb on... And to be honest my reply was more of a drive by high 5 to an old friend in game...
If anything sux it is your attitude as well as your broken engrish insult to me.
What can I say? I still am and will always be a legit player who uses my hands.... and you?
If i was bot train owner i wouldnt ask to increase mage weapon enchant rates. Imo i would have enough money to buy 100 dewr.
And engrish is my 4th language. Im not trying insult anyone i just say that dark elf feoh with 200k matk sux . thats all . Is that insulting? Its a fact and i told u about it. or i should say "WoW amazing your feoh so cool " it would be obvious lie. Or u want that pplz lie to u ? .
Meaning you got 60% chance for 3+, 25% for 4+, 15% for 5+.
Or 40% chance to get higher than 3+, about the rate for "physical" weapons (50%).
Edit: Forgot to say, did you seriously spend 10 bewr and 10 lucky stones, and not a single GEWR?!?!
Some people really need someone else to manage their economy.
Meaning you got 60% chance for 3+, 25% for 4+, 15% for 5+.
Or 40% chance to get higher than 3+, about the rate for "physical" weapons (50%).
Edit: Forgot to say, did you seriously spend 10 bewr and 10 lucky stones, and not a single GEWR?!?!
Some people really need someone else to manage their economy.
oO some pplz need same enchant rates as warior weapons have. Thats all i need. i want 100% red weapon aswell for example. Like any warrior weapon can be made now with crystal scrols. Why i cant have red shiny nicely weapon ? Just because im wizard ? wtf.
P.S wanna see how u make that with Giants scrols :D yes i know if i use giant i end up with nicely +5 . But its NOT good enough. And you can add +7 with crystal and thats again tons of money. +7 mage will cost ya 14 bilions . +9 warior are enchantable with ordinary scrols and high grade stones easily. I bet for 14 bilions u will make even +10 bow . And +12 oh well 2x crystal scrols GG here u are u have red one.
oO some pplz need same enchant rates as warior weapons have. Thats all i need. i want 100% red weapon aswell for example. Like any warrior weapon can be made now with crystal scrols. Why i cant have red shiny nicely weapon ? Just because im wizard ? wtf.
P.S wanna see how u make that with Giants scrols :D yes i know if i use giant i end up with nicely +5 . But its NOT good enough. And you can add +7 with crystal and thats again tons of money. +7 mage will cost ya 14 bilions . +9 warior are enchantable with ordinary scrols and high grade stones easily. I bet for 14 bilions u will make even +10 bow . And +12 oh well 2x crystal scrols GG here u are u have red one.
Oh, you can have it, you just have to spend a alot of adena on it, mage weapon enchant gives you better stats than physical weapons, hence the lower enchant rate.
Or wait, did you think red actually gives a boost, other than the p/m. atk? :rolleyes:
And since OP was about 4+, i said that about gewr, didnt mean anything higher.
And 14b for 10+?
Prices for bewr+blessed stone (best, 20%) in magmeld = 250kk total (if being realistic, 300kk probably).
Enchant rate is 50% and 30% according to innova, lets use these numbers.
0.5*1.2=0.60
0.3*1.2=0.36
0.6^4*0.36^3 = 0.006~ success rate, meaning 0.006%~ to go from 3+ to 10+, or in attempts = 166~
Oh, you can have it, you just have to spend a alot of adena on it, mage weapon enchant gives you better stats than physical weapons, hence the lower enchant rate.
Or wait, did you think red actually gives a boost, other than the p/m. atk? :rolleyes:
And since OP was about 4+, i said that about gewr, didnt mean anything higher.
And 14b for 10+?
Prices for bewr+blessed stone (best, 20%) in magmeld = 250kk total (if being realistic, 300kk probably).
Enchant rate is 50% and 30% according to innova, lets use these numbers.
0.5*1.2=0.60
0.3*1.2=0.36
0.6^4*0.36^3 = 0.006~ success rate, meaning 0.006%~ to go from 3+ to 10+, or in attempts = 166~
Meaning in adena = ~42b
m8 i don't want to be rude but i made bow +9 with normal enchant scrols +10 1 dewr. And i would like to put ur numbers and 42b straight to ur **** together with that +10 bow. Because i spent for it about 4 bilions just for that dewr.
