Helloj all,
Short story: Only thing I have problem with in pvp is daggers, what to do to counter them the best way? armor, dyes etc.
I currently have like 40k HP with rose buff on but the daggers just hit to hard, healing goes ok untill they crit me and Im down as it just a 1hit. I know daggers are OP atm but instead of focusing that they are beasts in pvp what should one do to stay alive longer?
Atm i do not have problem with daggers in pvp tbh. If we talk about normal pvp - you need watch your screen and when you see that dagger is on you, you can pop up your giants favor or crystal regeneration. Also if you call for skills in pt, tank can always use noble sacrifise on you.
I play in robe set + con dye + healt weapon + wizzard harmony and i'm fine.
Atm i do not have problem with daggers in pvp tbh. If we talk about normal pvp - you need watch your screen and when you see that dagger is on you, you can pop up your giants favor or crystal regeneration. Also if you call for skills in pt, tank can always use noble sacrifise on you.
I play in robe set + con dye + healt weapon + wizzard harmony and i'm fine.
This Hp is the only thing that can make u stay alive after daggers attacks. Still didnt see dagger that can 1 shot me. Imoh HP is the way to go. :)
Atm i do not have problem with daggers in pvp tbh. If we talk about normal pvp - you need watch your screen and when you see that dagger is on you, you can pop up your giants favor or crystal regeneration. Also if you call for skills in pt, tank can always use noble sacrifise on you.
I play in robe set + con dye + healt weapon + wizzard harmony and i'm fine.
Yeah but your'e in SH and the difference in HP, his with rose, your's without makes it fairly obvious your a end game healer and he isn't yet. So I assume he's asking is there anything he can do about it while waiting for his 16 AP, + 6 or better end game robe set and maybe dye's, or is he **** out of luck ?
I have 6 AP and i do not have anything what he can't have too. The fact i'm in SH has nothing to do with my armor or weapon. My set is not even +6 or full +4 lol so your comment is pointless.
I have 6 AP and i do not have anything what he can't have too. The fact i'm in SH has nothing to do with my armor or weapon. My set is not even +6 or full +4 lol so your comment is pointless.
Let me phrase this so you will better understand my point. What would be your advice to up and coming healer's that say maybe aren't 99, or have 0 AP, don't have great gear ( don't tell me you have sub par gear, maybe I was wrong about the +'s, but I doubt it's sub par ) or maybe don't have the adena for their dye's yet. You know simple advice on the question without assuming the player has what you have so you don't come off as arrogant. And if it's pointless without the above, then explain that and the order he should go about obtaining that in order of magnitude. Not trying to p1ss in your cherrio's, just curious if you have advice for the up and coming. As I said from both statement's, him 40k HP with rose, you 46k without, there's something off. Be it dye's, health weapon, level, something is different. All you really told him was you have 46k without rose, does that sound like advice for his question ? Or arrogance ?
Not trying to rail on you, you are one of the few in SH that post without blinder's on, along with a few other's which I already told Draecke. You actually take the time to make real post's not just random rhetoric.
What i have: lvl 99 with 95 lvl sub, HP toogle give around 1,4k HP, also i have dual skill +% HP, i have dye +CON (not legendary, common dyes what gives +4 CON, my set have two blessed parts, rest is normal (not even +4 as i said coz i fail every enchant even with blessed stone. And on +3 there is almost no bonus from blessed), my weapon for pvp is just requiem sword, all my AP are + con, also aria braceleg is con, i suppose about using stew there is nothing to say. Also passive robe mastery +10 is necessary. Also i have Rudolph agation, which is necessary when i play with health weapon.
As you can see i have nothing special.
If he is not 99, well i would say - good luck because nowadays it's AP what will help you survive. Daggers can one shot you with minimal eqp for healers it's more difficult. But he can try also HP setup or try play in heavy set and knight harmony. More important in pvp is watch who attack you as i said. It's easy drop dagger specialy if you have mage with snare, so just focus on him. Sad fact is that if enemies have more than one or two daggers, nothing will help you.
I really think the most important thing is - everyone in party must know what do to. If you waste all your deffensive skill from the start, when it's not necessary, then you deserve die. People need to learn when use rhapsody (your enemies still have up party rescue, so it's not good idea use rhapso), also if you are not getting dmg there is no point for celestial or party UD, ress only with purge, do not use your own deff skills when no one attack you etc.
I'm not full AP, my set is +4 and I've 56k HP w/o rose
@Leonidar: (http://boards.lineage2.com/member.php?u=89183) Try buy epics with resist/attack stun, and c.dmg, r-grades 2 SA > S80, single vs dual dagger is ur choice, it's don't do much difference, also if u can, use +10 str +5 dex, deal is 120+ str and 70+ dex in ur status, I use +10 dex +3 str coz I'm poor :(
from this post, we can infer that you aint only poor, as you clearly said, but that you cant even understand another language other than hu3 hu3 hu3, aswell...
total lack of correlation, at its best!
at least you rushed in time to ding another post count :o
I'm not full AP, my set is +4 and I've 56k HP w/o rose
@Leonidar: (http://boards.lineage2.com/member.php?u=89183) Try buy epics with resist/attack stun, and c.dmg, r-grades 2 SA > S80, single vs dual dagger is ur choice, it's don't do much difference, also if u can, use +10 str +5 dex, deal is 120+ str and 70+ dex in ur status, I use +10 dex +3 str coz I'm poor :(
The OP is a healer, he doesn't give a **** about your stuff. He wants to know how to counter daggers, not how to gear up one...
Speaking of which, hot to counter Shadow Chase? 99% of the time I get chainstunned by it and can't even cast Crystal Regeneration before I stare at myself being dead. HP don't count much if you get Shadow Chase - Blood Stab from 3 daggers popped out of thin air...
The OP is a healer, he doesn't give a **** about your stuff. He wants to know how to counter daggers, not how to gear up one...
Speaking of which, hot to counter Shadow Chase? 99% of the time I get chainstunned by it and can't even cast Crystal Regeneration before I stare at myself being dead. HP don't count much if you get Shadow Chase - Blood Stab from 3 daggers popped out of thin air...
The answer is in your quote.
Stun resist jewels.
As a healer with no access to epics, one should try to get atleast coc jewels, with resists against stuff that can immobilize you, aka stun/yoke.
Fear dont seem to land much, and root isnt really a problem either.
Sorry to say but when you say: he don't give a **** about gear, he just want know how survive - it's just a ********. You need some gear and you can count as gear dyes and stuff.
Also i do believe people who want pvp need to have at least basic sense about their class in pvp. So if you go for example pvp with one healer with not top gear against party with two healers, well , gl then.
Sorry to say but when you say: he don't give a **** about gear, he just want know how survive - it's just a ********. You need some gear and you can count as gear dyes and stuff.
Tell me how DEX dyes and dual daggers are useful on a healer? That guy is a dagger and is giving advices on how to equip a dagger. That's pretty far from the topic at hand...
Stun resist jewels.
As a healer with no access to epics, one should try to get atleast coc jewels, with resists against stuff that can immobilize you, aka stun/yoke.
Okay mister, you can retake your Nova guys to Chronos then, because of them I can't even register to CoC anymore. And I was even halfway to get my hands on a stun earring.
about the shadow chase skill, isnt it changed to be 100% land rate since Valiance did its début?
So even if you wear that stun resist earring from CoC (resist chance), and your dagger enemy also wears one (land rate chance), then you'r already screwed since the start on a win/win scenario (for the dagger's side), nope?
about the shadow chase skill, isnt it changed to be 100% land rate since Valiance did its début?
So even if you wear that stun resist earring from CoC (resist chance), and your dagger enemy also wears one (land rate chance), then you'r already screwed since the start on a win/win scenario (for the dagger's side), nope?