Mage enchants do not give anything better than patk because daggers hit 40k with +4 mages hit 12k with +4 . or u want show me your numbers again? then show me.Go take mage and take Tyr for example or dager or youl And show me . Do armor +4 and jewels +4 those octavis istina jewels . Every newbie have those now. Go show me M.atk and P.atk damages. i want see your numbers.
m8 i don't want to be rude but i made bow +9 with normal enchant scrols +10 1 dewr. And i would like to put ur numbers and 42b straight to ur **** together with that +10 bow. Because i spent for it about 4 bilions just for that dewr.
Mage enchants do not give anything better than patk because daggers hit 40k with +4 mages hit 12k with +4 . or u want show me your numbers again? then show me.Go take mage and take Tyr for example or dager or youl And show me . Do armor +4 and jewels +4 those octavis istina jewels . Every newbie have those now. Go show me M.atk and P.atk damages. i want see your numbers.
Wait, you got lucky?
Stop the presses!
Since you didnt fail a single enchant, it must mean enchant rate is 100% to 10+! why waste a dewr? 10+ for less than 100kk with normal scrolls!
(Pro tip, that calculation is "In theory", since you cant be 100% sure, but that is more accurate than your 14b ********, you're lucky if you get a 8+ with that)
And are you kidding?
Comparing othell with feoh damage? (I should make a QQ post and say my bow needs more p atk cause othell crits hard even with a s80 grade dagger :'( )
You're one special kind of idiot.
Please do, make a feoh and yul, both 85, both with awakening gear, now compare their damage.
After that, compare their skills.
You're obviously one of those idiotic feohs that just stands still, /nexttarget and F1F2F3F4F5, then cry when you die.
(If you're gonna say "every noob have istina octavis", better give your feoh a 6+ set aswell consider they are about the same price as a single jewelry)
I will now leave this thread, since arguing with an idiotic BR like yourself is a waste of time.
Wait, you got lucky?
Stop the presses!
Since you didnt fail a single enchant, it must mean enchant rate is 100% to 10+! why waste a dewr? 10+ for less than 100kk with normal scrolls!
(Pro tip, that calculation is "In theory", since you cant be 100% sure, but that is more accurate than your 14b ********, you're lucky if you get a 8+ with that)
And are you kidding?
Comparing othell with feoh damage? (I should make a QQ post and say my bow needs more p atk cause othell crits hard even with a s80 grade dagger :'( )
You're one special kind of idiot.
Please do, make a feoh and yul, both 85, both with awakening gear, now compare their damage.
After that, compare their skills.
You're obviously one of those idiotic feohs that just stands still, /nexttarget and F1F2F3F4F5, then cry when you die.
(If you're gonna say "every noob have istina octavis", better give your feoh a 6+ set aswell consider they are about the same price as a single jewelry)
I will now leave this thread, since arguing with an idiotic BR like yourself is a waste of time.
Who BR ? YOu ? i was witnesing pvp 1v2 bunnypawns (DAGGER +7 dark shaper) vs Exeqtor +16 dark amarathine +8 set full epics i mean this feoh IS FULL GEARED anf full Skills and + MOST SCRIPTED feoh on NAIA .
HE HAD HEALER IN PIECE ZONE who was healing him constantly . GUESS WHO WON 1:0 ?????????????????????
i give u tip +7 DAGER .
SO now YOU PIECE OF CRAP WHo call ME BR go to start menu then COntroll pannel Proggrams and UNINSTALL L2 OKAY ? Before u start to state SOME fliping NONSENCE about feohs and dagers damages.
If fiping +16 dark amarathine isn't able to kill some stupid +6 jewelry and he 1 shot fliping +8 robe Then Yahhhh P.atk is Useless M.atk is Overpovered . Now SHUsh from topic to your low 8 lvl clan and stay there. because u have NO CLUE whats going on on High end lvls with your PRO MATHS.
Jacky your logic is kinda bad. People use statistical measurements to factor out the PROBABLE costs and PROBABLE outcomes of enchanting. These aren't actual numbers like 42b. If you're really unlucky you could blow like 100b on trying to get 12+ or get lucky and only spend 1b on 10+. Probability is the key word here, the people here are just telling you that there is a % CHANCE for an outcome to occur.
These are chances we're dealing with and not certainties.