Dont land 100%. Not even on full geared daggers. A good trick is try to "kite" with kite i mean dont stay like statues on 1 spot. Moving around will help u more than what u can even imagine. I see several healers having that problem. They stay in 1 point dont even moving. Guess they got root:D
Okay mister, you can retake your Nova guys to Chronos then, because of them I can't even register to CoC anymore. And I was even halfway to get my hands on a stun earring.
Apparently wasnt Nova botting CoC, they are on Naia now. You can thank another clan I guess.
Wonder who ppl will cry about now, when the big bad wolf aint around no more.
As for getting the rings, I've done CoC a total of 1 time (mostly to see what it was like), yet I still own 8 top grade accessories.
@Tiferet1, yeah, I also forgot about the resist of saha buff. either way, you lose the counterpart from iss buffs, the one that increase resist for bleed. :(
just curious: any 99 healer felt an increase of the chance to reflect debuffs from Superior Mind Resistance, specially when max oe? sometimes I just wish this passive skill would work a bit more often...
^ I was talking a bit more wide about the bleed resist. For pvp its useless (a debuff, not a mesmerize like stun), but some new RB tends to spam some type of bleed debuff, and it's kinda annoying - it ticks the hp down too fast!
well, I always buff resist of saha when the Iss is done with the buff round, so... ^^
What i have: lvl 99 with 95 lvl sub, HP toogle give around 1,4k HP, also i have dual skill +% HP, i have dye +CON (not legendary, common dyes what gives +4 CON, my set have two blessed parts, rest is normal (not even +4 as i said coz i fail every enchant even with blessed stone. And on +3 there is almost no bonus from blessed), my weapon for pvp is just requiem sword, all my AP are + con, also aria braceleg is con, i suppose about using stew there is nothing to say. Also passive robe mastery +10 is necessary. Also i have Rudolph agation, which is necessary when i play with health weapon.
As you can see i have nothing special.
If he is not 99, well i would say - good luck because nowadays it's AP what will help you survive. Daggers can one shot you with minimal eqp for healers it's more difficult. But he can try also HP setup or try play in heavy set and knight harmony. More important in pvp is watch who attack you as i said. It's easy drop dagger specialy if you have mage with snare, so just focus on him. Sad fact is that if enemies have more than one or two daggers, nothing will help you.
I really think the most important thing is - everyone in party must know what do to. If you waste all your deffensive skill from the start, when it's not necessary, then you deserve die. People need to learn when use rhapsody (your enemies still have up party rescue, so it's not good idea use rhapso), also if you are not getting dmg there is no point for celestial or party UD, ress only with purge, do not use your own deff skills when no one attack you etc.
TY, that's all I was asking you to do. :D
See how much farther the discussion went this way ? :cool:
Okay mister, you can retake your Nova guys to Chronos then, because of them I can't even register to CoC anymore. And I was even halfway to get my hands on a stun earring.
I really doubt you can blame Nova for this seeing as every server is having the same issue and even Nova is complaining about it Tif. I think the RMT trader's are just going into high gear for profit now that drop's have been nerfed. I could be mistaken but that's the take I have on the issue.
Thanks for all the info, and yea i'm only 98 but that still mean I want tips for lvl 99, gear, epics and AP :)
Im gearing on HP setup as we speak so thanks for any advice, have health wep with passive reflect atm and also got +3 CON accessory now..
Curios if I should change my last +5 WIT to CON as well its currently +10 CON, Im a LE so i have a good base on Cast speed, just dont wanna lower the critrate to much.
The OP is a healer, he doesn't give a **** about your stuff. He wants to know how to counter daggers, not how to gear up one...
Speaking of which, hot to counter Shadow Chase? 99% of the time I get chainstunned by it and can't even cast Crystal Regeneration before I stare at myself being dead. HP don't count much if you get Shadow Chase - Blood Stab from 3 daggers popped out of thin air...