I do agree with you though on raising the enchant success level, well at least for 4+ so mages can enjoy the 4+ benefits as much as fighters do, though afterward, the numbers should go lower since we could have tactical nukes like RiceTastesGood who oneshots me with a whoopin 80k damage to the face.
Jacky your logic is kinda bad. People use statistical measurements to factor out the PROBABLE costs and PROBABLE outcomes of enchanting. These aren't actual numbers like 42b. If you're really unlucky you could blow like 100b on trying to get 12+ or get lucky and only spend 1b on 10+. Probability is the key word here, the people here are just telling you that there is a % CHANCE for an outcome to occur.
These are chances we're dealing with and not certainties.
I do agree with you though on raising the enchant success level, well at least for 4+ so mages can enjoy the 4+ benefits as much as fighters do, though afterward, the numbers should go lower since we could have tactical nukes like RiceTastesGood who oneshots me with a whoopin 80k damage to the face.
i bet u compared amazingly geared toon with +3 low lvl toon.
I undertand what he try to say.
But also plz read what i want to say! And things are not in theorethical numbers . I speak about practice and facts.And im not only 1 feoh who cry about mage weapon enchant rates. There is more topics where many mages disapointed wasting bless scrols trying to make +4. Im the one who will DEMAND **** CHANGES about it ! :)
Who BR ? YOu ? i was witnesing pvp 1v2 bunnypawns (DAGGER +7 dark shaper) vs Exeqtor +16 dark amarathine +8 set full epics i mean this feoh IS FULL GEARED anf full Skills and + MOST SCRIPTED feoh on NAIA .
HE HAD HEALER IN PIECE ZONE who was healing him constantly . GUESS WHO WON 1:0 ?????????????????????
i give u tip +7 DAGER .
SO now YOU PIECE OF CRAP WHo call ME BR go to start menu then COntroll pannel Proggrams and UNINSTALL L2 OKAY ? Before u start to state SOME fliping NONSENCE about feohs and dagers damages.
If fiping +16 dark amarathine isn't able to kill some stupid +6 jewelry and he 1 shot fliping +8 robe Then Yahhhh P.atk is Useless M.atk is Overpovered . Now SHUsh from topic to your low 8 lvl clan and stay there. because u have NO CLUE whats going on on High end lvls with your PRO MATHS.
Again, go check your feohs damage vs an equally geared yul, who will do the most damage?
And i already said you cant compare othell damage, whats so hard to understand?
Your comparison is invalid aswell, considering daggers can one hit pretty much any feoh.. so.. are you saying you want a 10x higher enchant rate to get a +30 weapon to compete? i really dont see your logic here, why even mention this fight?
And i whoop your *** in my lvl 8 clan. :) enjoy being a one shot.
i bet u compared amazingly geared toon with +3 low lvl toon.
I undertand what he try to say.
But also plz read what i want to say! And things are not in theorethical numbers . I speak about practice and facts.And im not only 1 feoh who cry about mage weapon enchant rates. There is more topics where many mages disapointed wasting bless scrols trying to make +4. Im the one who will DEMAND **** CHANGES about it ! :)
Like I said, I think they should increase success rates to a certain threshold and then make success rates lower. I got pwned by RiceTastesGood. Rice, a script user, manages to somehow autolock the daggers before they can even Shadow Chase to him and land their combo. I think the lowered chances on successful enchants on mage weapons is very important to curb the stupidly overpowered script users like Rice, but for normal mage users like you Jacky and me...getting to 4+ with the current rates are absolutely ridiculous.
i bet u compared amazingly geared toon with +3 low lvl toon.
I undertand what he try to say.
But also plz read what i want to say! And things are not in theorethical numbers . I speak about practice and facts.And im not only 1 feoh who cry about mage weapon enchant rates. There is more topics where many mages disapointed wasting bless scrols trying to make +4. Im the one who will DEMAND **** CHANGES about it ! :)
I used about 60 bewr and not a single weapon went over +6 on melee weapons and that doesn't include all of the regular ewr I used on bound weapons either.
I used about 60 bewr and not a single weapon went over +6 on melee weapons and that doesn't include all of the regular ewr I used on bound weapons either.
Well, I'll see what my stats are if/when I reach lvl 99....but I am only lvl 92 atm.... and I'm not sure who you are referring to about crying in pvp.....
I kill some people on occasion, but generally get mowed down during pvp... no tears shed... I knew this was a pvp game since I played open beta when most of you were still teething on sweet biscuits.
11x failed to enchant mage weapon to +4 in row.... so better delete +4 bonuses (coz we all know you never change enchant rate) from mage weapons coz you only lure ppl to waste money in desperate fight
11x failed to enchant mage weapon to +4 in row.... so better delete +4 bonuses (coz we all know you never change enchant rate) from mage weapons coz you only lure ppl to waste money in desperate fight
11x failed to enchant mage weapon to +4 in row.... so better delete +4 bonuses (coz we all know you never change enchant rate) from mage weapons coz you only lure ppl to waste money in desperate fight
I enchanted my friend's weapon to +4 first try. Although he quit game several years ago after failing a flaming dragon skull.
I'm not convinced that mage OEs are more valuable to mages than physical OEs are to everyone else.
The specific reason is that the magic attack of the weapon gets square rooted, meaning the value of the next OE is less valuable than the previous OE, and this value falls faster than if magic attack wasn't square rooted. Physical damage does not use a square root in its formula and is therefore an OE to a physical damage dealer is not less valuable than a OE to a mage. If anything its the otherway around. An OE is more valuable to a physical damage dealer than an OE is to a mage and yet mages face a lower OE success rate why? Because NC hates mages, they always have.
I know the counterargument is going to be that a 5% increase in p attack doesn't increase physical skill damage by 5%, which is true, however it does increase a component of physical skill damage by 5% and that increase produce a linear increase in regards to the final damage. The component of physical skill damage that is increased by physical p attack gets increased linearly.
I'm not convinced that mage OEs are more valuable to mages than physical OEs are to everyone else.
The specific reason is that the magic attack of the weapon gets square rooted, meaning the value of the next OE is less valuable than the previous OE, and this value falls faster than if magic attack wasn't square rooted. Physical damage does not use a square root in its formula and is therefore an OE to a physical damage dealer is not less valuable than a OE to a mage. If anything its the otherway around. An OE is more valuable to a physical damage dealer than an OE is to a mage and yet mages face a lower OE success rate why? Because NC hates mages, they always have.
I know the counterargument is going to be that a 5% increase in p attack doesn't increase physical skill damage by 5%, which is true, however it does increase a component of physical skill damage by 5% and that increase produce a linear increase in regards to the final damage. The component of physical skill damage that is increased by physical p attack gets increased linearly.
Getting hit be a mage for 90k dmg counts on this discussions?
Both lvl 99, me as tank with 8k m.def.
Don't care too much about dmg formulas (more focus to enjoy the game and clan), but as tank I do normal dmg like 800 and all of the sudden I see a burst dmg of 14k; this is on the same mob (PVE) and with same buffs. Tauti weapon give this effect or is just my broken tank dmg formulas?
As mage to hit max 12-14k on crit, then you are below medium player. Mages can hit hard and if a tank can't resist them...then none else can do.
So pretty much Linear vs Exponential.
No not exponential, the opposite in fact, logarithmic.
No mage has ever crit harder than 20k on me at an equal level, even those with bright red weapons, but then I am a mage and wear robes so have reasonable mdef. I rarely crit harder than that even on physical classes but I only have a +4 weapon. Archers with +4 bows crit on me for 40-50k a lot, though less in Valiance than before.
@Phxy Mages are probably the best class for taking down a tank. If tanks have a real weakness it's magic damage. Healers and mages laugh off mage damage a lot easier than tanks do.
No not exponential, the opposite in fact, logarithmic.
No mage has ever crit harder than 20k on me at an equal level, even those with bright red weapons, but then I am a mage and wear robes so have reasonable mdef. I rarely crit harder than that even on physical classes but I only have a +4 weapon. Archers with +4 bows crit on me for 40-50k a lot, though less in Valiance than before.
@Phxy Mages are probably the best class for taking down a tank. If tanks have a real weakness it's magic damage. Healers and mages laugh off mage damage a lot easier than tanks do.
Which would make sense if there were an equal number of rock, paper and scissor throwers. But there isn't, not even close really.
And tanks hit my Mage like a brick while I only hit back with a pee so small even a princess couldn't feel it, which actually makes sense given that tanks gain linear improvements from OEing their one handed weapons that have a higher OE success rate than my magic weapons which only gives me a logarithmic benefit. The only class I've been able to kill with any regularity is Isses, but who isn't?