My fault, I think he was saying dagger vs dagger :S
Speaking of which, hot to counter Shadow Chase? 99% of the time I get chainstunned by it and can't even cast Crystal Regeneration before I stare at myself being dead. HP don't count much if you get Shadow Chase - Blood Stab from 3 daggers popped out of thin air...
Got tired of this as well, so i changed My raceskill from despiration to the human skill that remove stun. saved My life many times since then.
For a lvl 98 the best resist is bsoe / pr.
I see healers with +6 dark robe set, they are immortals.
When you beat 99 put +6 ap in hp, +15 con, +3 con aria bracelet, +3 con acessory, istina necklace, istina earring, blessed zaken and start build of dark set. Pvp belt pvp defense, p2w shirt, seven signs talisman from hero coin can be usefull.
For a lvl 98 the best resist is bsoe / pr.
I see healers with +6 dark robe set, they are immortals.
When you beat 99 put +6 ap in hp, +15 con, +3 con aria bracelet, +3 con acessory, istina necklace, istina earring, blessed zaken and start build of dark set. Pvp belt pvp defense, p2w shirt, seven signs talisman from hero coin can be usefull.
Well thats the best defence for any lvl if you dont wanna die :)
And most people I pvp dont have darksets or darkweapon
Well thats the best defence for any lvl if you dont wanna die :)
And most people I pvp dont have darksets or darkweapon
Well, a healer that isnt 99 will have a pretty hard time against WHATEVER class that is 99+, not only against daggers. Then, be prepared to die multiples times and hope your pt members bring some bress'es to please you.
Also, I think going hardcore isnt the way: or +10 CON dyes/CON Bracelet/Health Weap or +15 CON dyes/WIT Bracelet/Acumen Weap.
Again, I still dunno if getting away of all that WIT possibilties would be a good thing - sometimes that m. critical on heals can be the thin line between being dead or alive.
Of course, yes, I'm a pretty random, and you, are you so bored ingame that you need to take all your time to stalk me? I hope you dont find my irl address, or I'll have to call the cops to the kiki (http://youtu.be/eGCD4xb-Tr8) party.
I didnt log to play my main character for over 3 months till now, so now come, take a seat and go figure how a f.ck.ing addicted attentionwh@re you r making of yourself.
Interesting that a) healers using heavy to counter the high dmg in pvp, then NC nerfed Frantic Healing to the point that it's now an useless skill in the chart; b) tank, tyrrs and their dogs were crying that healers were managing to achieve more pdef than them even with their masteries, along with all DDs crying they couldnt beat healers down due too many protective tools, then NC almost made heavy set useless for healers now while giving a huge boost introducing AP (what means, DDs will hit even harder than before, pdef for everybody).
Now I wonder how much time till someone start to cry that now hearlers have almost HP on par with classes like tyrr/tank, almost same pdef to then NC bring a new nerf twist.
Is only me, or seems we are playing a particular factoid of Lineage 2: Healers Against All Odds?
Apparently wasnt Nova botting CoC, they are on Naia now. You can thank another clan I guess.
I am on Naia Smittie, that's why I can't join CoC anymore and can't buy **** from AH ;)
@Tiferet1, yeah, I also forgot about the resist of saha buff. either way, you lose the counterpart from iss buffs, the one that increase resist for bleed. :(
just curious: any 99 healer felt an increase of the chance to reflect debuffs from Superior Mind Resistance, specially when max oe? sometimes I just wish this passive skill would work a bit more often...
Reflect chance is 10% doesn't matter OE.
Of course, yes, I'm a pretty random, and you, are you so bored ingame that you need to take all your time to stalk me? I hope you dont find my irl address, or I'll have to call the cops to the kiki (http://youtu.be/eGCD4xb-Tr8) party.
I didnt log to play my main character for over 3 months till now, so now come, take a seat and go figure how a f.ck.ing addicted attentionwh@re you r making of yourself.